Rosary for Protestants

[spl_cadet]

Since I know that many Protestants object to the Rosary because it's mainly prayers to Mary, here's a version of the Rosary for them.
And for those who might object to repetitous prayer, think of it as one giant prayer (which is the way I and most Catholics think of it anyway). Like the Psalms, where the antiphon repeats, some of the prayers repeat here.

The Jesus Prayer
O my Divine Savior, transform me into yourself. May my hands be the hands of Jesus. May my tongue be the tongue of Jesus, Grant that every faculty of my body may serve only to glorify you. Above all, transform my soul and all its powers, that my memory, my will and my affections may be the memory, the will and the affections of Jesus. I pray you to destroy in me all that is not you. Grant that I may live but in you and for you,
and that I may truly say with St. Paul: "I live, now not I, but Christ lives in me" (Gal 2:20).

Our Father
Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen

Kyrie Eleison (Lord have mercy)
Christe Eleison (Christ have mercy)
Kyrie Eleison (Lord have mercy)
3x

Glory Be
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Our Father

Act of Hope
O my God, relying on Your promises, I hope that, through the infinite merits of Jesus Christ, You will grant me pardon of my sins, and the graces necessary to serve You in this life and to obtain eternal happiness in the next. Amen
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be


To Christ, King of the Universe
O Christ Jesus, I acknowledge You King of the Universe. All that has been created has been made for You. Exercise upon me all Your rights. I renew my baptismal promises renouncing Satan and all his works and pomps. I promise to lead a good Christian life and to do all in my power to procure the triumph of the rights of God and Your Church. Divine Heart of Jesus, I offer You my poor actions in order to obtain that all hearts may acknowledge Your sacred royalty and that thus the reign of Your peace may be established throughout the universe. Amen.

[Bill the Cat]

For once...... I'm speechless.... :btc:

[spl_cadet]

Today @ 09:47 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=142005#post142005)
Bill the Cat:

For once...... I'm speechless.... :btc:

That good or bad?

[Bill the Cat]

I don't know, I'm like.... um... um.... What do I say?

For one, it is doctrinaly sound, but OTOH, we don't like repeated prayers too much. Songs are one thing, but prayers are another. My prayer comes from my heart to God as a friend talks to a friend.

But I'm still unsure what to say about it... :shrug:

[Solly]

Thanks Spl, but most Protestants outside the Anglican communion and its imitators do not rely on previously prepared prayers. They can be useful as a guided meditation - I use the Book of Common Prayer from time to time, and recently picked up a copy of the "Simplified Morning and Evening prayer" extracted from the Divine Office (Liturgia Horarum) issued by the Episcopal Conferences over here (imprimatur, Westminster 1997). However, I don't regularly use them. But I would rather say the Divine Office if anything.

Also, you didn't give a reason why we should use the rosary at all. I certainly wouldn't, given its associations with Catholicism (and Buddhism).

[Belteshazzar]

Solly:

Thanks Spl, but most Protestants outside the Anglican communion and its imitators do not rely on previously prepared prayers.

When did Protestants stop praying the rosary? I've read that Martin Luther prayed the rosary every day. It continues in the Anglican Church (et. al.) to this day. However, it seems Calvin thought the rosary was too Catholic. So perhaps Protestants have been influenced by Calvin a lot in this regard, but this is speculation on my part.



Also, you didn't give a reason why we should use the rosary at all.

Try to think of the mysteries of Christ from Mary's perspective. Wow! Its not easy to do either, and the longer you meditate on the mysteries of Christ from Mary's perspective, the more insight you'll gain. Here's a few excerpts for other great reasons:

ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE: (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae_en.html)In the sobriety of its elements, it has all the depth of the Gospel message in its entirety, of which it can be said to be a compendium.

The Rosary: (http://www.domestic-church.com/CONTENT.DCC/19990901/ARTICLES/wells_rosary.htm)Strangely enough, the repetition can free the mind from having to find things to say to God and allow the person to hear what God might be saying.


I certainly wouldn't, given its associations with Catholicism (and Buddhism).

Buddhism? How so? It shares the concept of meditation with Buddhism, but so do a lot of other beliefs and practices. The rosary was actually started by the illiterate layity before Dominic in the 12th century. But repititous prayers were a part of Christianity and Judaism long before Christ, and thus predate Buddhism by thousands of years.

Jerry

[Solly]

Today @ 03:45 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=143201#post143201)
Belteshazzar:
When did Protestants stop praying the rosary? I've read that Martin Luther prayed the rosary every day. It continues in the Anglican Church (et. al.) to this day. However, it seems Calvin thought the rosary was too Catholic. So perhaps Protestants have been influenced by Calvin a lot in this regard, but this is speculation on my part.

When they stopped playing at Catholicism, as still goes on in some quarters of Anglicanism, but not much. RCCs have tended to think Anglican Catholicis are trying to out catholic the catholics, from what i have read of the Oxford Movement. Lutheranism also allows itself things the Reformed churches don't, such as images, and paraphenalia.



Try to think of the mysteries of Christ from Mary's perspective. Wow! Its not easy to do either, and the longer you meditate on the mysteries of Christ from Mary's perspective, the more insight you'll gain. Here's a few excerpts for other great reasons:

ROSARIUM VIRGINIS MARIAE: (http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_letters/documents/hf_jp-ii_apl_20021016_rosarium-virginis-mariae_en.html)In the sobriety of its elements, it has all the depth of the Gospel message in its entirety, of which it can be said to be a compendium.

The Rosary: (http://www.domestic-church.com/CONTENT.DCC/19990901/ARTICLES/wells_rosary.htm)Strangely enough, the repetition can free the mind from having to find things to say to God and allow the person to hear what God might be saying.

Meditation has it's place; the Marian point of view isn't necessarily a good starting point. I prefer Paul, and what was revealed to him, rather than imagination which can lead into Faberian glights of imagination.


Buddhism? How so? It shares the concept of meditation with Buddhism, but so do a lot of other beliefs and practices. The rosary was actually started by the illiterate layity before Dominic in the 12th century. But repititous prayers were a part of Christianity and Judaism long before Christ, and thus predate Buddhism by thousands of years.

I am given to believe that the rosary was brought from India, and turned to use in the RCC church.
I have different views on forms of meditation, and that is that they are not all good. They can trigger mental states that are psychsomatic, rather than spiritual - evidenced by their similarity with meditative states around the world. there is a psychology of altered states of consciousness which matches too well with "spiritual" states.

[spl_cadet]

Today @ 12:32 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=142929#post142929)
Solly:
Also, you didn't give a reason why we should use the rosary at all.

I didn't say you had to. You don't. But I though I'd be nice and give you one that you could use.

[Belteshazzar]

Solly:

I am given to believe that the rosary was brought from India, and turned to use in the RCC church.

Do you have any basis for this belief?

Jerry

[Bill the Cat]

Today @ 12:57 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=143340#post143340)
spl_cadet:



I didn't say you had to. You don't. But I though I'd be nice and give you one that you could use.

Thanks Cadet!! It is the thought that counts :btc:

[Dee Dee Warren]

Cadet I really appreicate the thought, and thought the prayer was beautiful. I used to be very rigidly opposed to "standardized" prayer until I made my Via de Cristo (a movement though Protestant is a spin off of Catholic Cursillo) and we prayed this prayer countless times and though "rote" it is a source of amazing comfort to me:

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful, and kindle in us the fire of Your love. Send forth Your Spirit, and we shall be created, and You shall renew the face of the earth.

O God who by the power of the Holy Spirit, instructs the hearts of the faithful, grant that by that same Spirit, we may be truly wise and every rejoice in His consolations.

Come Holy Spirit, fill the hearts of your faithful, and kindle in us the fire of Your love. Through Christ our Lord. Amen.


Page 42 of my Pilgrim's Guide....

[Solly]

Yesterday @ 05:57 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=143340#post143340)
spl_cadet:
I didn't say you had to. You don't. But I though I'd be nice and give you one that you could use.

Yes, it is a nice thought, but since the majority if not all the prots on this board don't have a rosary sitting in the cupboard, I thought you might at least give a reason for getting one. What is the point of having one?

[Little Cow]

While I believe that your prayers should come from your heart I do value prayers that have already been constructed and prayed. The Lord's Prayer is one of these. Also you have the Ephesian's Prayers. These are awesome prayers that are found in the Bible that will help you grow spiritually and encourage you day after day.

While you cannot totally rely on pre-constructed prayers. Say your aunt Marie is in the hospital with severe frostbite. Good luck finding a prayer for that. :read: Most of the time we need to pray our own prayers to the Father from our heart. He is our Lord and friend and helper.

So both types of prayers should definately have their place in our lives.

[Ric]

Thanks for the thought! That was nice.

But...
spl_cadet you know me well enough by now to know if I reply to something of a Roman Catholic nature - I have a problem with it. :smile:

Where you said:
Act of Hope
O my God, relying on Your promises, I hope that, through the infinite merits of Jesus Christ, You will grant me pardon of my sins, and the graces necessary to serve You in this life and to obtain eternal happiness in the next. Amen
I ask you this. If you know that we as Christians (Protestant) know that we are assured of our salvation, why would we need to pray the "Act of Hope"?

Or am I reading the part wrong where it says, "You in this life and to obtain eternal happiness in the next." Am I reading the part wrong where it states "to obtain eternal happiness in the next" as eternal salvation? :shrug:



07-07-2003 @ 12:41 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=142003#post142003)
spl_cadet:

Since I know that many Protestants object to the Rosary because it's mainly prayers to Mary, here's a version of the Rosary for them.
And for those who might object to repetitous prayer, think of it as one giant prayer (which is the way I and most Catholics think of it anyway). Like the Psalms, where the antiphon repeats, some of the prayers repeat here.

The Jesus Prayer
O my Divine Savior, transform me into yourself. May my hands be the hands of Jesus. May my tongue be the tongue of Jesus, Grant that every faculty of my body may serve only to glorify you. Above all, transform my soul and all its powers, that my memory, my will and my affections may be the memory, the will and the affections of Jesus. I pray you to destroy in me all that is not you. Grant that I may live but in you and for you,
and that I may truly say with St. Paul: "I live, now not I, but Christ lives in me" (Gal 2:20).

Our Father
Our Father, who art in Heaven, hallowed by Thy name, Thy kingdom come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass against us. And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen

Kyrie Eleison (Lord have mercy)
Christe Eleison (Christ have mercy)
Kyrie Eleison (Lord have mercy)
3x

Glory Be
Glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning, is now, and ever shall be, world without end. Amen

Our Father

Act of Hope
O my God, relying on Your promises, I hope that, through the infinite merits of Jesus Christ, You will grant me pardon of my sins, and the graces necessary to serve You in this life and to obtain eternal happiness in the next. Amen
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be

Our Father

Act of Hope
10x

Glory Be


To Christ, King of the Universe
O Christ Jesus, I acknowledge You King of the Universe. All that has been created has been made for You. Exercise upon me all Your rights. I renew my baptismal promises renouncing Satan and all his works and pomps. I promise to lead a good Christian life and to do all in my power to procure the triumph of the rights of God and Your Church. Divine Heart of Jesus, I offer You my poor actions in order to obtain that all hearts may acknowledge Your sacred royalty and that thus the reign of Your peace may be established throughout the universe. Amen.

[spl_cadet]

I ask you this. If you know that we as Christians (Protestant) know that we are assured of our salvation, why would we need to pray the "Act of Hope"?

Because not all Prots believe in OSAS.