Sheep and Goats (nations) Matt 25:31-

[Lady Gooner]

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.


could someone please explain to me how dispensationalists get "goat nations" and "sheep nations" from this passage of scripture.

and why the "goat" nations will be cast into Hell after they have "kept the sacrifices" to show that keeping the sacrifices reveals their faith in Christ as mankind's Redeemer. Matt.25:32-46.

also how the "sheep nations" will not be part of the Bride of the Lamb that inhabits the New Jerusalem forever. Instead, inheriting the Kingdom on Earth


I dont mind if you are a dispensationalist or "other" both views for and against are welcome (and may help me clarify) :argh:

[David_A_Reed]

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.


could someone please explain to me how dispensationalists get "goat nations" and "sheep nations" from this passage of scripture.

and why the "goat" nations will be cast into Hell after they have "kept the sacrifices" to show that keeping the sacrifices reveals their faith in Christ as mankind's Redeemer. Matt.25:32-46.

also how the "sheep nations" will not be part of the Bride of the Lamb that inhabits the New Jerusalem forever. Instead, inheriting the Kingdom on Earth


I dont mind if you are a dispensationalist or "other" both views for and against are welcome (and may help me clarify) :argh:
Lady,

Would you please be so kind as to supply the source of those ideas? Who espouses those thoughts about the sheep and goats? Where did you run into such an interpretation?

I'm certainly not a dispensationalist, and have no desire to defend their teachings, but would like to know more about the interpretation you write about. Thanks.

David

[MegaHertz]

"goat nations" and "sheep nations"

The sheep and goats are not nations, they are individuals, both groups saying they have accepted Christ, one group has been following Christ's instructions on how to treat other people, the other group has not even made any attempt but use their 'sworn loyality to Christ' as an oportunity to do just the opposite. Kind of ironic that the (perhaps) largest group of people who end up in the Lake of Fire are 'false Christians';

M't:7:21:
Not every one that saith unto me,
Lord,
Lord,
shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

M't:7:22:
Many will say to me in that day,
Lord,
Lord,
have we not prophesied in thy name?
and in thy name have cast out devils?
and in thy name done many wonderful works?

Lu:6:46:
And why call ye me,
Lord,
Lord,
and do not the things which I say?

[David_A_Reed]

This parable offers strong evidence against the dispensationalist view of the rapture being followed by a 7-year tribulation.

The Lord separates the sheep from the goats –- obedient believers from unbelievers -- and rewards believers, while telling unbelievers to “Depart from me... into everlasting fire” (vs. 41) Dispensationalists can't place this event at the rapture, because no one is sent into everlasting fire then, according to their theory. So, they must place it at the end of their 7-year tribulation.

However, the parable doesn't fit that situation either. Those who are sent into the everlasting fire are surprised, and ask, “Lord, when saw we thee hungry, or athirst, or a stranger...?" How unlike the picture the dispensationalists offer, where the unbelievers at the end of the tribulation are open enemies of Christ!

Compare, also, Jesus' parables of the wheat and the tares, the faithful and the evil slave, and the wise and foolish virgins -- all of them point to a sudden separation, with rewards and everlasting punishment given out at the same time, not separated by a seven-year gap.

David

[Hitch]

"When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.


could someone please explain to me how dispensationalists get "goat nations" and "sheep nations" from this passage of scripture.

and why the "goat" nations will be cast into Hell after they have "kept the sacrifices" to show that keeping the sacrifices reveals their faith in Christ as mankind's Redeemer. Matt.25:32-46.

also how the "sheep nations" will not be part of the Bride of the Lamb that inhabits the New Jerusalem forever. Instead, inheriting the Kingdom on Earth


I dont mind if you are a dispensationalist or "other" both views for and against are welcome (and may help me clarify) :argh:
'This judgement is to be distinguished from the judgement of the great white throne. Here there is no resurrection, the persons judged are living nation; no books are opened;three classes are present,sheep ,goats, brethern;the time is at the return of Christ and the scene is on earth. All these particulars are in contrast with Rev 20. The test in this judgement is the treatment accorded by the nations to those whom Christ here calls 'my bretheren'. These 'bretheren' are the Jewish Remnant who will have preached the Gospel of the kingdom to all the nations during the tribulation...[/
SRB p 1036


Take care

H

[gooner]

'This judgement is to be distinguished from the judgement of the great white throne. Here there is no resurrection, the persons judged are living nation; no books are opened;three classes are present,sheep ,goats, brethern;the time is at the return of Christ and the scene is on earth. All these particulars are in contrast with Rev 20. The test in this judgement is the treatment accorded by the nations to those whom Christ here calls 'my bretheren'. These 'bretheren' are the Jewish Remnant who will have preached the Gospel of the kingdom to all the nations during the tribulation...[/
SRB p 1036


Take care

H

Hitch;what is SRB?

[John Reece]

Hitch;what is SRB?

Scofield Reference Bible (http://www.biblebelievers.com/scofield_reference_bible/)

[Hitch]

Hitch;what is SRB?A curious work of fiction.

Actually John is correct, as usual. Scofield was a major force in early 20th century DF thinking and the SRB and the 1967 New SRB are still widely used in DF circles. Ryrie,Pentecost Walvoord, McGeee and host of other well knowns used the SRB.

Take care

H

[Lady Gooner]

A curious work of fiction.



:lol:

Thank you all for your input much appreciated i'm begining to see the sheep from the goats (the wood from the trees) :smile: