What the Holy Spirit does.

[nerdinred]

I was just wondering what people thought the Holy Spirit did. How it moves and helps us. I know that in the Bible it is refered to as "The Comforter" and in the new living translation, it is called "The Spirit of Holiness". So i was just wondering. I'm not sure this is the right place to post this.

either way, I'd like to hear what everyone else has found, or experienced.
Thanks.
hannah.

[JardinPrayer]

The Holy Spirit is God dwelling in us. It is the still, small voice. It is our talent, our gifts, our healing, our motivation to seek God, to pray, to obey. It is what awakens a sinner and opens a heart to salvation.

How's that for starters?

Peace,
Jardin:pray:

[nerdinred]

Thanks. yeah th'as pretty good :) Hehe. I was just wondering what others had to say. :) Heya jardin. i remember you.
hannah.

[Thomas2003]

He is the one who carries out the creative mandate.

Cordially,

Thomas

[JardinPrayer]

Hi Hannah...I remember you, too.

Funny, I wrote that on the 17th and within days of that post, I started my "Can you lose your salvation" thread...as a result of a faith crisis.

I can't wait to see what the Holy Spirit does next!

Peace,
J:pray:

[luv1another]

The Holy Spirit is the breath of God within us that is Gods mark of his child. He is like our concsious in a way nagging us when we are about to do something bad. He helps us to pray in tongues. He gives us the strength we need to cope in all situations. He is our comforter. He helps us to operate in our giftings and in the fruits of the Spirit. He is a gentleman. He knows all things. He is eternal. He is the only one you can blaspheme against andnot be forgiven. He is wise. He has power. He transforms,encourages and empowers Christians.

The Holy Spirit assures believers they have born again. He is love,peace, patience, goodness, kindness,self control and joy. The Holy spirit makes the bible come alive when we read it by showing us things, he teaches us. He intercedes on our behalf.
The Holy Spirit is what makes Christians brothers and sisters as we each have some of the Spirit making us one body. Im sure there is lots more but I cant think of them right now
I have experienced the Holy Spirit withing me and without his workings within me I would not be able to love others or be the person I am today or will be in the future. The Holy Spirit uses me to talk to people sometimes and I don't even know why the person feels better.... people will tell me its just what they needed to hear at that time and I could in no way know that.
The Holy Spirit within me helps me to know when a friend may need me. He helps me to love others where they are at, and encourage them into a better place.
the Holy Spirit is God within us basicly :smile:
thats how I see Him :thumb:

God Bless you

[darcutm]

Hey all--Great thread....I have done a lot of study in pneumatology and have to say it's a subject that really invokes a lot of response in me, so I'll have a lot to say but probably will exceed 24 K if I posted everything so I'll post some...

John 14:16-17, 26
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever;
17 Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.
26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
KJV

So we see from the surface that the work of the Spirit is teach us all things, and bring all things to our rememberance....People often ask me how I can remember the scriptures I do when I'm preaching...Some of them, if you asked me to say them I couldn't, because it was the Spirit that brought them to my rememberance.

The Greek word for the word Comforter in v. 16 and 26 is the word paraclete...The Amplified transalation does just that and amplifies it and gives us the 7-fold meaning of the word.
Comforter, Counselor, Helper, Intercessor, Adovocate, Strengthener, and Standby.

John 16:7-15
7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of judgment, because the prince of this world is judged.
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
KJV

So we see from the text that He reproves the world of sin....I've prayed before for the convicting power of the Holy Spirit to follow a person until they came to Christ.
He guides us into all truth and shows us things to come. What does that mean? He leads us in the paths of righteousness. He teaches us from the Word.
He shows us what we have through Christ. He glorifies Christ.

Acts 1:8

8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
KJV
After we've recieved the Spirit power. Power for what? Power to be witnesses unto the uttermost part of the earth!

We see in Acts 9:31 that the churches were walking in the comfort of the Holy Ghost.
We see in Acts 20:23 that the Holy Ghost showed Paul things to come.
We see in Acts 13:2 and 20:28, He calls people to the work of the ministry...Rather to say He CONFIRMS in people the call of ministry because it says in Ephesians 3:8 in talking about Jesus "Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men".

Romans 5:5

5 And hope maketh not ashamed; because the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts by the Holy Ghost which is given unto us.
KJV

So the Spirit has given us the ability to love as God loves.
Romans 8:14-16

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
KJV

The Spirit confirms that we are sons of God. He leads us.

Romans 9:1
9:1 I say the truth in Christ, I lie not, my conscience also bearing me witness in the Holy Ghost
KJV

The Spirit helps our conscience and guides us to help keep us out of sin and in righteousness and holiness.

1 Corinthians 2:9-12

9 But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

11 For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God.

12 Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
KJV

This is kind of rough to understand at first glance so let's look at some things. We read in Isaiah what is in v.9, but now that we've been born of the Spirit and He lives in us, He reveals those things that eye hath not seen nor ear heard, yes these deep things of God! Look at v. 11. "For what man knoweth the things of a man, save (except) for the spirit of man which is in him?" :elvis: Take our little friend here. Aside from God, no one knows him better than himself. No one knows his likes his dislikes his everything more than himself! So the verse goes on to say "even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God" THINK ABOUT THIS!!! NO one can know God better than God's own Spirit, SO God in order for us to know Him says I"m going to take ME and put ME in YOU!! The One that knows God the very best lives in you!!! :joy: This is why Jesus said in John 16:7 that is was good for Him to go. Even if Jesus was walking in our presence telling us all He could of the Kingdom of God, and righteousness and Holiness and on and on, this is better because the Spirit of God Himself lives on the inside of us so that we can know things!

In following verses in 1 Cor 13:13 we see that the Spirit helps teachers to teach as well as hearers to understand.

This is only one part of the Spirit's work, because it is one thing to be born of the Spirit, which all i've written involve, but it's another thing to be filled with the Spirit. There is MUCH more I could write if I included all the work of the Spirit after being filled.

If you are interested there is a new book available called The Spirit Within and the Spirit Upon. Probably available if you search for it at amazon....

IN HIM

[mickiel]

being unable to explain spiritual things in spiritual language, i can only use english, its all i know, but even it is innsufficent in explaining God.


God IS pure power PERSONIFIED, or he IS power ITSELF. Great awesome power. Power so great that it LIGHTS UP the universe, and where God is, no sun is needed ( therefore where God is not, a sun is needed for light, proof that God is not anywhere NEAR earth.) Power like this has a RADIANCE, a NATURAL REFLECTION. Now we humans have a form, as our form is exposed to the sun, it reflects a shadow, Now that shadow IS NOT US, but it IS a reflection OF US, or proof that we are there. Now this is a crude example, but it is the only i have been given. The Holy Spirit is kind of like Gods shadow, its not him, but it is evidence that heis there. The Holy Spirit is NEVER CALLED GOD in scripture, NOWHERE. Because it IS NOT HIM, but it IS HIS reflection, his image, his RADIANCE. But now this gets even more weird, i think it is alive. Gods shadow, unlike ours, IS ALIVE. I mean he is so powerful, its just alive, sparkling with life, but not INDEPENDANT life like Christ has. Christ is independant from God BUT in PERFECT SUBMISSION to him. In other words God has given Jesus protozoan, or INNER SELF GENERATING LIFE. I don't think the Holy Spirit has been granted that, it is still connected to God and dependant on him.


I don't think the Holt Spirit has a personality, it has never expressed one that have read in the bible. I say its alive because it SPEAKS, does things, exist as a being would. But then it does other things that only Gods POWER can do. Therefore i would agree with any definition that describes it as Gods power, that , i think is correct. It has no personage that i can see, so i would disagree with calling it a "third God". Gods have personality, individuality that is clear. They have definite imprint in what can be defined as a definite characther.

God, being what he is, has certain things that are always with him when he is there. Look at Revelations 4:4-5. The 24 elders ARE ALWAYS with Gods throne, as if they are a part of it, welded to it. Sort of like a perminent supreme court of counsel. Notice also that LIGHTNING is always around God. Also GREAT SOUND, like sounds of thunder John said. Notice also FIRE IS ALWAYS AROUND GOD, so the eternity of fire need not be thought of as hell. Because there are seven lamps, or containers in front of the throne, EACH holding what John could only describe as FIRE, but he calls them the 7 SPIRITS of God. So God HAS SEVEN SPIRITS, everythingelse has only one or none. Now i think these SEVEN SPIRITS of God ARE NOT BEINGS WITH PERSONALITY, they are an actual PART OF GOD. I can explain no more, because i know no more. These 7 SPIRITS of God are more a part of him than what we call the Holy Spirit of God.

God is just complicated, no matter how you choose to look at it. Can you imagine approaching his throne? Just seeing and hearing, experiencing something like this? You cannot be human and survive the experience. No human can look at this and live. It would kill you. So to have this POWER INSIDE of us, is a DIFFERENT FORM OF HIS SPIRIT, or it would kill us also. So i think the Holy Spirit is the IMAGE of GOD, his reflection, his radiant power THAT IS ALIVE. How can something be alive and have no personality? Well animals explain that, but many of them have definite personality. So i am not really totally clear on what the Holy Spirit is, my studies continue on it. I await more revelation from God, but that comes on his terms and time , not mine. Being created IN GODS IMAGE ourselves, the Holy Spirit is Gods image, so instead of giving it a will of its own, i believe it is Gods will come alive into reality to do his bidding.

[darcutm]

Yesterday @ 10:08 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=164203#post164203)
mickiel:


I don't think the Holt Spirit has a personality, it has never expressed one that have read in the bible. I say its alive because it SPEAKS, does things, exist as a being would. But then it does other things that only Gods POWER can do. Therefore i would agree with any definition that describes it as Gods power, that , i think is correct. It has no personage that i can see, so i would disagree with calling it a "third God". Gods have personality, individuality that is clear. They have definite imprint in what can be defined as a definite characther.


Firstly--It's a shame that Jesus didn't see the Spirit as an it, because in EVERY reference to the Holy Spirit said HE.

I'm not going to go into whether or not the Spirit is part of a Triune God, simply because this thread isn't the forum for it, except to say 1 John 5:7 seems to mention Him as God. During Jesus' baptism He was seen from Heaven.
Also in John 14:16 Jesus said "He (the Father) shall give you another..." The word another is the greek word allos, meaning one of the same kind. If you believe Jesus to be God, the Spirit is the same.

Part of the confusion concerning the Holy Spirit is that people don't consider Him a person just because "Holy Spirit", "Holy Ghost" et al. sounds like a thing... But let me do my best to define person.
Person--a distinct entity, a personality, a livining entity endowed with understanding and will, is an intelligent and willing agent...
Notice has nothing to do with whether or not it has a body. God the Father doesn't have a body--The Bible says He's a spirit, yet because our finite minds hear father there is something easier to identify. Is the real you a body? NO. The real you is a spirit that lives in a body.

This person, the Holy Spirit has personality, and for shortness I'll only site one example--1 Corinthians 2:9-10 (posted above)...It takes a person with understanding and will to be a revealer....
You are confusing the presence of God, the glory, with the indwelling person of God.

IN HIM

[mickiel]

Today @ 06:52 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=164292#post164292)
darcutm:



Firstly--It's a shame that Jesus didn't see the Spirit as an it, because in EVERY reference to the Holy Spirit said HE.

Jesus NEVER gave the Holy Spirit personality, you cannot show a scripture that does not exist, but now you may misinterpit one to mean what it does not. The Holy Spirit is never addressed as a personage By God or Christ, only men. All you have to do is PRODUCE the scripture, no need for debate, JUST SHOW it. I say it is NOT IN THE BIBLE!





I'm not going to go into whether or not the Spirit is part of a Triune God, simply because this thread isn't the forum for it, except to say 1 John 5:7 seems to mention Him as God. During Jesus' baptism He was seen from Heaven.

The Spirit is the truth because it is God witness in vs. 9, the witness of God is greater than anything, it is so great, so powerful, it reflects his radiance in the creation, that radience IS the Holy Spirit. John 5:7 does NOT call the HOLY SPIRIT GOD, nor DOES ANYOTHER VERSE IN THE BIBLE.



Also in John 14:16 Jesus said "He (the Father) shall give you another..." The word another is the greek word allos, meaning one of the same kind. If you believe Jesus to be God, the Spirit is the same.

John 14:16 does NOT call the Spirit God, It does NOT CALL CHRIST GOD. Christ is NOT GOD. Christ is Christ, God is God. Each of them are one. One individual being. Your views are affected by the false trinity doctrine. But i understand . most of christiandom believes this stuff, they were raised on it.




Part of the confusion concerning the Holy Spirit is that people don't consider Him a person just because "Holy Spirit", "Holy Ghost" et al. sounds like a thing... But let me do my best to define person.
Person--a distinct entity, a personality, a livining entity endowed with understanding and will, is an intelligent and willing agent...
Notice has nothing to do with whether or not it has a body. God the Father doesn't have a body--The Bible says He's a spirit, yet because our finite minds hear father there is something easier to identify. Is the real you a body? NO. The real you is a spirit that lives in a body.

This person, the Holy Spirit has personality, and for shortness I'll only site one example--1 Corinthians 2:9-10 (posted above)...It takes a person with understanding and will to be a revealer....
You are confusing the presence of God, the glory, with the indwelling person of God.

IN HIM

As i have said, the Spirit is NOT a 3rd God. It is NOT a being given individual responsive life, it does NOT have a body or an office that is in the administrative level of God. I know more of what it IS NOT, than what IT IS. I apoligise that i am unable to give more at this timei just don't know any more.

[OldShepherd]

Why do Trinitarians refer to the Holy Ghost/Spirit as a person distinct from the Father and the Son? Because the Holy Spirit does all these individual, personal, actions, distinct from the Father and the Son!

The Holy Spirit independently; comforts, reveals, bears witness, helps, has a mind, loves, leads, makes intercession, speaks, anoints, gives utterance (causes to speak), can be tempted, bids (tells, instructs); approves, suffers (permits) and forbids actions; searches hearts and consciences, can be insulted, can be lied to, can be grieved, can be quenched, bears witness; can be blasphemed and spoken against, distinct from the son; teaches, thinks, witnesses, sanctifies, sends and is sent, and ordains to office.

These are all characteristics of a person, not an impersonal force, energy, power, etc.
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Ro 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:

Ro 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,

Ro 15:30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit,

Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit

Mt 10:20 the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Lu 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,

Ac 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Ac 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?

Ac 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip,

Ac 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him,

Ac 11:12 And the Spirit bade (told, instructed) me go with them

Ac 16:7 but the Spirit suffered them not.

Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,

Ro 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: the Spirit itself maketh intercession

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things,

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly

Heb 10:29 and hath done despite (insult) unto the Spirit of grace?

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,

1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,

1 Jon 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Re 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;

Re 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit,

Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,

Mr 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Lu 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost,

Lu 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost

Lu 12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance

Ac 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Ac 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Ac 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

Ac 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.

Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers,

Ac 21:11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost,

Ro 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying,

Re 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say,
And although I exercised due care and diligence, I'm not sure that is all of the relevant scriptures.

[mickiel]

Today @ 08:04 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=165321#post165321)
OldShepherd:

Why do Trinitarians refer to the Holy Ghost/Spirit as a person distinct from the Father and the Son? Because the Holy Spirit does all these individual, personal, actions, distinct from the Father and the Son!

The Holy Spirit independently; comforts, reveals, bears witness, helps, has a mind, loves, leads, makes intercession, speaks, anoints, gives utterance (causes to speak), can be tempted, bids (tells, instructs); approves, suffers (permits) and forbids actions; searches hearts and consciences, can be insulted, can be lied to, can be grieved, can be quenched, bears witness; can be blasphemed and spoken against, distinct from the son; teaches, thinks, witnesses, sanctifies, sends and is sent, and ordains to office.

These are all characteristics of a person, not an impersonal force, energy, power, etc.
Ro 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

Ro 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities:

Ro 8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit,

Ro 15:30 Now I beseech you, brethren, for the Lord Jesus Christ's sake, and for the love of the Spirit,

Mt 4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit

Mt 10:20 the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.

Lu 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted,

Ac 2:4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Ac 5:9 Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord?

Ac 8:29 Then the Spirit said unto Philip,

Ac 10:19 While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him,

Ac 11:12 And the Spirit bade (told, instructed) me go with them

Ac 16:7 but the Spirit suffered them not.

Ro 8:14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God,

Ro 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: the Spirit itself maketh intercession

1Co 2:10 But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things,

1Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly

Heb 10:29 and hath done despite (insult) unto the Spirit of grace?

Act 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Eph 3:5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;

Eph 4:30 And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,

1Th 5:19 Quench not the Spirit.

1Jo 5:6 This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,

1 Jon 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.

Re 2:7 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches;

Re 14:13 And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit,

Mt 12:31 Wherefore I say unto you, All manner of sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven unto men: but the blasphemy against the Holy Ghost shall not be forgiven unto men.

Mt 12:32 And whosoever speaketh a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost,

Mr 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.

Lu 2:26 And it was revealed unto him by the Holy Ghost,

Lu 12:10 And whosoever shall speak a word against the Son of man, it shall be forgiven him: but unto him that blasphemeth against the Holy Ghost

Lu 12:12 For the Holy Ghost shall teach you

Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance

Ac 5:3 But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?

Ac 15:28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;

Ac 16:6 Now when they had gone throughout Phrygia and the region of Galatia, and were forbidden of the Holy Ghost to preach the word in Asia,

Ac 20:23 Save that the Holy Ghost witnesseth in every city, saying that bonds and afflictions abide me.

Ac 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers,

Ac 21:11 And when he was come unto us, he took Paul's girdle, and bound his own hands and feet, and said, Thus saith the Holy Ghost,

Ro 15:16 That I should be the minister of Jesus Christ to the Gentiles, ministering the gospel of God, that the offering up of the Gentiles might be acceptable, being sanctified by the Holy Ghost.

1Co 2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

Heb 9:8 The Holy Ghost this signifying,

Re 22:17 And the Spirit and the bride say,
And although I exercised due care and diligence, I'm not sure that is all of the relevant scriptures.






A comprehensive list indeed. This is why i think the Holy Spirit IS alive, or living Godly reality, but the fire of God does these same things. The water of God does these same things. The wind of God does these same things. All the scriptures you listed, the spirit elements of God do the same things. I don't know what the spirit elements of God are. But i know they ARE NOT PERSONS. We can explain their physical counterparts, but thats it. In my view, the bible does not reveal sufficent evidence on just what the Holy Spirit is, but christianity does NOT NEED sufficent evidence to create a doctrine, they have shown this time and doctrine again. The bible does not give sufficent evidence on hell, christians created a doctrine there. The bible does not teach free will as a doctrine of salvation, christians teach that as doctrine. The bible does not give sufficent evidence that satan or mankind "fell", christians teach that as doctrine. This list goes on and on. This is why me and many others view christianity as a threat to people. They teach as doctrines the views of their teachers. I know it is basically a differing view of scripture, but only certain levels of mind can share in differing views.


God is DIRECT power, and this power reveals indirect reflections of his power THAT ARE SIMPLY THERE because of God. God has his own personal choir, all they have been created to do is sing to him. So God likes singing, he sings himself no doubt. This choir is the best voices created, they have no other revealed purpose other than to sing. They are a perminent part of Gods throne. They never stop singing. Humans may think this is cruel, its not, its just a level we do not understand. We ourselves like music, it helps some of us relax, or think and meditate, God is the creator of thinking and music, but his level is the highest form of anything.

What i believe is that God is so powerful, the reflection of his power, his light, is alive. Now on our level, that would be like our shadow being alive. Now if our shadow was alive, we would call it a person, but it has no brain, no emotion, no independant direction, no purpose other than to mimic its base. Now i know this is crude in example, but i just can't think of any other pertinant thesis. I don't think God created the Holy Spirit, or happiness, or light, or goodness or mercy, or any fruit of the Spirit. I think they are JUST NATURAL OFFSHOOTS OF GOD, they are just a part of him. Always have been. These things HAVE NO MIND OF THEIR OWN, BUT God is so GOOD, HID GOODNESS IS ALIVE! His mercy is LIVING. HIS LIGHT OR HIS REFLECTION IS ALIVE! I'm telling you this being is UNLIKE ANYTHING WE HAVE EVER KNOWN. We make a serious MISTAKE IN THINKING, if we DARE THINK we understand God or what he is.

[OldShepherd]

Today @ 06:24 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=165587#post165587)
mickiel:

A comprehensive list indeed. This is why i think the Holy Spirit IS alive, or living Godly reality, but the fire of God does these same things. The water of God does these same things. The wind of God does these same things. All the scriptures you listed, the spirit elements of God do the same things.

Pardon my skepticism but I don't see any scriptures supporting your fire, water, wind, spirit elements assertion.

In my view, the bible does not reveal sufficent evidence on just what the Holy Spirit is, but christianity does NOT NEED sufficent evidence to create a doctrine, they have shown this time and doctrine again.

More assertions without any evidence.

The bible does not give sufficent evidence on hell, christians created a doctrine there.

If you ignore Isaiah 66:24, Mark 9:44- 48, et alii.

The bible does not teach free will as a doctrine of salvation, christians teach that as doctrine.

Jeremiah 13:11-14, e.g.

The bible does not give sufficent evidence that satan or mankind "fell", christians teach that as doctrine.

Genesis 3:1-14, referenced in the NT.

This list goes on and on. This is why me and many others view christianity as a threat to people. They teach as doctrines the views of their teachers. I know it is basically a differing view of scripture, but only certain levels of mind can share in differing views.

You are right the list goes on and on, the list of mindless, knee jerk, baseless objections passed on from one person to another, who have never bothered to read the Bible themselves, but parrot the views of their teachers.

[darcutm]

Today @ 03:49 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=166051#post166051)
OldShepherd:



You are right the list goes on and on, the list of mindless, knee jerk, baseless objections passed on from one person to another, who have never bothered to read the Bible themselves, but parrot the views of their teachers.

ouch....have some more pearls...

[mickiel]

You are right the list goes on and on, the list of mindless, knee jerk, baseless objections passed on from one person to another, who have never bothered to read the Bible themselves, but parrot the views of their teachers. [/QUOTE]


When the time comes, you will remember the truth passed your way and you rejected it as have all men. Look and remember. You cannot tell God he never showed you. You love tradition more than truth. Look and remember.

[OldShepherd]

Today @ 04:04 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=166181#post166181)
mickiel:

OS: You are right the list goes on and on, the list of mindless, knee jerk, baseless objections passed on from one person to another, who have never bothered to read the Bible themselves, but parrot the views of their teachers.

When the time comes, you will remember the truth passed your way and you rejected it as have all men. Look and remember. You cannot tell God he never showed you. You love tradition more than truth. Look and remember.

What truth? All you did was post a bunch of Biblical sounding babble, without one single verse of scripture to back it up. I wish I had a dime for every phony prophesy of doom sent my way by self appointed, self-righteous, seers, because I had the nerve to disagree with them and back up my views with scripture. I would be rich. Take your kuonou eceramou prophecies back to the rock you found them under.

[Little Cow]

I just jumped on this thread and am really enjoying it. Old Shepard, I commend you for your great wisdom and biblical knowledge and support for your beliefs.

Darcutm, :poke:

Mickiel, I would totally have to agree with Old Shepard. The scriptures he shared totally backed up what he is saying. I didn't see you giving any scripture to back up any of your ideas. You said that the truth has come our way. :doh: Well, I consider the Word of God truth. You gave a lot of interesting ideas, but no truth. It sounds to me like you have been swept away with some fanciful teaching that sounds real nice (no hell, no "fall", no info on the HG, no free will of salvation) You know that sounds like a very nice little religious mindset to live in, but it is not truth. The bible speaks very clearly about all these things. I think you should go through the Word of God and let it form your beliefs and stop trying to make your beliefs fit into the Word.

I would love to share some scripture here, but I think that darcutm and Old Shepard have taken the cake.

GREAT THREAD GUYS!!

[mickiel]

Today @ 09:46 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=166597#post166597)
Little Cow:

I just jumped on this thread and am really enjoying it. Old Shepard, I commend you for your great wisdom and biblical knowledge and support for your beliefs.

Darcutm, :poke:

Mickiel, I would totally have to agree with Old Shepard. The scriptures he shared totally backed up what he is saying. I didn't see you giving any scripture to back up any of your ideas. You said that the truth has come our way. :doh: Well, I consider the Word of God truth. You gave a lot of interesting ideas, but no truth. It sounds to me like you have been swept away with some fanciful teaching that sounds real nice (no hell, no "fall", no info on the HG, no free will of salvation) You know that sounds like a very nice little religious mindset to live in, but it is not truth. The bible speaks very clearly about all these things. I think you should go through the Word of God and let it form your beliefs and stop trying to make your beliefs fit into the Word.

I would love to share some scripture here, but I think that darcutm and Old Shepard have taken the cake.

GREAT THREAD GUYS!!


But i will anyway, but i already know the results. You have seen these scriptures all your lives. Scripture is meaningless without understanding from God, utterly meaningless. The bible is a book like all others unless God brings it alive in your mind.

I do this for the sake of others who's minds are being granted truth, NOT to convince you or your constiuants of things not for you.;

The goodness of God is alive, it is what leads people to repent, NOT harsh trails or horror stories, Rom. 2:4. Gods kindness is alive, it has a Spirit OF ITS own. It is NOT the Holy Spirit, it is a complettely different aspect of God, it is a FRUIT OF the Spirit, or evidence that God is there.. In Gal. 5:22, a common error in interpiting scripturs is to assume that the fruit of the Spirit is a description of the Holy Spirit itself. This is inncorrect. These scriptures DESCRIBE GOD in DETAIL. Now each detail given in this short list is a DIRECT CHARACTHERISTIC of God, and EACH has a life of ITS OWN. Mind you, this is not a complette list. Now God has Spirit elements that are typed by their physical counterparts, but In the Spirit world, they are FAR MORE powerful and meaningful.

I will prepare a short list for those of you who are not infected with the disbelief. Rev. 22:1, the river of the water of life. Now here, the element of water is NOT earthly water, but this water GIVES LIFE, as does the HOLY SPIRIT. This water is not physical, NOTHING in the HOLY CITY IS. This water also can HEAL, as can the HOLY SPIRIT. It will feed the trees that will heal the nations of mankind. This water can cleanse SIN, as can the Holy Spirit.

I won't go into to it, but you can study on your own time and effort, its more rewarding, the Spirit will guide those of you whom it will. Reference all the elements in the bible, cross reference how each relate to their heavenly counterpart. Then notice how they all can do the same thing. The fire of God will do the same thing, baptize, heal, cleanse sin, and so on. So can the wind of God give life, it was used to give mankind life, God BLEW into Adam, the breath of life. It can remove sin, give strength, or kill. If wind is removed, we all die.

The men here do not understand God. It angers me that i am accused of not using scripture, when you do, it cannot be seen. So rather than quit and leave, which is what I want to do, God leads me differently, there are ears here that is fruit for Gods own purpose, so for a little while i will continue.

Realize that God is life, raw sparkling life. But God is not ONE dimensional, he is a multifaceted being, BUT- every part of him IS ALIVE. The seven vails of fire on Gods throne, are alive. Even the THUNDER on Gods throne, IS ALIVE. When God simply SPEAKS A WORD, THOSE words BECOME ALIVE. They are INSTANTLY LAW, LIFE, COHRENT REALITY. This is how awesome powerful God is. God does not have a recorder or a secertary writting down his words, life itself is a testimony of that. God speaks, and it is. So the SOUND of God can do what the Holy Spirit does. Mere VERBAL sound comming from God IS ALIVE. God has NO TOOLS to CREATE, HE HIMSELF IS CREATION PERSONIFIED, Jesus is his tool.

I am threading dangerous ground here, castint pearls to those who do not value them. The pearls at theologyweb are useless. But the members here VALUE them. Wisdom and truth mean absolutely nothing if they are not valued. The bible, as great as it is, is totally meaningless without the life of God in the mind. I refuse to use scriptures at times because i discern the value of the other to be more interested in tradition and their religon, than real truth. I could careless what these men here see, they are wells without water, unable to even lead themselves to truth.


I have to repent each time i talk with these men, they get on my nerves. God is not pleased with my anger, but he understands it. I get so sick of the foolishness men call knowledge. God is so much more.He is so much more.

[darcutm]

Yesterday @ 04:33 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=167012#post167012)
mickiel:



The bible is a book like all others unless God brings it alive in your mind.

I do this for the sake of others who's minds are being granted truth, NOT to convince you or your constiuants of things not for you.;



Last time I read my Bible, it said the spirit of man is the candle (lamp) of the Lord. If your mind is illuminated that's great, but I would prefer to have my regenerated spirit, the candle of the Lord to be understanding and let my mind follow. My mind isn't the real me...My spirit is. My mind hasn't got a thing in the world to do with the Bible. Spiritual things are foolish to natural understanding.

[mickiel]

[real me...My spirit is. My mind hasn't got a thing in the world to do with the Bible. Spiritual things are foolish to natural understanding. [/QUOTE]



Here is a very foolish statment. And you have made others, but let me deal with this one first. Let this mind be in you that is in Christ Jesus, Jesus is the living word of God, or Gods spokesman. He is the one who speaks for God. God must be very careful as to how he speaks, what he says is then alive and forever pertinant. This is one of the reasons God gave birth to Christ, so he can communicate with his creations. God communicates with humans through their minds. To understand the bible, the living word of God, your mind must be renewed. The mind is the residence of the spirit. Eph. 4:23, God appeals directly to the human mind, but many experience things with their emotions or the human five senses- and call that experiencing God. I dissagree with that.

God does not appeal to human emotion or our senses, he will communicate directly to the mind. God can rasie the level of the human mind to incredible levels. When he does this, you are in a lonely area, and you will always be misunderstood. This is one of the reasons they killed Jesus. It wasn't because he was a bad man, he was a good person, but his mind was far beyound understanding and he was feared for that. Jesus loved God with all his mind, and made what i think is an interesting statement in Mark 12:30. he said to love God with all your soul, heart, strength and mind. These then are the vitals of conversion, the areas God is visiting in man.

But the mind of man is Gods masterpeice. We must serve him with our minds, Rom.7:25. 12:2, goes over the importance of the mind being renewed. The mind and the bible are very important, when the mind is converted it cannot be deceived, it is then spiritually sound, and cannot be tossed by unsound doctrine. Foolish statements as the mind having nothing to do with the bible come out of the mouth of christians each day, even in sermons. It is a religon of pure foolishness.

[darcutm]

If the mind is so important, I challenge you to use here briefly...Romans 12:2 does talk about renewing your mind. But what good does it try do to understand and interpret the Word with an unrenewed mind?! It's your Spirit that's recreated (That which is born of the Spirit is spirit) If I"m trying to renew my mind out of the world why am i trying to use the unrenewed part of me to understand something spiritual.

Here's something else that I suppose will get me called everything from antichrist to heretic and everything in between.
Philippians does say "let this mind be in you that also was in Christ" but you stopped in midsentence with that verse, what did it go on to say (what is the mind we are supposed to let be in us) WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE CALLED EQUAL WITH GOD.

Now back to the mind...Look I'm not saying the mind has NOTHING to do with it, certainly it has to do with a lot of things, and the Bible makes it clear, but like everything else, it has it's place in relation to everything else...

Secondly I apoligize for a sounding rather ad hominim in my posts. I was hoping for many to be edified not a holy war between anyone.

Now I"m by no means claiming to be an expert (it's a shame for anyone to be as ignorant as I.) but the way I figured out the point I'm trying to make was kind of simple...I wrote down on a sheet of paper "I am a spirit, I have a soul, I live in a body. With my spirit I contact the spiritual realm, with my body I contact the physical realm." That only left one other realm "with my soul I contact the INTELLECTUAL realm". Friend, GOD is a spirit. It's His Spirit within my spirit that communicate and gives me understanding and insight. Yes, there goes one step further when I bring in my intellect. But that's after my spirit has "digested" what I"m studying. I hope this helps clarify my point on the matter.

IN HIM

[mickiel]

Today @ 05:58 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=168805#post168805)
darcutm:

If the mind is so important, I challenge you to use here briefly...Romans 12:2 does talk about renewing your mind. But what good does it try do to understand and interpret the Word with an unrenewed mind?! It's your Spirit that's recreated (That which is born of the Spirit is spirit) If I"m trying to renew my mind out of the world why am i trying to use the unrenewed part of me to understand something spiritual.

Here's something else that I suppose will get me called everything from antichrist to heretic and everything in between.
Philippians does say "let this mind be in you that also was in Christ" but you stopped in midsentence with that verse, what did it go on to say (what is the mind we are supposed to let be in us) WHO BEING IN THE FORM OF GOD, THOUGHT IT NOT ROBBERY TO BE CALLED EQUAL WITH GOD.

Now back to the mind...Look I'm not saying the mind has NOTHING to do with it, certainly it has to do with a lot of things, and the Bible makes it clear, but like everything else, it has it's place in relation to everything else...

Secondly I apoligize for a sounding rather ad hominim in my posts. I was hoping for many to be edified not a holy war between anyone.

Now I"m by no means claiming to be an expert (it's a shame for anyone to be as ignorant as I.) but the way I figured out the point I'm trying to make was kind of simple...I wrote down on a sheet of paper "I am a spirit, I have a soul, I live in a body. With my spirit I contact the spiritual realm, with my body I contact the physical realm." That only left one other realm "with my soul I contact the INTELLECTUAL realm". Friend, GOD is a spirit. It's His Spirit within my spirit that communicate and gives me understanding and insight. Yes, there goes one step further when I bring in my intellect. But that's after my spirit has "digested" what I"m studying. I hope this helps clarify my point on the matter.

IN HIM


I do not dispute there being a spirit in man. I just dissagree with the statement "the mind has nothing to do with the bible", that is error. You know there are times that i think scriptures address the mind and the spirit to be the same. What i personally believe is that the spirit of God joins with the mind in symbiosis, simular to our placeing our hand inside a glove, and they form an inseperable everlasting union. After all, the spirit cannot be seen, you cannot look at someone and tell they have Gods spirit, but all humans have the spirit of life. Although God is one, meaning he is just one singular being, i think God himself has more than one spirit.

Its kind of funny, but i used to believe God had more than one head, perhaps three to seven. I let that thought die because it cannot be proven in scripture. God has created many beings with multiple heads. I know that God has at least 7 spirits in him, perhaps many more. I believe these spirits are the source of his power. His spirit is certainly the source of ours.

[Ani Uriyah]

Rauch Ha'Kodesh, it is the Spirit of the Father (Baruch He; Melek ha'olam). The Father (Baruch He; Melek ha'olam) speaks through it, communicates through it, etc.

Ha'Mashiyach (Alav ha'shalom) was anointed with it (Acts 10:38), and cast out demons by it (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20).