Preterism Fault #2 - Confusing 70 AD with future events

[boomer2]

I have noticed many Preterist have confused the events in 70 AD with many future prophecies. Don Preston is famous for this one. He often takes similar words or verses in the Book of Matthew, and tries to parallel them with future prophecies found in the Old Covenant writings. Yes, indeed, the words in Revelations may appear similar to the OC prophecies but if one truly studies each prophecy of Israel, one will find the the outcome of future prophecies concerning Israel is opposite to 70 AD. 70 AD was about the destruction of Jerusalem. Future prophecies of Israel is about the restoration of Israel.

Take notice, Yeshua (Jesus) told the Sadducees and Pharisees that He would give them one sign that He was the Messiah. This sign of course was the sign of Jonah. Most christian read this to believe that Christ would rise after 3 days, but this was not the complete sign. Remember, Jonah was a prophet to deliver a message to the people of Niniveh. He told the people to repent or there city would be destroyed by Elohim (G-d). The people listened and teshuvah (repented) therefore, Elohim spared the city. Yeshua (Jesus) warned the religious leaders to do the same by giving the sign of Jonah. As on can see they did not listen and the city fell 40 years later in 70 AD.

In Zechariah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and many other OC books we find prophecies of Israel's restoration. They are prophecies of the future and have nothing to do with 70 AD. Secondly, they talk about Israel's restoration not Israel's destruction as shown in Matthew 24 or in Luke. As proof, I will show the difference in my next few postings.

Boomer

[boomer2]

As I stated in the prior posting, one must note that 70 AD was about Israel’s destruction and not its redemption. From the time of Yeshua’s (Jesus') death and leading up to 70 AD, the Jewish leaders refused to accept Yeshua as the Yom Kippur sacrifice. They continued with their yearly sacrifices and imposed their “oral laws” onto the people. These laws replaced G-d’s authority with rabbinical law. They had in essence had taken G-d out of the temple and replaced Him with men. G-d gave them almost 40 years to repent, but Israel failed and G-d made the temple desolate as describe in Daniel.

When we read the Old Covenant books of the prophets, each condemned Israel failure to keep G-d’s commandments. The prophets often warned that their disobedience would end in punishment. But each of these books always ended with a blessing. For G-d has always said, if you obey me and keep my commandments I will bless you and your sons.

G-d’s choice was not to leave the His elect desolate. His mercy was to redeem His people. When Israel repents, G-d will come back for His people and restore them and their land. In the following postings, I would like to share verses that tell about a future restoration of Israel. Note, these verses are NOT about the “destruction” of Israel but about the “restoration” of Israel.

Zechariah 8:1-8

1 Again the word of the LORD of hosts came, saying,
2 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'I am zealous for Zion with great zeal; With great fervor I am zealous for her.'
3 "Thus says the LORD: 'I will return to Zion, And dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. Jerusalem shall be called the City of Truth, The Mountain of the LORD of hosts, The Holy Mountain.'
4 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'Old men and old women shall again sit In the streets of Jerusalem, Each one with his staff in his hand Because of great age.
5 The streets of the city Shall be full of boys and girls Playing in its streets.'
6 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'If it is marvelous in the eyes of the remnant of this people in these days, Will it also be marvelous in My eyes?' Says the LORD of hosts.
7 "Thus says the LORD of hosts: 'Behold, I will save My people from the land of the east And from the land of the west; 8 I will bring them back, And they shall dwell in the midst of Jerusalem. They shall be My people And I will be their God, In truth and righteousness.'

Boomer

[dizzle]

Did you even read the other thread? Don Preston is a heretical preterist. This section of the forum is for orthodox eschatology only - no one here in this section would agree with Don Preston.

Also please don't start multiple threads on one basic subject - stick to one at a time and get to know the posters so that you can be a productive part of the community and have well-thought out discussions.

Thanks.

[boomer2]

Here is another Prophecy in Zechariah that tells a story of Israel’s redemption NOT Israel’s destruction that happened in 70 AD.

7 "The LORD will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem shall not become greater than that of Judah.
8 In that day the LORD will defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; the one who is feeble among them in that day shall be like David, and the house of David shall be like God, like the Angel of the LORD before them.
9 It shall be in that day that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 "And I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem the Spirit of grace and supplication;then they will look on Me whom they pierced. Yes, they will mourn for Him as one mourns for his only son, and grieve for Him as one grieves for a firstborn.
11 In that day there shall be a great mourning in Jerusalem, like the mourning at Hadad Rimmon in the plain of *Megiddo.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family by itself: the family of the house of David by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of the house of Nathan by itself, and their wives by themselves;
13 the family of the house of Levi by itself, and their wives by themselves; the family of Shimei by itself, and their wives by themselves;
14 all the families that remain, every family by itself, and their wives by themselves.

Notice, why the people are mourning here, they are not mourning because the enemy is defeating them, they are mourning because they realize that Yeshua is the Messiah. They are mourning because they realize they have pierced him.

The Whole prophecy of Zechariah 12 refers to a time at the end when “all nations are attacking Jerusalem.” During this scene, in the battle of the end of days, G-d will appear (Zechariah 14:4) and will stand on the Mount of Olives. This will be an important event in the future because all will know who He is. It will be at this moment that they will realize “whom they have pierced”. When Yeshua was pierced by the Roman soldier, G-d was pierced. It was G-d in the human form that died for our sins and it was G-d who was pierced for our transgression. It will be at this time when the Jewish people and all the nations who come up against her will realize that Yeshua is the G-d in the Flesh.

By piercing Yeshua, we all (Jews and non-Jews) pierced G-d. How can it be said that we pierced him, since we did not hold the spear? The answer to this was predicted 800 years before Yeshua was born. Isaiah said this, "Buthe was pierced through for our transgressions, he was crushed for our iniquities; the chastening for our well-being fell upon him, and by his scourging we are healed" (Isaiah 53:5). When the soldier pierced Yeshua, it was because of our sin. If we had not sinned, he would not have needed to be pierced. We pierced Him. In the end of days, when Jerusalem will be inhabited by the enemies, many will look unto G-d and realize they too have pierced our Messiah.

Boomer

[Hitch]

I have noticed many Preterist have confused the events in 70 AD with many future prophecies. Don Preston is famous for this one. He often takes similar words or verses in the Book of Matthew, and tries to parallel them with future prophecies found in the Old Covenant writings. Yes, indeed, the words in Revelations may appear similar to the OC prophecies but if one truly studies each prophecy of Israel, one will find the the outcome of future prophecies concerning Israel is opposite to 70 AD. 70 AD was about the destruction of Jerusalem. Future prophecies of Israel is about the restoration of Israel.

Take notice, Yeshua (Jesus) told the Sadducees and Pharisees that He would give them one sign that He was the Messiah. This sign of course was the sign of Jonah. Most christian read this to believe that Christ would rise after 3 days, but this was not the complete sign. Remember, Jonah was a prophet to deliver a message to the people of Niniveh. He told the people to repent or there city would be destroyed by Elohim (G-d). The people listened and teshuvah (repented) therefore, Elohim spared the city. Yeshua (Jesus) warned the religious leaders to do the same by giving the sign of Jonah. As on can see they did not listen and the city fell 40 years later in 70 AD.

In Zechariah, Ezekiel, Jeremiah, Isaiah, and many other OC books we find prophecies of Israel's restoration. They are prophecies of the future and have nothing to do with 70 AD. Secondly, they talk about Israel's restoration not Israel's destruction as shown in Matthew 24 or in Luke. As proof, I will show the difference in my next few postings.

Boomer Shouldnt that read Y-shua and J-sus?


With ony two posts your credibilty rating is quite low. How about addressing the objections already raised before you spout your Israelophile agenda?

[dizzle]

Dude - are you interested in dialoging or you just want to grandstand? You have gotten several replies correcting you on a basic error and you have ignored it.

Also I do think you need to review the forum rules - specifically this section

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/faq.php?faq=campus_decorum#faq_campus_decorum_postlength

[boomer2]

Dee Dee Waren,

Are there Full Preterist on this site? Secondly, Since I started two postings, I stick with these two.

[dizzle]

On the site? A couple but since they are not allowed to masquerabe their mythology as "Christian" they don't tend to be very active but there are a few. They can be found in the Unorthodox Theology section.

However, even as a contra-"full preterist" apologetic I wouldn't advise you to engage them - your arguments are not that great honestly. Perhaps if you tangle with orthodox preterists a bit more you can combat heresy more efficiently.

[boomer2]

Dee Dee Waren,

Thanks for the update, I'll write on the other Orthodox Preterist group.

And yes, technically, it is Y-shua as we do not know the correct vowel constuct of our Messiah's name. In the Aramaic Peshitta New Covenant writings (500 AD scroll), His name is pronounced Y'shua. But in Aramaic or known as the Babylan form of Hebrew, words and names are often shortened. Many believe Y'shua's full Hebrew name is Yehoshua or Joshua in English. Yeshoshua mean "to deliver salvation".

Jesus is a English form the Isues. It has no meaning like the Hebrew Y'shua.

In the 10 Commandments, it says do not take Elohim's name in vain. The word vain does NOT mean to profane it. The word vain here in Hebrew means, do not make it null. Or do not take away the meaning behind the name. god, lord, or jesus does not have a meaning. Elohim, YHVH, Yeshua, and Adonai all have Hebrew meanings.

Boomer

[dizzle]

See Trout's response on the other thread

for your own sake, leave the hyperprets alone

[boomer2]

Dee Dee Waren,

I enjoy debating with hyper-Preterist. I have been debating them for two years on newjerusalemcommunity.net . They have many faults but they are correct on some things such as Mat 24 and 70 AD. Daniel 9 and 70 AD. We all can learn from one another if we set aside our pride.

Boomer

[studyhound]

Dee Dee Waren,

I enjoy debating with hyper-Preterist. I have been debating them for two years on *edited link* . They have many faults but they are correct on some things such as Mat 24 and 70 AD. Daniel 9 and 70 AD. We all can learn from one another if we set aside our pride.

Boomer
Seems like you need to take some time and study the varity of echatological views out in christianity before making the leaps you have made.

[boomer2]

What are you implying?

[dizzle]

Boomer your link was removed for the same reason as the other thread. That forum is well aware of what they need to do in order to be allowed to be freely linked to here. You may inquire of them directly if they wish to reveal that information.

[studyhound]

What are you implying?

That you are using a term without understanding the meaning of it. Preterism has always been in the orthodox camp. Just in recent years, have unorthodox hijacked the name. Also it appears from your postings so far that you have no idea what orthodox preterist hold, or that they even exsisted.

It would be like broadbrushing all premillinialist because JW hold to a premill eschatology.

:sh:

[boomer2]

Yes, you are correct. I thought one was either a Preterist or a futurist. My appologies for the misunderstanding.

Boomer

[studyhound]

Yes, you are correct. I thought one was either a Preterist or a futurist. My appologies for the misunderstanding.

Boomer

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