So What About The X-rated Pornography In The Bible Regarding Women ??

[Proud_Syrian]

The Bible has some really weird things in it that you would really be ashamed to even share with your own little kids!. It teaches you to fantasize about women's breasts and vaginas. It also teaches you to sleep with your own sister!.

A quick answer to the Christian folks who claim that the "Song of Songs" book in the Bible is talking about a husband and a wife: As you will see below in the article, the book is not talking about a husband and a wife. It's talking about two lovers. But even if it was talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself?

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible? How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?


Women's breasts are important sexual objects:

The Bible in numerous places teaches us about women's breasts and talks about them at the same time it is talking about sexual fantasies and intercourse.

Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers: Let us look at the following verses: "We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for? (Song of Songs 8:8)" and later about the sister....."I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment. (Song of Songs 8:10)"

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."

Let us look at Proverbs 5:19 "A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." Could it be meant to say "may her breasts sexually satisfy you"?

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts."

Praising the bed that they had sex on: Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"

Having sex all night long: Let us look at Proverbs 7:18 "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!"

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love more than wine. How right they are to adore you! " I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.

His right arm sexually feeling her body: Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."

Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.

Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?



Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home secretly:

Note: Even though she may not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:9 "You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace." Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:10 "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!" Making love to his own sister? "pleasing is your love (making???) than wine"?

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:12 "You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain."

Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe [showed off his groin in other words] must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!.

Let us look at Song of Songs 5:8 "O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." Teaching women to be sexually too open.

Her vagina tastes like wine: "How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
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I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)"

According to the movie "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's VAGINA. The English translators substituted the word "NAVEL" WITH "VAGINA." Please rent a copy of the movie and watch it. This was sent to me by my dear brother in Islam Mike who embraced Islam just recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

Source: http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

[Exmo-Robertson]

Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

The Bible has some really weird things in it that you would really be ashamed to even share with your own little kids!. It teaches you to fantasize about women's breasts and vaginas. It also teaches you to sleep with your own sister!.

That's a lie and only something you wished the Bible said to make you fill superior. As for teaching some guy to: "fantasize about women's breasts and vaginas" does someone really have to be taught that?


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

A quick answer to the Christian folks who claim that the "Song of Songs" book in the Bible is talking about a husband and a wife: As you will see below in the article, the book is not talking about a husband and a wife. It's talking about two lovers. But even if it was talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself?

It depends on what it is trying to teach. Are self help books on how to have a better sex life pornographic? I don't think so and any knowledge that could help make a marriage better is good knowledge.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible? How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?

I'm going to come back to this one.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Women's breasts are important sexual objects:

The Bible in numerous places teaches us about women's breasts and talks about them at the same time it is talking about sexual fantasies and intercourse.

Comparing the sister's breasts to the size of the towers: Let us look at the following verses: "We have a young sister, and her breasts are not yet grown. What shall we do for our sister for the day she is spoken for? (Song of Songs 8:8)" and later about the sister....."I am a wall, and my breasts are like towers. Thus I have become in his eyes like one bringing contentment. (Song of Songs 8:10)"

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:5 "Your two breasts are like two fawns, like twin fawns of a gazelle that browse among the lilies."

Let us look at Proverbs 5:19 "A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." Could it be meant to say "may her breasts sexually satisfy you"?

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:13 "My lover is to me a sachet of myrrh resting between my breasts."

And what is wrong with that? God created women and he created them with breast and he made them attractive to men. Is God a sinner?


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Praising the bed that they had sex on: Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"

Having sex all night long: Let us look at Proverbs 7:18 "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!"

Let us look at Song of Songs 1:2-4 "Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth-- for your love is more delightful than wine. Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes; your name is like perfume poured out. No wonder the maidens love you! Take me away with you--let us hurry! Let the king bring me into his chambers. We rejoice and delight in you; we will praise your love more than wine. How right they are to adore you! " I don't think this would be appropriate for a kid under 18 to read. Also, I don't think it is appropriate to have such open sexuality in a divine book anyway.

His right arm sexually feeling her body: Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."

I don't know what your problem is but I think a happy marriage bed is a joy to the Lord. It is what God intended for us. It is something to celebrate and I believe that a loving sexually active couple is something that brings glory to God.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:


Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.

That could also read that she brought him back to meet her parents.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:


Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?

Is it teaching or making a statement of fact?


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:


Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home secretly:

Give us the real quote so that we judge for ourselves.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Note: Even though she may not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.

We would have to look at the culture to see if that were really true. I know as a Mormon members all refer to the women members as "sister" Many Mainstream Christian churches do the same, this could be the same type of situration here.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:9 "You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace." Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.

I she this as more support of my last statement. It also shows he is married to her.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:10 "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!" Making love to his own sister? "pleasing is your love (making???) than wine"?

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:12 "You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain."

Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe [showed off his groin in other words] must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!.

I guess you keep missing the fact that he is married to her.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Let us look at Song of Songs 5:8 "O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." Teaching women to be sexually too open.

According to who? You? A wife expressing desire for her husband is bad? Not in my house.


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

Her vagina tastes like wine: "How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.
.......
I said 'I will climb the palm tree; I will take hold of its fruit.' May your breasts be like the clusters of the vine, the fragrance of your breath like apples, and your mouth like the best wine. (The NIV Bible, Song of Songs 7:1-4, 8-9)"

According to the movie "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's VAGINA. The English translators substituted the word "NAVEL" WITH "VAGINA."

And this is bad why?

Let's go bad to the original question of:


Today @ 07:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

What is the spiritual point and wisdom from having pornography in the Bible? How is it supposed to be GOD Almighty's True Living Words?

You have a very narrow definition of pornography. I see it as God's message that there is no sin in desiring you wife. There is no sin in pleasing her and therefore yourself. I see it as not only is loving your woman NOT a sin but something that God would want for all of us. A happy marriage bed plays a large part in a happy marriage. They go hand in hand.

[Proud_Syrian]

[QUOTE]Today @ 08:37 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155080#post155080)
Exmo-Robertson:


That's a lie and only something you wished the Bible said to make you fill superior. As for teaching some guy to: "fantasize about women's breasts and vaginas" does someone really have to be taught that?
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It is not a LIE, I provided the verse from the bible which talk about that.....

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It depends on what it is trying to teach. Are self help books on how to have a better sex pornographic? I don't think so and any knowledge to could help make a marriage better is good knowledge.
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oh right.........I dont need to buy books about better sex pornographic, the bible which is supposed to be the 'true word' of God will teach me about the breasts and other shameful things...give me a break please.

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And what is wrong with that? God created woman and he created them with breast and he made them attractive to men. Is God a sinner?
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whats wrong with that ?? we are talking here about HOLY BOOK, a book which is supposed to be God's words..

as regard to whether God is sinner, no of course not, but the God that I am talking about is certainly not Jesus THE MAN, but rather the one who created Jesus....Jesus is NOT God, he is just a prophet.

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I don't know what your problem is but I think a happy marriage bed is a joy to the Lord. It is what God intended for us. It is something to celebrate and I believe that a loving sexually active couple is something that brings glory to God.
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Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?

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That could also read that she brought him back to meet her parents.
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OH RIGHT.......give me a break.......

[Bib Lit Major]

Today @ 01:51 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155061#post155061)
Proud_Syrian:

A quick answer to the Christian folks who claim that the "Song of Songs" book in the Bible is talking about a husband and a wife: As you will see below in the article, the book is not talking about a husband and a wife. It's talking about two lovers. But even if it was talking about a husband and a wife, then wouldn't you agree with me that exposing your wife's privates to the world is pornography by itself?

A quick reply without having read Song of Solomon lately:

8 Come with me from Lebanon, my bride, come with me from Lebanon. Descend from the crest of Amana, from the top of Senir, the summit of Hermon, from the lions' dens
Song 4:8 (NIV)


Let us look at Proverbs 5:19 "A loving doe, a graceful deer, may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love." Could it be meant to say "may her breasts sexually satisfy you"?

Which is referring to "the wife of your [the author's son's] youth." :shocked: You mean your wife is supposed to sexually satisfy you?! The author tells him that so that he doesn't go commit adultery!

18 May your fountain be blessed, and may you rejoice in the wife of your youth. 19 A loving doe, a graceful deer-- may her breasts satisfy you always, may you ever be captivated by her love. 20 Why be captivated, my son, by an adulteress? Why embrace the bosom of another man's wife?
Prov 5:18-20 (NIV)


Praising the bed that they had sex on: Let us look at Song of Songs 1:16 "How handsome you are, my lover! Oh, how charming! And our bed is verdant"

Our bed is luxurious...the bed a bride and groom had sex on.


Having sex all night long: Let us look at Proverbs 7:18 "Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love!"

10 Then out came a woman to meet him, dressed like a prostitute and with crafty intent. ... 18 Come, let's drink deep of love till morning; let's enjoy ourselves with love! 19 My husband is not at home; he has gone on a long journey. 20 He took his purse filled with money and will not be home till full moon." 21 With persuasive words she led him astray; she seduced him with her smooth talk. 22 All at once he followed her like an ox going to the slaughter,

So, the Bible condemns adultery, big surprise there.


His right arm sexually feeling her body: Let us look at Song of Songs 2:6 "His left arm is under my head, and his right arm embraces me."

Let us look at Song of Songs 3:4 "Scarcely had I passed them when I found the one my heart loves. I held him and would not let him go till I had brought him to my mother's house, to the room of the one who conceived me." So in other words, she was not married to him, and when she found him, she took him back to her bed room to have illegal sex with him? If she were married to him, she wouldn't take him to her "mother's house". She would take him to their house.

Because? How do you know there isn't a cultural situation here?


Let us look at Song of Songs 3:10 "Its posts he made of silver, its base of gold. Its seat was upholstered with purple, its interior lovingly inlaid by the daughters of Jerusalem." Why does the Bible teach young men to spend all of their time and effort to try to impress all of the girls in their town so they can possibly end in bed with them?




Fantasizing about a girl he calls his "sister". [edit]Her vagina tastes like wine for him. And they had sex all night long. After he satisfied her really good, she wished if he were her brother (her biological brother nursed by her "mother's breast" as she said) so she doesn't have to take him home secretly:

Note: Even though she may not be his biological sister, but calling her a "sister" in a pornographic and sick situation as shown in details below is not proper, and may suggest that the sick pervert would fantasize about his biological sister if he had one.

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:9 "You have stolen my heart, my sister, my bride; you have stolen my heart with one glance of your eyes, with one jewel of your necklace." Fantasizing about his sister? at least he shows in this verse that he would!.

And yet, you'd have us believe he's not married to his bride... (my emphasis in your quote).


Let us look at Song of Songs 4:10 "How delightful is your love, my sister, my bride! How much more pleasing is your love than wine, and the fragrance of your perfume than any spice!" Making love to his own sister? "pleasing is your love (making???) than wine"?

Let us look at Song of Songs 4:12 "You are a garden locked up, my sister, my bride; you are a spring enclosed, a sealed fountain."

Sleeping with his sister: Let us look at Song of Songs 5:4 "I slept but my heart was awake. Listen! My lover is knocking: 'Open to me, my sister, my darling, my dove, my flawless one. My head is drenched with dew, my hair with the dampness of the night.' I have taken off my robe [showed off his groin in other words] must I put it on again? I have washed my feet, must I soil them again? My lover thrust his hand through the latch-opening; my heart began to pound for him." What a disgusting way for someone to talk so pervertly about his sister like that!!.

It's not his sister, and how do you get: I took off my robe" as "he showed off his groin?" How could he show her anything if he is outside? And is the robe the only thing he would have worn? What about a tunic?


Let us look at Song of Songs 5:8 "O daughters of Jerusalem, I charge you-- if you find my lover, what will you tell him? Tell him I am faint with love." Teaching women to be sexually too open.

Yeah, it's not right for a wife to be sexually open with her husband...


Her vagina tastes like wine: "How beautiful your sandaled feet, O prince's daughter! Your graceful legs are like jewels, the work of a craftsman's hands. Your navel is a rounded goblet that never lacks blended wine. Your waist is a mound of wheat encircled by lilies. Your breasts are like two fawns, twins of a gazelle. Your neck is like an ivory tower. Your eyes are the pools of Heshbon by the gate of Bath Rabbi.

According to the movie "Sex in the Bible" on A&E TV Station, the Hebrew translation to "Your naval" is referring to the woman's VAGINA. The English translators substituted the word "NAVEL" WITH "VAGINA." Please rent a copy of the movie and watch it. This was sent to me by my dear brother in Islam Mike who embraced Islam just recently; may Allah Almighty always be pleased with him.

Source: http://www.answering-christianity.com/x_rated.htm

Don't know Hebrew...but if you're getting your data from movies...good luck convincing anyone with any research in the area.

[Edit: I know you got this from somewhere else, but I'm addressing it as if you'd written it. The author of the article clearly is either grasping at straws or is unable to interpret the Bible at all, especially given those examples which clearly refer to either one's wife, or a sinful situation in Proverbs. That he could blunder on something like those means he's either dishonest, or not worth listening to when he tries to interpret the Bible. I give the article three thumbs down: :thumbd: :thumbd: :thumbd: ]

[Dr T]

This type of comment about the Bible is present on many Muslim webs sites. yet it is very easily refuted by reading the Bible and putting it in to context. This has been pointed to at least some of these sites, but the comment doesn't get taken down.

My question is as follows:
The Bible we have today is clearly the Bible that was around at the time of Mohammed, and the Koran says the Bible is correct, so how will a Muslim be judged when he comes before the Lord if he has associated himslef with such self evident false statements about the Word of God?

[AcousticJS]

whats wrong with that ?? we are talking here about HOLY BOOK, a book which is supposed to be God's words..


Yeh, we're talking about God's holy book. And here, God's holy book is teaching us that sexual intimacy with your wife is not a sin. It seems that Islam has a problem with this teaching? As Dr T has said, Muslims are supposed to believe that the 66 books of the Bible are also from Allah - so why don't you accept them rather than get all hot under the collar because God approves of loving sex within marriage?



as regard to whether God is sinner, no of course not, but the God that I am talking about is certainly not Jesus THE MAN, but rather the one who created Jesus....Jesus is NOT God, he is just a prophet.


Sorry, where did our view on the deity of Jesus even come into this discussion? I thought we were discussing the rightness of God inspiring a book of the Bible that talks openly and complimentarily about sex in marriage. The fact that I believe that Jesus is the God who created the heavens and the earth (which includes the act of sex within marriage) doesn't alter the question Exmo asked.

God bless,
Jon

[Alden]

This is probably one of the best examples of eisegesis I've seen in a long time. Talk about reading things into the text that aren't there!

Any of you hardcore theo people care to plainly lay out a point-by-point on effective biblical interpretation for proud syrian?

[Sher]

Alden:

This is probably one of the best examples of eisegesis I've seen in a long time. Talk about reading things into the text that aren't there!

Any of you hardcore theo people care to plainly lay out a point-by-point on effective biblical interpretation for proud syrian?

Not to mention that he's got the attribs wrong in several areas ... things the wife says (for example, the robe and clean feet portion), he has attrib'd to Solomon.

Sad how someone can take such a beautiful book, full of loving words between a man and his mate ... and vomit out such vitriol.

A little less pride may help, proud syrian.

And BTW ... way to totally miss that sister is sister in the Biblical, spiritual sense ... not in the familial sense :whack:

[themuzicman]

1) it's not X-rated. In fact, talking about the female anatomy doesn't even get you an R rating, unless you swear or use explicit sexual language, neither of which have been shown.


2) These two people are betrothed. Of COURSE they are enamored with each other. One thing to remember about traditional Jewish marriages. They couple gets married, but the man has to go back to his father's house and prepare a room for them. Then he returns and brings his bride home with him. This entire book takes place between the time they are united in marriage and the time the groom returns to take his bride home with him. Thus, this kind of desire between the two is perfectly normal and healthy.

3) This book deal with temptation and abstinence, as well. Three times it says, "Do not awaken love until it so desires." If anything, the book is an acknowledgement that sexual desire exists, and the embracing of one's own sexuality is a healthy thing, especially when one is married.

4) "Sister" refers to the woman begin a fellow Jew, not a biological sister.

Hope you learned something.


Michael

[Socrates]

Yesterday @ 11:38 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155156#post155156)
Sher:

Sad how someone can take such a beautiful book, full of loving words between a man and his mate ... and vomit out such vitriol.

What hate must be motivating this arrogant Assadian to assail this most beautiful book under the guise of mock prudery.

[The Laughing Man]

I love Song of Songs! And - being married - not just for the obvious reasons, either. It's a great book of the Bible to point out to people who consider Christians "prudes" or "anti-sex." :teeth:

[Bib Lit Major]

Today @ 07:38 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155156#post155156)
Sher:



Not to mention that he's got the attribs wrong in several areas ... things the wife says (for example, the robe and clean feet portion), he has attrib'd to Solomon.

Sad how someone can take such a beautiful book, full of loving words between a man and his mate ... and vomit out such vitriol.

A little less pride may help, proud syrian.

And BTW ... way to totally miss that sister is sister in the Biblical, spiritual sense ... not in the familial sense :whack:

I completely forgot that that is what the bride says: "I have taken off my robe." Not the groom.

[Sher]

Today @ 02:22 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155413#post155413)
Bib Lit Major:

I completely forgot that that is what the bride says: "I have taken off my robe." Not the groom.

Oh ... I wasn't talking about anything you said Bib Lit ... sorry if it came across that way.

:shersig:

[Jin-Roh]

I'm surprised he didn't bring up the ALLEGORY of the two sisters in Ezekiel. :duh:

Sheesh, I sure hope you don't interpret your own holy book this horrendously.

Is this how most Muslim apologists attack Christianity? You're only the second one I've met, but I'm noticing a trend.

[Bib Lit Major]

Yesterday @ 10:30 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155783#post155783)
Sher:



Oh ... I wasn't talking about anything you said Bib Lit ... sorry if it came across that way.

:shersig:

No it didn't I was just saying that I forgot that...and that that was just another example of poor exegesis.

[Bib Lit Major]

Due to the unnecessarily graphic use of some words, Proud Syrian's post has been editted. To keep it consistent, I editted all quotes that included the unnecessary wording in the replies. Notice that I editted myself as well. Thus, Exmo, it is nothing against what you said in that post, but to make sure it was completely removed. PM me or any of the admins if you have any questions.

[Sher]

Today @ 01:33 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=155862#post155862)
Bib Lit Major:

No it didn't I was just saying that I forgot that...and that that was just another example of poor exegesis.

Exactly ... there are even sites on the web ... Crosswalk, for example ... that take the verse sections and put the name of who the singer is for each section ... so there is no excuse to not know this if you are researching for a post, or attempting to ridicule some of the most beautiful words in the Bible.

I'd especially recommend reading it from the NASB ... the phrasing is especially poetic and lovely. :sher:

:shersig:

[djchuang]

Tommy Nelson has provided excellent Biblical teaching about the Song of Solomon, and how it does explicitly talk about love, sex, and intimacy, in courtship + marriage --

http://www.thesongofsolomon.com/

Sex is a wonderful gift from God, it's God's idea! :)

Several other contemporary Bible teachers are also being more honest with what this book is all about, and not allegorizing it.

Why would this book be needed? I do hear of stories out of China where young couples get married, and don't know what to do!!

While in sex-saturated over-sexed cultures of the Western world, people are over-exposed to sexual innuendos + behaviors, it is rather unknown in parts of the world.

dj

[themuzicman]

It's it odd how "Proud"_Syrian turned tail and ran away from this thread? Lots of viable responses, and no defense.

I guess he's not so "proud" of this one.

Michael

[Jin-Roh]

I guess he's not so "proud" of this one.
That's probably because it was really stupid.

bedaa.. dum.. dum.. dum.. another one bites the dust...

[David O]

You'd have to be pretty crazy to be aroused by those stories in the Bible. No one is welding kleenix while reading about Oholibah and the Horse-sized flesh and issue. The Bible is not a titilating book.

[Sher]

Today @ 02:21 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=157210#post157210)
David O:

You'd have to be pretty crazy to be aroused by those stories in the Bible.

Then you just aren't reading it with the right person :brow: :cool:

[Sher]

themuzicman:

It's it odd how "Proud"_Syrian turned tail and ran away from this thread? Lots of viable responses, and no defense.

I guess he's not so "proud" of this one.

Michael


Jin-Roh:

That's probably because it was really stupid.

bedaa.. dum.. dum.. dum.. another one bites the dust...

:cheers: :thumb:

[jpholding]

Though speaking of different verses, this applies just as well to SoS and other images:

As Marvin Wilson reports [Our Father Abraham, 146-7] Hebrew thought and life is entirely different than ours in a vital aspect. Hebrew as a language is not subtle, and does not convey subtle nuances of meaning (it has only two verbal tenses). "The Hebrew authors of Scripture were not so much interested in the fine details and harmonious pattern of what is painted as they were in the picture as a whole." Given this mindset, the earthiness of such passages that speak of "dung" and "piss" (and SoS) are what we would expect and are not to be regarded by bigoted skeptics as offensive. "Such vivid biblical imagery reminds us that the Hebrew people lived close to nature; they were not afraid to face head-on those areas of life that people in the Western world normally either mention euphemistically or avoid discussing altogether." [147]

[AVmetro]

07-24-2003 @ 03:08 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=157414#post157414)
jpholding:

Though speaking of different verses, this applies just as well to SoS and other images:

As Marvin Wilson reports [Our Father Abraham, 146-7] Hebrew thought and life is entirely different than ours in a vital aspect. Hebrew as a language is not subtle, and does not convey subtle nuances of meaning (it has only two verbal tenses). "The Hebrew authors of Scripture were not so much interested in the fine details and harmonious pattern of what is painted as they were in the picture as a whole." Given this mindset, the earthiness of such passages that speak of "dung" and "piss" (and SoS) are what we would expect and are not to be regarded by bigoted skeptics as offensive. "Such vivid biblical imagery reminds us that the Hebrew people lived close to nature; they were not afraid to face head-on those areas of life that people in the Western world normally either mention euphemistically or avoid discussing altogether." [147]

Too true.

[Bill the Cat]

I've got a woman that proud Syrian can be..... well, proud of...

[Warcraft3]

This thread should be closed on account of being completely retarded.


Russ

[Exmo-Robertson]

:thumb: :lmbo: :thumb: :lmbo: :thumb: :lmbo: :thumb: :lmbo: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :yipee: :yipee: :yipee: :highfive:

[Christianotaku]

MY personal interpretation is that song of songs is actaully about god and his"bride" which are humans

[okcitykid]

You have proven why people should not take the scriptures literally. What you quote is poetry. Most poets would be imprisoned in an insane asylum for life if we took their words literally. To understand poetry, you need to turn your television off and live with nature for a few months, and then you might get a better grasp of it.

I think it is big of you to ask such questions about the bible, this is good, and I encourage, but beware not to assume.

Anyways - Good Luck with your studies.

[okcitykid]

MY personal interpretation is that song of songs is actaully about god and his"bride" which are humans
I've not really studied this book - but a protestant chaplain I knew in the Navy was of the same opinion. I would have to say that is more accurate. I do not believe the bible teaches us to enjoy raping our sister. When I was young - all women were called our sisters, but every women wasn't our sister, we just called them that. Late 60s early 70s. To call a woman your sister, even though she is not your sister is acknowledging her equality. So poeticly, you would call her, your sister, even though, she might even be your wife and not your sister.

[Cyrus of Persia]

ROFL@first post!!

It made me think either is the author of first post a anti-sexual human being, or is he just showing up his utter arrogancy about this topic in the Bible (no offence given). Besides, the author seems not to discern between hardcore pornography, and erotic. What is wrong with calling some lover to appraise his wife (or fiancee?) as the Song of Songs describles the marriage hymn (indeed - no word from God here, if you take it literally, it's purely beautiful song about marriage in Jewish culture). And what is wrong with calling your wife a sister, and so on?

I highly appreciate atheists when they show reasonable arguments, but it was like poor comic what i read. No offence again, but try better next time :)