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zeke365
07-24-2015, 09:19 AM
Do You ever trouble reading the bible, I'm sure you do. Pastors always say you need to read your bible but its seems to drain you than actually enjoy it. Now I know some of you like the study bibles as well but the best answer I can give to you is find a bible that speaks directly to you. It should not matter what translation it is as long as it speaks directly to you. Read the the bible and see if you will enjoy it if you not gonna enjoy the bible don't read it meaning if your just buying for the sake of buying.
I'm gonna share a testimony I had 2 years ago. I was slightly reading the NIV bible when I prayed to God that I wanted a bible that read like a novel but was still accurate to His original translation. I don't know how many months after but I was going between The Voice Bible and The Common English Bible. I read Genesis to see if I was going to continue reading it. The Common English bible I like because of some the wording but how the represented Christ in that bible bothered me. So I read the Voice and at the time only the New testament was out. I started reading it was exactly what I was looking for. Now I read a chapter a day every morning in the Voice bible and whats really interesting is that it gives some history and thoughts about each book and spread through out. Plus the The Voice Bible has both the old and new testaments as well. Pray which bible is for you and look for them in Christian book stores and if you find the right one.
I like to mention also when you have the right bible you can't but help share with the world because you understand the bible so clearly that very true for me when I take the voice bible I will let others read it see what they think spreading the gospel through a bible you love.
Thought of the day

Cerebrum123
07-24-2015, 09:27 AM
I don't know about The Voice Bible, but reading a Bible because you like the way it reads/sounds is not an idea I can agree with. After all, one of the big arguments Muslims use to try and promote the Quran is that it sounds good. This is not a good argument. Especially considering the vast differences in what people think sounds good. If we do that with our bibles, then we are going to have even worse doctrinal differences than we have now. We should be looking for translations that are the most accurate reflections of the original languages as possible. This way we can get as close to the theological understanding of those who wrote the various books. :yes:

mossrose
07-24-2015, 09:29 AM
Don't think so. I will stick with the NASB and the ESV, with notes by John MacArthur.

I am wary of "translations" that come from people who say:


According to Capes, though, “People don’t understand exactly what ‘christ’ means. You ask a lot of Christians and people who read the Bible frequently, they think ‘christ’ is a name. Jesus Christ. Jesus is his first name. Christ is his second name.”

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-voice-bible-takes-christ-out-of-the-bible/

Christ is not Jesus' second name. It is a title. It means "the anointed one". It is the same as "Messiah".

If the guy who has worked for 7 years on this can't get that right, then I can't trust the rest of it.

Cow Poke
07-24-2015, 09:30 AM
This doesn't shock me at all, Zeke... it does concern me, though.

One Bad Pig
07-24-2015, 09:43 AM
Don't think so. I will stick with the NASB and the ESV, with notes by John MacArthur.

I am wary of "translations" that come from people who say:



http://www.mediaite.com/tv/the-voice-bible-takes-christ-out-of-the-bible/

Christ is not Jesus' second name. It is a title. It means "the anointed one". It is the same as "Messiah".

If the guy who has worked for 7 years on this can't get that right, then I can't trust the rest of it.
Um, that's not his view. That's the view of uneducated Christians to which he's referring.

That said, I don't much agree with the premise of the translation.

mossrose
07-24-2015, 09:50 AM
Um, that's not his view. That's the view of uneducated Christians to which he's referring.

That said, I don't much agree with the premise of the translation.

Thanks for clarifying. I misread it.

I don't like the premise, either.

Faber
07-24-2015, 09:57 AM
I'm gonna share a testimony I had 2 years ago.
That should be 3 years ago by now.

http://www.christiananime.net/viewtopic.php?p=1643058&sid=e43af12dbca4173d2cca6cbd96a38b48

One Bad Pig
07-24-2015, 10:02 AM
Zeke, is English your native language?

zeke365
07-24-2015, 11:20 AM
yes English is my native language but I should let you know

when I said 3 years (technically 5 years ago 011) this is my testimony of finding a bible that I could read.

The second part is I not saying you should abandon any translation just find a translation that speaks directly to you as an individual
some are NIV fans and are fed by the Word from that translation
some are NLT fans and are fed by the Word from that translation
some are The Message Fans and get fed The Word by that

What I m saying is each translation will speak to people differently just like we are all different people and don't receive the God Word the same, so is each Bible translation it speaks to individual differently and God wants to have that relationship with that individual. For me the Voice Bible speaks directly to me and I can't but share it with others not everyone gonna be on board with that and that okay. Hopefully this explains things a little easier

it okay to disagree but I m gonna continue sharing messages The LORD has gives to me.

Cow Poke
07-24-2015, 11:50 AM
yes English is my native language but I should let you know

when I said 3 years (technically 5 years ago 011) this is my testimony of finding a bible that I could read.

The second part is I not saying you should abandon any translation just find a translation that speaks directly to you as an individual
some are NIV fans and are fed by the Word from that translation
some are NLT fans and are fed by the Word from that translation
some are The Message Fans and get fed The Word by that

What I m saying is each translation will speak to people differently just like we are all different people and don't receive the God Word the same, so is each Bible translation it speaks to individual differently and God wants to have that relationship with that individual. For me the Voice Bible speaks directly to me and I can't but share it with others not everyone gonna be on board with that and that okay. Hopefully this explains things a little easier

it okay to disagree but I m gonna continue sharing messages The LORD has gives to me.

Zeke, when you say "are fed by the Word from that translation", that's a bit troublesome. Because "what they are fed" is pretty important. For example, if I feed you lies, you're still being "fed", but led in the wrong direction. Joel Osteen "feeds" people the Word all the time, but it's his own version, and is quite misleading. Cult followers are being "fed" that cult's version of "the truth".

It kinda sounds like you're aligned with the "whatever floats your boat" mentality. That's troubling.

Dante
07-24-2015, 12:25 PM
Now what does the Bible say about finding something that speaks directly to you:

3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
2 Timothy 4:3-4

zeke365
07-25-2015, 06:00 AM
PLEASE PRAY BEFORE READING THIS SO YOU CAN RECEIVE WITH A CLEAN MIND AND NOT HAVE A CORRUPT MIND!

A couple of weeks ago the Holy spirit gave me a revelation on the true meaning of being a servant. All our life we have been taught to go to church listen to the pastor preach because he the only one that gets incite of the holy spirit (not all pastors are bad and some are walking in their calling.) What about to share is even shocking to me because we have grown up with a corrupt mind thinking the Bible is too hard to understand and that not true..
In reality it’s very simple Jesus and Paul did their calling as servants. Now let me explain what a servant is. A servant isn’t necessarily missionary work, but it is your natural gift that is connected to your spiritual gift that helps you reach people to Christ. Your natural talent is something that people think your talented in and that’s how you minster to Christ.

We are to be servants to other as Christ has been to us. In the bible it’s said in Matthew 22:38-39: Jesus (quoting Scripture): 37 “Love the Eternal One your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind.”[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is nearly as important, “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

This we should do as Christians. Use your natural gifts to reach others to Christ the more I read the more I’m amazed at the simple message of Christ. We should stop looking at clouds for our answers but as Jesus said in Mark 16: 15-18 said Jesus: 15 Go out into the world and share the good news with all of creation. 16 Anyone who believes this good news and is ceremonially washed[b] will be rescued, but anyone who does not believe it will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: they will be able to cast out demons in My name, speak with new tongues, 18 take up serpents, drink poison without being harmed, and lay their hands on the sick to heal them.”

This how you will reach Christ.

This my thought of the day

Faber
07-25-2015, 07:05 AM
Couple of weeks ago? More like 14 months ago maybe?

Dante
07-25-2015, 10:18 AM
PLEASE PRAY BEFORE READING THIS SO YOU CAN RECEIVE WITH A CLEAN MIND AND NOT HAVE A CORRUPT MIND!

A couple of weeks ago the Holy spirit gave me a revelation on the true meaning of being a servant. All our life we have been taught to go to church listen to the pastor preach because he the only one that gets incite of the holy spirit (not all pastors are bad and some are walking in their calling.) What about to share is even shocking to me because we have grown up with a corrupt mind thinking the Bible is too hard to understand and that not true..
In reality it’s very simple Jesus and Paul did their calling as servants. Now let me explain what a servant is. A servant isn’t necessarily missionary work, but it is your natural gift that is connected to your spiritual gift that helps you reach people to Christ. Your natural talent is something that people think your talented in and that’s how you minster to Christ.

We are to be servants to other as Christ has been to us. In the bible it’s said in Matthew 22:38-39: Jesus (quoting Scripture): 37 “Love the Eternal One your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind.”[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is nearly as important, “Love your neighbor as yourself.”

This we should do as Christians. Use your natural gifts to reach others to Christ the more I read the more I’m amazed at the simple message of Christ. We should stop looking at clouds for our answers but as Jesus said in Mark 16: 15-18 said Jesus: 15 Go out into the world and share the good news with all of creation. 16 Anyone who believes this good news and is ceremonially washed[b] will be rescued, but anyone who does not believe it will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: they will be able to cast out demons in My name, speak with new tongues, 18 take up serpents, drink poison without being harmed, and lay their hands on the sick to heal them.”

This how you will reach Christ.

This my thought of the day

You do know Mark 16:9-20 is not part of the original text, right?

Cow Poke
07-25-2015, 10:49 AM
PLEASE PRAY BEFORE READING THIS SO YOU CAN RECEIVE WITH A CLEAN MIND AND NOT HAVE A CORRUPT MIND!

A couple of weeks ago...

Zeke.... it's a bit disingenuous to lead us to believe this is "new stuff" (a couple of weeks ago) when it's clearly something you've copy/pasted from somewhere else from over a year ago (http://www.christiananime.net/viewtopic.php?p=1643058&sid=e43af12dbca4173d2cca6cbd96a38b48).

So much for "corrupt mind". :glare:

How bout a little more honesty on your part?

zeke365
07-25-2015, 11:29 AM
I will start posting dates in the future sorry about that did not see an edit button all messages were were written in 013 the first on and all of 2014

Jedidiah
07-25-2015, 12:01 PM
All our life we have been taught to go to church listen to the pastor preach because he the only one that gets incite of the holy spirit (not all pastors are bad and some are walking in their calling.)

Funny this is something I have never heard of before. Any one else ever been taught that only pastors can be stirred by the Holy Spirit?

Cerebrum123
07-25-2015, 12:08 PM
Funny this is something I have never heard of before. Any one else ever been taught that only pastors can be stirred by the Holy Spirit?

Not me. I think we have another Mickiel type on our hands.

Faber
07-25-2015, 01:40 PM
Funny this is something I have never heard of before. Any one else ever been taught that only pastors can be stirred by the Holy Spirit?

Yeah, several decades ago in a legalistic church. Took my family out of it. A few years later it was learned that he was sexually involved with several foster children. I guess the Holy Spirit must have really been stirring him.

Christianbookworm
07-25-2015, 01:40 PM
Some guy that thinks he has special revelation from God? And yet doesn't realize that God would not plagiarise, because He don't have to and plagiarism is wrong.

Christianbookworm
07-25-2015, 01:42 PM
Yeah, several decades ago in a legalistic church. Took my family out of it. A few years later it was learned that he was sexually involved with several foster children. I guess the Holy Spirit must have really been stirring him.

There's your problem. Legalistic hypocrites make poor teachers. And Jesus would give him a very stern lecture and shame him like the Pharisees were shamed.

Faber
07-25-2015, 01:53 PM
The problem was that legalistic pastors are so high above their congregations that they are accountable to nobody, and do things behind the congregation's backs. There have been many examples of that in the past few decades. We can't question their authority. We are taught to believe that the Holy Spirit leads only through the pastors.

Christianbookworm
07-25-2015, 02:01 PM
The problem was that legalistic pastors are so high above their congregations that they are accountable to nobody, and do things behind the congregation's backs. There have been many examples of that in the past few decades. We can't question their authority. We are taught to believe that the Holy Spirit leads only through the pastors.

Sounds like a cult. Those pastors might just end up scrubbing toilets.

Cow Poke
07-25-2015, 02:10 PM
Funny this is something I have never heard of before. Any one else ever been taught that only pastors can be stirred by the Holy Spirit?

Never heard or taught that - only a cult leader would claim such.

Cow Poke
07-25-2015, 02:12 PM
The problem was that legalistic pastors are so high above their congregations that they are accountable to nobody, and do things behind the congregation's backs. There have been many examples of that in the past few decades. We can't question their authority. We are taught to believe that the Holy Spirit leads only through the pastors.

I LOVE accountability - if I get in trouble, it's the congregation's fault!!!! :smile:

(kidding, kinda)

Christianbookworm
07-25-2015, 02:34 PM
Indeed. According to the Bible, we are supposed to ask questions and make sure what the speaker is saying is true. Remember the Bereans?

Dante
07-25-2015, 06:51 PM
Sounds like a cult. Those pastors might just end up scrubbing toilets.

Scrubbing toilets? That would be too great a grace for them who lead astray the people of God.

2 Peter 2

1 But false prophets also arose among the people, just as there will also be false teachers among you, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the Master who bought them, bringing swift destruction upon themselves. 2 Many will follow their sensuality, and because of them the way of the truth will be maligned; 3 and in their greed they will exploit you with false words; their judgment from long ago is not idle, and their destruction is not asleep.

4 For if God did not spare angels when they sinned, but cast them into hell and committed them to pits of darkness, reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but preserved Noah, a preacher of righteousness, with seven others, when He brought a flood upon the world of the ungodly; 6 and if He condemned the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah to destruction by reducing them to ashes, having made them an example to those who would live ungodly lives thereafter; 7 and if He rescued righteous Lot, oppressed by the sensual conduct of unprincipled men 8 (for by what he saw and heard that righteous man, while living among them, felt his righteous soul tormented day after day by their lawless deeds), 9 then the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from temptation, and to keep the unrighteous under punishment for the day of judgment, 10 and especially those who indulge the flesh in its corrupt desires and despise authority.

Daring, self-willed, they do not tremble when they revile angelic majesties, 11 whereas angels who are greater in might and power do not bring a reviling judgment against them before the Lord. 12 But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and killed, reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the destruction of those creatures also be destroyed, 13 suffering wrong as the wages of doing wrong. They count it a pleasure to revel in the daytime. They are stains and blemishes, reveling in their deceptions, as they carouse with you, 14 having eyes full of adultery that never cease from sin, enticing unstable souls, having a heart trained in greed, accursed children; 15 forsaking the right way, they have gone astray, having followed the way of Balaam, the son of Beor, who loved the wages of unrighteousness; 16 but he received a rebuke for his own transgression, for a mute donkey, speaking with a voice of a man, restrained the madness of the prophet.

17 These are springs without water and mists driven by a storm, for whom the black darkness has been reserved. 18 For speaking out arrogant words of vanity they entice by fleshly desires, by sensuality, those who barely escape from the ones who live in error, 19 promising them freedom while they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by what a man is overcome, by this he is enslaved. 20 For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world by the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and are overcome, the last state has become worse for them than the first. 21 For it would be better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn away from the holy commandment handed on to them. 22 It has happened to them according to the true proverb, “A dog returns to its own vomit,” and, “A sow, after washing, returns to wallowing in the mire.”

Christianbookworm
07-25-2015, 07:30 PM
:shrug: Scrubbing toilets was jph's analogy of what would happen to a Christian deserving of no rewards. Seriously, if they were actually saved, what's the worst that could happen to them? A stern lecture? I sure would not want a lecture from Jesus, but I don't know how effective it would be to a spiritual abuser. Those jerks probably think they're in the right and will get an unpleasant wake up call.

Pentecost
07-25-2015, 09:07 PM
Funny this is something I have never heard of before. Any one else ever been taught that only pastors can be stirred by the Holy Spirit?

At first I thought he meant that pastors incite the Holy Spirit to work, now I see that he meant that the Spirit gives insight to only pastors.

Neither are things I've ever heard taught.

Zeke, your experience of the church is unlike ours. The church you experienced is not the Church, most of us are not pastors, and all of us know our Bible. I cannot help but feel you have been failed.

Jedidiah
07-25-2015, 09:26 PM
I read getting incite of the Holy Spirit as having the Holy Spirit incite them to preaching. I thought of it being an spelling error of insight, but gave him the benefit of the doubt. The sentence was not terribly clear, though you are correct.

zeke365
07-26-2015, 05:42 AM
March 11, 2014

Are you truly Christian, are you willing to be persecuted for your faith? These are questions not often asked in church anymore. These are questions we should be asking instead. Can you tell me that you would be willing to die for Jesus?
Jesus is not just a savior and Messiah for our sins but his Father is Just and right on all things as well as judgement. Weather God decides to save America or not we shall not fear because the Lord the winner in all. learn this lesson well.
Being a Christian is not to be subjected to rules but the freedom to obey the Father. For Christian should not participate in secular actives that may be wrong or even copied. The comping of secular items and turning into Christianity is good but you still bring secular stuff in.
Do you listen to christian music that helps build up your faith or secular music which douses your faith.
Being Christian does not mean you have to give up life but be more cautious on what you take in. Just like anything what you fill yourself up with is what you become.

Dante
07-26-2015, 10:12 AM
March 11, 2014

Are you truly Christian, are you willing to be persecuted for your faith? These are questions not often asked in church anymore. These are questions we should be asking instead. Can you tell me that you would be willing to die for Jesus?
Jesus is not just a savior and Messiah for our sins but his Father is Just and right on all things as well as judgement. Weather God decides to save America or not we shall not fear because the Lord the winner in all. learn this lesson well.
Being a Christian is not to be subjected to rules but the freedom to obey the Father. For Christian should not participate in secular actives that may be wrong or even copied. The comping of secular items and turning into Christianity is good but you still bring secular stuff in.
Do you listen to christian music that helps build up your faith or secular music which douses your faith.
Being Christian does not mean you have to give up life but be more cautious on what you take in. Just like anything what you fill yourself up with is what you become.

There is a big difference between "secular" and anti-Christian. Do not confuse the two. Your clothing culture is secular, for one.

Christianbookworm
07-26-2015, 10:22 AM
Why are you posting stuff a year old? And how does something that's not explicitly Christian douse one's faith? For example, listening to instrumental music of any kind is harmless. Unless you play it too loud and hurt your ears.

zeke365
07-26-2015, 01:53 PM
I mostly just wanted another place where I can share messages that the Lord gave me.

Cow Poke
07-26-2015, 04:11 PM
... listening to instrumental music of any kind is harmless.

You've never spent a weekend at Bernie's!




:outtie:

Dante
07-26-2015, 06:09 PM
I mostly just wanted another place where I can share messages that the Lord gave me.

How do you know that these are messages that the Lord gave you?

zeke365
07-27-2015, 06:47 AM
Apirl 28, 2014

This has been on my heart as of late.
You know in John 14:12
The Voice (VOICE)
"12 I tell you the truth: whoever believes in Me will be able to do what I have done, but they will do even greater things, because I will return to be with the Father."
Well you have heard this message a millions times I bet and heard that how the Church will be great when this stuff happens. You may ask why is it not happening now? Well the sad truth is we do not truly believe our selves we think someone more gifted is required to do these types of task but I say on to you that these are for you and me. So there another scripture I like to point out to prove something else
Matthew 17:20-21 saids "Jesus: 20 Because you have so little faith. I tell you this: if you had even a faint spark of faith, even faith as tiny as a mustard seed, you could say to this mountain, “Move from here to there,” and because of your faith, the mountain would move. If you had just a sliver of faith, you would find nothing impossible. [21 But this kind is not realized except through much prayer and fasting.][b]"
Here in America don't believe this either because it scares us or it not with in tradition but when has Jesus ever been in tradition.
I think if we truly believed this these things, they would happen the reason we don't is it outside the norm.
Now the next part relates to miracles the main topic. I do not think we truly believe that miracles can take place in our lives. Why you may ask it because we have more trust in doctors and medic then we do in God to heal us. Now I m not saying not to go to the doctor when your sick I just pointing out what our thought process is.
Another reason we do not believe in miracles is because we want it to be big show. That not how God operates instead of waiting for this big show the Church keeps talking about it it up to you and me to do these things while led by the holy spirit.
When you go up to get healing ask yourself this main question am I wanting the pastor to heal me or let God heal me? Miacles happen only to glorify His name. But in order for these events to take place we must first firmly believe that we can do these things through Christ. Now that I have shared with you this message believe you have the power to heal the sick, raise the dead because Jesus has given us that authority but truly believe and don't fake believe this. there are two bible verse in here I do not have reference for so please forgive me on that. so If you could reference those scriptures that be great.
Now I say
Matthew 28:19-20
The Voice (VOICE)
19 Go out and make disciples in all the nations. Ceremonially wash them through baptism in the name of the triune God: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. 20 Then disciple them. Form them in the practices and postures that I have taught you, and show them how to follow the commands I have laid down for you. And I will be with you, day after day, to the end of the age.

My though of the day.

Cow Poke
07-27-2015, 07:26 AM
Apirl 28, 2014

My though of the day.

Zeke, seriously, do you not have any CURRENT thoughts? When something is a "thought of the day", one expects it's something recent. And, yes, I see you've dated this to show it's old news. :shrug:

Thoughtful Monk
07-27-2015, 03:35 PM
Zeke, seriously, do you not have any CURRENT thoughts? When something is a "thought of the day", one expects it's something recent. And, yes, I see you've dated this to show it's old news. :shrug:

Personally, I'm still waiting for something shocking to be posted. (See zeke's other thread if you don't understand the reference.)

Cow Poke
07-27-2015, 04:29 PM
Personally, I'm still waiting for something shocking to be posted. (See zeke's other thread if you don't understand the reference.)

Yes, and I requested a side of awe. :shrug:

Christianbookworm
07-27-2015, 04:38 PM
Walls of text are also hard to read. Does anyone know what zeke is saying? New revelation? He doesn't make any sense.

One Bad Pig
07-28-2015, 05:52 AM
Walls of text are also hard to read. Does anyone know what zeke is saying? New revelation? He doesn't make any sense.
It would help if he could write coherent English.

zeke365
07-28-2015, 06:49 AM
May 18, 2014

This has been on my mind as of late.

What the true meaning of church is. I know lot of us when think of church we immediately think of a building. Most church get their foundation from
Matthew 16:18

The Voice (VOICE)

18 This is why I have called you Peter (rock): for on this rock I will build My church. The church will reign triumphant even at the gates of hell.

Well most church seem to focus on the rock and not beyond that. What I to show you is the Peter was the foundation of the new Christian faith after Jesus passed he passed it on to Peter. That means he was apart of this new family.
A lot of churches seem to miss a key factor here and that the church is not the rock but the family in which is associated with. Peter was a normal person like you and me but a lot of times our thinking of church is only focused on the rock instead of the meaning of it.
Not all churches are bad but here another scripture to help you

1 Corinthians 6:19

The Voice (VOICE)

19 Don’t you know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who comes from God and dwells inside of you? You do not own yourself.

I was doing some research and discovered that the church means house of the Lord but it could also mean the body is your temple. So what I am saying you ask? Well the church or the biblical meaning means that we are all apart of the same family just have a lot of distant cousins but if we have the Holy Spirit residing in us that means you are the Church. We the people make up the church but often times it taught to bring people to Church when it should be Bring the Church the people.
Often times when you go to building your in a a church building, the church seems to have this perfect image that we have to live up to in order to be right with God. This should not be the case if we are to accpet everyone an reach the lost.
Another thing is taught that we are to learn incite from someone rather than others. When I go into churches a lot, I feel like there no fellowship like there setting where you can't share with others what you are feeling or going through. This not how Jesus wanted the church to be.
The Church wants to welcome the lost then stop being perfect and strive for perfection. The church is NOT PERFECT and neither are pastors and elders but we strive for perfections. We need to break this stronghold otherwise who can we reach the lost?
The Church should welcome everyone and I mean EVERYONE and we should be free to discuss with others about what we feel the Lord is leading us to to do. It is about learning from each other not from one person. (Don't get me wrong on this and I nothing really against church that are walking in their calling but trying to show you a mindset that has been set.)
So as I conclude this message I will say this the Church is you, we are the church people of Christ make the church and we should learn from one another and not be afraid to talk to one another for as the scripture says
Proverbs 27:17

The Voice (VOICE)

17 In the same way that iron sharpens iron,
a person sharpens the character of his friend.

This what makes the church, church means the family in which we belong to Christ. God wants to have relationship with his new new family and each one who calls themselves Christians should have a relationship with God, but the relationship you have may differ from mine.

Cow Poke
07-28-2015, 06:56 AM
May 18, 2014

This has been on my mind as of late.

What the true meaning of church is. I know lot of us when think of church we immediately think of a building.

No, actually we don't. We're not that dumb. :glare:

Dante
07-28-2015, 10:36 AM
What the true meaning of church is. I know lot of us when think of church we immediately think of a building.

Tell that to those who sing the United Methodist Hymnal Hymn 558. We Are The Church
It also appears in the Presbyterian Book of Praise 1997 as Hymn 475.
I suppose there are many others who sing the same hymn, except for those who lack such traditions. Only an unlearned Christian would think of a building when the word "church" comes to mind.


Well most church seem to focus on the rock and not beyond that. What I to show you is the Peter was the foundation of the new Christian faith after Jesus passed he passed it on to Peter. That means he was apart of this new family.

If Peter is supposed to be the foundation of the Christian faith, strange how only very shortly after Peter's confession of Jesus as the Christ that Peter would suggest something stupid and Jesus said to him, "Get behind me, Satan!"
The rock that Jesus was referring to was Peter's confession, not Peter himself. This is an issue with English translations since there is no gender for nouns in English, so one would miss the fact that Jesus used a feminine noun for "rock", so it could not have been Peter that Jesus was referring to.


I was doing some research and discovered that the church means house of the Lord but it could also mean the body is your temple. So what I am saying you ask? Well the church or the biblical meaning means that we are all apart of the same family just have a lot of distant cousins but if we have the Holy Spirit residing in us that means you are the Church. We the people make up the church but often times it taught to bring people to Church when it should be Bring the Church the people.
Often times when you go to building your in a a church building, the church seems to have this perfect image that we have to live up to in order to be right with God. This should not be the case if we are to accpet everyone an reach the lost.
Another thing is taught that we are to learn incite from someone rather than others. When I go into churches a lot, I feel like there no fellowship like there setting where you can't share with others what you are feeling or going through. This not how Jesus wanted the church to be.
The Church wants to welcome the lost then stop being perfect and strive for perfection. The church is NOT PERFECT and neither are pastors and elders but we strive for perfections. We need to break this stronghold otherwise who can we reach the lost?
The Church should welcome everyone and I mean EVERYONE and we should be free to discuss with others about what we feel the Lord is leading us to to do. It is about learning from each other not from one person. (Don't get me wrong on this and I nothing really against church that are walking in their calling but trying to show you a mindset that has been set.)
So as I conclude this message I will say this the Church is you, we are the church people of Christ make the church and we should learn from one another and not be afraid to talk to one another for as the scripture says
Proverbs 27:17

The Voice (VOICE)

17 In the same way that iron sharpens iron,
a person sharpens the character of his friend.

This what makes the church, church means the family in which we belong to Christ. God wants to have relationship with his new new family and each one who calls themselves Christians should have a relationship with God, but the relationship you have may differ from mine.

Apart from the fact that "church" simply meant a gathering of believers and does not actually mean "house of the Lord", and that when Paul addressed "your body" he was using "your" in the plural (another case of something being lost in translation) indicating that the church as a whole and not as an individual is the temple of the Holy Spirit, not our spirit, I think the rest of your points are pretty much spot on, such as bringing the church to others rather than bringing others to the church, or the gathering of believers in a building that does not edify or bring fellowship.

Jedidiah
07-28-2015, 10:45 AM
No, actually we don't. We're not that dumb. :glare:

Somewhere someone probably is though. Well maybe.

zeke365
07-29-2015, 06:24 AM
July 11/2014

As I reading the book of Jeremiah I noticed all to familiar with the the so called Church of today you may disagree with me or not but it sounds so familiar here verse

Jeremiah 7 : 3 Tell them this is what I, the Eternal, Commander of heavenly armies and God of Israel, have to say:

“Change your ways and stop what you are doing, and I will let you live in this land. 4 Do not rely on the misguided words, ‘The temple of the Eternal, the temple of the Eternal, the temple of the Eternal,’ as if the temple’s presence alone will protect you. 5 But if you genuinely change your ways and stop what you are doing; if you deal with each other fairly; 6 if you don’t oppress foreigners, orphans, and widows; if you don’t shed the blood of the innocent in this land; and if you don’t practice the self-destructive worship of other gods; 7 then I will let you live forever in this land I promised your ancestors long ago.
Have we deluded our self in thinking that the church could protect us and that nothing can with hold just as as the temple of the Lord is here. The way only to fix the mess were in is to repent but how much of us actually truly repent. It sad to say today we no longer care but if you do then repent of your wicked ways. I want to show something else as well. gods in the old testament were worshiped and bowed downed to but we do not have that today do we? Well I'm not sure there any difference only the mindset.
For example a church can be your god. Wait what? That not possible you say isn't that where we gather? Well lets think about it for a moment, You have Pastor that dictates what your suppose to do therefore creating idol on stage rather than God. (not all pastors are bad but this to show you a set up and how we made have gods not realize it.) Second there a praise and worship team of only famous talented people but you can not get in because your not good enough so you set far way idolizing the presence of the praise and worship team.
So we have two idols in the church and what does the 10 commandments say the first and 2 commandment is most important here' Exodus 20:2-6
Eternal One: 2 I am the Eternal your God. I led you out of Egypt and liberated you from lives of slavery and oppression.

3 You are not to serve any other gods before Me.

4 You are not to make any idol or image of other gods. In fact, you are not to make an image of anything in the heavens above, on the earth below, or in the waters beneath. 5 You are not to bow down and serve any image, for I, the Eternal your God, am a jealous God. As for those who are not loyal to Me, their children will endure the consequences of their sins for three or four generations. 6 But for those who love Me and keep My directives, their children will experience My loyal love for a thousand generations.

We have already made idols in the church, Pastor is to look up for incite, Worship team is looked on like were not good enough. Many other things as well.
Now let me tell you this is this any different than what they synagogues did in Jesus time no for church is not built out of a building it is built out of the people who make up that church. The people are the church not the building in which you gather.
Do we have gods in our lives as well I believe so
TV can be a god, for example you can come home and watch TV then a little more then little more until the TV takes over you instead of you over it, This has been true in my own life with my video games, there a point where the products says buy me this and you will be happy and soon is over taken is this no different than bowing to other gods. This message is not easy one but there only thing you should do in church no who the leader is to test the waters not harming them but to make sure there walking withe the Lord.
Not sure where that scripture is but I hope this helps.

Christianbookworm
07-29-2015, 06:28 AM
We're not under the old covenant. And we don't think a deity is somehow connected to the tv. Some people may have a problem with setting priorities, but that's not what the second commandment is about. You do need to realize that most of the Christians here on tweb are already aware of any decent points you are making. In other words, you are preaching to the choir and treating basic math(addition, subtraction, division, and multiplication) like calculus.

Jedidiah
07-29-2015, 10:34 AM
We have already made idols in the church, Pastor is to look up for incite, Worship team is looked on like were not good enough. Many other things as well.

Since this speaks specifically to Israel it is only somewhat applicable to us. As far as it goes it would condemn the USA for all of it's turn to sin, rather than to the churches. Many churches are quite far from scripture, even heretical in many cases. The Church is alive and well even though some groups are falling (or fallen) away. We recognize that the true Church is made up of the believers all over the world and has little to do with individual buildings.

Would you please explain what you mean by the bold part of what I quoted. We already had one confusion resulting from your use of the word incite. I would like to know if you mean insight or something else. And the worship team is what ? My church does not have a worship team we all just worship with hymns, prayer together, and reading and study of the Word.

A little proof reading would go a long ways in getting your message across.

Thoughtful Monk
07-29-2015, 03:50 PM
No, actually we don't. We're not that dumb. :glare:

It hard to read where exactly he's coming from. He reminds me most of the new convert that starts reading the Bible and thinks no one else does. The worst is if he becomes a pastor. (Thinking of something JP Holding wrote along the lines of "a conversion experience and a few verses of Scripture are not sufficient qualification for a pastor.)

I think Zeke needs to learn more before he teaches.

Christianbookworm
07-29-2015, 03:59 PM
I wonder how old he is? I'm 1/4 of a century and have known about the things zeke speaks of for at least 3/5 of my life.

zeke365
07-29-2015, 04:59 PM
understand I wrote this a year ago but when I said "Pastor is to look up for incite, Worship team is looked on like were not good enough." was meaning that Pastors, worship team can be looked on as idols don't get me wrong on this I do think we should sing songs to God and all but what I m saying is that alot of people may look at them as idols instead of regular people. I hope this answers your question.

Dante
07-29-2015, 06:16 PM
understand I wrote this a year ago but when I said "Pastor is to look up for incite, Worship team is looked on like were not good enough." was meaning that Pastors, worship team can be looked on as idols don't get me wrong on this I do think we should sing songs to God and all but what I m saying is that alot of people may look at them as idols instead of regular people. I hope this answers your question.

I think this is actually very common knowledge by now, what with people like Joseph Prince, Joel Osteen, Joyce Meyer, Hillsongs, etc.

Christianbookworm
07-29-2015, 06:30 PM
Why post old stuff anyways? Especially since it's like teaching addition to someone who has passed Calculus.

Jedidiah
07-29-2015, 09:16 PM
understand I wrote this a year ago but when I said "Pastor is to look up for incite, Worship team is looked on like were not good enough." was meaning that Pastors, worship team can be looked on as idols don't get me wrong on this I do think we should sing songs to God and all but what I m saying is that alot of people may look at them as idols instead of regular people. I hope this answers your question.

Again, zeke, I recommend proof reading and spell checking. I do not know what you mean by "incite." It means to stir up or encourage or something along that line. You should figure out what word you are going to use and spell them correctly so we can understand what you mean.

Dante
07-29-2015, 10:59 PM
Again, zeke, I recommend proof reading and spell checking. I do not know what you mean by "incite." It means to stir up or encourage or something along that line. You should figure out what word you are going to use and spell them correctly so we can understand what you mean.

Perhaps it's grammar he needs.

zeke365
07-30-2015, 05:38 AM
July 31, 2014

Lately God has really been been asking me about what does it mean to be free? What is freedom to, is to speak your mind, get out from going to hell? These are questions that have been bothering the the last few weeks. Well as I was searching for the meaning of freedom or being free there original meaning to it that means "To love" This struck me and what does the bible say about love
Matthew 22:37-40 " Jesus (quoting Scripture): 37 “Love the Eternal One your God with all your heart and all your soul and all your mind.”[c] 38 This is the first and greatest commandment. 39 And the second is nearly as important, “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[d] 40 The rest of the law, and all the teachings of the prophets, are but variations on these themes"

Okay what does this have to do with freedom I know I m suppose to love my myself and neighbor. Let take you back a little way why did George Washington fight so valiantly against the British, it because he fought for the vision he had, a country without a king dictating him what to do, but free to love the One who created us. Freedom is the ability to express our feeling to our Creator without being persecuted . We have the right to express our Christian views if we want. Love the person next to you weather they be in sin or not. Pray for people, it is not the people to bring people to church for freedom it is your Job to go out as well the so called church to love and pray for each other that our job that its it.

Thoughtful Monk
07-30-2015, 04:27 PM
No, actually we don't. We're not that dumb. :glare:

Cow Pole is responding to zeke's comment "I know lot of us when think of church we immediately think of a building."

In zeke's defense, I'm making the following two observations.

Certainly TWebbers won't think that. We have taken our Christian walk more seriously than the "average" Christian. So the observation is old news here.

Second, I've been in churches where the Trinity seems to be The Father, the Son, and the holy building. Does seem to be a malady of churches than have been established for a longer time. Maybe zeke comes from one of those churches.

Cow Poke
07-30-2015, 04:35 PM
Cow Pole...

Thanks, Thankful Mink. :brood:

One Bad Pig
07-30-2015, 05:34 PM
Thanks, Thankful Mink. :brood:

:haha: You've got no room to talk, typo boy.

Cow Poke
07-30-2015, 05:36 PM
:haha: You've got no room to talk, typo boy.

Oh, yeah?!?!?!

zeke365
07-31-2015, 07:31 AM
August 31 2014

There is something in the church that seems to bother me. It said that we hare to reach the lost but we should not par take in the activites of sin. I agree with this to an extent, the reason why is how am I suppose to reach the lost if I dont go into those dark places to shine the light with. Am I sinner for doing so no, but you have to be called by God to do these things as well.
You heard me say it before you and you and the one reading this yes you are the church NOT the BUILDING!
So how do you minster well what do you enjoy? For me I like anime and will be going to awa at the end of September but does it make a sinner because I partake of this event no, cause I know who I am in christ and I know another christain who does dubbed anime as well.
This condration has bothered me for a very long time because in chuch it is said that we should gather around other beleviers but not part take in hallwooeen, christamas, or other holidays that make cause us to stubble yes I do agree with other beleviers but I do not belevie you have to hide in a shell thinking everything is evil. It how you go about it makes it evil.
So in concultion I would like to say if you want to go to an event that really like as long other beleviers come with you to minster to the lost at the event you should. Minster does not mean being a pastor, missonary worker, its more of what do you enjoy doing because the event may be dark but all those people just need love remember only if God calls you to do that.

Matthew 10:16 The Voice (VOICE)

16 Listen: I am sending you out to be sheep among wolves. You must be as shrewd as serpents and as innocent as doves.

Cow Poke
07-31-2015, 07:36 AM
August 31 2014

There is something in the church that seems to bother me.

So you go to 'anime events' to "minister"? :huh:

What, specifically, are you doing to change YOUR Church, other than blogging about it?

zeke365
08-01-2015, 06:26 AM
1/21/2015

The Lord has had this subject on on my heart and it something I did not think I would talk about and most people will run away from this subject to, because they don't like it, preach any other than this message but this.
What I m talking about is giving and blessing oh boy here we go . Let me explain it first and you may see a different message here. What i m talking about is NOT tithe and offering say what? Giving is completely separated from this so I will let scripture explain this

LUKE: 21 And then He turned His attention from the religious scholars to some wealthy people who were depositing their donations in the offering boxes. 2 A widow, obviously poor, came up and dropped two copper coins in one of the boxes.
Jesus: 3 I’m telling you the truth, this poor widow has made a bigger contribution than all of those rich fellows. 4 They’re just giving from their surplus, but she is giving from her poverty—she’s giving all she has to give.
Voice Translation

Now I want you to pay attention here the woman gave hoping the Lord will remember her, she may have given little but she put her trust in the Lord. When you give you don't necessarily have to give to the Church, I will repeat that you don't necessarily have to give to the Church.
Here how we should give is trusting the Lord with obedience and let him tell you where you should give. You should give where your getting feed and sometimes that not always the Church I will give you two examples here
http://www.air1.com/ is a ministry I give to sometimes because they have blessed me with their music, the Lord last month told me to give a certain amount and I waited but HE keep repeating it to me to give and I did. I m blessed that I did and I will talk about blessing in awhile
Here another ministry I sometimes give to http://manga-ministry.com/en/genesis to give you a more clear picture here a book that has blessed me http://www.amazon.com/Manga-Messia…/…/1414316801/ref=sr_1_1…
This is the work of a Japanese girl and she truly is blessed with talent I have read this book so many times and cant seem to get enough of it, The Lord told me to give to her ministry which is the site above not amazon. Though I can be disobedient sometimes, The Lord kept repeating me to give but I did not listen for 3 months. So I finally gave that amount last month.
So you don't necessarily have to give to the Church you give to the ministry or place the Lord is leading you to, that could be talking to a friend, helping in finances, or other stuff which leads me into blessing.
before I go to blessing I have something that blew me out of the water and might you to

Malachi 3:10The Voice (VOICE)
10 To rectify this situation, you must bring the entire tithe into the storage house in the temple so that there may be food for Me and for the Levites in My house. Feel free to test Me now in this. See whether or not I, the Eternal, Commander of heavenly armies, will open the windows of heaven to you and pour a blessing down upon you until all needs are satisfied.
The Voice (VOICE)

Okay look at this, it an old testament principle I was trying to find this same exact scripture in the New Testament let me tell you this it not there in the gospels or anywhere I can find, Jesus only spoke on giving.

Cow Poke
08-01-2015, 06:51 AM
1/21/2015

The Lord has had this subject on on my heart and it something I did not think I would talk about and most people will run away from this subject to, because they don't like it, preach any other than this message but this.

And I want to get into that.

Christianbookworm
08-01-2015, 07:11 AM
Is he going to just blog on old material?

Cow Poke
08-01-2015, 07:18 AM
Is he going to just blog on old material?

He's a kinder gentler Mickiel -- he knows stuff none of the rest of us know, and it's his duty to share it. :smile:

Pentecost
08-01-2015, 08:47 AM
Zeke, do you feel this to be an appropriate place to blog? Do you see anyone else blog? You hardly pay any heed to us, so I'm just sort of confused about what you're doing.

Jedidiah
08-01-2015, 02:30 PM
I am giving up on this thread. It has no point.

Cow Poke
08-01-2015, 02:59 PM
Yup - unsubscribing.

Bill the Cat
08-01-2015, 06:39 PM
And as the Dean, I am putting a stop to it.

Zeke, we have rules against blogging in threads in the debate areas. I am closing this thread due to this violation. Do NOT start another blog thread here.