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KingsGambit
07-29-2015, 06:21 AM
Greg Boyd is on an anti-gun kick on social media right now. Just now, he posted: "If Jesus rebuked Peter for using a weapon to defend him against assailants, what would he say to followers who pack a Smith & Wesson?"

I am not sure this is the right question. Putting aside for a moment the obvious counter-argument that Jesus also told his disciples to buy weapons in the first place... it seems to me that the rebuke may not have so much been for the violent action of Peter but for trying to interfere with the plan of what had to happen (very similar to when Jesus said "get behind me Satan"). Then again, Jesus did heal the guy's ear...

Christianbookworm
07-29-2015, 06:25 AM
He didn't want Peter to get killed for trying to stop the mob from arresting Jesus?

Faber
07-29-2015, 06:25 AM
How about Ehud (Judges 3:16), conceal & carry? Didn't even need a permit.

Christianbookworm
07-29-2015, 06:33 AM
There's a difference between descriptive and prescriptive. And there is a time for everything.

Cow Poke
07-29-2015, 07:22 AM
How about Ehud (Judges 3:16), conceal & carry? Didn't even need a permit.

And, for trivia's sake - that's the answer to "who is the left-handed stabber in the Bible" :smug:

Cow Poke
07-29-2015, 07:25 AM
Greg Boyd is on an anti-gun kick on social media right now. Just now, he posted: "If Jesus rebuked Peter for using a weapon to defend him against assailants, what would he say to followers who pack a Smith & Wesson?"

I am not sure this is the right question. Putting aside for a moment the obvious counter-argument that Jesus also told his disciples to buy weapons in the first place... it seems to me that the rebuke may not have so much been for the violent action of Peter but for trying to interfere with the plan of what had to happen (very similar to when Jesus said "get behind me Satan"). Then again, Jesus did heal the guy's ear...

I think it's all about timing..... Jesus was focusing on the prophecy that was being played out, and Peter was taking matters into his own hands. It's not the only time Peter acted presumptuously and had to be corrected.

Faber
07-29-2015, 07:28 AM
And, for trivia's sake - that's the answer to "who is the left-handed stabber in the Bible" :smug:

Speaking of trivia, where does the word "sinister" come from?

Cow Poke
07-29-2015, 07:29 AM
Speaking of trivia, where does the word "sinister" come from?

If I recall, it's from Latin for left or something.

mossrose
07-29-2015, 08:11 AM
I think it's all about timing..... Jesus was focusing on the prophecy that was being played out, and Peter was taking matters into his own hands. It's not the only time Peter acted presumptuously and had to be corrected.


He of the foot-shaped mouth.....

Cow Poke
07-29-2015, 09:59 AM
He of the foot-shaped mouth.....

Yup... kindred spirits and all. :blush:

Obsidian
07-30-2015, 04:25 PM
Greg Boyd is an idiot. Jesus was 1) Trying to get himself killed, and 2) Trying to keep Peter from getting killed. If you just read what he tells Peter, he makes both those points specifically.

Darth Executor
07-30-2015, 06:27 PM
whos greg boyd

edit: "In addition, he is a noted Christian anarchist"

Pass.

seanD
07-30-2015, 10:34 PM
Like others, I've never heard of him. But I'd no longer give him any credibility if he can't figure out something so obvious as Jesus' intent behind the rebuke. Either that, or he's being dishonest to his audience just to make some political point. Not sure which is worse.

KingsGambit
07-31-2015, 05:52 AM
Greg Boyd is pretty influential among more liberal-minded Protestants. He has some good apologetics but I don't recommend him because of his open theism. He also has some other political views I find disagreeable, like taking the Sermon on the Mount as a command against self defense, and pushing vegetarianism from a Christian perspective. He's a smart guy though and I wouldn't just dismiss him as an "idiot".

seanD
07-31-2015, 12:11 PM
Differences of opinions in theology doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as open theism vs. arminianism. If he can't figure out something so obvious as stated in the OP, then he's clearly either an idiot or he's dishonest. Either one is a major red flag.

Darth Executor
07-31-2015, 06:19 PM
Differences of opinions in theology doesn't bother me, especially something as trivial as open theism vs. arminianism. If he can't figure out something so obvious as stated in the OP, then he's clearly either an idiot or he's dishonest. Either one is a major red flag.

I'm not sure it's a matter of stupidity. Sure, the interpretation itself is stupid, but it's also overwhelmingly common in pacifist circles and while I despise pacifism I also doubt every pacifist is an idiot and I've never met a single pacifist who didn't think "he who lives by the sword" = pacifism. As I've said elsewhere, intelligence isn't automatic protection from believing stupid things. People are, if anything, more likely to use their intelligence to make a belief palatable than to dispassionately analyze data and come to a dispassionate conclusion.