do abortionists really care if a woman is raped

[jordanriver]

often an abortionist (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) will use the excues of rape to keep abortion legal.

But are they really being sincere. Do the abortionists (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) really care to keep abortion legal just because there worried some poor rape victim will need the legal option of abortion so she dont have to suffer with a rapist-baby in her tummy.

I bet the abortionists (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) really want abortion legal whether a poor lady is raped or not , and so, why do they use the rape example. are they saying they would allow abortion to be outlawed as long as theres an exception in case of rape?
i bet not.

JR

[neonmagek]

often an abortionist (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) will use the excues of rape to keep abortion legal.

But are they really being sincere. Do the abortionists (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) really care to keep abortion legal just because there worried some poor rape victim will need the legal option of abortion so she dont have to suffer with a rapist-baby in her tummy.

I bet the abortionists (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) really want abortion legal whether a poor lady is raped or not , and so, why do they use the rape example. are they saying they would allow abortion to be outlawed as long as theres an exception in case of rape?
i bet not.

JR
If there are acceptions that wouldn't be outlawing it. It would be legalizing it but with stipulations attached. You are also speaking as if rape is the only example that is provided by "abortionists" which is not the case so you can later try to make them look bad (which you failed to do). You are also incorrectly discribing who you are speaking about by calling them abortionists (which was most likely intentional). You presented nothing more than your own hatrid for people who disagree with you on the abortion issue. If you really do want an intelligent conversation on the issue, I suggest, as a first step, not intentionaly mischaracterising your opponents and their postion, but rather, presenting it as accuratly as you can.

-NeonmageK

[Pilgrim]

That's asking a lot from JR Neo. JR's more of the flame type of poster.

[jordanriver]

often an abortionist (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) will use the excues of rape to keep abortion legal.

But are they really being sincere. Do the abortionists (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) really care to keep abortion legal just because there worried some poor rape victim will need the legal option of abortion so she dont have to suffer with a rapist-baby in her tummy.

I bet the abortionists (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) really want abortion legal whether a poor lady is raped or not , and so, why do they use the rape example. are they saying they would allow abortion to be outlawed as long as theres an exception in case of rape?
i bet not.

JR

The reply by NeonmageK:
If there are acceptions that wouldn't be outlawing it. It would be legalizing it but with stipulations attached. You are also speaking as if rape is the only example that is provided by "abortionists" which is not the case so you can later try to make them look bad (which you failed to do). You are also incorrectly discribing who you are speaking about by calling them abortionists (which was most likely intentional). You presented nothing more than your own hatrid for people who disagree with you on the abortion issue. If you really do want an intelligent conversation on the issue, I suggest, as a first step, not intentionaly mischaracterising your opponents and their postion, but rather, presenting it as accuratly as you can.

-NeonmageK

If you would have clicked they hyperlinked 'abortionists' (http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html) you would have seen the dictionary definition that I was referring to "a person who favors or advocates abortion as a right or choice that all women should have: usually intended as an offensive term." (#2)
http://www.infoplease.com/ipd/A0303692.html

Do you favor or advocate abortion as a right or choice that all women should have?

I don't know why it should be considered offensive though, unless an abortionist thinks they are doing something wrong by advocating legal abortion. Maybe they think there is something bad about abortionists (the ones who actually perform the procedure. Do you think the abortionists who perform abortions are offensive? What should they be called so that I won't confuse them with real doctors (oncologists, family practitioners, cardiologists, urologists, pediatricians, neurologists and others)

Its like 'communist' or 'evolutionist' or 'creationist' or 'socialist' or 'capitalist'

Its just a term that represents an advocacy one might have.

Its only offensive if the advocate thinks there is something inherently wrong with the position they are advocating, but hey, IF THE SHOE FITS............

next:
Why did you say "You are also speaking as if rape is the only example that is provided by "abortionists" which is not the case so you can later try to make them look bad ..........." ?

No I wasn't. There are other examples they use. I know there are other examples they use. But I wasn't asking about those other examples this time. Why post a mega-list of abortionist excuses when its better to post one at a time. Maybe the next time I might ask about one of the other excuses abortionists use to keep abortion legal.

This time I asked about the rape excuse.

Did you have a response to the the question I asked.

I suspect the abortionists just want legal abortion on demand and are just exploiting rape victims in order to keep their precious abortion legal for convenience sake. So that is why I am asking if they are only advocating legal abortion exceptions for rape. If they are in reality wanting abortion on demand for convenience sake, why invoke the rape victim. Why would it matter if the baby is a rapists offspring or not if the abortionists want legal abortion on demand no matter the circumstances.

If they really want abortion on demand for convenience sake, its disengenuous to invoke the rape excuse.

JR

[Minnesota]

But are they really being sincere. Do the abortionists really care to keep abortion legal just because there worried some poor rape victim will need the legal option of abortion so she dont have to suffer with a rapist-baby in her tummy.

No! Not "just because."

I bet the abortionists really want abortion legal whether a poor lady is raped or not , and so, why do they use the rape example.
Because it's one of several valid reasons. Sheesh, What are you, 13 years old?

[djdavo]

yes, im sure abortionists (like any other human being) really cares if a woman gets rapes.

short answer why they use it as an example? it's an emotional example that works for their cause.

[jordanriver]

No! Not "just because."


Because it's one of several valid reasons. Sheesh, What are you, 13 years old?
If you could defend it, you wouldn't have to resort to the ad-hom.
If it was valid, it could stand on its own merit and not have to depend on support from other 'reasons/excuses'.

In other words, if the challenge was "do abortionists really care if a female is a victim of incest" you would say, "oh but there are other valid reasons, like rape"

So we ask do you really care if a woman is raped and you would reply "oh but there are other valid reasons, like incest"

So we ask do you really care if a female is a victim of incest and you come back again with "oh but there are other valid reasons, like rape"

And on it goes because you can't seem to be able to defend any of your 'valid-reasons' on their own merit.

JR

[jason]

Hi JR,

Actually I think it is pretty clear that pro-abortion groups just use rape as an excuse and don't really care about the law.

This was demonstrated a while ago when they were found to be providing abortion to women who were under the age of consent and who would, at the very least, be victims of statutory rape. Yet the abortion clinics don't report these crimes to anyone.

If they really cared about women, why don't they report these crimes ?

Jason

[jason]

If they really want abortion on demand for convenience sake, its disengenuous to invoke the rape excuse.

Of course it is done just for convenience. It is a hard case that they use to make bad law.

Why would you expect advocates for the right kill unborn children to do anything else ?

It isn't like the general case of abortion, unlike the rare rape case of abortion, would make much of a selling point for killing the unborn.

The rape case provides a nice emotional example. Such is the way of advocates for evil.

If they were really honest they wouldn't use the deliberately hard case, because they are not in favour of abortion only in the case of rape, but for any reason at all, no matter how trivial.

Jason

[Minnesota]

If you could defend it, you wouldn't have to resort to the ad-hom.
Defend what? You made a goofy assumption and I called you on it. As for resorting to an ad hom; nothing of the sort. Your juvenile presumption and grammar had me looking into your profile to see why one would do such a thing, but not finding your age, I took a stab. So, are you 13 years old?

In other words, if the challenge was "do abortionists really care if a female is a victim of incest" you would say, "oh but there are other valid reasons, like rape"

So we ask do you really care if a woman is raped and you would reply "oh but there are other valid reasons, like incest"

So we ask do you really care if a female is a victim of incest and you come back again with "oh but there are other valid reasons, like rape"


Gee, could my emphasis of "just," which I purposely put in Bold, have gone right over your head. The reason people do this--emphasize certain words--is to make sure the reader understands that it has notable importance. Got any idea of what that special importance is, jordanriver? Of course you do and that's why you conveniently left it out of your remark above. Nice try (not really). We're not all as dumb as you would obviously like.

[jordanriver]

Defend what? You made a goofy assumption and I called you on it. As for resorting to an ad hom; nothing of the sort. Your juvenile presumption and grammar had me looking into your profile to see why one would do such a thing, but not finding your age, I took a stab. So, are you 13 years old?



Gee, could my emphasis of "just," which I purposely put in Bold, have gone right over your head. The reason people do this--emphasize certain words--is to make sure the reader understands that it has notable importance. Got any idea of what that special importance is, jordanriver? Of course you do and that's why you conveniently left it out of your remark above. Nice try (not really). We're not all as dumb as you would obviously like.

I take it then, that you can't defend the rape excuse.

JR

[jordanriver]

Hi JR,

Actually I think it is pretty clear that pro-abortion groups just use rape as an excuse and don't really care about the law.

This was demonstrated a while ago when they were found to be providing abortion to women who were under the age of consent and who would, at the very least, be victims of statutory rape. Yet the abortion clinics don't report these crimes to anyone.

If they really cared about women, why don't they report these crimes ?

Jason
I guess they have their priorities.

JR

[Minnesota]

I take it then, that you can't defend the rape excuse. Take whatever you like, but afterward please get someone to explain your first post to you and how the English language works. :no:

And of course, lacking a response to my repeated question, your silence suggests a reluctance and embarrassment (?) to admit you are 13, which leads me to believe it IS your real age. Got it :wink:

[jordanriver]

Take whatever you like, but afterward please get someone to explain your first post to you and how the English language works. :no:

And of course, lacking a response to my repeated question, your silence suggests a reluctance and embarrassment (?) to admit you are 13, which leads me to believe it IS your real age. Got it :wink:
I take it then that you still can't defend the rape excuse.

JR