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Simeon
July 27th 2006, 01:53 PM
Inmate follower of Nordic pagan religion due to be executed

By KRISTEN GELINEAU

Associated Press Writer

July 23, 2006

STAUNTON, Va. -- The six inmates gathered around a makeshift altar to pay homage to the Norse gods they worshipped as part of their dedication to Asatru, a pagan religion.

But tension was brewing among the Ironwood Kindred, as the men were known in the Augusta Correctional Center. Inmate Michael Lenz thought Brent Parker had committed blasphemy. And for that, Lenz believed, his fellow inmate must pay.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-sou--pagansinprison0723jul23,0,76214.story?track=mostemailedlink

Tonight, Lenz, who still practices Asatru from his cell on Virginia's death row, is scheduled to be put to death by lethal injection for killing in the name of his gods.

Discuss his faith and practice there of.

GreatWhiteHype2
July 27th 2006, 02:00 PM
Inmate follower of Nordic pagan religion due to be executed

By KRISTEN GELINEAU

Associated Press Writer

July 23, 2006

STAUNTON, Va. -- The six inmates gathered around a makeshift altar to pay homage to the Norse gods they worshipped as part of their dedication to Asatru, a pagan religion.

But tension was brewing among the Ironwood Kindred, as the men were known in the Augusta Correctional Center. Inmate Michael Lenz thought Brent Parker had committed blasphemy. And for that, Lenz believed, his fellow inmate must pay.

http://www.dailypress.com/news/local/virginia/dp-sou--pagansinprison0723jul23,0,76214.story?track=mostemailedlink

Tonight, Lenz, who still practices Asatru from his cell on Virginia's death row, is scheduled to be put to death by lethal injection for killing in the name of his gods.

Discuss his faith and practice there of.

Wow, that's only fifteen miles away from me, and a guy from my church is a corrections officer there. Killing in the name of any God is murder in my book.

Simeon
July 30th 2006, 02:29 PM
Wow, that's only fifteen miles away from me, and a guy from my church is a corrections officer there. Killing in the name of any God is murder in my book.

In this case, killing in the name of god.

Odin, or Thor, a fairy tale or creation of nordic bards or poets of some imagination. Any thing goes because there is no standard rules or moral code.

Durthorin
July 30th 2006, 05:07 PM
In this case, killing in the name of god.

Odin, or Thor, a fairy tale or creation of nordic bards or poets of some imagination. Any thing goes because there is no standard rules or moral code.

He violated one of the Nine Virtues of their ethical code. As such while he is still Asatru, he must accept the punishment for his crime. Suggest you see:
http://www.webcom.com/~lstead/RBValues.html if you think they have no moral code.

As someone on WitchVoX said


As a practicing Asatruar, I was mortified--and outraged-- by the article printed in my city's local newspaper about the Lenz case. Lenz, in my opinion, committed a grave insult to the Gods and Goddesses by comitting such an atrocious act (and in Their names, no less) . He already passed up any hope of reaching Valhalla when he landed himself in jail, and then pushed himself way beyond any kind of redemption when he added murder to the list of his crimes.


Brighid Bless, Dur

Meh_Gerbil
July 30th 2006, 05:28 PM
Uh...I thought these Norse gods were all about battle and war and running around dominating enemies? Did these gods get a new script in the past 500 years or were all the Vikings just mistaken?

Durthorin
July 30th 2006, 06:49 PM
Uh...I thought these Norse gods were all about battle and war and running around dominating enemies? Did these gods get a new script in the past 500 years or were all the Vikings just mistaken?

Not really, the first two Virtues are Courage and Honor.. but the other virtues apply to members of the community or society your a member of. I guess in short its go a viking away from home.. But within your community you have to live by the rules. Which of course includes no commiting murder.

Meh_Gerbil
July 30th 2006, 07:38 PM
Not really, the first two Virtues are Courage and Honor.. but the other virtues apply to members of the community or society your a member of. I guess in short its go a viking away from home.. But within your community you have to live by the rules. Which of course includes no commiting murder.

But how would a Viking respond to blashpemy in the community?

As if you didn't know, I'm working off Hollywood scripts here - I don't have any real knowledge in this area. I'm just asking.

Durthorin
July 30th 2006, 09:46 PM
But how would a Viking respond to blashpemy in the community?

As if you didn't know, I'm working off Hollywood scripts here - I don't have any real knowledge in this area. I'm just asking.

From what I've read the worst punishment the Vikings had (at least to them) was exhile..or outlawing them. Blasphemy against the God's would have bought you exhile. Any punishment further than that was up to the Gods.

http://www.viking.no/e/life/elaws.htm

This site has Viking Law.


The 'ting' was the Viking word for a legislative assembly and a court. A criminal was brought here to stand trial. The presumed facts of the case were established by a panel (Old Norse "kvidr") of people stating what they THOUGHT was the truth.

A jury of 12, two times twelve or three times twelve, depending on the importance of the case, decided the question of guilt. The 'law-sayer' told the jury what the law said about the crime committed and the accused was either convicted or declared innocent by the jury.

If convicted, the criminal was either fined or declared an out-law. To be an outlaw meant that the criminal had to live out in the wilderness and no one was allowed to help him in any way, and he was free game for his enemies. They were free to do their best to hunt him down and kill him.

Simeon
July 31st 2006, 05:18 PM
He violated one of the Nine Virtues of their ethical code. As such while he is still Asatru, he must accept the punishment for his crime. Suggest you see:

http://www.webcom.com/~lstead/RBValues.html if you think they have no moral code.

As someone on WitchVoX said



Brighid Bless, Dur


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Naw, happened all the time in the Nordic world, and due to the fall of Adam and Eve! We are all sinners and have gone astray. some commit the murder in their hearts or lose their heads over the most trivial of insults.

I agree that exile would be a most serious punishment, and indeed, it was Saul who was commanded to banish the witches! And, yet sinned by seeking out a witch to conjure up or communicate with the dead prophet Samuel.

Durthorin
July 31st 2006, 05:55 PM
I agree that exile would be a most serious punishment, and indeed, it was Saul who was commanded to banish the witches! And, yet sinned by seeking out a witch to conjure up or communicate with the dead prophet Samuel.

:teeth: So I should be exhiled.. Hmmmm. I suppose thats better than not suffering me to live..

Simeon
August 2nd 2006, 01:40 PM
:teeth: So I should be exhiled.. Hmmmm. I suppose thats better than not suffering me to live..

Do you live in ancient Israel under the said King Saul?

Better you should live and provide a witness to one and all. But, what then come judgment day?