Submit Your Candidates for August 2006 Screwballs of the Month

[jpholding]

Eh. A few hours early, like the July alumnus results. :rasberry:

I nominate DoubtingJohn just for being who he is.

[Sparko]

TylerIvan thinks he might be the messiah:

the second coming of the messiah going to be a person who grows up in the world and finds the truth and chooses the people or church that has the truth. But the key is, he will find it alone. That person is the one who holds the keys to life and death. It actually might be me.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1584127&postcount=1

(He previously said that he believes the bible 100% but that he doesn't believe any of the miracles of Jesus were literal, but figurative, including the resurrection)

So he doesn't believe that God can bring Jesus back to life after 3 days, but he believes he can do it 2000 years later and the messiah happens to be HIM.

:lmbo:

[lilpixieofterror]

Eh. A few hours early, like the July alumnus results. :rasberry:

I nominate DoubtingJohn just for being who he is.

Can I nominate 'myth buster' and 'FEMA the unwise'?

Crystal

[Bill the Cat]

Can I nominate 'myth buster' and 'FEMA the unwise'?

Crystal
Oh please do. Their level of scholarship is almost on par with Groucho Marx

[jpholding]

Can I nominate 'myth buster' and 'FEMA the unwise'?

Crystal

myth buster won one last time -- he's the email guy who I drew the witch toon for. But he can win for other topics.

FEMA definitely.

[jpholding]

myth buster wins again:


In other words, you dip, he owns their LABOR. As usual you simply waddle brainlessly through the text in English, importing YOUR meaning into the text rather than starting where you should, tyhe historical and social context, and THEN reading the text in that light. Look, stupid:

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnoslave.html



------ sorry Holding, you lose. It's not MY meaning. It's what the text says. You have to take the printed word at face value. You don't get to twist and manipulate the meaning to suit your agenda and conceal the true meaning. A ture and timeless god supersedes any historical and social context. If "God" said people=property, who am I to twist the printed word? All the scholarship in the world doesn't change the fact that "God" said it's OK if your slave dies a day or two after a beating because, after all, the slave is only your money. If the author intended to mean, "The master shall not be punished if the slave dies a day or two after a beating on the off chance he actually died of a heart attack," then that's what should be in print. The clear implication is that the death results from the beating, but you shamelessly pervert the "Word of God."

WOW! A KJVO atheist, can you imagine? :hehe:

[lilpixieofterror]

I think this is another reason he's a screwball

Does anyone care? I sure don't.

His response.

---your continued posts on this thread demonstrate otherwise!

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=81338&page=5&pp=16

Even though most of my post were not even to him or about his stupidity :lol:

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

I cant believe he shares his name with my favorite tv show. In fact teh only tv show I watch now a days.

[Darth Executor]

Biblischism, for accidentally posting with the wrong account and revealing he's FEMA Kamp.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=71221&page=3

[jpholding]

Biblischism, for accidentally posting with the wrong account and revealing he's FEMA Kamp.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=71221&page=3


Oh man....that wins him Lifetime Achievement Gold.

[lilpixieofterror]

I know Dimbo already has sevreal screwball reward, but can I submit him for this stupidity he's giving me?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=81450

Crystal

PS Can you hurry up with the July Screwball awards? I leave on Friday for 4 months :bawl: PLEASE!!!

[Teallaura]

Biblischism, for accidentally posting with the wrong account and revealing he's FEMA Kamp.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=71221&page=3Should have known you'd beat me to it. :wink:

[jpholding]

I know Dimbo already has sevreal screwball reward, but can I submit him for this stupidity he's giving me?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=81450
[quote]

But of course. :hehe: He's won several times already.

[quote]
PS Can you hurry up with the July Screwball awards? I leave on Friday for 4 months :bawl: PLEASE!!!

Ahhh....I was planning on loading it Saturday due to time issues. But email me late tomorrow and I'll send you the file early.

[lilpixieofterror]

Ahhh....I was planning on loading it Saturday due to time issues. But email me late tomorrow and I'll send you the file early.

Thank you :teeth:

Crystal

[Teallaura]

Have a nice trip! :smile:

[Darth Executor]

Have a nice trip! :smile:

She's in the Air Force. Her "trip" probably involves bombing terrorists or something. :tongue:

[Goonerman]

I encountered Squall in the Judaism section who said to me in the thread about adding and taking away from the Torah, "Jesus sinless life ? as a jew he did not respect one single law of his time."

Although Barnasha in the Islam section has treated me with respect, he has said some strange things in the How Islam Teaches us How to Live thread like:

"Well until many centuries later, there was no such thing as "God". We invented the capital letter to refer to a certain entity but to the ancients (Paul and Jesus) this was not the case. the Hebrews (Jews) do not have a 'name' for God like we do ("God"). In fact they say "the name", or "elohim", et cetera."

"In Genesis, God said "Let us make man in our image", and that God made man in to male and female. Seeing as Jesus is a male and not a female, and Paul described him as "[arising] from the seed of David, in terms of flesh", how could we theorize that Paul viewed Jesus as the unseen, nameless god of the Hebrews?"

Why does he think God in the Hebrew Scriptures has no name? How can you have a substitute name such as "The Name" for something nameless?

But this following statement I regard indeed as a genuine screwball:

"But to say God is an entity (or BEing) violates the idea that God creates everything, i.e. every entity."

So God mustn't exist then, even though He is the Creator! We don't exist either. So why am I a Christian and he a Muslim if in reality, or rather non-reality, we should be Buddhists?

[lilpixieofterror]

This one is from our friend 'myth buster' (or creator as I call him).

Hi-ya country bumpkin! Try googling "Mithra" for starters. The Pagan origins or Christianity are well-documented for anyone open-minded enough to look. It's reasonable to say that Christianity itself is a Pagan religion, save for thefact that the cult of the crucifix is alive and well today.
Country bumpkin? Doesn't he know that I live in a city, not the country? Wichita is 300,000 people. Is he too stupid to go grab a book and know what cities are in kansas?

This is another one from the idiot and his ad hominems against me:

Have you ever read that book "What's the Matter with Kansas?" I t sure makes people from that state look stupid!

Guess he has no idea that I'm in the military and I'M NOT FROM KANSAS!!! Yet he calls me stupid and a 'country bunpkin'?

Crystal

[YeshuaMarine]

When you're an atheist who is arguing for Relativism and Subjectivism, you're hopping on one leg to begin with. When you're an Atheist who is arguing for Relativism and Subjectivism and make this claim, you've reach a brand new low:
"I am very familiar with Christian apologetics and I am not in the least bit impressed. I have read Josh McDowell's first book, as well as his other books "More than a Carpenter" and "Mere Christianity" along with many other apologetic works."

I nominate this dude!

[Cynic Sage]

When you're an atheist who is arguing for Relativism and Subjectivism, you're hopping on one leg to begin with. When you're an Atheist who is arguing for Relativism and Subjectivism and make this claim, you've reach a brand new low:
"I am very familiar with Christian apologetics and I am not in the least bit impressed. I have read Josh McDowell's first book, as well as his other books "More than a Carpenter" and "Mere Christianity" along with many other apologetic works."

I nominate this dude!

Well, McDowell does tend to suck a bit, especially with his "tomato in the running-shoe" argument of his.

[Brandalf85]

Wait, Josh Mcdowwel wrote Mere Christianity? I thought that was C.S. Lewis! ;)

[jpholding]

Wait, Josh Mcdowwel wrote Mere Christianity? I thought that was C.S. Lewis! ;)

It was. Screwball plus one.

[lilpixieofterror]

I think n0star needs one for this post:

OMYGOODNESS More better then thous' comming out of the wood works! And with some more simple minded logic and ignorance! "Hey let me quote the whole passage in a bible study attempt to attack his credibility, I'll also toss in he should lay off the drugs HAHAH I'm so friggin smart it hurts! The lord sure did bless me with understanding and logic!"

you too can get up off my grill with your weak attacks on the theory. Paul in corinthians was talking about the MANNA in the passage I quoted, your taken the time to type out the rest of the passages doesn't degrade my initial post. Paul reffered to the MANNA as SPIRITUAL FOOD, like I said.

You proved nothing, not even a little bit, zip, nadda, nothing. PAUL REFFERED TO THE MANNA AS SPIRITUAL FOOD IDIOT! You know that little refrence section, you know, in the middle of the page? next to the passage there should be a small letter corrispoding with the refrence in the middle. got it? let me give you a minute to find it, you might have to call your preacher over to give you a hand.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1591067#post1591067

Crystal

[FrankWalton]

Eh. A few hours early, like the July alumnus results. :rasberry:

I nominate DoubtingJohn just for being who he is.

I 2nd that. You guys ought to go to the triablogue blogsite where they continually run his arguments over.

[FrankWalton]

This (http://triablogue.blogspot.com/2006/08/loftus-on-anderson-on-exbeliever.html) just in about DoubtingJohn. :lol: You won't believe it.

[YeshuaMarine]

Well, McDowell does tend to suck a bit, especially with his "tomato in the running-shoe" argument of his.

That is an argument you're going to have to take up with Mr. Josh McDowell himself.....can't help you there.

[YeshuaMarine]

Though I have never heard the tomato in the running shoe argument, so I don't know what it is. Is it when you have a tomato in your shoe and run with it while its in your shoe? Cause thats what I take it to mean. And personally, when I read his book, I found it kind of incredible to compare a tomato in a running shoe with what he said. Because I saw no tomato and no running shoe. I saw many words on a piece of paper however. So I can't discredit the fact that the man has written about 6 more books than you have. He must be a pretty smart dude.

[YeshuaMarine]

Or is it 50? Something like, what a doctore in theology from Talbot Seminary. Where is your degree from? Do you have a degree? Who are you?

[lilpixieofterror]

She's in the Air Force. Her "trip" probably involves bombing terrorists or something. :tongue:

I work on ground equipment... wouldn't be blowing up anyone.

Crystal

[YeshuaMarine]

Can't we all just get along?

[YeshuaMarine]

Yes as we know, the Air Force is notorious for being on the front lines as well as being "First in Last out." Err, at least Combat Control and Pararescue.....

[lilpixieofterror]

Yes as we know, the Air Force is notorious for being on the front lines as well as being "First in Last out." Err, at least Combat Control and Pararescue.....

Sorry, don't want to be a hero (or heroine in this case). Hero's are often put in the hospigal or morgue... don't want to do that. I enjoy my job anyway.

Crystal

[YeshuaMarine]

I'm bored...lets have a debate!

[YeshuaMarine]

Sorry, don't want to be a hero (or heroine in this case). Hero's are often put in the hospigal or morgue... don't want to do that. I enjoy my job anyway.

Crystal

No problem there.....I'm on your side in the first place :)......a little tongue and cheek against the guy making the comment against you there Crystal...totally respect you guys, my brother is in the Air Force. You guys rock!

[YeshuaMarine]

And an apology for an accidentally offensive comment there too :)

[YeshuaMarine]

I will refrain from Online Sarcasm from now on, it seems to get me into trouble.

[lilpixieofterror]

I will refrain from Online Sarcasm from now on, it seems to get me into trouble.

Trust me, I can be way meaner than you are. Just read some of my stuff against 'myth buster' (or creator as I call him) and 'jimbo' (aka dimbo, master of gas and space, and dim wit).

Crystal

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

Sorry, don't want to be a hero (or heroine in this case). Hero's are often put in the hospigal or morgue... don't want to do that. I enjoy my job anyway.

Crystal

To quote Solid Snake, "There are no heros in war. All the heros I know are either dead or in prison. One or the other."

[One Bad Pig]

Bishadi, for this stuff (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1591205) he deposited in Natural Science:

Life did not begin with Adam and Eve but atoms and energy and once you have a molecule being of energy upon the structure all the rules apply, from there forth, notwithstanding the sole (consciousness… well it’s how we break the rules of instinct), and the lovely end towards immortality, nothing fancy just a bunch of change, energy is not used or consumed, conserved, but never used up and sisappear.

...

If a photon is split and each are an infinite distance apart are they still entangled? Yep. I’ll regard to distance in a vacuum. This is the ‘c’ buster. Spooky? I like to see this as the phenomena of going 4D and this same property will describe prophecy and dejavu.

If a molecular structure has a resonance will it align with the same? Arbitrarily or of purpose? Ah! So environment can affect purpose! This is a confirming fact of evolution and you are one of the first to see this representation so versus arguing take a little time to do your own homework within your own resources.

...

So with a few new areas to apply what we identify as entropy is suspect within specific wavelength to structure systems. Some systems will not give up the goods. It’s almost like it wants to exist or live, have you ever heard such a things? I think it was Frankenstein. Now bring these into physical application, I want to live and why do I or we, this group of structures, do we exist and maintain intent? We are alive and like all life we continue with intent to maintain our resource and now look at what describes a living thing. Life abusing entropy.

And what is interesting is what effect a living thing can accomplish or leave upon its surrounding. In life this is the immortality of that existence (life) since the splash continues forever.

...

Get real! IN fact if you do not believe you are evolved from the chain of your forefathers then you disrespect them. They are alive within you as you speak, how rude and ignorant can we be. We are just too selfish to humble ourselves to facts just because we have not taken the time to learn. Who cares what sheep follow, stand up and learn what makes you tic.

:twitch:

[MaxVel]

Who cares what sheep follow, stand up and learn what makes you tic.

Looks to me like a little pseudo0science mixed with some new age gunk has made Bishadi 'tic'... :twitch:

[Goonerman]

I know this wasn't in the past month nor on the internet, but a heckler at an evangelistic open-air in Dublin at Easter told me that the fact that we do not know the birthday of Jesus is proof that He didn't exist even though there was evidence of His existence, since if we knew He existed we would know His birthday, so, he said, so long as there is no knowledge of His birthday, it doesn't matter how much evidence there is that He existed, for since we do not know His birthday, then He didn't exist.

I said that this was a stupid argument, for scholars are not sure if Julius Caesar was born in 102 BC or 100 BC, and if Henry I of England was born in 1068 or 1069. So did they not exist then? He said that the difference was that Julius Caesar was a famous person in his own lifetime, Jesus was not. I said, "You aren't famous either, and since I don't know your birthday, and since I am not famous and you don't know my birthday, then we don't exist either!" He changed the subject and claimed that Constantine made up the Bible. I said, "Excuse me, but just down the road there is the Chester Beatty Library! I suggest you go down there and see manuscripts of the New Testament that predate Constantine by at least some 150 years!" But he was shouting at me and talking at 100mph, linking this Constantine conspiracy with George W Bush and Tony Blair invading Iraq! What an absolute Spock!

[jpholding]

I work on ground equipment... wouldn't be blowing up anyone.

Crystal

Ooo...she's a Tilkrig. :hehe:

July Screwballs are up though I didn't note in on the toon site's What's New page yet.

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/jul06scr.html

[Mark_S]

can I nominate myth buster for using the words respected and Farrill Till in the same sentence?

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=81623

[jpholding]

Pure gold. Example yet again of a gullible and ignorant Christian who changed his whole life by becoming a gullible and ignorant atheist.

[jpholding]

DoubtingJohn, for this on his blog:


People assail us here at DC all of the time because we dare to try to debunk Christianity. We threaten these believers, so like a swarm of bees when startled they attack. Since we disagree with them they have two explanations for why we no longer believe. They claim that we are either being deceived by Satan (or the Calvinist God), or that we know the truth but we just deny it, or that we are just plainly ignorant and/or stupid, or all three.

Just goes to show there are three types of people out there: Those who can count and those who can't. :hehe:

But after that, anyway, I'm votin' stupid.

[Sparko]

:lmbo:

[Leonhard]

Sigh, they sell themselves as the children of reason and intellect, then they stumble on even the smallest stones...

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

I nominate mythbuster for a major screwball award for this:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1594489&postcount=114


I take it that if your master gave you a wife, you'd just roll with it. You wouldn't feel any need to choose your own wife. All you need is a hole on two legs. And if you did happen to fall in love with her, you'd gladly choose a lifetime of slavery over freedom to be with her, even if your master is an abusive tyrant. Yep, no problems there - these laws created by your god are morally justifiable!


JPH, PM me if you want the unedited version.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Sylvius, for declaring JPH is an unbeliever (!)

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1594295&postcount=109

[YeshuaMarine]

Screwball is as screwball does. In a private message from Carpe Diem, I received this:

Argument from civilization:

Me: Might I recommend you taking your "logic" skills against JP Holding......



Carpe DiChickenem: You can recommend.

I won't engage with JPH for the same reason, Yesh, that I will engage very selectively with you. I don't engage with people who cannot discuss things civilly and with a degree of mutual respect.

I have spoken disrespectfully to you, but where I have done so I have acknowledged it in the same forum where I did so and apologized.

But I try not to waste my time with people who are only interested in being rude and disrespectful. I have better things to do with my energy.

When you post civilly, you will find I respond. When you do not, I simply will not be engaging.

It's your call if you wish to engage with what most people call civility or not.

Michel


Me again: Alright, well since its objectively true to you and "most" people that we are not civil, we shall go away and leave you to your "civil" ways.



Carpe DiChickenem: "We?" Is that the royal plural?

Leaving is certainly a choice you can make, Yesh. And if that is what you wish to do, take care.

Staying and engaging civilly and with a degree of respect for others is another decision you can make. No one requires you to agree, or even to respect a position you find offensive. But your constant ridiculing and belittling does not speak well either for you or for your beliefs. And it's not something I will choose to engage with any further.

If you do choose to stay, I would be interested in that list of books you authored, and the people you have interviewed at the various schools.

Michel

To which I responded...later screwball.

[jpholding]

JPH, PM me if you want the unedited version.

I've worked in a prison, remember? I can think of about 5 different words offhand that would go there. :hehe:

Hm, maybe that's where Buster learned it too....

[YeshuaMarine]

I guess to his "we" issue, we can just say, bow to the masters...right?

[YeshuaMarine]

Well, McDowell does tend to suck a bit, especially with his "tomato in the running-shoe" argument of his.

I'll agree with you in some respects Johnny....and sorry about being too hard on you there man.

[YeshuaMarine]

JP, you can also add this one that Carpe Diem argued against God with....

The earth is not flat as we used to believe.
Science now explains the world around us.
Therefore, God does not exist.

[Darth Executor]

DLW:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1594663&postcount=34


I had a vision last night that President George W Bush might read Greg Boyd's book, "The Myth of a Christian Nation (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0310267307/sr=8-1/qid=1154907915/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-4502797-7731226?ie=UTF8)" and be convicted strongly over the ways he has used Christian-Speak as president. I don't care how exactly it would affect him, just so long as it did affect him as a president and how he portrayed white USEvangelicals to the world...

:hrm:

[Carpedm9587]

JP, you can also add this one that Carpe Diem argued against God with....

The earth is not flat as we used to believe.
Science now explains the world around us.
Therefore, God does not exist.


That is a bald faced lie. You will not find that posted by me anywhere - nor has my belief ever been limited to such a shallow, myopic view of the issues.

You should be embarrased, Yesh. I took you for a better person.

Michel

[Sparko]

CarpeDm9587 is not a screwball at all. He is a very thoughtful and civil atheist who I find refreshing and thought-provoking. He always has respect for theist's beliefs even when he disagrees with them. Sure he is wrong in his beliefs ( :hehe: ) but he is a very welcome member here at Theologyweb, in stark contrast to such people as Myth Buster and Biblischism.

[YeshuaMarine]

Oh I respect him no doubt.....but yeah, he's wrong much of the time. :lol:

At any rate, I think some of his messages have been quite entertaining to say the least. But I'll respect him as an individual, no doubt. He's a good guy....just a bit misled.

[Carpedm9587]

CarpeDm9587 is not a screwball at all. He is a very thoughtful and civil atheist who I find refreshing and thought-provoking. He always has respect for theist's beliefs even when he disagrees with them. Sure he is wrong in his beliefs ( :hehe: ) but he is a very welcome member here at Theologyweb, in stark contrast to such people as Myth Buster and Biblischism.

Wrong? Me? Never! :hehe:

Umm.. thanks, Sparko. Now if you could drop a note to my wife telling her that I am NOT a screwball...? :wink:

[Sir-Think-A-Lot]

I like carp. He does something few athiests here do: he actualy thinks through his beliefs.

[YeshuaMarine]

Okay, fine then...we'll withdraw Carp.

[YeshuaMarine]

Lets instead, since he is earnestly and actively seemingly so seeking the truth, take him off the screwball list and put him on our prayer list.

God bless,
Casey

[YeshuaMarine]

I'm going to try something different here. I encourage all of you to first pray for each individual posted on this list and everyone we encounter today as we go out and fight for the Lord. Its for his glory we stand, and we fight. I will leave you all of with this:

Father God,
I pray for each one of our strong Christians on this site, that they may strive and seek to do your will father. Please keep us strong, focused on the cause at hand, which is your son Jesus Christ. I pray for those who may lead us into temptation today, to say something we might not need to say to turn someone off from your kingdom God. Please be with us, as we do debate in your name, allowing us to shine our lights for your kingdom father in the face of ridicule. Thank you for the cross:

In your son's most precious and holy name we pray,
Amen.

[YeshuaMarine]

Lets instead, since he is earnestly and actively seemingly so seeking the truth, take him off the screwball list and put him on our prayer list.

God bless,
Casey

In the beginning was logic, and logic was with God and logic was God. (John 1:1)

[Bill the Cat]

Squeakybro with a Bronze in the downhill slaloms:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1596979&postcount=3

When Jesus is put back into the world He will carry the title of God. But that hasnt happened yet. Now has it

:rofl: Jesus doesn't carry the "title" of God... :no:

[One Bad Pig]

Squeakybro with a Bronze in the downhill slaloms:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1596979&postcount=3



:rofl: Jesus doesn't carry the "title" of God... :no:
:huh: "God" is not a name, but a title/description.

ti·tle
n.
1. An identifying name given to a book, play, film, musical composition, or other work.

...

9. A formal appellation attached to the name of a person or family by virtue of office, rank, hereditary privilege, noble birth, or attainment or used as a mark of respect.
10. A descriptive name; an epithet.

I hate to defend squeakybro, but I don't see anything screwy about what you're laughing at.

[Sparko]

oh no. squeaky is back. that is enough for a screwball award.

[YeshuaMarine]

I'm going on a limb here.....I'm going to nominate not someone on Theology web, but the maker of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Bobby Henderson....need I say more?

(smeering my name like that, he should be ashamed!)

[Cynic Sage]

I'm going on a limb here.....I'm going to nominate not someone on Theology web, but the maker of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, Bobby Henderson....need I say more?

(smeering my name like that, he should be ashamed!)
That was already done a while back.

[Cynic Sage]

I'm going to try something different here. I encourage all of you to first pray for each individual posted on this list and everyone we encounter today as we go out and fight for the Lord. Its for his glory we stand, and we fight. I will leave you all of with this:

Father God,
I pray for each one of our strong Christians on this site, that they may strive and seek to do your will father. Please keep us strong, focused on the cause at hand, which is your son Jesus Christ. I pray for those who may lead us into temptation today, to say something we might not need to say to turn someone off from your kingdom God. Please be with us, as we do debate in your name, allowing us to shine our lights for your kingdom father in the face of ridicule. Thank you for the cross:

In your son's most precious and holy name we pray,
Amen.

Why the heck do you post your prayer?

[Spheniscine]

Undisputed_Seraphim, for egregious (and, I believe, deliberate) decontextualization (my friend found this here (http://www.serebiiforums.com/showthread.php?t=136858)):
Then again, while I was perusing my copy of the Bible, Romans section, I came across a very interesting verse:
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
So... basically what god is saying... is that nothing good resides in Him, and that even if he does, he doesn't know how to perform good. I find this piece of absurdity amusing. What say you?
Say what?! This verse is referring to Paul (and the human race as a whole), not God!

[Bill the Cat]

:huh: "God" is not a name, but a title/description.

ti·tle
n.
1. An identifying name given to a book, play, film, musical composition, or other work.

...

9. A formal appellation attached to the name of a person or family by virtue of office, rank, hereditary privilege, noble birth, or attainment or used as a mark of respect.
10. A descriptive name; an epithet.

I hate to defend squeakybro, but I don't see anything screwy about what you're laughing at.

C'mon Piggo, God is not a title. He is a being in three persons. A title is something that others can take on, as Squeaky was trying to say that Jesus will do when He returns. Jesis is, was, and always will be God. it can not be laid down and assumed. It is simply who the Father, Son and Spirit are.

[One Bad Pig]

C'mon Piggo, God is not a title. He is a being in three persons. A title is something that others can take on, as Squeaky was trying to say that Jesus will do when He returns. Jesis is, was, and always will be God. it can not be laid down and assumed. It is simply who the Father, Son and Spirit are.
Two things here:

1) His post really IS screwy, because Jesus is God NOW as well as in the future (and past). My bad.

2) Others can take on the title "God", but not legitimately. The title only applies, ever has applied, and ever will apply legitimately to the Trinity.

[YeshuaMarine]

Why the heck do you post your prayer?

Hey Johnny...thanks for the replies. AND SORRY ABOUT THAT PRIOR RESPONSE, lol, didn't realize you were one of the good guys.

Just for encouragement and so that we do not forget what these arguments are all about. It was something that was itching at my heart to be done, so, basically something I felt called to do by God.

[Cynic Sage]

Hey Johnny...thanks for the replies. AND SORRY ABOUT THAT PRIOR RESPONSE, lol, didn't realize you were one of the good guys.

"Good guys"? :huh:

Relax, man. We're just guys on the internet that have discussions, not cowboys shooting at each other wearing black and white hats.

Just for encouragement and so that we do not forget what these arguments are all about. It was something that was itching at my heart to be done, so, basically something I felt called to do by God.

Okay.

[jpholding]

For a bit there I thought I wasn't gonna get any Screwball mail this month, but lo and behold:


Literalist, fundamentalist 'christ believers' certainly shout the loudest nonsense in attempting to defend themselves don't they? And they do so in the most hideous of ways... you can't be serious!!! Contrary to your thinking, most of us can think for ourselves and are fairly intellegent. Your site is just plain trashy... no class. Fundamentalist fanatacal religion, in any form, be it Islamist, Christian, Hinduism, or Judaism... is devastating for world peace and only spreads hatred, intolerance and divisiveness. Get yourself educated. Canadians at least have open minds!

[Ishmael]

For a bit there I thought I wasn't gonna get any Screwball mail this month, but lo and behold:
Literalist, fundamentalist 'christ believers' certainly shout the loudest nonsense in attempting to defend themselves don't they? And they do so in the most hideous of ways... you can't be serious!!! Contrary to your thinking, most of us can think for ourselves and are fairly intellegent. Your site is just plain trashy... no class. Fundamentalist fanatacal religion, in any form, be it Islamist, Christian, Hinduism, or Judaism... is devastating for world peace and only spreads hatred, intolerance and divisiveness. Get yourself educated. Canadians at least have open minds!

He spelt intelligence wrong and your site is not trashy.

[jpholding]

He spelt intelligence wrong and your site is not trashy.

Oooh. Good point on the spelling, thanks, and thanks. :teeth:

I suspect it's a disgruntled Tom Harpur fan....

[jpholding]

Memo to self -- award for Sylvius:



Noach's ark has measurement of 300x50X30 cubits,
which constitutes the word "lashon", tongue.

"lashon" written "lamed-shin-nun" .

if you object the "nun" is at the end and not in the middle, then you're right, but i can explain. (the ark was lifted up by the flood and touched the 50th cubit at the highest level since it was with eleven cubits submerged in the waters, and the mountains were fifteen cubits high an the highest level was 15 cubits above the mountains -- see for this Rashi on Genesis 8: 4 and further, http://www.chabad.org/library/artic...&showrashi=true)

Tongue is flesh.

Flesh, Hebrew "basar", root of "besorah" = gospel.

:lolo:

[Teallaura]

Bigsplit, trying to explain why John 17 doesn't refute his literal reading of Matt 6.

For reference, his original argument:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1595252&postcount=93


Hypocrits....read Matthew chapter 6, Christians should be outraged....OUTRAGED I tell ya. I know I would be extremely pissed if my son were exposed to the public prayers by anyone in his school. It is forbidden by Christ himself. So if "ForHimAlone" is an accurate characature you should be outraged as well. Or is inculturation of Christianity more important than the words of Christ himself on the proper way to pray.

*emphasis mine


http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1595732&postcount=97

The prayer over the wine and bread, was a blessing. The prayer in John 17 was also prayer for them specifically to see and hear. The purpose was so that they would know his relationship with God....and it certainly was not in "Public" as in the public schools, or Roman Courts, or even in the Temple. It was among him and his disciples so that they could see.

*emphasis mine

As well as this bit, (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1595582&postcount=95) if you want it.

[YeshuaMarine]

hmmm, sounds like I don't, I don't I don't I don't believe in God!

Don't take it personally JP, they're just jealous.

[jpholding]

Don't take it personally JP, they're just jealous.


Meh...I never take anything personally. :hehe: That's why I'm so good at pushin' buttons.

[jpholding]

http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/lofiversion/index.php/t33823.html

Jeff Downs (host of the recent conference I attended) talks with a bunch of local screwballs. :lmbo:

[YeshuaMarine]

http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/lofiversion/index.php/t33823.html

Jeff Downs (host of the recent conference I attended) talks with a bunch of local screwballs. :lmbo:

Cool stuff :teeth:

[dizzle]

that was a particularly brain-dead crowd

[JB]

http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/lofiversion/index.php/t33823.html

Jeff Downs (host of the recent conference I attended) talks with a bunch of local screwballs. :lmbo:

The screwballs have dared to infest the forum of my local newpaper? :glare:

Nooooooooo....

It's a shame Jeff departed from there a few days ago... :frown: I would've enjoyed stepping in while he was still there.

[YeshuaMarine]

I nominate a new name to the floor. My old college History Professor Dr. Sellars for using Harper's Magazine as a resource against the Bible and for misspelling Bart Ehrman's name and claiming he laid claims to a mythical Christ. "It's Erdman. "Bart D. Erdman is a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and chairman of the Department of Religious Studies," as he is identified." That is one thing I think Mr. Ehrman himself would disagree with.

[JB]

I nominate a new name to the floor. My old college History Professor Dr. Sellars for using Harper's Magazine as a resource against the Bible and for misspelling Bart Ehrman's name and claiming he laid claims to a mythical Christ. "It's Erdman. "Bart D. Erdman is a professor at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, and chairman of the Department of Religious Studies," as he is identified." That is one thing I think Mr. Ehrman himself would disagree with.

:lol: Don't you just love it when they can't even get the name correct?

[jpholding]

Email just in....


After studying the history of the bible for many years, I have come to the conclusion that people like yourselves are the ones that continue to preach intolerance, bigotry, hatred and are intent in having religion destroy humankind. While you may try to undermine Helen Ellerbe in her book "The Dark Side of Christian History", you might as well deny the holocaust. Christian history cannot be denied and people such as yourselves embrace the putrid teachings of a religion that has brought misery to countless millions for thousands of years. Isn't it ironic that you will defend the bible when no one even knows who wrote most of it or when. If the man Jesus and God ever come back to this planet, he will send you and your followers to the hell you deserve for your treatment of fellow human beings.

:lolo: :lmbo:

[YeshuaMarine]

Email just in....



:lolo: :lmbo:

Is that one of those FSM guys?

[jpholding]

Is that one of those FSM guys?

I don't think so. They probably just found my review (written by Punkish) of Ellerbee and got so mad they wrote at once. They clearly have no idea that I deal with authorship issues on the site.

[Ishmael]

I don't think so. They probably just found my review (written by Punkish) of Ellerbee and got so mad they wrote at once. They clearly have no idea that I deal with authorship issues on the site.
Maybe he read your authorship material and didn't find it compelling...

[jpholding]

Maybe he read your authorship material and didn't find it compelling...

That'd be a far too generous reading. I think you're just being contrary. :tongue:

Follow up email from the same, after I told him he'd won an award:


Thanks...there are more and more of us award winners out here. We don't hide the truth and we don't bury it. We don't try to control others and we don't condem them. As Thomas Jefferson said "Millions of innocent men, women, and children, since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined, imprisoned; yet we have not advanced one inch towards uniformity. What has been the effect of coercion? To make one half of the world fools, and the other half hypocrites. To support error and roguery all over the earth". Your kind, your religion and the others of the world are the most dangerous ideas that man has ever known. Your bible was written by tribespeople unlike today's Taliban and it is on your religion's shoulders to understand what it has done to humanity and the terrors it still imposes. Your religion needs to end for humanity to survive. Try studying something besides the Bible and open the mind that Christianity has taught you to close. You and all of us will be better for it

[Ishmael]

That'd be a far too generous reading. I think you're just being contrary. :tongue:

Follow up email from the same, after I told him he'd won an award:
I agree with him this time, well mostly... though I probably would try and leave out the emotionalism and be less broad if I were to say all that.

[YeshuaMarine]

I agree with him this time, well mostly... though I probably would try and leave out the emotionalism and be less broad if I were to say all that.

Oh well, sucks to be you.

[jpholding]

I agree with him this time, well mostly... though I probably would try and leave out the emotionalism and be less broad if I were to say all that.

Well, then I'll tell you what I told him...give my regards to Joe Stalin. :thumb:

Do you agree with him that I am closed-minded, or is that one of the places you disagree?

Not that Tom Jefferson was any sort of worthwhile social scientist to begin with. :hehe: He should have stuck with inventing the folding chair.

[aikidoka]

Someone asked:

Let's say God has the ability to make a rock so heavy he cannot lift it, would that not in itself prove his imperfection, the mere fact that he has the ability to be flawed? Also, what if he did not have the power, what then?

I said:

This type of question is similar to asking what would happen if an irresistable force met an immovable object. That question is nonsense because it places two mutually exclusive entities in realationship to one another. In other words, if the force really is irresistable, then no object is immovable and vice versa for the object. Merely placing God in such a sentence doesnt make it any less nonsense or avoid its inherent and fatal flaws, that precede actuality at even our level, because of such internal problems in structure.

---

Granted, others have said it better, but I still think this kid's response (http://forum.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=messageboard.viewThread&groupID=100096596&page=1&EntryID=21238046&CategoryID=0&get=1&adTopicId=0&lastpagesent=0&Mytoken=A4D53531-414E-47B2-958F2D6C541A043566393984) is whacked:

Mark's comparison of the omnipotence paradox with the irresistable force paradox is concerning only your presentation with the stone but does not address the underlying paradox of the omnipotent being performing an action which causes it to be non-omnipotent. The irresistable force paradox has long been understood as an exercise in logical reasoning moreso than an actual postulation of a possible reality. The omnipotence paradox concerns itself not as an excercise but as a proposed reality, so the semantical approach Mark took with arguing against the proposition is a bit lost.

At least he cant delete this since it isnt in his blog this time.

[TuckEverlasting]

From YeshuaMarine's blog (http://jesusjustforyou.blogspot.com/):

The true origins are further illustrated through Timothy Leary. We actually have no recorded record of Evolution until around the 1940’s when Timothy Leary lived. The rise of LSD also led to the rise of Evolution during this time period. As we can see, this chart actually proves that Evolution and LSD have a direct correlation:

1940-2000
1940-2000

Teaching of Evolution in School %
LSD Profit (in millions)

25
25,000.00
1940
36
40,000.00
1950
45
50,000.00
1960
55
60,000.00
1970
50
55,000.00
1980
40
35,000.00
1990
25
30,000.00
2000

As we can see, the direct correlation between drugs and Evolution is rightly integrated through the humanistic writings of Timothy Leary to various school systems and his percentage of the sale of drugs.

:twitch:

[YeshuaMarine]

From YeshuaMarine's blog (http://jesusjustforyou.blogspot.com/):

The true origins are further illustrated through Timothy Leary. We actually have no recorded record of Evolution until around the 1940’s when Timothy Leary lived. The rise of LSD also led to the rise of Evolution during this time period. As we can see, this chart actually proves that Evolution and LSD have a direct correlation:

1940-2000
1940-2000

Teaching of Evolution in School %
LSD Profit (in millions)

25
25,000.00
1940
36
40,000.00
1950
45
50,000.00
1960
55
60,000.00
1970
50
55,000.00
1980
40
35,000.00
1990
25
30,000.00
2000

As we can see, the direct correlation between drugs and Evolution is rightly integrated through the humanistic writings of Timothy Leary to various school systems and his percentage of the sale of drugs.

:twitch:

HAHAHAHA Thanks for the nomination! Please keep in mind, this intentionally a screwball item directed against actual screwball Jesus mythers.

[Sparko]

From YeshuaMarine's blog (http://jesusjustforyou.blogspot.com/):

The true origins are further illustrated through Timothy Leary. We actually have no recorded record of Evolution until around the 1940’s when Timothy Leary lived. The rise of LSD also led to the rise of Evolution during this time period. As we can see, this chart actually proves that Evolution and LSD have a direct correlation:

1940-2000
1940-2000

Teaching of Evolution in School %
LSD Profit (in millions)

25
25,000.00
1940
36
40,000.00
1950
45
50,000.00
1960
55
60,000.00
1970
50
55,000.00
1980
40
35,000.00
1990
25
30,000.00
2000

As we can see, the direct correlation between drugs and Evolution is rightly integrated through the humanistic writings of Timothy Leary to various school systems and his percentage of the sale of drugs.

:twitch:

he further goes on to try to prove that Charles Darwin never existed.

It has to be a parody of the Christ Myth, no? I think its all in fun. He can't be serious about all that.

[Darth Executor]

Tuck did not detect a parody? You have failed your sensei grasshopper.

[TuckEverlasting]

So it is. :doh: Carry on, then. :smile:

[Sparko]

So it is. :doh: Carry on, then. :smile:

yeah the clue was in the first sentence:

In recent light of the Da Vinci Code...I have come up with an even greater idea that bears just as much truth as the Da Vinci Code itself

:sherlock:

[TuckEverlasting]

I was only skimming it and didn't realize it was part of the same post.

[YeshuaMarine]

Eh no biggie, you're not the first people to not take me seriously,..lol (and with good reason sometimes)

[Sparko]

Eh no biggie, you're not the first people to not take me seriously,..lol (and with good reason sometimes)

NOT to take you serious?

Are you saying that your article was NOT a parody? That you really don't think Charles Darwin existed?

:confused:

[lilpixieofterror]

Ooo...she's a Tilkrig. :hehe:

Ummmm.... what does that mean?

Crystal

[Teallaura]

Ummmm.... what does that mean?

Crystal

You'll find out...

http://www.tektoonics.com/

:whistle:

[YeshuaMarine]

NOT to take you serious?

Are you saying that your article was NOT a parody? That you really don't think Charles Darwin existed?

:confused:

No that was tongue in cheek for don't always take me seriously. (in other words, yes the story is a hoax and meant to be funny, not serious).

[jpholding]

Ummmm.... what does that mean?

Crystal

Yep. Follow the link and prepare to become another Hearthstone junkie. :hehe:

[YeshuFighter]

Screwball is as a screwball does:

Glenn Morton is at it again. Guess what? I got him to respond to my critique on one of his articles. The response he gave was BRILLIANT! This is what Evolution has to offer? Yeah, they are in some serious danger, "Quote: Originally posted by YeshuaMarine

I think here is a good place to put Glenn Morton's paper which I have revised for accuracy: Glenn R. Morton has a long history of making and repeating fallacious arguments against creationist scientists.

Yes indeedy....lets take Glenn Morton's evidence here:

http://home.entouch.net/dmd/moreandmore.htm

Now lets take out Mr. Glenn Morton's opinion at the end here......

Seeing all this, one can reasonably ask the question: When exactly will the demise of evolution be apparent to the rest of us?

And we can reasonably give the answer. Lets take a look at the evidence provided. What we see, if we actually take into account "Trends" is that these accounts are becoming more and more well substantiated over the last 15 years with the inbreeding of Intelligent Design Theorem. What should this mean? It means, the demise is evident already! The problem is that Mr. Glenn Morton is blind to his own evidence. Oh well, you can lead a blind horse to water, but you can't make him drink, right?


I have been fascinated by how minority opinions seem to have people who think everyone else is finally coming over to their viewpoint. It seems to be one of those psychological needs in the minority opinion to think that they are making progress, even if they aren't. I am reading a soon to be published book which I was sent for review. They had a great non-creationist, non-antievolutionary example of this more-and-more phenomenon.


Robert Schadewald, Worlds of Their Own: Insights into PseudoScience from Creationism to the End Times, Ed. by Lois Schadewald, (Excelsior, Minn., SangFroid Press, 2006), p. 117
The high point came in 1969, when the U. S. landed men on the moon.

That, according to Johnson, is nonsense, because the moon landings were faked by Hollywood studios. He even names the man who wrote the scripts: he science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke. But he acknowledges taht the moon landings were at least partly successful.

'Until then,' he says, 'almost no one seriously considered the world a ball. The landings converted a few of them, but many are coming back now and getting off of it."


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
© source where applicable


This quote is from the flat-earth society president Charlie Johnson. He saw progress in convincing people of the flat earth because people were leaving the spherical camp after the moon landing. What a load of hooey.

That guy also thought that the death of FDR prevented the governments of the world from declaring the world flat with FDR being elected president of the world and ruling from the UN.

BTW, I am about 3/4 through with Schadewald's book and it is a fantastic read. He covers perpetual motion machines, flat earthers, creationism. He points out that every English-speaking flat earther is a flat earther because of his interpretation of the Bible. In fact one quote in the book has a flat earther chiding the sphericist anti-evolutionists for straining out the gnat of evolution while swallowing the camel of a modern astronomy!

If I were to look, I bet I could find similar more-and-more statements among political devotees and long-time Red-sox fans."

I'm still trying to find out how baseball has anything to do with Science? About the same as politics and Science I guess.....who knows? I have a full detailed analysis on my blog, though I'm not sure why I'm wasting my time. "Dr. Strawman is at it again" is the title....: http://jesusjustforyou.blogspot.com/2006/08/dr-strawman-is-at-it-again.html

[YeshuaMarine]

Last time I looked a circle is a two dimensional structure. i.e. flat. I usually try to pitch my tent over flat ground. Don't you?

Frumious

yet another one who believes that Christians believe the world to be flat???? HUH! The Bible clearly does not state that in Isaiah 40:22.

[jpholding]

This is NOT a Screwball Award. It is a very poignant email I got that I wanted everyone to see.




I found your site today as a link from ASA Jones' www.ex-atheist.com. Right away I knew that I had hit on something valuable, especially when I read Why Johny Can't Believe.

I want to tell you, first, that I have been a Christian since I was 11. I attended a Christian school from sixth to twelfth grade. I then attended a secular university, where I got a cold, hard dose of reality: not everyone is a Christian, and many who aren't have better arguments than I for their beliefs (or lack thereof). Though I was shocked by this, my faith held strong. I was, however, disappointed by my Christian school's lack of willingness to give us any kind of apologetic foundation. We learned to memorize Scripture, and we studied the Bible, but not in any real depth. Questions or honest inquiries were not tolerated. (I actually saw this problem in other areas, too: as an English major, I found that I could comprehend every word on a page, but was at a loss when it came to digging into concepts such as symbols or metaphors. We hadn't been taught the necessary skills.)

Fast forward: I have my master's and am teaching at a Christian school. Now I realize that the problem wasn't so much with me, as it was with my superficial education, as well as the superficial curricula that exist for Christian education. So much of it simply says, "Believe! Don't ask why, just do it!' or "Evolution is wrong. This is because all evolutionists are being deluded by Satan" -- that sort of thing. From there I began to develop a vision of something better: a curriculum that would develop critical thinking skills as they relate to matters of faith.

Continuing on, today I have a doctorate in education, with heavy-duty emphasis in curriculum development. The goal is the same, to someday build a better curricular mousetrap. In order to lay the foundation for this, I wrote my dissertation on the critical thinking skills of public, Christian, and private high schools students. My main variables were where the students went to school, and the type of textbook they used. My secret hypothesis was that Christian school students would not do as well as their public school counterparts. Actually, I was wrong. They all did about the same. The bad news is that no one did very well, no matter where they went to school.

Getting back to my main point, I am obviously a well-educated person with a hope for improving what I see as a big problem. We are turning out Christians from our schools and churches who can't think. And, guess what? Even now, I'm one of them. Since I am interested in apologetics, I have started reading books like The Case for Christ. Feeling emboldened, I then tried to tackle Misqquoting Jesus. At the same time, I also came across the argument that Matthew's "virgin prophecy" translation is a mistake. (I did some reading about that today, too, on your site.) Combine that with a few other Skeptical arguments, such as the "lack" of historical evidence for Christ's resurrection, and my faith has been shaken. I don't have the tools necessary to defend what I believe, and I am going through a small crisis.

I'm disturbed by this. Why didn't someone warn me about these issues? Why did our Bible teachers get mad at us in school when we asked questions? Why do we have to just "push the faith button" when real answers about these issues exist? How have I made it to this educational level without being able to explain what I believe, and why I believe it?

If I'm going to design Christian curriculum that is based on critical thinking and apologetics, then I have to get myself ready. I am seriously considering returning to school to get a master's in religion. In the meantime, I want to continue exploring your site and reading some of the books and authors that you mention there.

So, thank you for taking the time to develop a site that proves that "Christian" and "intellectual" are not oxymorons, and that we can give an answer for why we believe.



I asked for permission to use this and it was given to me, with anonymity as the only condition. I think it speaks for itself as a statement of why our churches are failing at their jobs.

[Sparko]

Yeah, I am lucky in that my sunday school teacher believes we need to learn how to do apologetics and teaches us how to defend our faith and what the arguments are that the atheists bring up. Even so, its hard to get an indepth discussion going in a one hour class unless the class members are willing to do some studying on their own (many are, thank God)

[BronzeArcher]

Sad (http://www.christianforums.com/t3269042).

Hi guys, some of you may remember me posting on christian forums last year. Since then I ave decided to shun christianity and take on buddhism so heres why.

Christianity has been in my family for the past thousand years, served its purpose I suppose but why did my ancestors stick to christianity. Having done some research on the history of christianity in western europe, its pretty obvious that fear was what allowed christianity to dominate the region.

Before the industrial revolution most people had limited access to news and knowledge. The only source of information which they had was the church. Therefore they went to church for fear that they would fall behind the times, after all knowledge is power, supposedly. Know we have so many sources of news and knowledge, the church no longer serves this purpose.

The church used fear in other ways to keep christians, after all people had to do whatever the church said, follow christian sets of beliefs and coontribute money, or else they would go to hell. The idea of hell is not logical to me as it assumes that all people who came before Jesus Christ are now in hell.

Yet another way the churche kept the fires of christianity burning, was administering fear through the medium of violence. Up until about 1950 it was common for people from the church to go round peoples houses and threaten working class people until they gave them money. I know many people from that generation who admit to having been threatened by the church. The church can no longer threaten me in modern society so they cannot use fear to their gain.

So my ancestors and most of yours were threatened into the church, now that doesnt happen in most parts of the world. So history was making me want to give up christianity, I decided to look at christianity in modern society.

I looked at some of the parishoners in my local church and what did I see, divorcees, teen mothers, kids who smoke cannabis and other things and many more people to that effect. If you read the bible and take it literally, these people are sinners and obviously dont pay much attention to the teachings of Jesus Christ. In the western world christianity has been contorted into an almost unrecognisable faith, meaning trillions of different things to its billion followers.

We now have homosexuals taking up important positions in churches worldwide. Learning christianity from a homosexual is like being taught be a teacher who hasnt completed kinder garten. If I am going to follow something, I dont want to follow the diluted version and, most christians follow a diluted form of christianity.

Having worked out the history and modern state of christianity, I realised that I just plain do not like my former religion. Maybe I was following the wrong branch of christianity. So which branch of christianity is for me. Theres 33308 branches of christianity so which did I choose, answer, none of them. Christianity was originally one thing, two thousand years later it has been divided by 33308. If the original christianity didnt work, then how can i follow versions which were not even created by Jesus Christ.

Having fully pondered most aspects of christianity, I decided that it is a religion which is totally different from the version Jesus Christ wanted you to follow. Christianity no longer meets the needs of the global society. People who follow it mainly do so because their family does or see it as a form of patriotism. Sure thats a generalisation but it is accurate for most Christians.

Buddhism was a prime choice for a new religion after being a christian as it is different in drastic ways. Buddhism is not idol worship in the way that christians worship Jesus Christ, Buddha is not a person but what someone becomes when they acheive enlightenment. Buddhism also appealed as it doesnt teach that humans are greater beings than other animals, for humans are animals and the theory of evolution backs that up. The concept and history of buddhism is much more peaceful than christianity as it has never been forced on people. Missionaries in south america and africa commited disgusting crimes in the name of christianity, the crusades were one of the darkest periods of human history and it was done in the name of christianity, a buddhist could never justify such horrific acts.

I thank you for reading my reasons for converting from christianity to buddhism and would appreciate it if people who respond canjustify their faith, rather than just criticise and laugh at a buddhist.

I think the best part is where he says he deconverted because he doesn't like Christianity.

[P-Dunn]

I nominate Marshall Brain for his release of this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dzzORZhnCao) crap festival.

I've already made a video response to it, but it was a few seconds too long and so I couldn't post it. Gah.

EDIT: It's also interesting to note that whenever I post a link to my rebuttal on my blog, Marshall deletes it. :ahem:

[Darth Executor]

Not a screwball.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=82469

Parody of DJ and his blog. Also, the radio show is a must! It's one of the funniest things I've ever heard.

[jpholding]

Defiinitely a screwball.

http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/08/apostle-pauls-use-of-analogy.html

The example of the sort of perfect idiot DJ has hired for his blog. :lmbo:

[Leonhard]

Hereoisreal made a rather incoherent posting in philosophy.

“The fact is I am sitting in a chair, in my hometown, in my country, on this planet, in this solar system of the Milky Way, within our galaxy cluster of a wall of such clusters in this Universe.”

And

“Everything I see, feel, hear, taste, smell, think revolves around me.”
********************
Good post bigsplit. I can see you have spent a great deal of time
searching for answers.

My post July 31 “Size 101, How big am I?” is similar and also ignored.

Actually, every normal person has six senses, contacts with reality.
Jesus could have said, “She’s not dead. She’s lost her contacts.” We do also when we “sleep”.

If there was no such thing as light, there would be no need for an eye, much less two. Nor feet and balance if there was no ground. (BTW, a snake crawls.)

If someone agreed to work for a penny a day for six days, (the seventh is a day off),
they would, or should, receive 6 cents pay.

Each of our senses has a zero, reference point, in the middle.

Try this:

Take six pennies and place them around the seventh (resting point, you) and see if they “fit”.

Man’s sixth sense is balance. It’s in the inner ear with a separate nerve to the brain
and has nothing to do with hearing.

God loves balance and that’s the reason every living thing, and fossils too, are symmetrical,
like the center of heaven. Also like the name of the mother of all living, “Eve”. Also like
the creator’s name , “I Am that I Am”

Exd 25:20 And the cherubims shall stretch forth [their] wings on high, covering the mercy seat with their wings, and their faces [shall look] one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubims be.
Exd 25:22 And there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the two cherubims which [are] upon the ark of the testimony, of all [things] which I will give thee in commandment unto the children of Israel.


Everyone likes a “level” playing field.

Psa 94:1 O LORD God, to whom vengeance belongeth; O God, to whom vengeance belongeth, shew thyself
.
While, IMO, vengeance is not a healthy motive for living, at least God gets even. (Even,
so come Lord Jesus)

***************************
FreezBee posted:
“True; the problem with this is, though that you cannot predict every consequence of every one of your actions, because even not acting is an act, so you are always behind schedulé.”

**************************
No, not true. “Not acting” is not an act. It is a non-act, a state or statement of indeference.
Which is OK
Man, like God and Eve, has three faces, love, hate, and indifference.
(Remember the movie, “The Three Faces of Eve” Her names were “Eve White”, “Eve Black”
and plain “Jane”.
One cannot go from love to hate or hate to love without going through the middle one.
If, and “life’ has an “if” in the middle, you stay in your “happy face”, I can’t guarantee
complete happiness but things will, I’m sure, be a lot better.

Eve asked Adam, " Honey, do you love me? "
He replied, " You know I do. You're the only woman in the world for me."
She then remarked, " Let me count your ribs."


War and peace, life and death are not opposites, as black and white are.

Hot and cold are opposites.

“Warm and cool” or “morning and evening” are the same, alike. It’s just a matter of
perspective, where you’re commin’ from.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in
the garden in the cool of the day: (evening)

Which of your faces should you “respect”? You could spend your whole life creating
something beautiful but in one moment of anger destroy it.

God “respected” an offering from Abel.

Moses wasted forty days and nights of God’s time in a sudden fit of anger so God
told him to come on back up the mountain and he’d write the tablets again.

That which is written in stone twice, back and front, is written in stone.

Blessings

Zero

PS:

Because of a stupid error on my part, I had to rewrite all of the above after hitting
the wrong click.

I was taking a break and trying to remember what all I had written when the song,
“Put on a happy face” began on my music channel.

There are 342 “incidents like the above on my web page ( hereoisreal.com)

Also I post on my blog http://www.bloglines.com/blog/hereoisreal


Life is created by the joining together of two opposites
Once upon a time there was a wise queen and a dumb king
who had a child they named “Wisdom”.

Zec 9:9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he [is] just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.
Thy king dumb come.

[Teallaura]

I can't believe I beat DE to this little gem:


Yet further proof that the Bible is outrageously stupid and only a desperate moron could subscribe to it:

From the RSV - Deuteronomy 22:13-21:

"If any man takes a wife, and goes in to her, and charges her with shameful conduct, and brings an evil name upon her, saying, 'I took this woman, and when I came near her, I did not find in her the tokens of virginity,' then the father of the young woman and her mother shall take and bring out the tokens of her virginity to the elders of the city in the gate; and the father of the young woman shall say to the elders, 'I gave my daughter to this man to wife, and he spurns her; and lo, he has made shameful charges against her, saying, "I did not find in your daughter the tokens of virginity." And yet these are the tokens of my daughter's virginity.' And they shall spread the garment before the elders of the city. Then the elders of that city shall take the man and whip him; and they shall fine him a hundred shekels of silver, and give them to the father of the young woman, because he has brought an evil name upon a virgin of Israel; and she shall be his wife; he may not put her away all his days. But if the thing is true, that the tokens of virginity were not found in the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men in the city SHALL STONE HER TO DEATH WITH STONES, because she has wrought folly in Israel by playing the harlot in her father's house; so you shall pruge the evil from the midst of you.

... are any of you Christians so stupid as to believe that anything on a garment can prove a woman's virginity? Sadly, I'm sure the answer is "yes." Anyone care to explain that one?

Of course, I don't expect even this outrageously ignorant passage to dampen the faith of you Christians. Chjristians are feeble-minded fools who NEED supernatural answers to the problems of the world and they will cling to the Bible regardless of how stupid it is. They can't bear the thought of rotting into nothingness when they die. Faith is a very powerful thing; there is real power in belief, but the power comes from belief itself, not from any supernatural entity. I think it's particularly sad that women subscribe to this religion which obviously holds them in a degrading and subservient place below men. Anyone with brains can see that it's wrong to stone a woman to death for not being a virgin, ragardless of the time place or culture she happens to have lived in. PLLLUUUUUUUUTTTT!!!!!


Source (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1610786&postcount=1)

*emphasis mine

Fifteen people proceeded to meet his challenge... :ahem:


Anyone else find this guy's screen name sadly ironic? :frown:

[Sparko]

Frank Walton is being sued by a fictional character...

http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/08/im-being-sued-again-and-its-for-real.html

Not only has pansy Morgan (http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/06/my-time-with-daniel-morgan-and-john-w.html) threaten to sue me after I exposed him, now I'm being sued by The Discomfiter (http://discomfitingchristianity.blogspot.com/2006/08/sue-happy.html). This ain't a joke! This guy actually had his lawyers give me a formal complaint. I've had it with atheists who have threaten to take legal action against me. It's their form of censorship against the staff at "Atheism Sucks!" So, guess what, I'm going to fight this one. No atheist is going to take me down! I'll keep you guys posted. posted by Frank Walton @ 1:42 AM (http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/08/im-being-sued-again-and-its-for-real.html)

In case anyone missed it. Unchained Radio had a parody show this wednesday where a character called Discomfiter called in and did a parody of John Loftus' apologetics. It was entirely made up and he had a blog too. Aparently he is suing Walton.

when you are getting sued by fictional characters your life must really suck.

[Darth Executor]

I can't believe I beat DE to this little gem:


I don't read his posts anymore. :tongue:

[Darth Executor]

Same thread as Teal's.






Answering a question with another question is an evasion.

As ever, Jesse

Darn that Socrates eh?


Comparing JPH to Socrates, now? I see your hyperbole engine is firing on all cylinders, Nick.

High quality untainted stupid.

[aikidoka]

I can't believe I beat DE to this little gem:




*emphasis mine

Fifteen people proceeded to meet his challenge... :ahem:


Anyone else find this guy's screen name sadly ironic? :frown:


That was rather brutal - and entertaining :lol:

[Spheniscine]

Frank Walton is being sued by a fictional character...

http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/08/im-being-sued-again-and-its-for-real.html



In case anyone missed it. Unchained Radio had a parody show this wednesday where a character called Discomfiter called in and did a parody of John Loftus' apologetics. It was entirely made up and he had a blog too. Aparently he is suing Walton.

when you are getting sued by fictional characters your life must really suck.

[/url]
I think he's just playing along.
[url]http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/08/discomfiting-christianity.html (http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/08/im-being-sued-again-and-its-for-real.html)

[Sparko]

I think he's just playing along.
http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/08/discomfiting-christianity.html

Not so sure.. He says "the show is not a satire, Jay Walker is a real person.... seriously, he is."

I don't think Frank is subtle enough for sarcasm.

[dizzle]

I don't know if Frank thought the guy was real. If he did it says two things. He had a moment of extreme gullbility (which I have at times) and it was possible to be gullible on this ponit because atheistic arguments are that stupid.

[The Curtmudgeon]

Don't know if this Ophir person has been nominated yet or not, but if not I suggest at least a Bronzed nomination for the following post here (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=82026) (emphasis added by me):

I suspect this question will receive derision, but I'll take the plunge anyway since this issue has bugged me for quite some time.

After waking in Paradise and being commanded to stay away from the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil, Eve felt compelled to venture near the Tree anyway. I think this is one of the most unbelievable events in the Bible. Why? Because I wouldn't do it.

I can say unequivocally that I wouldn't do it. Fear of the consequences that I would reap, which God specifically and by no means ambiguously explained to Adam and Eve, would have prevented my venturing near the one Tree among hosts of beautiful and appetizing horticulture that I was told to stay away from.

Let me put it another way. We can assume that Adam and Even were somehow equipped with the same awareness that life is God's gift that many Christians hold today. In fact, even more so. This awareness would have been concentrated in a sense. It would have been unmarred by the distractions of the "world" that followed the Fall and that we currently struggle with.

So basically I'm arguing that Eve must have been evil incarnate for having the afformentioned knowledge of the gift of life and living in an environment of obvious breathtaking beauty and still deciding to go against the very God who was the author of it all. It just doesn't make sense. And it doesn't make sense because I wouldn't do it. This is not a self-righteous claim, just a statement of fact because I know myself. It is no more self-righteous than saying you would not steal $10,000 if you had the chance and could get away with it. I've met some principled individuals who would make this claim and I believe them.

If you were in Eve's position and were blessed with all the knowledge, intelligence, and wisdom that God gives human beings not born but made from the dust as full-grown adults, would you still go anywhere near the Tree? I think the answers to this question will be very telling. Because either A&E had all the awareness of God's gift despite having nothing to compare it to or they were dumb tabula rasas, which to me would make them guiltless because they had no concept of what death was or what lies were since they hadn't experienced the malevolence of either yet.

In other words,
Given thousands of years of subsequent historical hindsight which Eve didn't have, I'm able to "foresee" all the consequences of the act and therefore avoid it; and
I'm so much more superior to Satan that he'd never be able to convince me to disobey God on anything, despite the fact that the Arch-wimp Michael couldn't successfully counter Satan on his own.

The (and the "We can assume ..." statement should get an extra nomination on its own) Curtmudgeon

[Sparko]

Ophir was Biblischism. re-banned.

[P-Dunn]

Marshall Brain...again...for this incredibly stupid paragraph (http://www.godisimaginary.com/excuses.htm):

Excuse #6 - Jesus does not appear to me, but he does speak to me every day and guide me in everything I do.

To rational people, these are called hallucinations.

Since Jesus is an all-knowing being, if he were actually talking to you, he would be able to tell you things that no one else knows. You, as a person channeling Jesus, would be the smartest person on earth. You would ace every test you took. You would never make mistakes. You would know what the winning PowerBall numbers would be next week. You would be able to solve world hunger. Etc. The fact that none of these things are happening shows us that you are hallucinating.
...I couldn't believe anybody could seriously think that.

He also interprets John 21:25 literally:

That's an awful lot of miracles -- so many that the world would not have room for all the books describing them. Presumably at least one person witnessed each miracle. Think of how many names fill just one phone book. Now imagine a whole world full of phone books. That's millions of people who all had their free wills destroyed by Jesus' presence on earth.
I swear, the more I read this guy, the more sure I am that Christianity is right.

[Teallaura]

:twitch: Some one please tell me I've misunderstood this... Please?



What about these passages?

Matthew 7:7 Jesus says:
Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him!

Matthew 17:20 Jesus says:
For truly, I say to you, if you have faith as a grain of mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

Matthew 21:21:
I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

Mark 11:24:
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

John chapter 14, verses 12 through 14, Jesus says:
Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in me will also do the works that I do; and greater works than these will he do, because I go to the Father. Whatever you ask in my name, I will do it, that the Father may be glorified in the Son; if you ask anything in my name, I will do it.

In Matthew 18:19 Jesus says it again:
Again I say to you, if two of you agree on earth about anything they ask, it will be done for them by my Father in heaven. For where two or three are gathered in my name, there am I in the midst of them.

In James 5:15-16 the Bible says:
And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective.

In Mark 9:23:
All things are possible to him who believes.

In Luke 1:37:
For with God nothing will be impossible.

I think these passages make the process of begging for things through prayer crystal clear. Of course you'll only hear from the statistical norm that their prayers were "answered".

Nearly everything you quoted was written too for and about the believing members of the nation of Israel and so you are quite right, the vast majority of prayers lifted by believers today are not answered but not because God doesn't exist but because those praying aren't praying according to the Gospel of the Mystery, which was hidden in God from the beginning and revealed to and exclusively through the Apostle Paul.

Now there are tons of Christians on this site and elsewhere who will have a cow when they read what I just wrote but if you are wanting rational answers to your questions then dispensational theology is the only place you are going to get them. The Bible is full of countless contradictions and confusion otherwise.

Resting in Him,
Clete


http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/editpost.php?do=editpost&p=1611621


*emphasis mine



HUH?! :twitch:

[Sparko]

um your link to the post is not correct,teal.

[Teallaura]

:doh: I've been editing too much today - I hit it without thinking...


Here's the correct link:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1611621&postcount=10

[JSDileo]

Hey JPH, I kind of wanted to ask you a question, and it has nothing to do with the screwball of the month awards, if that's alright. I was reading The Spread of Islam yesterday, and the book was talking about the Battle of Bakr by Muhammed against the Quraish tribes of Saudi Arabia, and it said that there are ten differing accounts of the event, but it was obviously considered by all historians to be historical. Do you think this would be a good example for your Christ-myther articles and your articles on the reliability of the gospels? Just wondering.

[jpholding]

Email...


i don't get hot under the collar when it comes to people and their responses to eiseman's giagantic book about james. truth is , i've only made it a little more than half way through . however , i would love to read a better review than that weasle of a summery that you gave. you hit the hot spots only to bow out with , "straw men , overreading of texts , outright errors ...." then , i hope to sea you take an eiseman fan to the cleaners only to find another cop out , "my bad" you said . i'm ready to go to the cleaners ! (smile<grin>). i can't type or spell and i'm not the brightest star in the sky , but i can fight . so , hook me up to some eiseman bashers , your probably too big-time for me , anyway. sincereley,
dim-star





JSDileo: It sounds like a good example, but I'd want to check with Wildcat (my Islam guy) before I did anything on that.

[One Bad Pig]

Ebionite (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1591744&postcount=3):

Hyam Maccoby may of had letters behind his name but I think he was a little ignorant of Ebionites in general.

the greek word translated to 'REPENT" acctualy meant to"open and unlosen your mind" for a second do this and then read the "Epistel of Barnabas " and understand the scholars have it wrong.

Ask yourself who among the early christians even read the old testement?
the date of the epistle is very early much to early to call this spiritual understanding of the law to what the church claims was the later gnostic like Ebionites.

Just as the only letter paul sent out that to jewish converts letter to the hebrews dealed with the allegory's of the old testement scriptures the epistel of Barnabas was doing the same thing. This letter was not for greeks. It was from Ebionites to jewish converts I.E. ritual literal law practicing jews to teach them the hidden truth of thier religion.

Have you seen many of the epistles of early date of paul that is now surpressed because he was quoting the likes of plato and giving them the spititual understanding of thier text?

Some things to think about:

when the word Gnostic was coined it had a different meaning then we define it with today. It mearly meant "spiritual Knowldge."
Now scholars have redfined it to mean what they believe thier text say.
any meaning we give Gnostism besides spiritual knowlage is a new meaning and different then the old meaning.

There was no need to convert a jew to christianity when people were called christan before jesus walked the earth anyway. Yeshua's Ebionite movement didnt convert anyone but rather spiritualized the mythric christians and the carnal jews, thoes that could walk that narrow path anyway. for the most part people resisted the truth and little by little called anyone that were actualy living a life like christ"heritics" and Finaly Constantine allied with the most carnal of christians to unite his empire and kill off the trouble makers.

The lord has given many lost text into the hands of the world and so far it has ignored them. Do you think it is true thoes given a lot a lot is expected?
Ido. I would say we will be living in interesting times and expect more buried scriptures will soon be found that will challange many fossilized positions.

He was in Paltalk last night talking about this stuff. Here's (http://messianic.nazirene.org/entering_the_kingdom.htm) something he kept referring to, but refused to provide a source:

the oldest known complete copy of our Gospels is called the Evangelion Da - Mepharresh and in it we find Yeshua saying at Luke 21:34: "See that you do not make your minds heavy, to do this, never eat meat or drink wine."

[jpholding]

Memo: for "familyof5" pointing me to an infidels.org page with a list of the usual "contradiction" canards...

jpholding...can you explain these? It doesn't matter what context you take these in. They are errors. An error is an error. The bible is full of them, which was my point to begin with. This book is full of holes. If it is inerrant, than it would not actually contain any errors.

[Leonhard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmvm-lYvb1U

Check out this DaVinci lover, a whole 7:20 minutes of garbage.

[Sparko]

I could only get through 3 minutes of that garbage.

[Christy]

I was going to suggest somebody on IMDb, but there's enough screwballs there to fill up the year. I never seen this movie, nor really care about seeing it, but there's a lot of screwy things on here from Christians and atheists http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0399862/board/threads/

[Christy]

:clueless: Uhh, just forget about the above. I forgot that you had to be logged in to view it. :blush: :duh:

[P-Dunn]

I was going to suggest somebody on IMDb, but there's enough screwballs there to fill up the year. I never seen this movie, nor really care about seeing it, but there's a lot of screwy things on here from Christians and atheists http://uk.imdb.com/title/tt0399862/board/threads/
Haha. Well, I'm a member there, and here's an amusing quote I found...

"I have always thought that missionaries like those portrayed in End of the Spear are rather strange people, scary people that want to force their beliefs on others at any cost. Self-righteous people that put their beliefs over those of all others and beleive that they can save everyone. I think these people deserve to be killed, and while that may sound harsh, if you think about it they are quite evil. Who are they to say that these people that dont beleive in christianity are going to hell because they havent been "saved" is insane. What kind of God do they worship? The people thay are trying to save have not made a conscious choice to shun God, they are just ignorant to the whole faith, and shouldnt be punnished with an eternity in hell because of it. I just wanted to know if anyone else thought missionaries are as dangerous as I do. I understand they do a lot of good for people as well, and I dont want to take that away from them, but forcing others to accept their beleifs sounds a lot like something to revolt against."

So according to this genius, a good half of my closest friends are "dangerous, strange, scary people."

The Passion of the Christ movie forum is 100x worse than this, though. Some of the more gullible Christians have actually deconverted due to that forum.

[sc_q_jayce]

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1621414&postcount=202

And people are born with six fingers sometimes too. So what. The typical way is the typical way. Exceptions do not disprove rules.Sorry I offended you when I said you looked like you were in a "state of exstacy" in that picture of yours. Is that actually you? If so, I don't see anything wrong with saying you're really hot.This may not be in the same screwball vein, but I still find this extremely amusing.

:eww:

[Christy]

Haha. Well, I'm a member there, and here's an amusing quote I found...



So according to this genius, a good half of my closest friends are "dangerous, strange, scary people."

The Passion of the Christ movie forum is 100x worse than this, though. Some of the more gullible Christians have actually deconverted due to that forum.


:lol: That was the post that I was actually going to nominate

[Spheniscine]

"I have always thought that missionaries like those portrayed in End of the Spear are rather strange people, scary people that want to force their beliefs on others at any cost. Self-righteous people that put their beliefs over those of all others and beleive that they can save everyone. I think these people deserve to be killed, and while that may sound harsh, if you think about it they are quite evil. Who are they to say that these people that dont beleive in christianity are going to hell because they havent been "saved" is insane. What kind of God do they worship? The people thay are trying to save have not made a conscious choice to shun God, they are just ignorant to the whole faith, and shouldnt be punnished with an eternity in hell because of it. I just wanted to know if anyone else thought missionaries are as dangerous as I do. I understand they do a lot of good for people as well, and I dont want to take that away from them, but forcing others to accept their beleifs sounds a lot like something to revolt against."
*GASP* Forcing others to accept their belief that murder and cannibalism are actually... wrong??!! How self-righteous! How inconsiderate! How dangerous! How evil! We must revolt!!!

[Teallaura]

Why? That post was revolting enough..... :vomit:

[Rayado]

The whole thread deserves a screwball, but this in particular (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1622507&postcount=132) shows the sheer nonsense this guy has been spouting:

So what you are implying is that Jesus is God since he was before Abraham. Well that contradicts God saying that no one has ever seen him. Therefore your best possible bet is that Jesus is only human

Well, considering it was Jesus who said that no one had ever seen the Father in John 6:46... :rofl:

Actually, the attached is for his entire 'contribution' to that thread.

[The Curtmudgeon]

*GASP* Forcing others to accept their belief that murder and cannibalism are actually... wrong??!! How self-righteous! How inconsiderate! How dangerous! How evil! We must revolt!!!

You can't fight it, Sphen; after all, cannibalism is merely another alternate lifestyle, and as such we'll have laws protecting one's right to practice it inside, oh, pro'ly 10 or 15 years, tops. The polygamists are already on the move, then I figure the pederasts will get their act together, and I doubt that the cannibals can be very far behind.

The (Dahmer will, no doubt, get an ex post facto pardon) Curtmudgeon

[One Bad Pig]

Mastralvarado posted here (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1623465&postcount=47):

Thanks for the knowledge. I am an unstable and untaught as so it seems by Mr. Humphrey Bogard so that means that I will be destroyed (or am destroyed in this forum at least of "learned" individuals).

It doesn't even matter what I say anymore I see some of my writings are inaccurate (made-up), and therefore I realize that being muslim doesn't make one "learned", and causes people to be forgetful of the scriptures.

Which is, by the way, full of blasphemy mixed with truth, so how can one dispute with most christians about the scriptures when they are convinced that it is untouched by the lying scribe's pen?

I won't debate with you anymore and I thank you for you participation in the debate.

By the way to apologiaphoenix, what did the Trinity a 3rd century invention have to do with the debate and me being a christian [b]years ago[/]?

:twitch:

There's some other good stuff in the thread too.

[Sparko]

Well now we know why Moose7237 is so ignorant. He is lazy and relies on the internet for his information:

Oh what I meant by I'm not going to search this stuff is that, I'm not going to go out to bookstores and libraries and contact people and see if they let me borrow their books. I will look at the internet though.

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1623652&postcount=155

:duh:

[Leonhard]

This has nothing to do with christianity, but well...

Breast enlargement ringtone (http://www.psychicgoldfish.com/sub_page/bert/index.htm)

(note: Just realised that it was in fact a joke sight, its still funny though)

[jpholding]

Email:

A simple test to see if you understand superstition. In the Grimm's Tale Rumpelstiltskin why is it straw that is spun into gold?

If you get the answer you will understand resurrection.

:lolo:

[The Curtmudgeon]

Has Baigent already got a Lifetime Screwball, or is he still in the running for it? If he hasn't got one already, and maybe even if he does, this ought to be good for an Immortal Lifetime Screwball:

http://www.bib-arch.org/bswb_BAR/bswbba3205review.html

The (does he really believe that anyone with other than a double-ought-gauge mind would fall for this?) Curtmudgeon

[The Curtmudgeon]

Email:
A simple test to see if you understand superstition. In the Grimm's Tale Rumpelstiltskin why is it straw that is spun into gold?

If you get the answer you will understand resurrection.
:lolo:

:lmbo:
I know why straw is spun into gold, it's due to the similarity of colour.
Ergo, I understand superstition.
Ergo, I get the answer.
I understand resurrection -- but what colour is resurrection, and what is it the same colour as? :poke:
:twitch: :noid:

The (:rofl:) Curtmudgeon

[RumTumTugger]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dmvm-lYvb1U

Check out this DaVinci lover, a whole 7:20 minutes of garbage.

I want my 7:20 minutes back

This guy is full of it. he deserves screwball of the year for hi eisogesis of the Fall. God told Eve not to touch teh tree excuse me that was Eve adding to what God said much the same as this idiot does.

[Cynic Sage]

I want my 7:20 minutes back

This guy is full of it. he deserves screwball of the year for hi eisogesis of the Fall. God told Eve not to touch teh tree excuse me that was Eve adding to what God said much the same as this idiot does.

"Assuming that the Bible and the Apocryphal books were printed uding the same font and paper..."

Times Ancient-Roman ?

[Cynic Sage]

This has nothing to do with christianity, but well...

Breast enlargement ringtone (http://www.psychicgoldfish.com/sub_page/bert/index.htm)

(note: Just realised that it was in fact a joke sight, its still funny though)

Sweet Bob in Cleaveland! What words have you been googling , man. :twitch:

[Cynic Sage]

Susan Perlman of "Jews for Jesus", for unethically using Jewish comedian Jackie Mason's image and "schtick" in an evangelistic tract titled "Jackie Mason...A Jew for Jesus!?":

http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/Home/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=jackie-jesus&feedname=CBC-ARTS-V2&show=True&number=5&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

Comedian Jackie Mason is suing the missionary group Jews for Jesus, claiming they damaged his name and likeness in a pamphlet.


CBC Arts
"While I have the utmost respect for people who practice the Christian faith, the fact is, as everyone knows, I am as Jewish as a matzo ball or kosher salami," said Mason in documents filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan.

At issue in the $2 million lawsuit is a pamphlet featuring an image of Mason next to the words "Jackie Mason...A Jew for Jesus!?". Information inside then outlines the similarities between Jews and Christians.

Jews for Jesus was founded in the 1970s as a missionary group practicing Judaism but regarding Jesus as the Messiah.

Mason is seeking the immediate destruction of the pamphlets, which have been distributed at various locations in New York City.

"The pamphlet uses my name, my likeness, my `shtick' - if you will - and my very act, which is derived from my personality, to attract attention and converts," the 75-year old comedian said in an affidavit.

Jews for Jesus spokeswoman Susan Perlman said the pamphlet was "good-natured."

"Shame on him for getting so upset about this," she said Friday.

Mason won a Tony Award for his one-man Broadway show, "The World According to Me" and has appeared in movies such as Caddyshack II and The Jerk. He has also voiced the character of Rabbi Hyman Krustofski on The Simpsons.



You can read the tract here:

http://files.jewsforjesus.org/byg/Jackie_Mason.pdf

[Sparko]

Susan Perlman of "Jews for Jesus", for unethically using Jewish comedian Jackie Mason's image and "schtick" in an evangelistic tract titled "Jackie Mason...A Jew for Jesus!?":

http://entertainment.sympatico.msn.cbc.ca/Home/ContentPosting.aspx?newsitemid=jackie-jesus&feedname=CBC-ARTS-V2&show=True&number=5&showbyline=True&subtitle=&detect=&abc=abc

Comedian Jackie Mason is suing the missionary group Jews for Jesus, claiming they damaged his name and likeness in a pamphlet.


CBC Arts
"While I have the utmost respect for people who practice the Christian faith, the fact is, as everyone knows, I am as Jewish as a matzo ball or kosher salami," said Mason in documents filed in State Supreme Court in Manhattan.

At issue in the $2 million lawsuit is a pamphlet featuring an image of Mason next to the words "Jackie Mason...A Jew for Jesus!?". Information inside then outlines the similarities between Jews and Christians.

Jews for Jesus was founded in the 1970s as a missionary group practicing Judaism but regarding Jesus as the Messiah.

Mason is seeking the immediate destruction of the pamphlets, which have been distributed at various locations in New York City.

"The pamphlet uses my name, my likeness, my `shtick' - if you will - and my very act, which is derived from my personality, to attract attention and converts," the 75-year old comedian said in an affidavit.

Jews for Jesus spokeswoman Susan Perlman said the pamphlet was "good-natured."

"Shame on him for getting so upset about this," she said Friday.

Mason won a Tony Award for his one-man Broadway show, "The World According to Me" and has appeared in movies such as Caddyshack II and The Jerk. He has also voiced the character of Rabbi Hyman Krustofski on The Simpsons.



You can read the tract here:

http://files.jewsforjesus.org/byg/Jackie_Mason.pdf

Actually, did you read it? At first glance I thought it was unethical too, especially after all the hooplah on tv about it. But if you actually READ it, it does NOT use his photo. It uses a caricature of him. It is NOT illegal to use a carcature of someone. That is satire and art. I can draw a cartoon of George Bush (or of Tom Cruise as in South Park) and poke fun of them. That is not against the law. It is no different than what JP Holding does with his cartoons of Doubting John and other Atheists.

And nowhere do they actually claim that Jackie is one of them. Instead they poke fun at him and say that even he could become a Jew for Jesus if he follows these steps.

The only misleading thing MIGHT be the title of the pamphlet.

[Cynic Sage]

Myth Buster again:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=82953

"Spare not the rod for the child shall not die. Thou shalt beat him with the rod and deliver his soul from HELL." - The Bible (Don't know where this is in the Bible? Figure it out for yourself!)

This is the original "I'm going to beat the hell out of you!" and it's done immeasurable damage to the human race. The majority of Child Psychologists today agree that a spank on the behind to embarrass your kid and get his attention is acceptable, but to beat him with an object (like a "rod" - define rod!) is CHILD ABUSE. And the "Word of gOD" without a doubt endorses child abuse. No doubt, idiot Christians would (and, sadly, still do today) beat the living bejeeesus out of their children, believing this will save them from hell. Which, of course, is contradictory to other Bible passages that describe how to get to Heaven (as opposed to Hell, of course). Oh, that's right, some passages are not to be taken that seriously!

Don't think most Child Psychologists consider beating your kid to be child abuse? Do some research! Don't expect ME to do everything for you!LOL




Sorry fellas, this one had been modded after you copied it. Edited for that reason.

[lilpixieofterror]

Can we also add Mr. Binks (aka 'myth buster') for the Screwball award for complaining of others using ad hominem attacks while using them himself?

Crystal

[Teallaura]

Probably - would also win the Stupidity award

[Sparko]

It's a draw between myth buster and moose7237 for the Moron of the Month award.

[One Bad Pig]

rainyday22 spouted forth this on Paltalk tonight:

i have learned that ninety percent of the jews today are from a country in eastern russia.....they converted to judaism hundreds of years ago...dna analysis proves this and they even admit it themselves....so how does this relate to them being of the seed of abraham etc?,,,,,their ancestors never set foot in israel......

the jews themselves admit that thier ancestors never set foot in israel,,,,

:lolo:

[TuckEverlasting]

rainyday22 spouted forth this on Paltalk tonight:

i have learned that ninety percent of the jews today are from a country in eastern russia.....they converted to judaism hundreds of years ago...dna analysis proves this and they even admit it themselves....so how does this relate to them being of the seed of abraham etc?,,,,,their ancestors never set foot in israel......

the jews themselves admit that thier ancestors never set foot in israel,,,,

:lolo:
Actually, some of this may not be totally screwy; see here (http://khazaria.com/). You might be tempted to dismiss it as a quack site, but IIRC Malina actually cites the site as a source in one of his Social Science Commentaries. For whatever that's worth. :nsm:

[JSDileo]

This entire video is a screwball:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkXOwBIRX7Y

Hey, JP, on another note, just as a question: When you end up producing videos with apologetics material, will you put them on websites like GoogleVideo and Youtube? I think that might be an extremely affective way to get to the masses.

[Bill the Cat]

It's a draw between myth buster and moose7237 for the Moron of the Month award.
Moose definitely!!

the whole thread where this latest post is from:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1626045&postcount=206

[Teallaura]

Actually, some of this may not be totally screwy; see here (http://khazaria.com/). You might be tempted to dismiss it as a quack site, but IIRC Malina actually cites the site as a source in one of his Social Science Commentaries. For whatever that's worth. :nsm:

As far as I can tell, children of converted parents are considered jews (unless converted by other sects - some will and some won't accept the conversion; presumably the children would also be unacceptable). God promised Abraham that his seed would become a nation - don't remember Him excluding adopted children. As adopted children generally share in the inheritence, it seems perfectly reasonable to me to regard them as children of Abraham.

Honestly don't know or care about the stats... :shrug:

[Cynic Sage]

The Church here is a Screwball, the Pastor definately ain't:

http://www.djournal.com/pages/story.asp?ID=226902&pub=1&div=Lifestyles

SALTILLO - A pastor who says his congregation voted not to accept black membership has resigned. The church says it never made such a decision.


The Rev. John Stevens says Fellowship Baptist Church in Saltillo voted not to approve blacks as members during a scheduled Sunday night business meeting Aug. 6. Because of the decision, Stevens stepped down from the Baptist Missionary Alliance congregation that has an average Sunday morning attendance of 30 people.


According to Stevens, the church made race an issue after a biracial 12-year-old boy, Joe, began attending Fellowship Baptist with his temporary guardians.


The church was "afraid Joe might come with his people and have blacks in the church," Stevens said. "I could not go along with that. There would always be a wall between us, so I resigned that night."

[Cynic Sage]

Actually, some of this may not be totally screwy; see here (http://khazaria.com/). You might be tempted to dismiss it as a quack site, but IIRC Malina actually cites the site as a source in one of his Social Science Commentaries. For whatever that's worth. :nsm:

Isn't JP's family descended from Khazar Jews or something?

[Cynic Sage]

Jimbo, from his thread titled "some aspects of psychological coercion in Christianity":

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=82972

...

Before continuing, I should point out another way in which the Christian religion imposes guilt on people. It does this by informing them that sexual desire is evil. Obviously many other religions, such as Islam, take this tact as well. Feeling "lust in your heart" is portrayed as a grave offense against God. Since sexual desire is almost universal in human beings, this appeal is directed at a wide audience. Of course there is a problem with this appeal since sexual desire can be hidden--it only exists in the mind and may not be, shall we say, manifested to other people. However, this problem is resolved by making God an all-seeing voyeur who can peer inside your mind 24 hours a day, kind of like a supernatural Big Brother. So when a Christian has an "impure" thought or desire, he or she can be quite certain that God is jotting it down in his little black book for future reference.

It seems clear that Christianity puts itself in opposition to "worldly" pleasures of all kinds, not just sex, and in this way it makes believers more dependant on their faith. ...

Sorry, skepticbud already tried this song and dance (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=4078&highlight=brainwashing) and quickly had his arguments ripped to shreds. And with ignorant nonsense like "the Christian religion imposes guilt on people . . . by informing them that sexual desire is evil" I suspect you'll fare little better than your colleague.

Try reading Song of Solomon, you dope!

No need to insult.

The Bible is confusing jumble of different types of stories and genres all mixed together, with various conflicting claims and teachings. That is why in part of Bible we have Jesus telling people to love their neighbors, and in another part we have God telling his chosen people to put their neighbors into lifelong slavery. In one part of the Bible we are informed that children should respect their parents, in another part of the Bible we have Jesus telling people to hate their parents. In one part of the Bible we have the Song of Solomon, and in another part we have Jesus condemning sexual desire and Paul advising us that "'It is good for a man not to touch a woman."

These conflicting claims don't make a whole lot of sense until we realize that the Bible is not the communication of some perfect, all-knowing, all-good supernatural being but was instead written by and thrown together by fallible human beings. When we recognize this, the contradictions of the Bible are easy to understand.

[jpholding]

Isn't JP's family descended from Khazar Jews or something?

Ottoman Turks at least.


Email (and this is all it said):


I've viewed your website, and I have to say that I can't blame you
for using a false name. It is patently clear that you haven't a clue
as to any scholarly information. I'd also be too embarrassed to use
my real name, if I were you.




Hey, JP, on another note, just as a question: When you end up producing videos with apologetics material, will you put them on websites like GoogleVideo and Youtube? I think that might be an extremely affective way to get to the masses.

That's a long way down the road, but yes, I'd like to at least post samples.



Edit add: A colleague forwarded this email he got which deserves a Screwball:

I just came across your horrendous site this morning... I nearly retched. Not only do you not support your "facts" with anything more than hearsay and conjecture, you also refuse to listen to any known fact about
humanity. I don't se any mention of the racial "cleansing" that
Caucasian "christians" (puke) have meant subjecting the world to for
centuries. The only thing that comes close in your ramblings is the
mention of Hitler who was in fact a christian. No mention of that
though, huh? You can take your rhetoric and propaganda and peddle it
to the blind sheep (mostly kids 5 and below) and most adults who's
IQ's wouldn't even pass for a poor bowling score. The last being
mentioned seems to probably fit your staff perfectly! Feel free to
write back with any excuse you can think of for trying to poison so
many minds.

The site is forerunner.com.

[Bill the Cat]

and most adults who's
IQ's wouldn't even pass for a poor bowling score

He does realize that even genius level IQ is a poor bowling score, right?

[Teallaura]

He does realize that even genius level IQ is a poor bowling score, right?No, his IQ is too low - pity he's not a golfer, if he got really good he might match his IQ someday!

:grin:

[jpholding]

Did anyone nominate this site before? I forget...

http://www.jesuspolice.com

Lots of stupid stuff here; uses Wells, Waite, and Ellegard as sources; and it says this of that nutty book The Hiram Key:


If you're interested in history or religion, or both, then this book is a must read. It starts out as an inquiry into the roots of freemasonry, and before long, it covers just about everything from Babylon to Eqypt, from Moses to the Crusades, from Jesus to George Washington. It is not a scholarly book in the strictest sense (it reads more like a murder mystery), yet most of its conclusions are supported by sufficient evidence to be a good starting-off spot for the enthusiastic student.


And from the article on the Gospels:

There is so much evidence that the Gospels were written in the Second Century that it’s hard to believe that the vast majority of scholars still stick stubbornly to the belief that they are a First Century production. The earliest known Christian writings are the letters of the Apostle Paul, dated sometime between 48 and 58 A.D.; but there are no copies of these original documents [1], and there are many questions about their authenticity [2]. Some people believe that the earliest versions of the four Gospels were written between 60 A.D. (Mark) and 100 A.D. (John), but there is no proof of these early dates, and some scholars believe that all the Gospels were written after 100 A.D. (e.g., Acharya, 1999; Ellegard, 1999; Keeler, 1965; Koester, 1980; Wheless, 1990). Here is some evidence to support this theory:

Acharya and Wheless are scholars. :lolo:

[jpholding]

Memo: To myth buster (again)"


GhostWalaiOtoko (not a screwball):

It is true that strictly speaking there are differences between boys and girls that are not matters of socialization. However, as one learns in anthropology, in some cultures the attributes considered masculine and the attributes considered feminine are almost poles apart from the attributes considered masculine and feminine here. Whatever "research" our "mythbuster" has done in child psychology, a field itself subservient to sociology, he certainly has done no research in the inputs of historians, cultural anthropologists, and sociologists in Biblical studies, which are the fields he would truly have to interact. Has this verse been majorly abused by anachronizers who didn't know the historical context because they live in a different setting? Yes. Does this mean the verse is of itself unjust? No.

miss buster:

INteresting point, but if you take the verse at face value, especially the KJV which has been the standard for centuries, it's quite easy to see how it justifies child abuse. Do you think "God" was aware of the tremendous and widespread psychological damage this would have on kids? If so, couldn't he have "inspired" the divine translators to have done a more humane job of explaining the verses intentions in order to avoid the widespread child abuse it has inspired? If not, could you admit "God" is not omnipotent?

And while God's at it, can he also wipe for him, too?

[Sparko]

Memo: To myth buster (again)"



And while God's at it, can he also wipe for him, too?

It never ceases to amuse me when I see people like myth buster boil down their arguments to "God isn't real because he didn't do things the way I would have done them. I know better than God what should be done! Therefore God doesn't exist!"

[Cynic Sage]

Jude3b denounces the "heresey" of Messianic Judaism:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=83003

THE THEOLOGY OF DISPENSATIONALISM which has led to Christian Zionism, Messianic Judaism and the Heretical Jewish Roots movement seems to be ANTI-CHRISTIAN.

Isn't it true that Biblically speaking, a Jew is someone who is covenanted into the people of the Jews by circumcision?

Than why today, are the Jews all those who claim to be Jews, or those who are covenanted with the Jews? Including Christian Zionists who have not been circumcised?

To start this thread, I'll give my opinion on a few of my beliefs:

...

My fifth opinion is that today there is a new heresy that is springing up. A new group - Christian Zionists, nearly all of whom were Christians and not Jews, go around teaching Heretical Jewish Roots doctrines - and they join Messianic Judaism. They become enemies of the Gospel and preach an Anti-Christian theology.

My POINT: I am not expressing opposition to Messianic Judaism in this thread. I share the great Joy of the Lord everytime a lost Jew comes to Christ and is saved. Praise God! Messianic Synagogues are ok - if they want to have them to maintain their culture, etc. Likewise, I feel the same about Spanish or Korean groups who have their own congregations and worship in their native tongue. Thats all ok. No problem.

The problem that I see is that Christian Zionism has become Anti-Christian and is presenting Messianic Judaism as an alternative to historic Biblical Christianity. I believe this is due to the erroneous dispensational views that they have learned from the Hal Lindsey's, the John Nelson Darby's, etc.


:huh:

[Cynic Sage]

Armor of God PJ's:

http://www.armorofgodpjs.com/

Nuff said.

[Cynic Sage]

Hansi: The Girl Who Loved the Swatsika (read it here):

http://www.carpsplace.com/spire/Hansi.pdf

I know that this Christian Comic-book was at least made with good intentions, but just looking at the front cover tells you "something is very, very wrong. This shouldn't exist":

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I remember first reading this in my church's library at the age of six. This comic book was how I first learned about what rape (http://ape-law.com/GAF/Page01/HANSI4.JPG) was before I even learned about what sex was. But this review from Gone & Forgotten (not a screwball) adequately sums up why I feel this deserves a Screwball Award:

http://ape-law.com/GAF/Page01/index.html

Here's the story: 1938, the Nazis invade the Sudentenland and whereas everyone ELSE seems petrified and panicked, Hansi's absolutely thrilled that the Nazis have brought BOOKS ... cause they didn't have those in the Sudentenland, apparently. Inspired by that famous Nazi hospitality, Hansi partakes in, and wins, a competition which sweeps her off to Prague to study as a Hitler Youth leader. You go girl.

Now before taking off, Hansi's bedraggled mom reminds her "don't ever forget Jesus." Nonetheless, by the time Hansi's on the train, she wouldn't recognize Jesus if he were sitting next to her, still pinned to his sticks.

...

Anyway, eventually Germany falls (my favorite line in the whole book "Germany surrendered! The dream ended! The nightmare began!" Unless you were a Jew, Communist, gypsy, homosexual or dissident, in which case, the nightmare had ended - the authors of this book, I can't believe 'em), and Hansi and her fellow nurses or schoolmates or whatever are captured by the RUSSIANS! And dig this - every night, the Russians invade the barracks of the female prisoners to RAPE THEM - except Hansi, cause ... she's too skinny. I can't make this stuff up, folks. Now, despite hearing that Americans were gum-chewing gangsters (Which is apparently worse than being a tyrant and rapist....), Hansi and the girls make an escape attempt across no-man's land (all the raped girls get shot to death. Hansi makes it across...the message here?), and then are greeted by Americans --- CHEWING GUM!

...

Here's a couple things to consider about this book:

First off, is Hansi really the role model most Christians would want to have? She's the most gullible girl in the world! She believes anything she reads, f'r cryin' out loud. She starts off believing the Bible cause it's the only book she has, then some Nazi gives her ANOTHER book so SHE becomes a Nazi, then she hears the Bible's cool again, so she picks that up, then she hears America's cool, and goes there, only it isn't .... MY GOD! Plus, the sublimated lesson here is "Read anything other than the Bible, and you'll become a Nazi." Nice, charming. Does that mean if I read Archie, I'll join a bubblegum pop band?

Secondly, Hansi escapes being raped. I puzzled this one awhile - after all, wouldn't it reinforce the wrongness of her abandoning Jesus and increase her reader sympathy if she HAD been raped? But then I got the message that all the girls who HAD been raped had gotten killed - you see, the comic's saying that Hansi could never have been a pure and good Christian if she HAD been. She woulda been tainted. And the girls who'd gotten killed escaping the camp were LUCKY to have been spared living with what was done to them.....

[{Tim}]

:twitch:

[jpholding]

I've collected a few of those Al Hartley comics. Corn inevitably comes to mind when I read them.

As an aside, I guess I'll be banned Sept. 1-3 so I'll probably start the Sept. Screwball thread early.

[YeshuaMarine]

:lmbo:
I know why straw is spun into gold, it's due to the similarity of colour.
Ergo, I understand superstition.
Ergo, I get the answer.
I understand resurrection -- but what colour is resurrection, and what is it the same colour as? :poke:
:twitch: :noid:

The (:rofl:) Curtmudgeon

And I thought Dr. Sellars was screwy! Wow!

[Leonhard]

Yet another atheist who thinks that all the christians are morons, Watch out Holding, he's moving in on your turf

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h256/Calatar/religion.gif

[Ishmael]

And I thought Dr. Sellars was screwy! Wow!
Reference? It's clear to me without even seeing the reference that this is Reductio ad absurdum. It's not subtle, and yet, you miss it.

[Sparko]

Yet another atheist who thinks that all the christians are morons, Watch out Holding, he's moving in on your turf

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h256/Calatar/religion.gif

The first line of the page sets the tone...

"Poorly Thought Out Comix"

It sure was poorly thought out. :yes:

[Darth Executor]

It looks like a parody to me.

[jpholding]

It looks like a parody to me.

I've seen better artwork from the psych ward at the prison.

[Leonhard]

It looks like a parody to me.

Meh, but then read the praises from "skeptics" crowd from the randi.org forum, if the comic is joke, then what about a group of people who actually think it was right?!

Nice Cartoon www.randi.org (http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=61856)

[Darth Executor]

Go to the IIDB. There are real people who act far worse than that comic. Some were featured in past screwball awards. Although I admit that with skeptics it's hard to tell the difference between some of the real ones and parodies.

[YeshuaMarine]

Reference? It's clear to me without even seeing the reference that this is Reductio ad absurdum. It's not subtle, and yet, you miss it.

Ishmael would make a good candidate! Ishmael for ducking out on JPH and then having the nerve to call him a hack.

[P-Dunn]

Marshall Brain is on a roll. He's created a new website (http://thebibleletter.com) about a letter he wants to send to Wal-Mart. Here it is:

To be sent on November 1, 2006

TO:
Lee Scott
President and CEO
Wal-Mart Stores, Inc.
Bentonville, AR 72716-8611

Dear Sir,

We, the undersigned, respectfully request that Wal-Mart Stores, Inc. cease distribution of the book known as the Holy Bible. We make this request after careful consideration, having examined numerous passages in the Holy Bible that are repulsive, stridently offensive and/or illegal. The following five examples reveal the obscene nature of this book and help you to understand why we are making this request.

1) The Holy Bible demands that readers murder hundreds of thousands of Wal-Mart employees.

In Exodus 31:15 the Holy Bible demands: “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must be put to death.” This demand is repeated in Exodus 35:2: “For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a Sabbath of rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it must be put to death.”

Mr. Scott, you are in a unique position to understand how dangerous these statements are. Hundreds of thousands of Wal-Mart's employees work on the Sabbath. The Holy Bible demands their murder. This threat to employee autonomy and safety should be both repugnant and highly offensive to Wal-Mart’s senior management team as well as Wal-Mart's employees.

2) The Holy Bible demands that readers discriminate against women. This type of sexual discrimination directly affects female employees working for Wal-Mart.

In 1 Timothy 2:11-12 the Bible says: “Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness. I permit no woman to teach or to have authority over men; she is to keep silent.” See also statements like 1 Cor 14:34-35 and Numbers 31:14-18. These statements should be repugnant to every member of the Wal-Mart management team, since a large percentage of Wal-Mart's employees and managers are women.

3) The Holy Bible fully endorses slavery, which is today strictly illegal in the United States. The Bible also endorses such egregious behaviors as the beating of slaves.

In Leviticus 25:44 the Bible says: “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life.” In Exodus 21:20 the Bible says: “If a man beats his male or female slave with a rod and the slave dies as a direct result, he must be punished, but he is not to be punished if the slave gets up after a day or two, since the slave is his property.” Statements like Col. 3:22 and Titus 2:9 in the "New Testament" fully endorse slavery. Slavery is illegal in the United States, as is assault and battery, and the Holy Bible flagrantly disregards these statutes. Slavery is barbaric. A book that condones slavery is highly offensive.

4) The Holy Bible demands that readers murder homosexual men. The Holy Bible incites readers to commit hate crimes against innocent citizens.

In Leviticus 20:13 the Holy Bible commands: “If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death.” The Holy Bible clearly incites its readers to commit murder. The Bible provokes hatred against, and threatens the lives of, innocent citizens in Wal-Mart communities across the nation.

5) The Holy Bible demands that readers murder those who do not believe in the “god” of the Bible.

In Leviticus 24:16 the Bible demands: “Anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD must be put to death. The entire assembly must stone him.” See also 2 Chron 15:12-13 and Deut 13:12-16. In the “New Testament” of the Bible, the man known as Jesus also condemns all unbelievers. Since the majority of Earth's citizens, and a sizeable percentage of the citizens of the United States, do not believe in the "god" of the Bible, these statements are both highly offensive and dangerous.

We, the undersigned, recognize that any book which demands the death of innocent Wal-Mart employees, which commands sexual discrimination against women, which endorses slavery and the beating of slaves, which incites hate crimes against innocent citizens of the United States, and which demands the murder of people of other faiths, is so obscene that Wal-Mart should cease distribution of the book. The dictionary defines the word obscene in this way:

offensive to morality or decency; indecent; depraved.
causing uncontrolled sexual desire.
abominable; disgusting; repulsive.

The Bible fits this definition. Any book that incites murder, hate crimes and discrimination is offensive to morality and decency. It is apparent from the five examples listed above that the Bible is depraved, abominable, disgusting and repulsive.

Two years ago, according to this article in USA Today - Stewart finds controversy - Wal-Mart refused to distribute the #1 best-selling book “America”, by Jon Stewart. The reason cited was a nude photograph of the members of the Supreme Court. Wal-Mart felt that this photograph was obscene, so Wal-Mart chose not to distribute the book in its stores.

In Jon Stewart’s book, it is obvious that the intent is comedy. The Bible, on the other hand, is deadly serious and is frequently cited as an authoritative justification for discrimination and hatred. For example, the Bible was cited as an authoritative justification for slavery during the American Civil War. Readers of the Holy Bible act on its discriminatory statements every day. A book that openly demands the murder of millions of innocent Americans, that directly discriminates against women and that fully condones slavery and the beating of slaves is outrageously obscene. By Wal-Mart's own obscenity standards, as well as by the standards of civilized society, a book such as the Holy Bible has no place on the shelves of any Wal-Mart store.

Some Wal-Mart customers may argue such attributes as "wide readership" and "historical precedence" in order to maintain the Bible in Wal-Mart's inventory. They may also argue that removal of the Bible from Wal-Mart's shelves represents censorship or an attempt to "ban the Bible." It is important to note that we, the undersigned, do not advocate censorship. Nor is Wal-Mart "banning the Bible." The removal of the Bible from Wal-Mart's distribution network simply acknowledges the reality of the situation: many parts of the Bible are transparently obscene, and Wal-Mart (like most retailers) has a longstanding policy on obscene material. No book, regardless of popularity, has the right to endanger lives by directly and undeniably inciting its readers to commit murder and hate crimes.

We, the undersigned, trust that you, Mr. Scott, will look at the five examples listed above and recognize the deep and systemic problems found in the Holy Bible, along with the highly offensive, obscene and illegal nature of its content. We request that you work within your organization to expediently remove this book from Wal-Mart’s distribution chain.

And then he gives you an opportunity to sign your first and last name and email address.

:lol:

[Sparko]

Marshall Brain is on a roll. He's created a new website (http://thebibleletter.com) about a letter he wants to send to Wal-Mart. Here it is:



And then he gives you an opportunity to sign your first and last name and email address.

:lol:

Well I signed up!

Ima Moron
imamoron@email.com

[YeshuaMarine]

Well I signed up!

Ima Moron
imamoron@email.com

Nice to see the Creationists finally win a debate for a change. I vote the Emo Evos for screwballs of the month:

http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1632436#post1632436

[jpholding]

Marshall Brain is on a roll.

Does he have a life besides this?




Anyway....I'm going to start the September Screwball thread now, since I'm banned for three days after this. Mods may close this thread at their convenience prior to tomorrow.