Report Tekton/Tektoon problems here

[jpholding]

If you find a broken link on one of the two sites, stick 'em here and I'll try to put off fixing it for a few weeks before I finally get off my duff and fix 'em. :hehe:

Actually I usually fix such things within a week.

[Piebald]

Here is my problem: I haven't kept up with the Tektoon webcomics, and now characters from the comics are appearing in my home and my workplace threatening me with physical violence unless I do. I am not sure if this is a problem with Firefox or the Windows Operating System but I would like it fixed post haste.

[jpholding]

Here is my problem: I haven't kept up with the Tektoon webcomics, and now characters from the comics are appearing in my home and my workplace threatening me with physical violence unless I do. I am not sure if this is a problem with Firefox or the Windows Operating System but I would like it fixed post haste.

Get to reading then. :glare: You should know better than to make Sheila mad.

Which reminds me, I guess you've read Perelandra lately. :hehe:

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

I see the Skeptics Annotated Bible complains that Tekton has links missing in the critique, so if you don't mind JP, I'll use this thread to report on that so they have less to complain about and (eek) actually have to confront the arguments. :lol: :eek:

Edgar Jones reply on Luke 14:26, http://www.tektonics.org/af/crackedvoice02.html
should be http://tektoonics.com/parody/crackedvoice02.htm

This link is incorrect in this essay:
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html

[JB]

If you find a broken link on one of the two sites, stick 'em here and I'll try to put off fixing it for a few weeks before I finally get off my duff and fix 'em. :hehe:

Actually I usually fix such things within a week.

Good luck with these. :hehe:

I'll warn you up front, it's painfully obvious that I'm an INTP. For example, on the way home from No Other Gods, my friend was flipping through the pages of The Mormon Defenders, spending maybe a half a second on each page at the most. What did I do? Spot a typo. :tongue: (A missing "P" in "Appendix" at the top of page 133, to be precise.)

That said, I now unveil the fruits of a weekend spent searching through Tekton for broken links and such. But first, a quick three from Tektoon.

Page: Range Patrol #1 Insider (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon1/rangtooninsider1.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon1/rangtooninsider1.html)

To begin, if you've gotten this far and not read The Social World of Hearthstone (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon1/hearthsocial.html) supplement, you may want to have a look. There's some background detail on the Cartel as a force in Hearthstone's social world, as well as racial descriptions of the various peoples you'll meet on Hearthstone. Not required reading, but sort of like Cliff's Notes, it helps make even more sense of things.

The link provided is:http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon1/hearthsocial.html

The bolded part must be removed to produce:http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/hearthsocial.html

Also on that page, I think we need to see a space of separation or something between "p. 38" and "p. 5":

The Met-Pan suit (page 25) and the vehicle shields (p. 38p. 5 -- no fossil fuels!) and so they have no powered flight; and so the Cartel depot need not fear any sort of serious aerial attack. Hence the force field (p. 43 ) only goes up so far; no need to cover from air attack.(emphasis added)

Page: Shrike Team #1 Insider (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon1/shriketooninsider1.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon1/shriketooninsider1.html)

At the end of the insider page for "Cold Reception (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon1/rangtoon1/rangtooninsider1.html)" I told you that you'd need to read BOTH sets of stories because they'd eventually join together from a narrative perspective. Well, in light of that, and as a way of showing that the reader who notices details here in rewarded (grin), there's a little puzzle here for you. For the next few stories, there will be "baubles" -- little verbal or visual similarities that allude back to the prior story. So in other words, here in Shrike Team #1, you will find "baubles" that refer back to Range Patrol #1. I'll tell you for now that there are just two of them....and I'll tell you what they are in the insider page for Range Patrol #2.

Similar (but not identical) to the errors found in the first posting of the Range Patrol #4 Insider, the case is that the bolded section needs to be removed in this:http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon1/rangtoon1/rangtooninsider1.html

Then we'll have the correct URL:http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon1/rangtooninsider1.html

Page: Range Patrol #3, page 71 (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon3/rangtoon3071.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon3/rangtoon3071.html)

The link to the "Recommended Next Read" is defective as a result of a missing "intro".
http://www.tektoonics.com/shriketoon3/shriketoon3001.html

should become

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon3/shriketoon3001.html

That's all from Tektoon, now for Tekton. Here's the part where I take a deep breath. :wink: First, I'll repeat the ones I mentioned in the other thread, simply for the sake of gathering them all together.

Page: Dan Barker's Easter Challenge Eviscerated (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/rezrvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/rezrvw.html)

About halfway down, you'll find this sentence:
The main issue of difference is why only Matthew reports the angel -- as well as the other miracles recorded later -- and that matter we have answered with the principles found here (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/asilent.html).

The quoted link is broken. What is:
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/asilent.html

ought to be:
http://www.tektonics.org/af/asilent.html

On the same page, down at the bottom:
I would regard these as reporting the same meeting. Luke has no room now to report a dual meeting with Thomas first excluded, and each writer has their own focus: Luke on the tangible nature of Jesus' body; John on a more theological and "commissional" issue, as well as wanting to highlight Thomas' actions. If Luke is reporting to a Roman judge on behalf of Paul (as Mauck argues (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/mauckrvw.html)) then it isn't hard to see why he would report what he did. Meanwhile John will emphasize the tangible nature of Jesus in his second report.

Yep, that's the other link that needs changed. This:
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/mauckrvw.html

should be:
http://www.tektonics.org/books/mauckrvw.html

Okay, that's what I had before I set out on my quest to find broken links. Here's what I came up with.

Page: Le Nouveau Testament (http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhubfr.htm) (http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhubfr.htm)

This probably isn't a big concern, seeing as how it's a foreign language article. But every one of those heading links goes to:
http://www.tektonics.org/l

Page: Gospel Gossip: A Refutation to [sic] Acharya S on the Gospels (http://www.tektonics.org/af/achygosp.html)

The first bulleted item is the problem:
"The Pauline epistles do not reveal any historical Jesus; nor do they demonstrate any knowledge of the existence of the four canonical gospels." The first part of this claim is false, as we show in our series refuting [url=http://www.tektonics.org/dohetry/dohertyhub.html]Earl Doherty (http://www.tektonics.org/af/achygosp.html). The second part is closer to true, but still false -- as we show in the same set of essays, Paul shows familiarity with the Jesus tradition found in the Gospels.

Problem? In the link, two of the letters in Doherty's last name got switched, rendering the link inoperative.

http://www.tektonics.org/dohetry/dohertyhub.html
http://www.tektonics.org/doherty/dohertyhub.html

Page: Come Again?: The Olivet Discourse and Prophetic Fulfillment (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/olivet01.html) ([url]http://www.tektonics.org/esch/olivet01.html)

I'm estimating 2/7 of the way down is where the problem is.
There were indeed false prophets claiming to represent God in plenty [Josephus War 6.5.2 refers to a "great number of false prophets" who gave false hope to the people]; these tried to initiate various signs to "activate God's eschatological salvation" [Keener, 567-8], and they did indeed deceive many. Though there do continue to be pretenders around, this word was fulfilled between 30-70 AD. (And of course there is more to this: While some may have made "messianic" overtures, you won't find anyone other than Jesus who claimed to be God's Wisdom (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclais/trinitydefense.html), a much stronger and clearer claim to divinity in context than "I am Messiah" would have been at any rate!)

That isn't the whole paragraph, just the latter portion. All you did was forget a letter, JP.

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclais/trinitydefense.html
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trinitydefense.html

Page: Shattering the Christ Myth (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/jesusexisthub.html)

First of all, I can't find the French version anywhere. The link at the top doesn't work, and I tried a few alternative combinations. None worked. I even translated short phrases from the article into French and Google-searched Tektonics for them. I couldn't find the French version of this article. Maybe someone else will have better luck.

Another note. Right above the Gamaliel Challenge, there's a list of linked responses to various individuals on the topic. One of them, that directed to "Bananaz", is missing. I'm not sure where the response to him is supposed to be located now, if it's somewhere on the site at all.

Page: Josephus: A Double Dose of the Messiah (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/josephus.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/josephus.html)

Roughly 5/7 of the way down, I found this line:
For our comments on this section, please see this essay (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/gk/jesustrial.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/gk/jesustrial.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesustrial.html

The same problem occurs at the very bottom of the article.
Issue of note: Some discussion has attended the argument that the Testimonium is strongly paralleled by Luke's Emmaus road narrative. Not surprisingly, this data has been used to suggest that Luke copied Josephus, or vice versa, or to suggest a common source. We now have a look at that issue here (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/lp/lukeandjoe.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/lp/lukeandjoe.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/lukeandjoe.html

Page: Nero's Scapegoats: Cornelius Tacitus (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/tacitus.html)

Perhaps 7/9 of the way down the page, there's an error very familiar from the Josephus article:
This is truly a convoluted excuse to dismiss the testimony of Tacitus. So then: If Tacitus found nothing to contradict his sources, doesn't this mean that he investigated to see if there was any contradictory data? Couldn't this just as easily (indeed, more likely) to be taken to mean that the historicity of Jesus was so beyond question and clearly in evidence that one source was enough, or even no sources (i.e., that it was common knowledge)? Who would have contradicted such a source? In a collectivist society, anyone at all who didn't care for Christianity or for the Jews, and that included a substantial portion of the Roman Empire (see here (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/lp/nowayjose.html) for more details). Once again, the basis of argument is the blind stupidity of ancient peoples. Christian claims involved charges of serious action by the governor of a Roman province; if the governor of your state was accused of putting the leader of a local religious cult to death on a major religious holiday, and it was not public knowledge that this had been done, do you think it would be allowed to pass uncontested, especially in a hotbed of rebellion like Judaea?

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/lp/nowayjose.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.html

Page: Thallus: Darkness Rules (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/thallus.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/thallus.html)

In the first paragraph:
We recommended here Glenn Miller's essay (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/jrthal.html) on this subject and our evaluation of his work and another countering work here (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/thallcomp.html). Here is a miscellaneous objection:

Only the second link is faulty:
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/thallcomp.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/thallcomp.html

Same page, halfway down, the second, third, and fourth links from which the quotations are taken are all inoperative, unless my computer's just being screwy.

Page: Pliny to Trajan: Help!!! (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/pliny.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/pliny.html)

Halfway down, we find:
True, but nor would Pliny say that Serapis and Apollo were sung to "as (or, as if) a god." Obviously, there would be no need for this distinction, since Serapis and Apollo were known as gods! The phrase here would indicate that someone who would not ordinarily be perceived as a god (in Roman eyes) was here being accorded the status of deity, and this points to someone who was (again, in Roman eyes) a known, supposedly mortal person. (For more on this point, see our response to G. A. Wells (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/uz/wellsga01.html).)

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/uz/wellsga01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wellsga01.html

Page: One Fish, Two Fish: Or, Don't Fall Hook, Line and Sinker (http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/fishsymbol.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/fishsymbol.html)

Three problems on this page, none of extreme importance.

Halfway down, you're talking about a lawsuit over cartoon tigers, and you give two links. The second now takes me to a page regarding veterans' benefits. I'm going to assume that this was not always the case.

Further down, the link about Tiger Chai Tea no longer goes to the desired page.

Finally, the link to the ACLU site no longer reaches the desired article. I tried to find the article on there, but for some reason, I can't stay on the ACLU's site for too long without twitching and becoming rather annoyed.

Page: One Down, One to Go: Discussions with Unitarians (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/unitresp.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/unitresp.html)

Okay, the link problems here were by far the most numerous of any page, and most of the links are having the same exact problem. So, hold onto your hat, if you're wearing one.

The Holy Spirit [215ff]: If The Holy Spirit was a person without an incarnation, as we showed here (ttp://www.tektonics.org/qt/quietthird.html), then there is a substantial problem with B and H claiming that the word "becoming flesh" was also the start of his personhood, since clearly the Spirit didn't need incarnation to become personal. So of course B and H have a chapter trying to divest the Spirit of personhood, making the Spirit merely God's "energy" (which we agree that it is), but the best they can do is quote other people's confused opinions on the matter, irrelevantly quote complaints from Luther and Calvin that they didn't like the sound of the word "Trinity" (never mind that they fully endorsed the concept), and try to confuse us on other matters with selective quotation. For example, Acts 8:26-29:

ttp://www.tektonics.org/qt/quietthird.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/quietthird.html

Argument 2: Proverbs and other cites say Wisdom was "created". That means it had a beginning and was not eternal. Our opponent made much of this (for a partial reply see here (ttp://www.tektonics.org/gk/jwsandjesus.html)), but moreover, there is a certain semantic limitation involved, and that is that there is no such thing as verb of production that, taken by itself, could not be twisted, argued, or mashed into some implication of a beginning at a point in time rather than eternality. Even "generated," used by the Nicean creed, could be twisted so. (Doesn't generation imply that what was generated was "turned on" at some point?) No surprise that the Arians kept playing games and the Athanasians needed to narrow things. Heretics have to have some way to keep appearing orthodox, otherwise no one would give them credence.

ttp://www.tektonics.org/gk/jwsandjesus.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jwsandjesus.html

In closing on this chapter, and as analogy, BH might consider the misuse of the word elohim by both atheists and Mormons (see here (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/monoelohim.html) as an attempt to refute their version of monotheism! The attempt is made by loading the "freight" of the modern word God (with a capital G) into the ancient word elohim, which obviously had a much broader scope of meaning. It is our contention that BH make the same mistake with the word monotheism.

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/monoelohim.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html

Chapter 3 -- The focus of this chapter is the question, "Did Jesus' followers think he was God?" if we mean, "did they think he was God (the Father - keeping in mind the personal name "God" was not yet used) in a one to one correspondence," the answer is NO. If we ask, "did they think he was a hypostasis or attribute of God, ontologically equal with yet functionally subordinate to God" (as the Nicean creed also states), then the answer is YES. For reference we again refer the reader to our essay here (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/JPH_AOA.html). Without conceding BH's arguments, we will not argue the points about John 20:28 as it does not establish the fundamental differentiation of Trinitarianism even if Jesus is being called "God" (it could just as well be used to support modalism). Other points of note:

Not really sure if that link is supposed to be going to an article still on Tekton. :shrug:

Chapter 7 -- The subject here is preexistence in the NT. BH discuss the difference between actual preexistence and ideal preexistence (existing only in God's foreknowledge). Their conclusions here are very close to our own in Chapter 3 of The Mormon Defenders where we addressed the Mormon doctrine of preexistence of souls. (There is also a quick endorsement of "soul sleep" doctrine, which we look at here (ttp://www.tektonics.org/qt/sleepy.html).)

ttp://www.tektonics.org/qt/sleepy.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/sleepy.html

Among the things considered actually preexistent in Judaism was the "Son of Man" figure in Daniel 7 (1 Enoch 46:1-3, 48:1-7). The Son of Man "came into being before the creation and now exists in heaven, waiting to be revealed in the last times." [17-18] If, as we have shown (ttp://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims.sonofman.html), Jesus claimed to be the Son of Man, he was making a claim to be what was regarded as a preexistent being.

ttp://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims.sonofman.html
ttp://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/sonofman.html

Chapter 8 -- This, BH's longest chapter, deals with the work of John. It begins with a note (which we have also discussed here (ttp://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html)) that singular pronouns are used to refer to God in the OT "tens of thousands of times." This is very true, and not at all relevant, for it does not at all establish that God is "a single individual, not a plurality of persons," as we have noted far above with our first Unitarian writer.

ttp://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html

After spending some time refuting a concept of preexistence in John 1:15, in which John speaks of Jesus being "before" him (and which no advocate of Trinitarianism uses that BH cite), we step to John 3:13 and 6:62, where Jesus identifies himself as the Son of Man. As noted above, this Son of Man was regarded in Judaism as an actually preexistent entity; BH dispense with this little problem by first making the same objection that skeptics do about 3:13 (see here (ttp://www.tektonics.org/lp/maninheaven.html)) and offering a different and entirely senseless answer which tries to take the final phrase as "well-attested" (though from a textual-critical viewpoint, it is not to be included) and which sees Jesus as speaking in terms of his ascension having been already happened in terms of what was determined by the divine council, a concept significantly missing from the entire section of John 3, and which finds no support from commentators who came up with their own idea that the language was proleptic (because they had no better or less creative solution to offer).

ttp://www.tektonics.org/lp/maninheaven.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/maninheaven.html

Chapter 9 -- This is BH's attempt to "depersonalize" the Holy Spirit. Our response to those who engage this view is found here (ttp://www.tektonics.org/qt/quietthird.html) and BH offer nothing that responds to any of the data offered there. It is also rather hypocritical of them to observe that Trinitarians "seem unable to define the word [Person] with any confidence" when they have yet to define "human" in anything but modern anthropological terms, and do not provide or address any Trinitarian definitions of "person" at all.

ttp://www.tektonics.org/qt/quietthird.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/quietthird.html

Chapter 11 -- This chapter is titled "The Challenge facing Trinitarianism Today." BH proudly point out that anti-Trinitarianism have "long presented its case by showing that various orthodox Trinitarians have explained key Trinitarian verses in a unitarian way," which doesn't mean much, since Mormons and JWs have also presented their case for various doctrines by showing that orthodox opponents explain key verses in different ways. Lack of certainty by, or the ignorance of, others less informed, is not positive evidence for your own case. They also discuss some disputed texts that are said to call Jesus God (Titus 2:13, 2 Peter 1:1), but which we will not argue (while not also endorsing BH's counters) since to say "Jesus = God" is not the sum of the case in the first place. They also mishandle Mark 13:32 (ttp://www.tektonics.org/lp/mk1332.html) as the atheists do. As a whole, however, this chapter contains material we see no need to address in light of what has proceeded above.

ttp://www.tektonics.org/lp/mk1332.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mk1332.html

"You present John's use of the logos apellation [sic] as if it was written in the context of the quote from Revelation to which you appeal. This is very poor exposition, considering that the two books were written as many as 40 years apart. You are essentially claiming that the audience would interpret the logos of John 1 in the context of a book which had not been written." This is a wildly desperate appeal; the evidence, to begin, shows that John (ttp://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/johndef.html) and Rev (ttp://www.tektonics.org/esch/revdate.html) were both written before 70 AD; but even if they were not, the time makes no difference whatsoever, and our Unitarian opponent is straining to make a phrase used by the SAME author mean two different things -- while in essence admitting it means something contrary to what he wants it to in Revelation.

First link:
ttp://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/johndef.html
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/johndef.html

Second link:
ttp://www.tektonics.org/esch/revdate.html
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/revdate.html

This is apparently the "redundant confusion" we are supposed to be worried about, but it is only a worry to a pedantic Western-minded literalist. The parallels make perfect sense (if valid, which we will assume they are) within a chiastic structure, and if anything, emphasize the identity of Jesus with the Logos. Our Unitarian is as confused as Skeptics who find similar "confusion" in the chiastic structure of the account of David and Goliath (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/davegol.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/davegol.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/davegol.html

Go Home! (ttp://www.tektonics.org/)

ttp://www.tektonics.org/
http://www.tektonics.org/

Phew! Okay, that was the article with the most that need fixed. Now, pressing onward...

Page: Not InDavincible (http://www.tektonics.org/davincicrude.htm) (http://www.tektonics.org/davincicrude.htm)

The point of all this harrying about is what mainly concerns us here. Our Junior Batmen are chasing after the Holy Grail, which in Brown’s universe, shaped as it is by popular conspiracy-theory speculations rather than certified scholarship, is not the cup of Christ most lately pursued by Harrison Ford, but a “royal bloodline” composed of descendants of Jesus Christ and (who else?) Mary Magdalene. This theory has been promoted without success before, most notably in the 1983 book Holy Blood, Holy Grail by Michael Baigent, Henry Lincoln, and Richard Leigh (New York: Dell). That book has been soundly critiqued. (See, for example, http://anzwers.org/free/posmis/ , http://www.alpheus.org/html/articles/esoteric_history/richardson1.html and http://www.anzwers.org/free/posdebunking/.)

I'd get rid of both "anzwers" links, seeing as how, well, they don't work properly but instead simply send me to a portal page.

Page: On the Trail of the Trilemma (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trilemma.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trilemma.html)

3. Regarding Matthew and John above, we are told: "Is any acceptance of professional secular scholarly consensus a 'mere assum[ption]'? Does Holding 'merely assume the standard line' that America declared independence in 1776?" I wouldn't, if I had investigated the arguments for independence in 1776 and found them full of holes. Our enterprising critic shows little propensity for engaging specifics (for he ignores completely the link in the paragraph below) but here's another (http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.html"). I would be especially interested in any commentary on how the Gospels would have to be dated late, and attributed to other than their stated authors, in light of the criteria applied to secular documents of the same period like Tacitus' Annals.

http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.html"
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospdefhub.html

Second paragraph under point 4:
Even in Mark's "action" gospel wher Jesus says comparatively little about anything, let alone about himself, there are ample indications that he knew and proclaimed his own position. As for "is reluctant for his special nature to be known," the critic forgets, even as Price did, that in spite of this, the special nature did get known, and also isn't cognizant of the social reasons (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims.sonofman.html#social) for circumspection in such claims.

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims.sonofman.html#social
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/sonofman.html#social

Page: Scratching the Cat Post: Our Critic Continues on the Trilemma (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trilemmadef01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/trilemmadef01.html)

About 2/3 down:
Well, it looks mainly like a non-answer, but also perhaps another desperate and uninformed appeal. It's really too short on specifics for comment, but if it is being suggested that people would not remember sayings or claims of Jesus, our critic needs to study ancient oral tradition and memorization processes (http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/oraity01.html), another surd in his social equation he hasn't accounted for, and explain why someone claiming to be Wisdom, Messiah, etc. would not be remembered adequately as this would be the sort of offensive and startling event that would transfix itself in a Jewish memory for perpetuity, especially in the context of miraculous acts and a group of disciples following.

http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/oraity01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html

About 3/4 down:
Jesus called himself the "son of man". On this one, an update: I no longer hold that this title was intended to be mysterious. "Son of Man" is clear indication of divinity (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/sonofman.html.html), at all times it is used by Jesus. (Latest, latest: Our critic now plays for his crowd, saying, "That the 'Son of Man' title was initially considered 'mysterious' by someone so desperate for Jesus to claim divinity is prima facie evidence that it is no such clear claim." How this works out logically, or addressed even a shred of the relevant data, is probably best left to the imagination.)

http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/sonofman.html.html
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/sonofman.html

And, about 6/7 down:
Our critic wants "details or issues" on Lazarus; he has some of them above. Beyond that he can explain to us why there is no evidence that such fantastic claims were never disputed, and why instead the indication in all relevant records is that yes, Jesus was a worker of miracles; they were just attributable to him being a trained sorceror. Ancient people, despite our critic's bigotry, were no more ready to accept wild claims that we are; and the degree of acceptance was, by every evidence, proportionate to the outlandishness and demand quotient of the claim. Richard Carrier is fond of making comparisons to fortune tellers and the like (http://www.tektonics.org/af/alex01.html), but this is miles away from asking someone to believe that a man (from a people highly regarded as superstitious, no less) raised someone who had been dead for four days or more, and then asking you to trust this same man with your eternal fate.

http://www.tektonics.org/af/alex01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/alex01.html

10. Carrier notes "the popularity of astrology and psychic powers, and popular support for astrologers and psychics and spirit mediums, with little effort at skepticism or investigation" but fails to note that his analysis on such grounds is refuted here (http://www.tektonics.org/af/alex01.html) (as well as mispelling Peter Popoff's name, if we want to get fussy ;-) ).

http://www.tektonics.org/af/alex01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/alex01.html

Page: Conspiracy-Searching Skeptics: A Note on the Typolical Use of Scripture (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/typola.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/typola.html)

This item is written to offer a supplemental point to Glenn Miller's excellent item on typology (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/typol.html) and its use in the Biblical period. It is meant as a reply to the common canard -- most often associated with John Dominic Crossan -- that NT history was invented to some extent by early Christians who, being a tad upset over the loss of their leader, went back into the OT looking for answers and worked up a false or mutated history for Jesus based on their readings (i.e., the OT predicted a betrayal; hence Judas was invented). Here is an example from another Skeptic, which was written as a response to my article on the death of Judas (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/judasdeath.html):

Second link:
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/judasdeath.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/judasdeath.html

Page: Faith Fumbler: A Decent Skeptic's Response on Faith (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatfaith_CC1.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatfaith_CC1.html)

From the paragraph preceding the addendum:
Gleeson bewails, "In other words, if a person is not healed, or a disease is not eradicated, or a child is not resurrected, it's not because Jesus couldn't do those things; it's because Jesus merely withheld his favors from an ungracious host. Do you see the perfectly wondrous circularity here? Jesus can never lose and, by extension, you (the naive, believing Christian) can never win." I wonder if Gleeson has the same exegetical diseases Benny Hinn has. Nowhere at all do we have any indication that healing is a free-for-all gift, and if anything, we have some evidence that such miracles were to cease by 70 AD (see here (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/cessgifts.html) -- maybe Gleeson can spend some time tackling preterism; he may do a better job than Farrell Till so far).

http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/cessgifts.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/cessgifts.html

Page: Mercy You?: The Biblical Quality of "Mercy" (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatmercy.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatmercy.html)

Another example would be favor shown within a relationship of love (http://www.tektonics.org/whatiswhatlove.html)in the collective, interrelational sense. Mercy can be shown simply by entering into such a relationship with someone, and beginning the process of reciprocal exchange of favor. Mercy is also not involved with feelings of compassion, as today, though it is not mutually exclusive of it; in other words, you do not need to FEEL compassionate in order to offer Biblical mercy.

http://www.tektonics.org/whatiswhatlove.html
http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatlove.html

Page: You Ever Have to Say You're Sorry: What is Biblical Repentance? (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatrepent.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatrepent.html)

Chamberlain notes that "the popular concept of repentance has been tragically shallow: it has been perverted into emotionalism or sacramentarianism." [18] In Protestantism "repentance has been almost exclusively associated with an emotional crisis of sorrow for sin and fear of punishment." [19] Note how this also corresponds with the threat of eternal hell as an evangelistic tactic -- something never found in the New Testament during missionary preaching. In contrast, repentance "prepares men to participate in" the Kingdom of God -- a definition which happens to dovetail precisely with our point (http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/kingpret.html) that the KoG is an ideological rule within the minds (hearts) of God's people. Thus repentance is the act of "co-operating with God's will on earth."

http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/kingpret.html
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/kingpret.html

Page: What Shape is the Earth In? (http://www.tektonics.org/af/earthshape.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/earthshape.html)

Right above "Sky-High Club":
For more on these passages, see here (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/olivet01.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/olivet01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/olivet01.html

Page: Outrageous Reasoning (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/outrage.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/outrage.html)

Point 3: Second-Guessing God. We had a look at this issue here (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/guess2much.html), but let's now make an application for this essay. We know of the nature of the Canaanites, as Miller has offered:

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/guess2much.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/guess2much.html

Page: Second Guessing God (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/guess2much.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/guess2much.html)

About 2/7 down:
Also we need a little education about original sin -- http://www.tektonics.org/origsin.html Deception is most likely in any event.

http://www.tektonics.org/origsin.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/origsin.html

Page: Born Bad: The Problem of Total Depravity (http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/tulip.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/tulip.html)

Shortly before conclusion:
Calvinists take this verse as an indication of "total inability" [Palm.5P, 15] to do anything good, including choose Christ. But I find here the same mistake I have once found made by C. Dennis McKinsey, who argued against salvation by grace by saying that the "act of accepting by faith is a work itself." But acts of the will and mind were not considered "works" in this time. The Greek word indicates physical labor or toil, not an intellectual decision. I cannot give McKinsey credence, and can no more fairly grant it to the Calvinist in this context. (However, even if intellectual decision were included, the indication would be no more than what is indicated in our syllogism above; see moreover on the meaning of "faith", here (http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/whatfaith.html).)

http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/whatfaith.html
http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatfaith.html

Page: Un Conditioning: A Foray into the Doctrine of Unconditional Election (http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/ulip.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/ulip.html)

Third paragraph:
In principle the sovereignty of God, His ability to do as He pleases, is hardly to be denied. It would be foolish to suggest that anything happens by chance or that God may possibly wonder or fear the future. This is the error of neotheism (http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/opentheism01.html). Yet Palmer's statement indicates a certain inflexibility in thinking and a certain interpretive assumption that leads to an absurdity if taken to other passages. Here is the full text of Ephesians 1:11:

http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/opentheism01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/opentheism01.html

Page: Bible: The User's Manual (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/useguide.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/useguide.html)

Force meaning into texts. This is a habit of many modern pastors who have no concern for original intent of the Biblical authors. If a text's first context does not support a given view, it ought not be used -- period. Now a caveat here is that it can be said, "Didn't the NT use the OT without regard for context?" Yes, and that was normal exegetical (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/)method for the period. The problem is that you need a "license" to exegete that way -- either prophetic inspiration or else an act of God (like the resurrection of Jesus). If you don't have these, tread this territory at your own risk.

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/baduseot.html

Page: Answers in a Nutshell (http://www.tektonics.org/nutshell/nutshellhub.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/nutshell/nutshellhub.html)

Essenes/Dead Sea Scrolls:
For further reading see here (http://www.tektonics.org/af/essene.html").

http://www.tektonics.org/af/essene.html"
http://www.tektonics.org/af/essene.html

JEDP - Book Reviews:
Who Wrote the Bible? (http://www.tektonics.org/books/friendmanwwbrvw.html) by Friedman

http://www.tektonics.org/books/friendmanwwbrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/friedmanwwbrvw.html

Pages: "Yes Way, Jose" Articles 1 (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/yeswayjose1.html), 2 (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/yeswayjose2.html), and 3 (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/yeswayjose3.html)

The Impossible Faith[/i] (][i)

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/nowayjose.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.html

Page: ()

with an article that compares Christianity to another ancient religion that got started at about the same time, [url=http://www.tektonics.org/uz/tekton_04_02_04_MMM.html]Mithraism (]The Not-at-All Impossible-Faith[/url).

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/tekton_04_02_04_MMM.html

Not quite sure where that should be ending up. :shrug:


I think that's everything I have for the time being, JP. :smile: And I see that Punkish found one that I missed.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Now we know why it takes JP a week to fix links... :hehe:

EDIT: Mighty Mithraic Madness goes in the pagan copycat section. :smile:

[JB]

Now we know why it takes JP a week to fix links... :hehe:

If he fixes all of these within a week and retains his sanity (we'll know that he's failed the latter if we see him compliment Farrell Till), I'll be quite impressed. :lol:

EDIT: Mighty Mithraic Madness goes in the pagan copycat section. :smile:

So that's what that article was... :doh: I'm surprised I didn't recognize the acronym, I've read that one a few times.

[Darth Executor]

*massive post*

:lol:

I'm INTP too.

[jpholding]

If he fixes all of these within a week and retains his sanity (we'll know that he's failed the latter if we see him compliment Farrell Till), I'll be quite impressed. :lol:



I'll just do 3-5 a day. :hehe: :rasberry: Well, maybe up to 10.

[JB]

I'll just do 3-5 a day. :hehe: :rasberry: Well, maybe up to 10.

I think you'll probably have to average 6 or 7 a day to make it within the week. But I have a feeling you can manage that. There aren't quite as many there as it felt like when I was writing them down during the weekend and then typing them up today. :tongue:

So was the number about what you expected?

EDIT: looks like I had a few errors myself in that post! :hehe: But none that should provide too large an obstacle to you in locating the problems, I hope.

[jpholding]

So was the number about what you expected?


I think so. They all look like "misses" from when I did the file restructuring.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Not a link issue, but a name.

In your rebuttal to Michael Martin's Case Against Christianity, JP, you have mentioned the privately published thesis by Robert Tanquay in chapter 2 . This should be Ronald Tanguay (with a g.)

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/martincac2.html
thanks

[Shadow Phoenix]

I'd like to report the problem that there seems to be a strong lack of intelligent arguments against the faith. Do we have anything new coming around soon?

[jpholding]

Not a link issue, but a name.

In your rebuttal to Michael Martin's Case Against Christianity, JP, you have mentioned the privately published thesis by Robert Tanquay in chapter 2 . This should be Ronald Tanguay (with a g.)

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/martincac2.html
thanks

Heck -- Maybe Martin got it wrong then. :glare: I don't have the book any more.

I'd like to report the problem that there seems to be a strong lack of intelligent arguments against the faith. Do we have anything new coming around soon?

Sorry, but I've been waitin' longer than you have and that bus ain't comin'. All we got is a scooter, and DJ got off of it and there's no one else on the way.

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

No JP, it's the book where I got his name from. :glare:

[jpholding]

No JP, it's the book where I got his name from. :glare:

:doh: You know what I say....

[Darth Executor]

Sorry, but I've been waitin' longer than you have and that bus ain't comin'. All we got is a scooter, and DJ got off of it and there's no one else on the way.

Hmm, do you take requests?

Edit: NVM, found what I was looking for. :teeth:

[Tux314]

Finally, the link to the ACLU site no longer reaches the desired article. I tried to find the article on there, but for some reason, I can't stay on the ACLU's site for too long without twitching and becoming rather annoyed.

http://web.archive.org/web/20010910010104/http://www.aclu.org/community/kansas/c051298a.html

When you have a broken link and can't find a newer page, the Wayback Machine at The Internet Archive (http://www.archive.org) is often helpful.

[JB]

Heh, I managed to find another broken link.

Page: http://www.tektonics.org/TK-C.html

The link for the biography of John Chrysostom doesn't work. That's because it aims here:

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jchrys.htm

instead of here:

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/jchrys.htm


EDIT: Okay, a few more, same page.

Entry for Kenneth Copeland links to:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/apologeticsindex/c53.html

and should be:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c53.html

First link in entry for Christadelphians:

http://www.gospelcom.net/apologeticsindex/c93.html

and should be:

http://www.apologeticsindex.org/c93.html

[aikidoka]

This one is busted

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/johnsure.html

Referenced from this article

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/reinc.html

[JB]

This one is busted

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/johnsure.html

Referenced from this article

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/reinc.html

Good catch, aikadoka. :thumb:

In the quote here:

Matt. 11:13-15 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John. And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear. No surprise to see this one quoted! But it's all misinterpreted -- see here (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/johnsure.html). Keener [Matthew commentary, 439] notes that later rabbis interpreted Malachi as saying that Elijah, who had not actually died (but was taken up in a whirlwind), would himself return. (Cf. Luke 1:17, where it is said John will move in the spirit and power of Elijah -- the connection in Malachi was typological!)

This:

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/johnsure.html

needs to be:

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/johnsure.html

Maybe if we give JP the URLs he needs to put in, he can devote a few extra seconds to working on those teaching modules. Then he can get back to giving skeptics the same treatment Nicholas of Myra gave Arius. (Figuratively, of course--although I can imagine that for a few select skeptics, JP might be tempted to follow St. Nick's example literally :hehe:)

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

Hmm, jb

what evidence is there that St Nick of Myra was at Nicea?

Thanks

[jpholding]

Maybe if we give JP the URLs he needs to put in, he can devote a few extra seconds to working on those teaching modules.

Most of the breakdowns are from before the time I converted over to the new file system. In other words, my links used to be like:

reinc.html

and now should be

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/reinc.html

What's happening is that if a link is in an article in (say) the gk folder, the link comes out as

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/reinc.html

But anyway I've done a few of them.

The modules should be done this week, I hope, then I need to see about field tests.

[JB]

what evidence is there that St Nick of Myra was at Nicea?

:shrug:

I thought about slapping the word "allegedly" in there to make it clearer, but I use the word too frequently as it is, and so decided not to. (I'm a shame to my fellow INTPs. :frown:) To my knowledge, there are no truly solid reasons for or against the position that Nicholas of Myra was in attendance at the First Council of Nicea. And even if he had been, the fabled encounter with Arius is, I suspect, purely legendary (unfortunately).

Perhaps I should have instead used Zeus' treatment of Cronus to express how JP handles deserving skeptics?

Most of the breakdowns are from before the time I converted over to the new file system. In other words, my links used to be like:

reinc.html

and now should be

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/reinc.html

What's happening is that if a link is in an article in (say) the gk folder, the link comes out as

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/reinc.html

I suppose that's an acceptable reason (for some of them, at least)... :teeth:

I've been meaning to ask you, is there a particular meaning behind the folder names? "gk", "af", "qt", "lp", "uz", and whatnot?

But anyway I've done a few of them.

I should've known you wouldn't complete them all within a week. :tongue:

The modules should be done this week, I hope, then I need to see about field tests.

Great work. :thumb: What sort of field tests do you have in mind, if I may ask?

[jpholding]

I've been meaning to ask you, is there a particular meaning behind the folder names? "gk", "af", "qt", "lp", "uz", and whatnot?

The letters represent the range of file names. So "gk" will have files in it that have names beginning with G, H, I, J, and K.

I should've known you wouldn't complete them all within a week. :tongue:

Well, I do gotta answer mail and stuff too. :rasberry:

Great work. :thumb: What sort of field tests do you have in mind, if I may ask?

I'd like to present them to some local churches to see what kind of questions and reactions I get. Also I'd like to do a youth version. They're the ones gonna get hit hard by this stuff.

[JB]

The letters represent the range of file names. So "gk" will have files in it that have names beginning with G, H, I, J, and K.

:doh: I cannot believe I didn't get that.

Well, I do gotta answer mail and stuff too. :rasberry:

It's a shame you can't just delegate link repair out to someone, huh? :rasberry:

I'd like to present them to some local churches to see what kind of questions and reactions I get. Also I'd like to do a youth version. They're the ones gonna get hit hard by this stuff.

Sounds like a good plan. I look forward to hearing a report of how the first presentations go.

...Oh, and I found another Tekton link error. :hehe:

Page: Thy Kingdom Came (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/kingpret.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/kingpret.html)

This confirms that the KoG was a present reality from the time of John and something that was "already" in a sense that could be acted upon. The allusion may be to those who sought to inaugurate the KoG by military force, but is more likely saying that John opened the way and now Jesus the king is leading the people on it. (See explanation here (http://www.tektonics.org/TK-MATT.html#force).) The KoG is a movement, again, of personal loyalty.

http://www.tektonics.org/TK-MATT.html#force
http://www.tektonics.org/TK-MTT.html#force

[jpholding]

It's a shame you can't just delegate link repair out to someone, huh? :rasberry:

I could, but that wouldn't fix my "home" copies of files. :sad:

...Oh, and I found another Tekton link error. :hehe:

Meh. Get to more later in the week. Monday's a bad day for anything new. :hehe:

[JB]

I could, but that wouldn't fix my "home" copies of files. :sad:

Ahh, and so therein lies the difficulty. Well, at least we can locate and identify the problems for you. Too bad we can't do the fixing as well.

Meh. Get to more later in the week. Monday's a bad day for anything new. :hehe:

Monday strikes me as a bad day for a lot of things. Getting up, for one. :teeth:

[JB]

Here, some more. :tongue:

Page: Pass the Natural Salt (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/snakedirt.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/snakedirt.html)

See Edski Babinski stub his toe on this here (http://www.tektonics.org/parody/babinski1.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/parody/babinski1.html
http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/babinski1.html

Page: I Hate Skeptics (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html)

See Uber-fundy Edgar Jones scrape his knuckles on this item here (http://www.tektoonics.com/pareody/crackedvoice02.htm).

http://www.tektoonics.com/pareody/crackedvoice02.htm
http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/crackedvoice02.htm

I guess we could say that one was manufactured after the initiation of the link repair project.

Page: Who Wants to Be a Millionaire, Anyway? (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wealth.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wealth.html)

Let me just emphasize here the most important point of all -- that of the proverbial, non-absolute nature of the Psalmist/Proverbial literature, and even the Matthean teaching. Obviously not all who gain wealth, even with fear of the Lord prior to the fact, will remain steadfast in faith (Solomon is a good example); not all who feared the Lord ended up with a horde of riches (though there were very few who feared the Lord anyway, if OT history is any indication); not all rich people are so absorbed in their wealth that they would not throw it away if asked by God to serve stew at refugee shelters in the Sudan. Nor do any of these teachings indicate such things, for by the conventions of the genre, no "wisdom" teaching is an absolute, whether stated by Jesus, by Solomon, by Amenamope, or by Confucius, and we have elaborated on this point elsewhere (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/proverbiallit.html). It is a key point, but it seems to be totally beyond skeptical understanding. I don't doubt that it will continue to be.

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/proverbiallit.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/proverbiallit.html

[JB]

Continuing on in another post, since I can no longer modify that one:

Page: Steel-Belted Tyre (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/zeketyre.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/zeketyre.html)

Few would dispute that Alex fulfilled this verse, though Nebbie undoubtedly started the process of breaking down walls and towers. It was Alex, though, who turned the rubble of Tyre into a causeway to defeat the island city. Note particularly that it is the city itself which will be made like the top of a rock. One will of course, knowing this culture's literature, grant hyperbolic excess (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/hyperbole.html) to the claim; it would be absurd to demand that every microscopic grain be removed, and absurd moreso to suppose that modern sands in the same place detract from the fulfillment, as of course sands shift and blow about constantly, and would not be reckoned as being part of the city itself. Whatever Alex scraped away, dust would return to fill the void.

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/hyperbole.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hyperbole.html

Page: http://www.tektonics.org/TK-IS.html

For the Skeptics' Annotated Bible see here (http://www.tektonics.org/sab/sabis.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/sab/sabis.html
http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/sabis.html

Page: Star Light, Star Bright (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wholight.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/wholight.html)

The link back to the Apologetics Encyclopedia:

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/index2.html
http://www.tektonics.org/index2.html

Page: The Skeptics' Overrated Bible on Isaiah (http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/sabis.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/sabis.html)

43:10 How many gods are there, anyway? See here (http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/monoelohim.html).

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/monoelohim.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html

57:1 Will the righteous perish as is said in this verse, or "flourish like the palm tree?" (Ps.92:12) See here (http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/righteouslive.html).

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/righteouslive.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/righteouslive.html

[jpholding]

Someone sent me these...

******


At http://www.tektonics.org/TK-E.html under "Evolution," the link for Review of Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins [Off Site] is broken. The link you have to the TrueOrigin.org main page is also broken, along with the review links to The Biotic Message by Walter ReMine and Refuting Evolution by Jonathan Sarfati.

http://www.tektonics.org/newstuff.html
Update for August 9th.
Line one, "I've" has a lingering "B" in it.
Line two, a period is where a comma should be (after "noted").

At http://www.tektonics.org/testimony/histormony.html the links to the following people are broken:
1. Greenleaf, Simon
2. York, Alvin C. (second link)
3. "Juridical Apologists"

At http://www.tektonics.org/testimony/testimony.html the following are broken links (not necessarily in order):
1. Jews for Jesus
2. People Just Like Us.org
3. Nappaland Interviews
4. "another collection of testimonies"
5. Biographies of Chrisrians (misspelling, and the URL didn't load)
6. Al Kasha (both links broken)
7. Kathie Lee Gifford
8. George Bush
9. J. P. Moreland
10. Marvin Olasky

http://www.tektonics.org/af/culturegram.html "Returning Japanese"
Section 1, point 15 near the bottom of said paragraph. It reads:
All the talk we hear from a certain quarter about the Bible "not meaning what it clearly says" is clearly a product of a modern and Wsestern bias.
There is an extra "S" in "Western."

[NJon]

Also at http://www.tektonics.org/af/culturegram.html in the same paragraph as mentioned above (#15 in section 1), the line after the aforementioned typo, "will" is misspelled as "wil."

At http://www.tektonics.org/gk/godthere.html under "Some random thoughts otherwise, for a mostly random film," point 2, line 2: "highlight" is misspelled as "highight."
Further, on the chapter listing for chapters 8/9/10, paragraph 2, line 1: there is a link to http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/copycat.html which is broken.
For the chapter 13 listing, paragraph 3, line 1: there is no space between the comma after "essentially" and "Force."
For the chapter 18 listing, line 1: The beginning of the first sentence ("mostly") is not capitalized.
Under "Full Interviews and Commentary Tracks," point 8 (Earl Doherty), line 7, there is a period after "Mithra" instead of a comma. Also at point 9 (Richard Dawkins/Raving Atheist), line 4, "proiper" appears. Is this word supposed to be "proper?"

At http://www.tektonics.org/gk/indictment.html under "What can or needs to be done about this?" point 8 reads: "Passing our tracts won't solve this." While I can see how "our" could make sense, is this supposed to be "out?"

At http://www.tektonics.org/af/christianmyths.html section 2, paragraph 1, line 1 reads: "A reader noted an item here by what looks to be a fairly influential publication..." and "here" is a link to http://www.thechurchreport.com/content/view/823/32/ which is broken.


I'll see if I can find some more later; I'm doing this while at work (eh, it's a slow day).

[JB]

We're doin' regular typos now? I think I ignored a couple hundred of 'em while I was finding those links. :doh: Maybe I'll go hunting tonight or tomorrow.

[NJon]

We're doin' regular typos now? I think I ignored a couple hundred of 'em while I was finding those links. :doh: Maybe I'll go hunting tonight or tomorrow.

I'm a grammar Nazi (or "grammar national socialist" is the term I prefer). I feel the need to report those sorts of things even if nobody else is interested in fixing them.

[NJon]

Here are some more things that I found. My apologies for my terrible taste in typing aesthetics; I hope that these don't appear too commingled and that I didn't repeat any already mentioned by others (I double-checked to be sure...not that it means anything, though)


* At http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nwjcarrx.html paragraph 1, line 2, the link named "reply" goes to http://www.columbia.edu/~rcc20/christianity/ This link has been relocated to http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/richard_carrier/improbable/
* At the bottom of the same page under subsection "The Shameless Mercenary," paragraph 1, line 1, the link named "here" goes to http://www.columbia.edu/~rcc20/writing.html which is broken.

* At http://www.tektonics.org/lp/markend.html the subsection which begins with "Egomanion himself" paragraph 2 has a link named "misdirected," leading to the URL http://www.tektonics.org/hk/inerrancy.html which is broken.

* At http://www.tektonics.org/af/abortion01.html at the start of a paragraph near the bottom of the page, the sentence reads: "Illuminating indeed, but Elroy was switching on the blender, not the lamp. In this regard I refer the reader to two arguments -- one found here," where "here" is a link to http://65.108.250.230/Exodus_21_22.htm which is broken.

* At http://www.tektonics.org/af/callahanproph.html under "Digging Up the Liberals: A Review of Chapter 1," paragraph 1, line 2, a link named "Q" leads to the URL http://www.tektonics/org/qm/qmhub.html which is broken.
* At the bottom of the same page under "Behold, the Critics are Coming! - A Review of Chapter 3," paragraph 1, line 3, a link named "here" leads to http://www.caracascafe.net/modulor//gk/isaiahdefense.html which is broken.

* At http://www.tektonics.org/nutshell/nutshellhub.html under "Atonement," subpoint "How did Jesus dying on the cross save us from our sins? And why did he have to die for our sins at all?" paragraph 1, it is written: "Today most people in the world still value honor more than anything else, though people in Western socities are an exception." "Societies" is misspelled.
* Under "Corporal Punishment" subpoint 1, line 1, the first sentence reads: "The Bible does permit is as an option, but modern application requyes caution." Where "is" should be "it" and "requyes" should be "requires."
* Under "JEDP Theory" sub-subsection "Book Reviews," "Who Wrote the Bible? by Friedman" links to http://www.tektonics.org/books/friendmanwwbrvw.html which is broken.

* At http://www.tektonics.org/uz/virginbirth.html paragraph 5, line 4, a link named "misunderstood" leads to http://www.tektonics.org/uz/origsin.html which is broken.
* On that same page under "Conclusion," the link named "Michael Martin on the Virgin Birth" leads to http://www.tektonics.org/lp/martinmcac04.html which is broken.

[JB]

I'm a grammar Nazi (or "grammar national socialist" is the term I prefer).

:hehe:

Anyway, I don't think I'll go typo hunting, at least not right now. I'll stick with links (mostly). For example:

Page: Hume Fumes! (http://www.tektonics.org/classics/humefumes.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/classics/humefumes.html)

First link is broken:

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/hume01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hume01.html

And is there a particular significance relating to the numeral "7" in the upper left-hand corner? It's sometimes hard to tell with you, JP. :tongue:

Page: Barker Up the Wrong Tree (http://www.tektonics.org/af/barkerd01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/barkerd01.html)

Hereafter, in any event, we present 21 alleged contradictions that remained from our previous engagement with Jim Meritt (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/merrit01.html.html) that did not find twins in Barker's work at infidels.org (http://www.infidels.org/org/ffrf/lfif/contra.html), and also appear in his book.

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/merrit01.html.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/merrit01.html

http://www.infidels.org/org/ffrf/lfif/contra.html
http://ffrf.org/books/lfif/?t=contra

You'll probably also want to reword the paragraph to remove the reference to infidels.org, since that chapter from Barker's Losing Faith in Faith is no longer hosted there (from the looks of it, I'm assuming that whatever was on infidels.org was, in fact, the 23rd chapter of that book).

Barker # 3 - Israelite Pirates

Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians." is pitted against Exodus 12:35-36, "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the Egyptians." How exactly is this stealing? Ex. 12:35-36 says that the Israelites asked the Egyptians for stuff, and the Egyptians gave it to them. (Though of course, Barker leaves that part out...) But if you still object, consider this: It is inarguable that the United States owed African-Americans restitution after slavery; so certainly the Egyptians owed the Israelites some tribute!

vs.

No link problem (this undoubtedly following from the lack of any links) here. I just found the mysterious italicized "vs." to be a somewhat creepy and ominous conclusion. :tongue:

Under the heading of "Barker: Parting Shots":

This charge is answered in my essay on Harmonization (http://www.tektonics.org/harmonoize/lincoln01.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/harmonoize/lincoln01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/harmonize/lincoln01.html

Don't waste your money on the publication unless you're in the top tax bracket and can spare it. The quality of "errors" cited is pretty low, and I have confirmed this by borrowing Glenn Miller's copy and writing a on McKinsey's work, showing that McKinsey is even less informed than Barker is, and now by taking the work itself to task on this page.

http://www.tektonics.org/af/ebestart.html.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/ebestart.html

Page: Selling Snake Oil (]profile[/url) ([url]http://www.tektonics.org/af/ebestart.html)

The few times that McKinsey does name sources for his skeptical arguments, they are from folks no more qualified than he is - Thomas Paine (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/painet01.html), Thomas Jefferson, George Bernard Shaw (!), Gerald Sigal (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/sigalg01.html), Shmuel Golding, Joseph McCabe, etc.

Second link:

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/sigalg01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/sigalg01.html

Page: Chapter 3: Canon Fire (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/taylor01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/taylor01.html)

Several points hereafter are now addressed in articles under their heading for a Biblical book.

Matthew 23:35 (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/matt2335.html")
This remains one of Taylor's premiere arguments on the NT canon

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/matt2335.html"
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/matt2335.html

Page: Kerygma vs. Truth? (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/kerygma.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/kerygma.html)

We have seen here (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/tekton_02_02_03.html) that the Gospels fit the genre of ancient biographies. With this classification comes certain expectations regarding truth-telling in their contents. But what about the idea that the Gospels are also (or overwhelmingly) works of "kerygma" - the preaching of the early church, faith-based documents with little or no basis in fact, that cannot be trusted for historical value precisely BECAUSE they are allegedly faith-based documents?

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/tekton_02_02_03.html
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospelbioi.html

Page: Strong Enough for a Man, But Made for a Nuisance (http://www.tektonics.org/books/callahan02.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/callahan02.html)

In the criminal comparison department, Callahan compares Passover to the Dionysian Anthesteria festival because in the latter, people smeared pitch on lintels and door posts to keep a destroyer at bay, and chewed buckthorn as a purgative. There is no "purgative" in the Passover lamb, sorry; the "destroyers" were dead people, and that Greek festival was far more complicated (see here (http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/JO-Anth.html)). This is no more a "parallel" than it is for neighboring houses to use security systems.

To use a slightly technical phrase, the link went "all wacky". :shrug: So, using the Wayback Machine:

http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/JO-Anth.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20050212114512/http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/JO-Anth.html

Further social ignorance is shown in that Callahan makes hash of Jesus being clothed in swaddles, as something merely invented based on Wis. 7:4; in fact, this was standard wear for babies in this era and part of their social acclimitization. (Readers will note throughout Callahan's book the same flawed reasoning present in Randel Helms (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hemlsr01.html), one of his sources, about things like this.)

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hemlsr01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr01.html

Page: Choking on Pretzel Logic (http://www.tektonics.org/af/evologic.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/evologic.html)

The chess computer (gene!) had an intelligent programmer. This site (http://www.dcu.ie/~martinp/mindmachine/ccpoker.htm) offers a description of just what it is that such programs do.

More link wackiness, and I'm not really in the mood to try tracking it down any further than what the Wayback Machine gives me:

http://www.dcu.ie/~martinp/mindmachine/ccpoker.htm
http://web.archive.org/web/20020617234957/http://www.dcu.ie/~martinp/mindmachine/ccpoker.htm

And you may as well make the same repair in your reply to Gerkin's response (http://www.tektonics.org/af/evologic2.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/evologic2.html).

Page: Trial and Error (http://www.tektonics.org/af/donnini01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/donnini01.html)

There's not much to say here, for all we find is the same mistakes we have addressed in this (http://www.tektonics.org/gk.jesustrial.html) piece on that subject. Not that even this means much, for it appears that Donnini lifts most of his material uncritically from Weddig Fricke, who is one of the primary writers addressed in our piece.

http://www.tektonics.org/gk.jesustrial.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesustrial.html

That seems like a good place to stop for the night.

[NJon]

At http://www.tektonics.org/gk/judasdeath.html

The first link which appears, named "here," leads to http://www.redbay.com/ekklesia/judas.htm which is broken.

[NJon]

<Ahem>

Aye, another typo report. I can't help myself.

At http://www.tektonics.org/walmart.html paragraph 4, line 1, I presume that "Presicent" is supposed to be "president."
Unless you meant that typo deliberately as an insult to Marshall Brain, in which case, quite clever.

This Wal-Mart situation looks like a fun project, though.

[NJon]

At http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/krishna02.html the addendum: "A Refutation of Acharya S's book, The Christ Conspiracy." By Mike Licona. This essay is located online on Licona's website here. To get to the essay, click on the Resources link which will provide you with a booklist link and an Article link. Click on the Article link and you will find the essay refuting Acharya's book The Christ Conspiracy."
The link there to http://www.risenjesus.com/index.html is broken.
However, http://www.risenjesus.com/ does work.



At http://www.tektonics.org/gk/gauvin02c.html the claim: "Ancient Egypt worshipped the risen Osiris. Mr. Bonwick, in his "Egyptian Belief," says: "It is astonishing to find that, at least five thousand years ago, men trusted in Osiris as the 'risen savior and confidently hoped to rise, as he arose, from the grave.''
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/lp/osy.html is broken.

Under the claim: "Paul tells us that Christ's first appearance was to Cephas, that is, Peter. This is contradicted by all the Gospels."
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/uz/whotwleve.html is broken.

[Spheniscine]

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/hearthsocial.html

The font is rather... big.

[jpholding]

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/hearthsocial.html

The font is rather... big.

Intentionally. I was told that it was hard to read the links. If it ain't one thang it be another. :shrug:

I'm going to work a lot on the stuff listed in this thread today, seeing as how I have a sort of break between activities...

[jpholding]

OK you typo Nazis....I'm done up to what's in #35 above. Now I'm having lunch. I'll try to make sure the jar of chili doesn't have any typos in the ingredient list. :rasberry:

[jpholding]

Now I'm done with ALL of them. So there. :rasberry: Bring more on and I'll shanghai 'em!

[JB]

Now I'm done with ALL of them. So there. :rasberry: Bring more on and I'll shanghai 'em!

Now, don't you feel much better with all of those age-old glitches taken care of and a team of relentless, possibly sleep-deprived sleuths poised to jump into action and scour the site for a few remaining errors for you to handle at your leisure? :tongue:


EDIT: Actually, from the looks of things, you aren't done yet after all. You didn't fix the links in your "yeswayjose" articles. Tsk, tsk, tsk... :wink:

[jpholding]

Now, don't you feel much better with all of those age-old glitches taken care of and a team of relentless, possibly sleep-deprived sleuths poised to jump into action and scour the site for a few remaining errors for you to handle at your leisure? :tongue:

You looked like you slept pretty well to me. Especially through most of the lectures at the conference. :rasberry:

Where's the yesway links in the above?

[JB]

You looked like you slept pretty well to me. Especially through most of the lectures at the conference. :rasberry:

Yeah, especially that weird one about Dan Brown's book... :tongue:

Yeah, yeah, okay, I confess, I deserved that jab. :lol:

Where's the yesway links in the above?

Here ya go:

Pages: "Yes Way, Jose" Articles 1 (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/yeswayjose1.html), 2 (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/yeswayjose2.html), and 3 (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/yeswayjose3.html)



http://www.tektonics.org/uz/nowayjose.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nowayjose.html

Page: ()



http://www.tektonics.org/uz/tekton_04_02_04_MMM.html

Not quite sure where that should be ending up. :shrug:

It's from very near the bottom of that [url=http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=1605591&postcount=5]sickly long compilation (]The Not-at-All Impossible-Faith[/url) I posted.

[The Curtmudgeon]

JP, there's a bunch of broken picture links on the 'Thallus: Darkness Rules (http://www.tektonics.org/jesusexist/thallus.html) page, down toward the bottom where you reply to Stevie Carr(ot).

The (just random page checking) Curtmudgeon

[NJon]

I've got another one for you from http://www.tektonics.org/walmart.html
:poke:

Paragraph 3, line 3, "about" is spelled as "abour."


I sent my copy of the letter out on Monday. I also informed Way of the Master Radio about the Bible letter and your response. Hopefully that'll draw in some more people.

[jpholding]

I sent my copy of the letter out on Monday. I also informed Way of the Master Radio about the Bible letter and your response. Hopefully that'll draw in some more people.

I'll also have a note today about another online ministry that has worked up my letter with online signature capability (which I didn't have the time or tech knowledge to do.)

[JB]

:offtopic:


Back to business. :smile:

From Tektoonics, first, I bring a couple of problems.

Page: Shrike Team #2, page 77 (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon2/shriketoon2077.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon2/shriketoon2077.html)

Recommended Next Read: Range Patrol #3 (http://www.tektoonics.com/rangtoon3/rangtoon3001.html)
Page 77

http://www.tektoonics.com/rangtoon3/rangtoon3001.html

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/rangtoon3/rangtoon3001.html

Page: Hearthstone FAQs (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/hearthfaqs.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/hearthfaqs.html)

If you say so. Hearthstone is an alternate reality I created some years ago when I still had some idea of becoming a cartoonist as a profession. If you've been here (http://www.tektonics.org/toons/toons.html) before, you know why I don't do this for a living (though some say I ought to, and I know some out there wish I did [grin]). Still, it's a great hobby for keeping both sides of the brain working together, and now that the technology has caught up to what I was looking for and has become more accessible, I can have a lot more fun with it than I would have a few years ago.

http://www.tektonics.org/toons/toons.html

I'm guessing you just deleted that page altogether once you got everything transferred to Tektoon.

Forward, then, to Tekton!

Page: Works and Faith: The Error of Mormonism (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mormonsandfaith.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mormonsandfaith.html)

Now let's look at a small number of verses I have found to be uniquely misused by Mormonism on this subject (for other verses, used as well by other groups with similar views, see the general article (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/baptismneed.html) on faith-works relation and baptism.)

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/baptismneed.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/baptismneed.html

Let's now look at an unusual Mormon twist on this verse (as opposed to a general misuse (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/baptismneed.html#1pt3) shared by other groups), based on what Hopkins says of 1 Peter. He tells us that the "like figure" refers to the number eight, which is believed, according to Mormons, to represent "the minimum age at which a person may be a candidate for baptism." But the word "figure" is not a reference to a numeral. The word is antitupon, meaning a representative or a counterpart (cf. Heb. 9:24). What "figure" is referred to here is not the number eight but the "figure" (as in, comparable idea) of Noah's family being saved through water [Hopkins, Biblical Mormonism, 174-5, 265] .

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/baptismneed.html#1pt3
http://www.tektonics.org/af/baptismneed.html#1pt3

Page: Works and Faith: The Error of the International Churches of Christ (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/icocandfaith.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/icocandfaith.html)

Of course even the most theologically-versed and spiritual among us have fallen into the temptation that legalism offers from time to time; who has not thought in their heart that we might do something to give God a "better" view of us? Yet the danger here is greater, for ICOC is not merely a personal aberration, but a significant movement that claims to have Scripture on its side and to be a movement blessed of God. An article on the ICOC website declares: "It really doesn't matter what any church or any person says. What matters is what the Bible says. That is what Jesus' church believes." [Link (http://www.icoc.org/html/articles/critics1.html)] On the surface one can hardly disagree. Yet the question remains as to whether the Bible says what the ICOC thinks it says, and on this account, they are clearly in the wrong.

http://www.icoc.org/html/articles/critics1.html

I get a number of hits (http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.icoc.org/html/articles/critics1.html) with the Internet Archive Wayback Machine (http://www.archive.org/web/web.php), but none seem to work spectacularly well.

Page: The Doctrine of Deification: "The Outer Limits!" (http://www.tektonics.org/mordef/deify.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/mordef/deify.html)

It's also not particularly useful as an argument, in the context of my purposes. I'll again skip portions until I am addressed again. After some comments on patristics, Graham spends some time addressing matters of "monotheism" which are not addressed directly to me. My own position is found here (http://www.tektonics.org/mordef/monoelohim.html). We pick up where Graham goes back to addressing my material.

http://www.tektonics.org/mordef/monoelohim.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html

Oh, and of course, let's not forget the still-broken links in the "yeswayjose" articles.

That's really all I have, for now.

[NJon]

Note: My numbering does not necessarily correspond to the numbering on the given page.
I also realize that my formatting of this probably looks really bad. However, it's 1:40 A.M. and I really don't care about format at this hour.

**********

For
http://www.tektonics.org/TK-H.html



Under "Homosexuality," the following links are broken:

1. Is the church unfairly discriminating? -- some comments on Kasey Kozma's "CityBeat" article
http://www.tektonics.org/af/beaten01.html

2. Same-Sex "Marriage"`: A Public Policy Analysis [Off Site]
http://www.leaderu.com/marco/marriage/index.html

3. Essays from Stand to Reason website
http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/homosexuality/index.htm



Under "Hinduism," the following links are broken:

1. See here. [Off Site]
http://summit.org/errors/404.php#Hinduism



Under "Harmonization," the following links are broken:

1. Response to the "Easter Challenge" -- overview of solutions [Off Site]
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~pballard/easter.html


**********

For
http://www.tektonics.org/nutshell/nutshellhub.html#E



Under "Essenes/Dead Sea Scrolls"
For further reading see here.
"Here" being linked to http://www.tektonics.org/af/essene.html%22, which is broken. This was originally reported by jbcreation on post #5 as leading to http://www.tektonics.org/af/essene.html" instead of http://www.tektonics.org/af/essene.html
It is still broken, just now in a new way.


**********

For
http://www.tektonics.org/TK-A.html



Under "Abortion," the following links are broken:

1. Essays on abortion at Stand to Reason
http://www.str.org/free/commentaries/abortion/index.htm



Under "Acharya S," the following links are broken:

1. Mike Licona Responds -- see also here [Off Site]
http://www.risenjesus.com/articles/index.asp?pagea=rebuttal



Under "Alward, Joseph," the following links are broken:
1. On the time of Jesus' crucifixion
http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=3638
This yields the error, "No Thread specified. If you followed a valid link, please notify the webmaster."



Under "Archaeology," the following links are broken:

1. Associates for Biblical Research
http://www.christiananswers.net/abr/abrhome.html
The correct link is http://abr.christiananswers.net/home.html

2. The Near East Archaeological Society (NEAS)
http://www.neasoc.org/

3. BibArch-The Premier Biblical Archaeology Website
This goes to http://www.bib-arch.org/ which is exactly the same as point 4 of this subsection, "Biblical Archaeology Society." Basically, it's a repeat link in the same area.



Under "Aryan Nations," the following links are broken:

1. A mix of Naziism, Christianity, and who knows what else. See here [Off Site] for some material. One example of such: Revilo P. Oliver
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/apologeticsindex/a83.html

[Leonhard]

In the 1-2 Corinthians Apologetics Bible Study, there is a type

Paul questions the ability of the Corinthians to make a qualified judgment. The first verse could as well say, "What males you so special?"

Don't you mean 'makes'?

[macguy]

Some broken links from PEST: http://www.tektonics.org/pest/pest01.htm


PEST gets grilled by Tekton: http://www.tektonics.org/pest/pest02.htm


Sound Bites for Skeptics http://www.tektonics.org/pest/pestnothing.htm


Muscleaneous: http://www.tektonics.org/pest/pestnothing.htm


A few sound bites on religion and philosophy: http://www.tektonics.org/parody/bandoli09.htm


Incorrect link to The Ebionites and Nazarenes: It should be http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnazonly.html


The curious case of Minucius Felix: http://www.tektonics.org/doherty/dpohertypatr.html


Do you have any Tek Shupport for your website J.P because it appears you need assistance with broken links? :lol: Thanks for the material you provide by the way.

[JB]

Do you have any Tek Shupport for your website J.P because it appears you need assistance with broken links? :lol: Thanks for the material you provide by the way.

He pretty much has... us. :hehe:

More links and assorted things for JP:

Page: Shrike Toon Insider #4 (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketooninsider4.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketooninsider4.html)

We'll also get the scoop on the "why" of those green eyes (page 9 (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4009,html)). Brom is quite far even now from understanding the true nature and source of his power.

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4009,html
http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4009.html

Tke cake scene (page 18) was also a last-minute inspiration.

Tke cake scene
The cake scene

There will undoubtedly be reprecussions from the destruction of a quarter of Greeter's Pass (page 14 (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4013.html)).

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4013.html
http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4014.html

Only a Covenant member can use the incantation, and by the time the city is "un-evcauated" the paper will be in a gutter somewhere....

un-evcauated
un-evacuated

Brom is assumed to be about six of their years old in the flashback (page 28 (http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4028,html)).

http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4028,html
http://www.tektoonics.com/intro/shriketoon4/shriketoon4028.html

And, of course, you're undoubtedly aware that, as of this moment in time, the link on this page to Range Patrol #5 leads nowhere. :tongue:

[jpholding]

He pretty much has... us. :hehe:


And you can see they enjoy it. :hehe:

And, of course, you're undoubtedly aware that, as of this moment in time, the link on this page to Range Patrol #5 leads nowhere. :tongue:

Yeah...I figure since I'll have at least 2 pages up Tuesday, I may as well have it there.

[Leonhard]

And you can see they enjoy it. :hehe:

Well its kinda fun and it certainly helps improve a site we all love.

Yeah...I figure since I'll have at least 2 pages up Tuesday, I may as well have it there.

:yipee: Woohoo, though its first on wednesday.

Not wanting ApologiaPhoenix and NJon to have all the fun I decided to report the errors in your Corinthians Apologetic Bible Study, here's what I've found so far:

"Skeptics have now and then cited 1 Cor. 7 as an "against marriage" passage; it has also confused a great many others who do not have the contextual background needed for interpretation. Bruce Winter in After Paul Left Corinth [216ff] has drawn together a set of social and cultural datum that explains this chapter and what was really happening behind the scenes. We will use his observations to correct any needed Skeptical or other misapprehensions."

This paragraph is repeated twice, it is said again below the quotation of Corinthians verse 7:25-40.

"Is Paul being a chameleon and a charlatan? No more so than the teacher who learns the dialect of a student in order to be more effective teachers to them. Is it being a "chameleon" and being "opportunistic" to absorb local customs and behaviors for the sake of viable communication? Not at all. This was especially so in the ancient world. As Malina and Neyrey note in Portraits of Paul, it was natural and expected for persons to submit themselves to and for the good of the group by meeting their expectations for behavior [190]. The "chameleon" insult is a product of anachronism by a Western mindset and in no way reflects any idea that Paul would lie or make up stories."

Same as with the other, it is repeated again right above quotation of verse 10:1-2

Below quotation 9:15-18 you spell the word "heaven" as "heavne".

[JB]

Not wanting ApologiaPhoenix and NJon to have all the fun

Since when has AP been getting in on the correction action? :wink:

I feel a bit dirty... I just did some link correction work for the Secular Web. :frown: Sorry, guys, my neurotic INTP-drive wouldn't let me stop short of sending in an e-mail about two hours ago (to which, I might add, Keith Augustine promptly replied--and the error's already been fixed :tongue:).

Anyway, looking to some of the Tekton issues:

Page: Christian Book Reviews (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html)

African Origins of Major "Western Religions" (http://www.tektonics.org/af//drben01.html) by Yosef ben-Jochanon
Critical article -- no review or Amazon purchase link

Okay, technically, the link does work. But... come on, there's an extra backslash stuck in there. It just isn't fair to all of the other links that have to go without. Should you opt to remove the spare backslash for the sake of order, the link will remain functional.

Page: Rattling the Racism Cage (http://www.tektonics.org/af/drben01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/drben01.html)

Okay, this one's not a broken link, just a typo:

Finally, the source work is naturally dismal; among the works consulted are an extraordinary number from the 19th century (including some of the same mythicists used by Achraya S, like Gerald Massey and Geoffrey Higgins, all of them long superseded by 21st century scholarship if it so much as pays attention to them, which it does not) and Homer Smith, the kidney specialist who wrote Man and His Gods. (emphasis added)

Shame on you, JP, for spelling "Acharya S" incorrectly. I'm surprised some lunatic-devotee of hers hasn't harped on that yet (at least, not so far as I know), seeing as how they can find no real faults with your work on the subject.

Page: Ludovic Kennedy's "All in the Mind" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/kennallmindrvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/kennallmindrvw.html)

from quoting as an authority to calling ancient people stupid, All in the Mind is little more than a catalog of the most common skeptical arguments molded into sound bites, placed like cubes of meat and vegetables on a skewer and cooked until burnt to a crisp

Amusing imagery aside, the link be broke.

http://www.tektonics.org/painet01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/painet01.html

Page: A Bigger Paine in the Posterior (]Thomas Paine[/url) ([url]http://www.tektonics.org/lp/painet02.html)

This is a patch of Paine's graphocentric bigotry coming through. He can be forgiven somewhat, having no knowledge of the reliability of oral tradition (http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html") among the ancients

http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html"
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html

Ancient literacy was no higher than 10 percent at any given time, so the primary method of communication was oral. Memory capabilities were correspondingly much stronger, so that it can not be said that oral transmission was unreliable, or that because something was important, it "ought to have been written down". Neither Jesus nor anyone else in ancient society would share this modern sentiment. (For more on this, see here (http://www.tektonics.orgntdocdef/orality01.html). For a full overview of the ancient view of writing as a less-trusted "supplement" to orality, see Tony Lentz, Orality and Literacy in Hellenic Greece.)

http://www.tektonics.orgntdocdef/orality01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/orality01.html

Closely following the Chapter VII heading:

I of course nailed Paine for his bigotry here in calling Revelation a "book of riddles" -- no regard for apocalyptic literature and those who understood and appreciated it is to be found here! Much less any attempt at exegesis of Revelation (which he wrongly spells with an S at the end) as we do here (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/rvedate.html)

http://www.tektonics.org/esch/rvedate.html
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/revdate.html

As shown in my article here (http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/jehukingsvshosa.html), a shrewd and necessary poilitical move, lest someone get one of those heirs and lead yet another bloody coup against Jehu. Paine just couldn't look past the short-term due to contextual ignorance -- as though Rodney King were an authority.

http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/jehukingsvshosa.html
http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/jehukingsvshosea.html

Skeptics love this one; I have not looked into it in detail, but some might wish to look here (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/www.kent.net/DisplacedDynasties/) at a view that says this was fulfilled, based on a revised Egyptian chronology like David Rohl's.

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/www.kent.net/DisplacedDynasties/
http://www.kent.net/DisplacedDynasties/

Tsk, tsk... Trying to take credit for someone else's site... for shame, JP, for shame... :hehe:

On Paine's implicit accusation of pseudonymity, see here (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/pseucdox.html).

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/pseucdox.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/pseudox.html

A simple-minded view of the canonizing process; see here (http://www.tektonics.org/lpo/ntcanon.html). But Skeptics would rather listen to a Paine than a Metzger.

http://www.tektonics.org/lpo/ntcanon.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html


Oy, wading through that thing took longer than I'd anticipated. I dare not so much as ponder the task of searching out mere spelling errors.

[JB]

Another day, another search.

Page: The Critics Came Tumblin' Down (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jericho.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jericho.html)

Finally, critics often ask what good it did for the Israelites to walk around Jericho so much. (For how they did so, see here (http://www.tektonics.orgaf/exoduslogistics.html)). Herzog and Gichon note that this is in line with an ancient military strategem.

http://www.tektonics.orgaf/exoduslogistics.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/exoduslogistics.html

Page: Larry Spargamino's "The Anti-Prophets" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/spargrvw01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/spargrvw01.html)

Just had to catch an ordinary typo.

Bookshop Summary: A distinctly unschoarly attempt to undermine a preterist viewpoint. Mostly chases itself in a circle. (emphasis added)

unschoarly
unscholarly

Page: A Mattill of No Concern at All (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mattill01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mattill01.html)

Elohim is used here (and I might add, is used throughout the OT in a way that suggests a majestic rather than a numeric plural), it is coupled with a verb in the singular. (For more, see here (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/7monoelohim.html),

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/7monoelohim.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/monoelohim.html

Page: Christian Book Reviews (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html)

Atlas Shrugged (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html) by Ayn Rand
Critical article -- no review or Amazon purchase link

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayn01.html

Battles of the Bible (http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html) by Chaim Herzog and Mordechai Gishon

http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjj.html

The Biotic Message (http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm) by Walter ReMine

http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm
http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.asp

The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History (http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html) by Colin Hemer

http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemer01.html

Page: Brains and Eggs (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithg01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithg01.html)

A recent skeptical inquirer (actually, Brooks Trubee (http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html)) asked me if I had ever read a book by one George Smith entitled Atheism: The Case Against God, and if not, whether I ever planned to.

http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html
http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/brooksbonked.html

Page: Gabriele Boccaccini's "Beyond the Essene Hypothesis" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/boccarvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/boccarvw.html)

Bookshop Summary: A good accompaniment to Communities of the Last Days (http://www.tektonics.org/books/CMP.CLD_083081597X.html) by C. Marvin Pate for serious students of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

http://www.tektonics.org/books/CMP.CLD_083081597X.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/patervw01.html

Page: Tim Leedom's "The Book Your Church Doesn't Want You to Read" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/leedomrrdrvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/leedomrrdrvw.html)

Other articles suggest Zoroastrianism (http://www.tektonics.org/books/zoroaster.html), sun worship and astrology as sources for Christian belief. The first article uses as a source a work from 1939! Another article cites the Egyptian Horus (http://www.tektonics.org/books/osy.html) as a source for Christ, using as a source a work from 1924. Has anyone told these people what year it is?

First link:
http://www.tektonics.org/books/zoroaster.html
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/zoroaster.html

Second link:
http://www.tektonics.org/books/osy.html
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/osy.html

A few articles by deceased freethinkers like Jefferson, Paine, and Ingersoll (http://www.tektonics.org/books/JPH_III.html), critics who knew as much about the Bible in its context as they did about nuclear reactors.

http://www.tektonics.org/books/JPH_III.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/ingersollr01.html

The largest part of the book by far is devoted to historic crimes of the Church (the Inquisition, etc.), and complaints about modern Christian involvement in politics, which is not surprising, since the skeptics can't win on other grounds. (They don't win much on these grounds, either, but thanks to political correctness and the media, do have undue influence in this area.) In this mix are some amusing miscues; for example, a professor of philosophy, Delos McKown, interprets 1 Cor. 1:20 as "denigrating literacy (!), logic, and learning" -- as we have shown elsewhere (http://www.tektonics.org/doherty/dohetryfringe.html#apollos), it has nothing to do with any of those things.

http://www.tektonics.org/doherty/dohetryfringe.html#apollos
http://www.tektonics.org/doherty/dohertyfringe.html#apollos

Page: The Case Against Buying This Book for 60 Bucks -- Chapter 2 (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/martincac2.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/martincac2.html)

Cited also is the alleged contradiction between Matt. 28:19 and 1 Cor. 1:17 (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/baptizeornot.html)

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/baptizeornot.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/baptizeornot.html

That's enough for now. :smile:

[JB]

Welcome to the new "now".

Page: Christian Book Reviews (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html)

The Forgotten Trinity (http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html) by James White

http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrinrvw.html

The God Who Risks by John Sanders

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandersjgodriskrvw.html

[url=http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html]Gospel Truth?: New Light on Jesus and the Gospels (http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html) by Graham Stanton

http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosrvw.html

Gospel Truth : The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm) by Russel Shorto

http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.html

Page: James White's "The Forgotten Trinity" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrinrvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrinrvw.html)

Bookshop Summary: A helpful contribution on what many find to be Christianity's mst puzzling doctrine. (emphasis added)

mst
most

Page: D. A. Carson's "The Gagging of God" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/carsongagrvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/carsongagrvw.html)

The disease of postmodernism has had its own peculiarly damaging effects on the Christian church. In this mammoth volume, D. A. Carson takes up the gauntlet where the initial challenge of The Death of Truth (http://www.tektonics.org/mccalldeathrvw.html) leaves off as he takes a long, hard look at the results of pluralism.

http://www.tektonics.org/mccalldeathrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/mccalldeathrvw.html

Page: Humean Understanding (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hume01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hume01.html)

Since so much has been written addressing Hume's views that we could certainly not supersede (ranging from C. S. Lewis' Miracles to the more recent In Defense of Miracles (http://www.tektonics.org/books/geivmiracdef.html) collection of essays), our comments about Hume shall be brief.

http://www.tektonics.org/books/geivmiracdef.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/geivmiracrvw.html

Page: Fictional Friction (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr01.html)

9-10 -- Helms misuses the material from Apollonius of Tyana (http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.html")

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.html"
http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/apollonius.html

To be left in Sheol is indeed to be allowed to rot in the grave; "Sheol" was used of the grave figuratively in the OT. On invention of speeches in Acts, see here (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/gospelbioi.html)

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/gospelbioi.html
http://www.tektonics.org/ntdocdef/gospelbioi.html

59 -- Helms repeats the creampuff dictum about a journey during pregnancy; see relevant portion here (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/virgonbirth.html)

http://www.tektonics.org/uz/virgonbirth.html
http://www.tektonics.org/uz/virginbirth.html

67 -- healing lepers would likewise be a deliberate praxis of Jesus. Bultmann's comments on Mark 1:40-5 are typical of his arbitrary declarations; see here (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/bultmann01.html) for examples

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/bultmann01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/af/bultmann01.html

70 -- it is amazing that Helms does not get the clue that the acyt of "heightening" would be Jesus' own prerogative as a way of showing that he was superior to Elijah and Elisha (emphasis added; bolded letter needs removal)

146 -- Helms falsely connects Jesus' "I am" statements to the book of Tobit! -- see here (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/iamwhatiam.html). He is also unaware that "peace by with you" is a standard Jewish greeting and "fear not" a standard word of God and angels in the OT, both equal to us saying "hello" and "goodbye"!

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/iamwhatiam.html
http://www.tektonics.org/jesusclaims/iamwhatiam.html

Page: Who Wrote the Balderdash? (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr02.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr02.html)

Helms regards what happens in Daniel 9:2-24 as a case of Gabriel re-interpreting an "incorrect" prophecy in Jeremiah. This is simply assumptive error; there is no indication that Gabriel is offering a "new" interpretation of Jerry; rather he is offering a new revelation that has nothing to do with Jerry. (For a refutation of the idea that Jerry was wrong in his prediction, see here (http://www.tektonics.org/berryr01.html#jer2224).)

http://www.tektonics.org/berryr01.html#jer2224
http://www.tektonics.org/af/berryr01.html#jer2224

Page: Kenneth Gentry and Thomas Ice's "The Great Tribulation: Past or Future?" (http://www.tektonics.org/books/icegentryrvw.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/icegentryrvw.html)

After the foundational piece on the theme and context of Matthew, he does a verse by verse exposition of the Discourse up through verse 34, where he places that much-disputed break. This part of his work is very similar to what DeMar does in "Last Days Madness (http://www.tektonics.org/books/demarrvw02.html)" .

http://www.tektonics.org/books/demarrvw02.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/demarrvw01.html

And to think, a few days ago I'd thought that the bulk of the incorrect links had already been fixed. :teeth:

[JB]

While I sit here and listen to JP on Gene Cook's show, I might as well sniff out more link errors.

Page: Better Late Than Never? (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/postmortevang.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/lp/postmortevang.html)

This may come as a bit of a surprise to the reader: The same basic teaching that those never hearing the Gospel (that is, the Christian Gospel) will hear it after death and be allowed to make a choice is found in Christianity as a teaching that has been labeled divine perseverance, and it is defended by Gabriel Fackre in a book we have reviewed elsewhere, What About Those Who Have Never Heard? (http://www.tektonics.org/books/whatheard.html) [Nas.WAT, 73], with this mission statement: "...the Word will also be declared to those we can't reach, even if it takes an eternity." I suspect the LDS believer would not phrase the mission any differently.

http://www.tektonics.org/books/whatheard.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/whatheardrvw.html

Page: Stomping on the Daisies in the Garden (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/wyngaar01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/wyngaar01.html)

It is the Hymaenean task to show us that passages referring to the final resurrection and judgment, like indeed other preterist passages, contain time markers that suggest that these events, with the others, took place in 70 AD. The problem of the nature of the rez body (http://www.tektonics.org/esch/physrez.html) is a significant hurdle here, but it is one WynGaarden does not bother with.

http://www.tektonics.org/esch/physrez.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/physrez.html

Page: Lower Your Voice (http://www.tektonics.org/af/crackedvoice.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/af/crackedvoice.html)

He likewise claims Paul erred in predicting the parousia is his own lifetime; we say he did not, and refer the reader to our series here (http://www.tektonics.org/af/eschatology.html).

http://www.tektonics.org/af/eschatology.html
http://www.tektonics.org/esch/eschatology.html

And of course, Edgar Jones, alone after 2000 years, has the straight dope in spite of despising any scholarship and relying only on his own plain readings (http://www.tektonics.org/af/crackedvoice02.html). So what fascinating bonanza does Jones derive from this passage? It begins correctly enough, with Jones noting that this passage "was addressed to very religious Jews" but then thinking that "this statement is fully applicable to all, in our own time and in any time".

http://www.tektonics.org/af/crackedvoice02.html
http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/crackedvoice02.htm

Page: More Broken Bootlaces (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hardingk01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/hardingk01.html)

(It's not "Strangely wonderful are the ways of the Lord!" but, "Strange to a modern, individualist provincialist are the ways of a collectivist society!") and about Dave's census (http://www.christian-thinktank.com/Hcensus.html)

http://www.christian-thinktank.com/Hcensus.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/hcensus.html

[sc_q_jayce]

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/anaxios.html

Under "God hates the sinners, not just their sins."

The Biblical Definitions of "hate" and "love" are dead links.

(should be

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html

and

http://www.tektonics.org/whatis/whatlove.html)

Yep.

Now it's time to become Diao Chan.

[NJon]

Time for more fun, JPH. I just finished checking your book review page for broken links and came across 21 of them.

Book Reviews
I checked at the "by title" list, but it's probably the same for "by author."

****

I. The Biotic Message by Walter ReMine
The link to http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm is broken.

II. The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History by Colin Hemer
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html is broken.

III. The Harlot by the Side of the Road by Jonathan Kirsch
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschharlotrvw.htm is broken.

IV. Climbing Mount Improbable by Richard Dawkins
The link to http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.htm is broken.

V. Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html is broken.

VI. Battles of the Bible by Chaim Herzog and Mordechai Gishon
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html is broken.

VII. The Christians as the Romans Saw Them by Robert L. Wilken
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilkchristrvw.html is broken.

VIII. Engaging Closed Minds by Dan Story
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/stroyengrvw.html is broken.

IX. Evidence That Demands a Verdict (Vol. 2) by Josh McDowell
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.html is broken.

X. The Forgotten Trinity by James White
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html is broken.

XI. The God Who Risks by John Sanders
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html is broken.

XII. Gospel Truth?: New Light on Jesus and the Gospels by Graham Stanton
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html is broken.

XIII. Gospel Truth : The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters by Russel Shorto
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm is broken.

XIV. The Impossibility of God by Michael Martin, ed.
The link to http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm.html is broken.

XV. Jesus and the Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls: Unlocking the Secrets of His Life Story by Barbara Thiering
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/thoeringrvw01.html is broken.

XVI. The Last Days According to Jesus by R. C. Sproul
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproulllastrvw.html is broken.

XVII. The Mystery of Romans by Mark D. Nanos
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanosromrvw.html is broken.

XVIII. Refuting Evolution by Jonathan Sarfati
The link to http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.htm is broken.

XIX. The Trinity and Subordination by Kevin Giles
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/guest/pkekstasis.html is broken.

XX. When Jesus Became God by Richard Rubenstein
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjsrvw.html is broken.

XXI. Who Wrote the New Testament? by Randel Helms
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jhelmsr02.html is broken.

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Also, at http://www.tektonics.org/books/geiswhitervw.html the format is all over the place. Check it out to see what I mean.

[aikidoka]

This

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/godallover.html

From this page

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/packham02.html#GODCONTRA

and this paragraph

God knows everything, i.e., he is "omniscient" (Ps 139:1-6, Prov 15:3, 5:21, Job 26:6, 34:21, Isa 44:7, Jer 16:17, 23:24, Ezek 11:5, Matt 12:25, John 2:24, Rom 1:20, Heb 4:13). But God didn't know where Adam is (Gen 3:8-9), or Abel (Gen 4:9). Both the rhetorical questions of an ANE sovereign. God didn't know whether Abraham would obey his command to kill Isaac (Gen 22:12). See here. God didn't know which houses in Egypt contain Israelites; he needed to see blood on the doorpost (Ex 12:13). Repeat of above. God had to test Israel for 40 years to find out if they would keep his commandments; apparently he didn't know (Deut 8:2). See last link. God is forgetful and must be reminded of his promises, e.g. of his promise to Noah (Gen 9:15-16). A memorial does not imply forgetfulness. Samuel had to tell God what the people said (1 Sam 8:21). Repeat of above

should be

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/godallover.html

[NJon]

http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/pers.html
(The TULIP series, perseverance of the saints)

Scroll on down to your analysis of Hebrews 6:4-6, subsection Non-Fudge: "It's 'repentance', not 'salvation."

You cite Peter in Acts 2:28, but the actual citation for what you intended is verse 38.

Also, though this is not a "problem," you may want to consider covering the parable of the sower (Mark 4), specifically verses 16 and 17 which deal with believing and then falling away.
Christ's warning in Matthew 7:17-23 (and subsequent advice/command in verses 24-27) also seem highly-relevant.

[Teallaura]

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/zalmoxis.html

Last paragraph: "The details are in the devil..." rather than the 'devil is in the details'...

[Teallaura]

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/brooksbonked.html

Um, is his site down or something? Every link I followed which appears to be from his site is leading to an AOL page saying they can't find it.

[jpholding]

http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/brooksbonked.html

Um, is his site down or something? Every link I followed which appears to be from his site is leading to an AOL page saying they can't find it.

Hmm, dunno. Of course Brooks probably moved it to avoid the embarrassment. :hehe:

BTW the devil/details thingy is on purpose.

[Teallaura]

Hmm, dunno. Of course Brooks probably moved it to avoid the embarrassment. :hehe:I'd think moving to Timbuktu would be more likely to accomplish that. :no:

BTW the devil/details thingy is on purpose.Ah, okay...

[Leonhard]

In your book review of Charles Templeton the link to your article about the two accounts of creation is broken.

This is what it is http://www.tektonics.org/jedp.creationtwo.html, and this is what it should be http://www.tektonics.org/jedp/creationtwo.html

[JB]

Page: Brains and Eggs (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithg01.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/smithg01.html)

A recent skeptical inquirer (actually, Brooks Trubee (http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html)) asked me if I had ever read a book by one George Smith entitled Atheism: The Case Against God, and if not, whether I ever planned to. The general answer was no to the first, and yes to the second, since the his inquiry essentially amounted to a "by request" for the sort of evaluation I do on these pages. But as I advised the him, the evaluation is done with some limitations. Smith's major focus is on the "existence of God" question. I readily admit to ignoring this debate, and taking for granted here a stance of basic Christian theism, and I make no apologies for this. I see no reason to enter a field of debate that is crowded enough as it is, and perceive myself to be filling a specific gap (historical evidences) that is not being addressed enough. Thus my comments on Smith's work will be directed primarily towards those places where he touches directly upon my own specialty, and a few other places of my choosing. Those looking for material on Smith's main focus are politely declined to seek elsewhere. (Update: A reader with a greater interest in this area has now added his own comments, which we offer as an addendum below.)

http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html
http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/brooksbonked.html

Page: Christian Book Reviews (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shop02.html)

Atlas Shrugged (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html) by Ayn Rand

http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayno1.html
http://www.tektonics.org/qt/randayn01.html

Battles of the Bible (http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html) by Chaim Herzog and Mordechai Gishon

http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjjrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/herzogjj.html

The Biotic Message (http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm) by Walter ReMine

http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.htm
http://www.trueorigin.org/biotic.asp

The Book of Acts in the Setting of Hellenistic History (http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html) by Colin Hemer

http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemeracrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/hemer01.html

Christianity in Crisis (Audiocassettes) by Hank Hanegraaff
Very highly recommended to supplement the text edition: here the words from their own mouths!

here
hear

The Christians as the Romans Saw Them (http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilkchristrvw.html) by Robert L. Wilken

http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilkchristrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/wilchristrvw.html

Climbing Mount Improbable (http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.htm) by Richard Dawkins

http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.htm
http://www.trueorigin.org/dawkrev2.asp

Engaging Closed Minds (http://www.tektonics.org/books/stroyengrvw.html) by Dan Story

http://www.tektonics.org/books/stroyengrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/storyengrvw.html

Evidence That Demands a Verdict (Vol. 2) (http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.html) by Josh McDowell

http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/etdav2rvw.htm

The Forgotten Trinity (http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html) by James White

http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrin.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/whitefortrinrvw.html

The God Who Risks (http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html) by John Sanders

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandjgodriskrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/sandersjgodriskrvw.html

Gospel Truth?: New Light on Jesus and the Gospels (http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html) by Graham Stanton

http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosprvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/stantongosrvw.html

Gospel Truth : The New Image of Jesus Emerging from Science and History, and Why It Matters (http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm) by Russel Shorto

http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/books/shortogosrvw.html

The Harlot by the Side of the Road (http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschharlotrvw.htm) by Jonathan Kirsch

http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschharlotrvw.htm
http://www.tektonics.org/books/kirschhharlotrvw.htm

Heart of the Bible by John macArthur

macArthur
MacArthur

The Impossibility of God (http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm.html) by Michael Martin, ed.

http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm.html
http://www.equip.org/free/JAG150.htm

Jesus and the Riddle of the Dead Sea Scrolls:
Unlocking the Secrets of His Life Story (http://www.tektonics.org/books/thoeringrvw01.html) by Barbara Thiering

http://www.tektonics.org/books/thoeringrvw01.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/thieringrvw01.html

(Oh, and it might look better without the line break in the title--the same goes for Witherington's Jesus, Paul and the End of the World.)

The Last Days According to Jesus[/b] by R. C. Sproul

http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproulllastrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproullastrvw.html

[url=http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanosromrvw.html]The Mystery of Romans (http://www.tektonics.org/books/sproulllastrvw.html) by Mark D. Nanos

http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanosromrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/nanonromrvw.html

(The same error is also found in the first link on this page (http://www.tektonics.org/TK-ROM.html).)

Refuting Evolution (http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.htm) by Jonathan Sarfati

http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.htm
http://www.trueorigin.org/sarfrev01.asp

The Trinity and Subordination (http://www.tektonics.org/guest/pkekstasis.html) by Kevin Giles

http://www.tektonics.org/guest/pkekstasis.html
http://www.tektonics.org/guest/psekstasis.html

When Jesus Became God (http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjsrvw.html) by Richard Rubenstein

http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjsrvw.html
http://www.tektonics.org/books/rubenjesrvw.html

Who Wrote the New Testament? (http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jhelmsr02.html) by Randel Helms

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jhelmsr02.html
http://www.tektonics.org/gk/helmsr02.html

That should be enough for now. Let's see that one book review page perfected, eh? :tongue:

[sc_q_jayce]

http://www.tektoonics.com/hearthmaps.html

Bottom link (to go back home) is 404'ed!

[NJon]

I. http://www.tektonics.org/gk/godthere.html

8 - Pagan Saviors/ 9- Satan Did It/ 10 -- Christians Don't Know -- This is the most embarrassing part of the film for Flemming as he makes use of Graves' "16 Crucified Saviors" list (toon point) and the crucified Orpheus icon (toon point). On Justin Martyr see GDon's comments here. Please note how badly Justin's comments are misused in the context of his entire arguments.
The link to http://www.tektoonics.com/notthere/notthere2.html is broken.


18 -- School Daze -- Mostly a personal account of Flemming's former beliefs, with little or no explanation for how he arrived at them, much less any question as to whether maybe he had the basics wrong in the first place. His Dante-view of hell was certainly wrong, as was his idea of what constituted blasphemyof the Holy Spirit.
The second link needs a space added between two words.



II. http://www.tektonics.org/qt/spaninq.html

My but it's easy to stir these people up. The Infidels forum has now turned into a Holding hate-fest; no surprise there, and just what I wanted. See here for all the goofy details. Now as to new comments since last time -- I'll stick with those having to do with the Inquisition, other than dropping Stevie some hints about Internet searching here. It looks like he needs them.
The link to http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=45&t=001574 is broken.


To start, we have Brooks correcting Stevie about my belief in eternal, um -- no, Brooks, not "torture" for "opinions" -- we still can't get you out of that, can we? -- punishment, rather. This is the same argument Brooks made years ago, and it hasn't improved with age. Psst -- see here for more. But then Brooks has some words more on the Inquiz. No, he didn't explain where we "rewrote history" -- no new stats or anything. Rather, as predicted, Brooks zeroes in on the irrational, emotional component:
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/parody/brooksbonked.html is broken.


(Possibly more reporting later)

[NJon]

I. http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jesussayshate.html

See Uber-fundy Edgar Jones scrape his knuckles on this item here.
The link to http://www.tektoonics.com/parody/crackedvoice02.htm is broken.



II. http://www.tektonics.org/gk/josproph.html

South Carolina could hardly openly say "war" but it is clear from the language that the state was quite willing to take the step if needed. Here is a point from a state history of South Carolina:
The link to http://www.state.sc.us/schist.html is broken.

It is said, "It was impossible for any merely human sagacity to foresee the events foretold in this prophecy. Stephen A. Douglas was a bright but comparatively an unknown man at the time of the interview, in May, 1843." The description sells Douglas a little short. As shown here, Douglas was accomplished for his age even when Smith met him: "on the assembling of the legislature, although not yet twenty-two years of age, he was elected attorney general, an officer who then, in addition to his other duties, rode the metropolitan circuit. His opponent was General John J. Hardin. This office he resigned in December, 1835, having been elected to the lower house of the legislature, of which he was the youngest member. The mental vigor and capacity he there displayed, in striking contrast with his physical frame, which was then very slight, won for him the title of the 'Little Giant,' which followed him through life. In 1837 he was appointed register of the land office at Springfield. In 1838 he was the Democratic candidate for congress ; but his opponent was declared elected by a majority of five votes. Over fifty votes cast for Mr. Douglas were rejected by the canvassers because his name was misspelled."
The link to http://www.stephendouglas.com/ is broken.

Still, Smith's insight does seem a bit precise, doesn't it? After all, weren't many men just as bright as Douglas? Yes, but Smith here matches the feat of Jeane Dixon, who told Ronald Reagan in 1962 he would be President (see here -- Gary Bauer claims a similar "premonition" about Reagan here), and Bill Clinton's mother, who proudly declared that her child would one say be President (see here), and George Bush, who predicted that "W." would make President (see here). Does this prove that Smith was just as insightful as these folks?
The links to http://gwu.edu/~action/ia0899/ia0899bauesp.html and http://www.boston.com/news/local/politics/campaign2000/news/A_fathers_touch_drives_sons_ascent+.shtml are broken.


And this item adds:

Within days, the Union commander of the border district, Gen. Thomas Ewing, issued his famous Order No. 11, intended to rid the Missouri border of Confederate sympathizers who had harbored and fed the guerrillas for years.
The link to http://www.kcstar.com/millennium/part3/stories/civ14.htm redirects to http://www.kansascity.com/mld/kansascity/

However, Smith was far from first on the block in these matters. Here we find the following from the Cancer Council of NSW, Australia:
The link to http://www.nswcc.org.au/cncrinfo/cncrsmrt/tobasmok/history.htm is broken.

And here we formerly found (it is now a dead link) that coffee, like tobacco, had its history:
The link to http://www.smellthecoffee.com/thebean/history.shtml is broken.



III. http://www.tektonics.org/uz/zapfigtree.html

As a side note, some complain that there is chronological contradiction between recountings of "whether Jesus overthrew the tables of the money-changers (Matt. 21:12) and subsequently cursed the fig tree (Matt. 21:19), or cursed the fig tree (Mark 11:14) and then threw out the money-changers (Mark 11:15)." The solution which recognizes the ancient historiographical practice of arranging material topically for didactic purposes, rather than following a strict chronology, is dismissed by one skeptic as a resolution that "borders on the pathetic." I submit that what is truly "pathetic" here is skeptical ignorance of ancient literary practices.
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/uz/arrange.html is broken.



IV. http://www.tektonics.org/uz/2muchshame.html

It clarifies and simplifies the argument that sin is an "infinite offense" against God requiring an infinite payment. Under the honor and shame paradigm, sin is particularly an honor offense against God, in effect an insult to His honor and place by means of disregard of His authority and rules. The paradigm demands that such insults to honor be repaid with shame. In this instance it remains that the value of the response must be equitable -- hence Jesus, in his divine identity, remains the only adequate payment for this honor offense; his blood alone is adequate to take away sin. However, because it is a matter of quality and not quantity, and is an "either-or" rather than a mathematical-value proposition, it is no longer necessary to argue that a sin is an "infinite offense" or to even deal in terms of quantity. Indeed, the matter of quality rests on that while all of God's honor is ascribed (due Him by nature), no ascribed honor of our own can match His (being born into a good family), and we are otherwise only capable of having what they call "acquired" honor. (For more see now my revision of our defense of the atonement and penal substitution.)
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/uz/atonedefense.html is broken.

A reader asked this question: I gathered from your response to Pendragon that the Jeffery Dahmer, who apparently repented before that unfortunate encounter with a mop handle, would be in the “nosebleed section” in heaven. Why would that be if Christ suffered the shame for everyone who is saved? I think the answer here relates to the concept of rewards in heaven as opposed to salvation. The rewards will be rewards of honor; obviously someone like Dahmer isn't going to have a lot of rewards, and nor would an Adolf Hitler who repented on his deathbed. So yes, to say they will be in the "nosebleed section" of heaven would be accurate.
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/parody/pendragon142.html is broken.



V. http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise02.html

This still is based on our opponent's lack of ability, has no relation to "Yahweh's Land Promise," it is not necessary to quote this in a reply, and our opponent cannot, and never will be able to, explain why such superfluous commentary requires quotation and/or reference from a respondent, other than a desire to score points.

The link to my original article is here, and it will be posted at when my replies to [Holding] are posted there.
The link to http://www.infidels.org/library/magazines/tsr/1991/1land91.html is broken.

It appears that all that has popped up on this plot of land after "tilling" is dandelions full of fluff and undesirable weeds.

Continue with fluff free version here or read the detailed, painful, enormous response Skeptic X will have to respond to .
The link to http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise3-2.html is broken and the final period is linked to http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise3.html

[jpholding]

Made it halfway through #59 before I got bummed out. :glare: More when I get back in the mood to be bummed out.

[OldManZangetsu]

Don't know if you would particularly care about this one, but it threw me off the first time I read it, had to think about it for a few seconds.

From your article on the textual reliability of the NT

That said, the authors fuss much over the use of "about 18% or as little as 10% of total available manuscripts. Of course, even 10% of the avaiable manuscripts (est. 24,000 total, or 2,400) is far above the number available for the runner up, Homer's Iliad (about 650 copies) so all this would do at best is make a decisive race less embarrassing. The authors also flub with the data thusly:

The " is what I'm talking about, you never have the closing quote.

[JB]

On the new Screwball Awards page (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/screwball.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/screwball.html), it says:

[May 2006 -- unfortunately, this file was lost]


Ummmmm... it's right here (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/may06scr.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/may06scr.html), where you'd expect it to be from the format the others are in. Of course, the internal text-formatting has died, I see.

[jpholding]

On the new Screwball Awards page (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/screwball.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/screwball.html), it says:




Ummmmm... it's right here (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/may06scr.html) (http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/may06scr.html), where you'd expect it to be from the format the others are in. Of course, the internal text-formatting has died, I see.
[/quote]

That's why I disconnected it. :tongue:

[JB]

That's why I disconnected it. :tongue:

Well then fix the page and reconnect it. :poke:

[jpholding]

Well then fix the page and reconnect it. :poke:

I'll put it in line with the rest of the tedious stuff. :sigh:

[JB]

I'll put it in line with the rest of the tedious stuff. :sigh:

:hehe: You sure do have a lot of it to accomplish.

[Darth Executor]

I think JP caught terminal laziness from me. :teeth:

[jpholding]

I think JP caught terminal laziness from me. :teeth:

I catch it any time tedium rears its ugly head. :glare:

Truth is it seems to take longer than it really does.

[sirhemlock]

terminal laziness
Greetings J. P.

I can’t seem to access www.tektonics.org/uz/zeketyre.html

P. S. "Jesus rose from the dead, but you, you can't even get up out of bed?" (Keith Green) ;-)

[jpholding]

Greetings J. P.

I can’t seem to access www.tektonics.org/uz/zeketyre.html



I just clicked that and got it.... :huh:

[OldManZangetsu]

From your response to Steve Hays response on your material regarding TULIP.
http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/hayss01.html

Wilson concludes, therefore, that the Hebrews would have had "little or no interest" in many issues we consider important, including the debate over free will and predestination.'

On the face of it, this claim is palpable false. For starters, just read Warfield's article on 'Predestination' (Works 2:3-67), in which he lays out quite a lot of the Biblical data on this topic.

There's nothing like a non-specific non-answer composed of a reference and nothing else. I will not endorse Hays' laziness by looking up what he should have provided in the first place -- actual data. If this is how Calvinist response is done, little wonder pomposity is a primary weapon of their apologists. Please note that mere statements of predestination (as for example Jer. 1:5) do not in the least constitute "interest" in depth understanding of predestination, any more than a comment on the pleasant weather indicates "high interest" in the science of meteorology. Perhaps for those of Hays' repute, such simplicity is what amounts to depth, but that is why apologetics is in such a depraved state to begin with, with the likes of McDowell at the top of reading lists when they are better left for kindling.

You have the top two switched. Your original that he is quoting should be in bold, and his response in italics.

[Teallaura]

Range Patrol #1, page 27, second to last panel. Sheila's balloon: 'suppose' - missing a vowel there.

[Vigilante]

Problem:

Tektonics has content which generally offends skeptics and atheists and utterly destroys their arguments against scripture and Christianity. What can be done about this?

[jpholding]

Problem:

Tektonics has content which generally offends skeptics and atheists and utterly destroys their arguments against scripture and Christianity. What can be done about this?

:hehe:

Thanks. I needed that.

[Vigilante]

Yes, well keep up the good work!

P.S., have you ever thought about going back to school to get any degrees in NT history or languages etc...? Seems you would be able to fly through it.

Cheers

[jpholding]

P.S., have you ever thought about going back to school to get any degrees in NT history or languages etc...? Seems you would be able to fly through it.


Thanks....unfortunately, my wallet wouldn't. :sigh:

[The Curtmudgeon]

Playing around in the Classics Library I found the following broken link:

http://www.tektonics.org/classics/anderremo.pdf - from "Anderson, George: Remonstrance Against Lord Bolingbroke"

The (a remonstrance against Lord Link-broke) Curtmudgeon

[The Curtmudgeon]

In the Book Reviews by Title listing, the link for "Christian Book of Why by John McCollister" points to the review "Norman Geisler and Paul Hoffman’s “Why I Am a Christian”" instead. (The link on the By Author page is correct.)

Also in By Title list, following the listing for "Gospel Truth?: New Light on Jesus and the Gospels by Graham Stanton", there appears to be a missing title; two orphan bullets appear without a preceding title.

Still in By Title list, the two bullets for "The Harlot by the Side of the Road by Jonathan Kirsch", the two bullets below state "I wouldn't buy this book if I had a million dollars..." and "Our Rating: Recommended" (the entry on the By Author list has a better second bullet).

The (bored at work) Curtmudgeon

[JB]

Just a few outdated tidbits that JPH has probably completely forgotten to change in response to new turns of events. :teeth:

Page: http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mission.html

Have you been published anywhere in print? I self-published a book on Mormonism, but have also had articles appear twice in the Creation Ex Nihilo Technical Journal (now Journal of Creation, of Creation Ministries International) and over a dozen times in the Christian Research Journal (CRI).

There's something else that ought to be added now... :whistle: (You can probably also update this (http://www.tektonics.org/jpholding.doc) with info about your new book too.)

Page: http://www.tektonics.org/qt/speaking.html

The Da Vinci Code: A Conspiracy in Brown. About the best-selling book (soon to be movie) that everyone is talking about! J. P. will draw from both his article onsite and the one written for the Christian Research Journal.

The Pagan Christ: Gullibility's Last Frontier. About the other best-selling book (not soon to be movie) that everyone in Canada is talking about!

"soon to be movie"? Gettin' behind the times there.

(And I quoted the second paragraph as well because when the Da Vinci Code part gets changed, I'm sure that the Pagan Christ needs to be rephrased in corresponding manner.)

Page: http://www.tektonics.org/doninst.html

If someone wants me to evaluate a book, for example, I can purchase it from Amazon or elsewhere if it is not readily available through local libraries. I have also set up a "Wish List" on Amazon.com under the name J. P. Holding (but look for the new list). There are a few books there that are either possible criticism subjects or else are desirable study works. I'll be adding to this List as needed according to requests I get.

*cough* Uh, JPH, when was the last time you actually used any of your Amazon wishlists? :rasberry:

[Truth be Told]

One suggestion of mine is to replace the original article you had for the "S is for Stench" essay Acharya S goes on whining about it and hasn't checked in any archives or etc to its new location.

Speaking of which you might want to make a more easily accessible archive.

[OfficialPro]

there are a pile of brokie links off of the "Bible Problems Refuted" page:
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/jesusrudemom.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/corppun.html
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mercy.html
God didn't know whether Abraham would obey his command to kill Isaac (Gen 22:12). See here.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/godallover.html
Jesus could not do mighty works because of others' unbelief (Matt 13:58, Mark 6:5). See here.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/whatfaith.html
The lists of the Twelve Apostles do not coincide: Luke 6:13-16 and Acts 1:13 list Judas the brother of James as the 12th; Matt 10:3 and Mark 3:14 list instead Thaddeus as the 12th. See here.
http://www.tektonics.org/af/bachbones01.html#12real

the hotlink here: He saves whom he pleases (Rom 8:28-30, 15:18). See here again.
http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/"ulip.html" needs correcting to http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/ulip.html

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/cainunfair.html
Why should the "word of God" include Paul's concern about where his cloak is (2 Tim 4:13)? Or Paul's personal opinions (1 Cor 7:6, 12, 25)? Why shouldn't it? And see here.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/concession.html

John 7:38. "Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water." See here.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/tyellow03.html

Matt 27:9-10 cites a non-existent passage in Jeremiah, "fulfilled" when Judas takes the 30 pieces of silver and buys a potter's field. (Zech 11:12-13 mentions 30 pieces of silver and a potter, but it is not a prophecy) See here and here.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/mkone.html (Second "here" hyperlink ONLY, the first one IS working)

HISTORICAL / GEOGRAPHICAL INACCURACY, ANACHRONISM

Some of these are answered by this item
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/anachronism.html

Divorce is forbidden (Mal 2:14-16, Matt 19:6, Mark 10:2-9, 11-12, 1 Cor 7:10, Rom 7:2-3). See here.
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/divorce2.html

from this part
Who was Shealtiel's father? Matt 1:12, 1 Chron 3:17 say Jeconi- ah. Luke 3:27 says Neri. They are not the same Shealiiel; see here.
the hyperlink of the here is in error:
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/fabprof4.htm; should be corrected by changing the ; to L to redirect properly to the page.
some of the broken links in that page are to glenn miller's site, so he'll probably have to be made aware of them:

http://wwww.christian-thinktank.com/qcrude.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/kilisak.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/qnosalve.html
http://www.christian-thinktank.com/fabprof4.htm

[OldManZangetsu]

From the crimeline

1611 Aix-en-Provence French priest Louis Gaufridi, of Marseilles, is slowly burned to death after being brutally tortured for allegedly sparking "possession" outbreak in convent. May be true. See popular account here.

http://www.shanmonster.com/witch/witches/gaufridi.html

Link done broke (HTTP 404 Not Found)

[JB]

JPH! I got a bone to pick wit' you. :glare:

Actually, a couple. First of all, this page (http://www.tektonics.org/uz/vector03.html) could scarcely be more annoying to read if it were displayed in a font intended to duplicate Thomas Aquinas' handwriting. I'm guessing that you accidentally omitted a tiny bit of HTML to restrict the title font style to, well, the title.

Second, and more important, in my opinion, is something about certain replies you've made to responses to your work. Take, for example, your Rubicon article (http://www.tektonics.org/qt/rubicon.html). Later in the page, you respond to Carrier's reply, and then also to his various addenda. But would it kill you to work an infinitesimal bit of HTML magic so that one could make a link specifically to your response to his reply, or to your responses to various addenda? (And don't pretend that you don't know how to do it, we know better. :tongue:)

In other words, this:

<P>We conclude therefore, in this summary piece, that we do indeed have "many reasons to believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon," more so corporately than individually -- and we have just as good reason to believe the Resurrection, as we do for the corporate crossing; and more and more direct evidence for the individual crossing. However, it is obvious that the "corporate" crossing is of a somewhat different class of event than the Resurrection; if we are to use this analogy, the "individual" crossing offers a better comparison. In the end, we are justified in saying, as do many apologists, that the evidence for the Resurrection is as good as, or better than, that for Caesar crossing the Rubicon; however, like most arguments made in brief, it inevitably requires elucidation.</P>

<HR>

<P>I have recently been made aware that Carrier has replied to this piece, and in accord with his usual methodology, Carrier has both repeatedly "missed the point" as well as made rather foolish statements about matters beyond his actual knowledge. Let us now turn to that reply.

might become something like this:

<P>We conclude therefore, in this summary piece, that we do indeed have "many reasons to believe that Caesar crossed the Rubicon," more so corporately than individually -- and we have just as good reason to believe the Resurrection, as we do for the corporate crossing; and more and more direct evidence for the individual crossing. However, it is obvious that the "corporate" crossing is of a somewhat different class of event than the Resurrection; if we are to use this analogy, the "individual" crossing offers a better comparison. In the end, we are justified in saying, as do many apologists, that the evidence for the Resurrection is as good as, or better than, that for Caesar crossing the Rubicon; however, like most arguments made in brief, it inevitably requires elucidation.</P>

<HR>

<P><A NAME="carrier2">I have recently</A> been made aware that Carrier has replied to this piece, and in accord with his usual methodology, Carrier has both repeatedly "missed the point" as well as made rather foolish statements about matters beyond his actual knowledge. Let us now turn to that reply.





...Please? :flowers:

[The Curtmudgeon]

Duplicated from another thread, since it belongs here. Concerning the June 2007 Screwie page:

"From the Mailbag":
Para #1, "refuting are entire pagan copycat series" should be our.
Para #3, you've italicised your own comment "I just love these thorugh, heavily-documented refutations, don't you?", making it appear to be a part of the Screwball's mail.
Para #4, "had this to sayL", 'L' should be a colon.
Para #7, like #3, you've italicised your own comment "Pitiful, truly pitiful. I love these guys who say nothing in so many words!", making it look like part of the original message.


The (the rest of it looks really, really good!) Curtmudgeon

[The Curtmudgeon]

JP, on today's (13 July) What's New page, the link for the book "Apologetics Bible" appears to just point back to your own front page.

The (are you claiming that you are the Apologetics Bible?) Curtmudgeon

[jpholding]

JP, on today's (13 July) What's New page, the link for the book "Apologetics Bible" appears to just point back to your own front page.

The (are you claiming that you are the Apologetics Bible?) Curtmudgeon

:twitch:

I'd like to know what twit decided that adding an extra quote mark after the A HREF would make a redirect to the same page.

[JB]

:rofl:

[Frogwarrior]

http://www.tektonics.org/copycat/zalmoxis.html

"Zalmoxis. Not an parallel for Christianity"

:rasberry:

[Teallaura]

http://www.tektonics.org/tulip/bubba9.html

4th Paragraph: "From the beginning it must be understood that Romans is prssented to..."

-------------------------

5th paragraph: "In this respect it is rightly said that the theological and social are inseperable in this..."

------------------------

Critique:

This (11th paragraph):

"Indeed, since he was circumcised (Gen. 17:26; yet Piper amazingly believes that opponents of Paul could argue that Ishmael was excluded from the covenant, and thereby creates a "loophole" that Paul needs to answer!) it is arguable that he entered into a covenant relationship with YHWH and could have been saved as were the other OT saints;"


would be easier to read like this:

"Indeed, since he was circumcised it is arguable that he entered into a covenant relationship with YHWH and could have been saved as were the other OT saints (Gen. 17:26; yet Piper amazingly believes that opponents of Paul could argue that Ishmael was excluded from the covenant, and thereby creates a "loophole" that Paul needs to answer!);"

It keeps the comment about Ishmael together which makes the parenthetical make more sense.

I have a big problem with doing this, which is why I recognize it. :blush:


--------------------

Same paragraph:

"Isaac is the heir who recives and through..."


_________


12th paragraph:

" and the particular negative, "ethnic idendity isn't". "


_______

That's all for now - don't have time to finish reading the article right now.

[Teallaura]

(:noid: Have you just not read this one, JB or are you slipping?)


Continuing on:

13th Paragraph: "...that they remain in power in Judaea with Roman..."

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20th paragraph: Style* error, ellipsis: " ("not merely prior to their good or evil deeds, but...also completely independently of them")"


*there ya go, Curt!
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2nd paragraph from page break: "By [this Skeptic]'s line of thinking..."

At a minimum the 's needs to be in the brackets - 'this 's line' makes no sense. Might be better as "By this [Skeptic's] line of thinking..."

Not sure why the brackets are there in the first place. :shrug:


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By the way, JP, you're worse with commas than I am - congrats, that takes work! :thumb: You've got a number of inappropriate ones in there but I'm not highlighting them unless you really want me to be that thorough. Nothing big like a splice that I've seen - you just keep inserting them when they aren't necessary.

More later - I need sleep... :goingbed:

[JB]

(:noid: Have you just not read this one, JB or are you slipping?)

If I bothered pointing out all of the ordinary typographical errors I've spotted on Tekton, I'd never get anything else accomplished. :tongue:

[Teallaura]

:cs: Hmmm, good point...

[TuckEverlasting]

You guys are reporting typos on Tekton as 'problems'? Holy sox! You'll be here forever! :lol:

[Frogwarrior]

Well fine then...
http://www.tektonics.org/uz/vector03.html
End of the first paragraph, there's a broken link: http://www.tektonics.org/uz/nowayjose.html

As an aside, near the end of part 2 of your response to that dim bulb, you knocked him for asking how Jesus got out undetected ("did he teleport?")
I was thinking about that and realized that a fairly cursory examination of post-Resurrection accounts seems to reveal that yes, He could... he get into the closed room where his disciples were hiding, after all...
Not a "problem" per se, I just thought it was funny :teeth:

[jpholding]

You guys are reporting typos on Tekton as 'problems'? Holy sox! You'll be here forever! :lol:

That was pretty daring considering I'm drawing an avatar of you right now. :wink:

[Raphael]

On your latest update (the 19 July one),

you've got an error in your link.
http://www.tektonics.org/www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog should be http://www.reclaimingthemind.org/blog

Oh, and with your Matthew Green stuff on the toon site, on this page http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/greenneo.html
you have a typo (bolded):
EIDOLON (winces): Oh, come now, little beast. That's a foolish question. What propeties of the Word of God are such that it could not be misread and misunderstood?

(I constantly have typo's, so I tend to notice them)

[Raphael]

Greetings Sir Holding,

It is with great sorrow and a heavy heart, that I must point out two errors that thou hast made in your latest addition to your tomes of knowledge.

Article: Shut Her Bug: A Comparative Position Piece on 1 Cor. 14:33-36
http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ohshutup.html
I will hereafter refer to Miller as the holder of what I will call the Corinthian Quote (CQ) position, and regard him as the "arguer" for his view with the understanding that it is not he to whom Carson is of course responding. I will refer to Carson's view as the Quote Rebuttal (QR) position. From what I can see throughout the rest of the article you've used RQ not QR.

This component fits in with the CQ position that v. 34 begins a quotation of something said by the Corinthians. Here are Miller's and Carson's points in opposition.

Mille: Missing a 'r' on the end of Miller's name.

[Teluog]

Would it be possible to make it easier to get to the "What's New?" page? I have to click on one of the articles and only then can I access the "What's New?" link in the left column. Should probably put the link on the front page somewhere, or maybe make the "What's New?" page a feeder subscription so that the orange icon appears in the address bar.

[Raphael]

Would it be possible to make it easier to get to the "What's New?" page? I have to click on one of the articles and only then can I access the "What's New?" link in the left column. Should probably put the link on the front page somewhere, or maybe make the "What's New?" page a feeder subscription so that the orange icon appears in the address bar.
*cough* look just below the banner on the front page...where is says last updated...click on the date *cough*

[Teluog]

You know, all this time I seen that but it didn't even cross my mind that it was a link. Oh well. I still think some people would benefit if the What's New page had a feeder subscription option on it

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

This link

http://www.tektonics.org/gk/jepthah.html

should read 'jephthah' since it breaks the link to this page in the Charles Templeton book review.

[The Curtmudgeon]

JPH: I got the Davey Jones screen when I clicked on this link:

http://www.tektonics.org/classics/classics1.html

from the What's New page, 17 September entry.

The (you need a PotC-based Davey Jones drawing, I think) Curtmudgeon

[jpholding]

JPH: I got the Davey Jones screen when I clicked on this link:

http://www.tektonics.org/classics/classics1.html

from the What's New page, 17 September entry.

The (you need a PotC-based Davey Jones drawing, I think) Curtmudgeon

I turned that back to just plain Classics.html because the forwarding mech wasn't working.

[Raphael]

I was re-reading the Fantasy/SciFi article (http://www.tektonics.org/af/fantasy.html) and in one part you have two sections on Harry Potter split with a section on the Firefly TV series. It would read a lot easier to have the Harry Potter stuff together. (infact the Firefly bit should be moved to above the Harry Potter stuff as it then flows on from Kyle Winslow's comments.

[Virgil]

http://www.tektonics.org/tsr/landpromise01.html

The article is fine but the heading says
"Mark 2:26 and abithar"

[LilPunkishOfTerror]

JP, you might want to remove the Bookshop link at the bottom of the manifesto :thumb:

[jpholding]

JP, you might want to remove the Bookshop link at the bottom of the manifesto :thumb:

Meh, the whole manifesto is going in the dustbin by October 1 so I can put up the 2010 edition.

[Teallaura]

Hi every body!

Don't get attached - this is strictly a drive-by posting. No, I'm not back, but I did drop in for a visit. :hi:

Somebody may have already caught this. In fact, someone probably already caught it. but I'm not reading through eight pages to find out it's already been caught or not. Two updates back, I forget now, what exactly Brom was saying, but the word beautiful was misspelled. :pot:

That's it. I just wanted to tell you. :smile:

Well, this isn't going to rank is my longest post ever... :ahem:

Later guys! :kiss:


:eek:



PS: I am going to drop a longer note in the lobby if anybody is interested in what I've been up to. frankly, I don't find it that interesting myself. :sigh:

[Shadow Gaze]

section on the Firefly TV series.
OT: I actually thought Firefly was okay. I laughed my arse off when there was the scene where River was "correcting" the "errors" in the Bible. The film was much better though.

Funnily enough, in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles, the series Summer Glau was in after Firefly, religion is portrayed more favourably.

[Virgil]

This isn't exactly a problem but
Who was the guy who tried to "refute" your comics. I would love to see someone that screwy.
And Lazy Agnostic keeps saying
"Does that scholar you quoted weigh more than 200 pounds?" in the comics. Can anyone fill me in on the context?

[jpholding]

This isn't exactly a problem but
Who was the guy who tried to "refute" your comics. I would love to see someone that screwy.

I don't recall anything like that except a parody I did:

http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/comicrefute.html


And Lazy Agnostic keeps saying
"Does that scholar you quoted weigh more than 200 pounds?" in the comics. Can anyone fill me in on the context?

He used to make jabs at my weight.

[Spheniscine]

This isn't exactly a problem but
Who was the guy who tried to "refute" your comics. I would love to see someone that screwy.
Leave that to me.
http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/may07scr.html
Search for "codehappy".

I've actually been exploring the fandom the past few weeks, and it really depends on where you hang out. If you hang out in places, especially Christian ones, that moderate against and discourage the creepy stuff, you should be able to avoid them.
http://www.tektoonics.com/etc/parody/comicrefute.html
You may not remember, but actually, I wrote that a long time ago. I did go a little crazy with it... XD

[Pumbelo]

If you find a broken link on one of the two sites, stick 'em here and I'll try to put off fixing it for a few weeks before I finally get off my duff and fix 'em. :hehe:

Actually I usually fix such things within a week.

I usually don't find broken links from other articles, but rather from the search engine.

[jpholding]

You may not remember, but actually, I wrote that a long time ago. I did go a little crazy with it... XD

S'right, sorry, I shoulda said "posted".

[supton]

I was surfing through this past weekend, and I did get a bunch of "page not found" links--of course I didn't write them down. :sad: Anyhow ,the page did say that an email was sent about the issue--JPH, is that true, or should I write down the page that Ｉdidn't find?

[jpholding]

I was surfing through this past weekend, and I did get a bunch of "page not found" links--of course I didn't write them down. :sad: Anyhow ,the page did say that an email was sent about the issue--JPH, is that true, or should I write down the page that Ｉdidn't find?

It depends. A lot of them now are because of the revamp a couple months back.

[supton]

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nwjcarr8.html

http://www.tektonics.org/books/wrightsimrvw.html

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/new2006.html

Was trying to search into the "Jesus as our good buddy" links and found these broken ones. As found through the picosearch feature on the front page.

[jpholding]

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/nwjcarr8.html

http://www.tektonics.org/books/wrightsimrvw.html

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/new2006.html

Was trying to search into the "Jesus as our good buddy" links and found these broken ones. As found through the picosearch feature on the front page.

Yep. The second two were removed in the revamp. The first was taken down because it's going in the Resurrection book. Unfortunately it takes Pico a long time to realize I've made changes.

[Virgil]

Yep. The second two were removed in the revamp. The first was taken down because it's going in the Resurrection book. Unfortunately it takes Pico a long time to realize I've made changes.
I can't believe you took out all the riposte from your articles during the revamp.
You need only compare the version of your response to Price and the one on google cache to see that some :ahem: .. significant revisions have taken place.
Guess you caved in to your critics?

[jpholding]

I can't believe you took out all the riposte from your articles during the revamp.
You need only compare the version of your response to Price and the one on google cache to see that some :ahem: .. significant revisions have taken place.
Guess you caved in to your critics?

Not really. The toon site is still up and I still kick tail here at TWeb and other places.

Rather, the idea was to make it more didactic so that it could be preserved beyond my lifetime. Unfortunately, when you tie productions in to someone's unique style and method, it tends to fade once they're off the scene. Not that I expect to be dead any time soon, but better now than later considering all the work it required.

[Pumbelo]

Bibliography of books on the divine claims of Jesus is broken (http://www.tektonics.org/divclaimsbooks.html)
on this hub-page: http://www.tektonics.org/studyhub.html

[Pumbelo]

I searched for "genealogies" with the search tool and it gives me a broken link:
http://www.tektonics.org/af/adkins02.htm

[jpholding]

I searched for "genealogies" with the search tool and it gives me a broken link:
http://www.tektonics.org/af/adkins02.htm

Nothing new was in that one anyway. It was to an ignorant apostate who repeated the old news.

[T-Shirt Ninja]

Typo here: http://www.tektoonics.com/shriketoon1/shriketoon1013.html

It's at the very top where Brom Shriker says, "Something disagreed with me something poweful."

[Requiem]

Here, the link to Davis' Risen Indeed leads to Solomon Tulbure's book! :eww:

http://www.tektonics.org/books/rezbooks.html

[KingsGambit]

On the following page: http://www.tektonics.org/qt/remarry.html , bullet point #2 under the phrase "When is remarriage allowed?" links to a dead page. While I'm not 100% sure, I think you might be trying to link to the following page:

http://www.tektonics.org/af/divorceexception.html

[Requiem]

Broken link here: http://www.tektonics.org/TK-O.html

http://www.tektonics.org/lp/opentheism.html should be http://www.tektonics.org/lp/opentheism01.html

[jpholding]

I just had Pico do a major re-index. There should be fewer broken links now.