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GrayPilgrim
February 11th 2003, 02:11 PM
My readings in the New Perspective on Paul are limited. However, it has been my opinion that most advocates (following Sanders, Dunn and Wright) have simplified Second Temple Judaism too much to fit their theories. For instance Sanders had to label 1 Enoch "defective" (E.P. Sanders Paul and Palestinian Judaism Fortress: Minneapolis, 1977, 423). It seems that rather than seeing 1 Enoch as a defective representative of Second Temple Judaism, rather the onus is on him to show why his theory of everything is accurate.

Boccacini in his book Beyond the Essene Hypothesis has well argued for a more variegated view of Judaism during the Second Temple Period (Samaritanism, Hellenistic, Zadokite and Enochic). What I find interesting about this theory is that the Pharisees and Saducess came through the Zadokitic Judaism and were the direct descendent of Rabbinic Judaism. Boccacini then argues that Christianity is a descendent of the Enochic tradtion. This is how Boccacini avers the different conceptions of how to read the Bible and the role of Tradition developed.

While one may not accept all of Boccacini's system, I think he points to a very important thing that many with in the New Perspective have ignored, Second Temple Judaism was more complex than they have allowed for in their conceptions.

To quote D.A. Caron in Justification and Variegated Nomism p. 5
It is not that the new perspective has not taught us anything helpful or enduring. Rather, the straightjecket imposed on the apostle Paul by appealing to a highly unified vision of the first-century "pattern of religion" was really like will begin to find itself unbuckled.

So what am I asking? Is the "new perspective" not really too specific ain identifying one strand of Judaism and elevating it to the level of normative Judasim?

Jaltus
February 11th 2003, 04:00 PM
Give me a few weeks. I am reading Dunn right now.

GrayPilgrim
February 11th 2003, 04:16 PM
Which book of his? I still think he did a bang up job on Colosians but have not like anything else I've read of his since.

Jaltus
February 11th 2003, 04:22 PM
Theology of the Apostle Paul. I also have his Romans from WBC, but have not used it yet.

GrayPilgrim
February 11th 2003, 04:43 PM
Jaltus:
Theology of the Apostle Paul. I also have his Romans from WBC, but have not used it yet.

Scott gave his Romans away, if that tells you what he thought of it.

Jaltus
February 12th 2003, 06:07 PM
LOL, I need it for my dissertation, though. Have to have a prominent New Perspective guy.

Arminian
March 2nd 2003, 05:26 AM
Gray,

For now, I agree with the final paragraph in the link below (written by my buddy, Craig, who sort of dislikes NP) concerning the book you mentioned. I think that Carson's book was an attempt to make exceptions the rule. Some of the contributors to the book found no evidence against NP, and what little the others found was profoundly rare in Hebrew thought. But no NP theologain that I know of denies that there were a variety of Jewish views.

We would also expect to find any given anomaly anyone could think of in "Christian" theology if we tried hard enough. I know of at least one source that says that if Christians don't eat a proper diet, they will go to hell. If Luther's perception of Jewish theology had been correct, we wouldn't have to look so hard to find the few exceptions. The lengths to which people have to go to find what they are looking for testimony enough.

Also, it's important to keep in mind that all the NP authors you mentioned have divergent views on a number of important, related topics. Dunn and Sanders have generally been misunderstood, and much of each of them has said includes views I would disagree with. I consider both of them to be primitive. Less so with Wright and Hays.


http://www.denverseminary.edu/dj/articles02/0200/0203.php

" If one were forced to choose strictly between Martin Luther's and E. P. Sanders' views on the nature of first-century Palestinian Judaism, one should still probably prefer Sanders."

undead
March 8th 2003, 11:10 PM
02-11-2003 @ 06:11 PM
GrayPilgrim:
Boccacini in his book Beyond the Essene Hypothesis has well argued for a more variegated view of Judaism during the Second Temple Period (Samaritanism, Hellenistic, Zadokite and Enochic). What I find interesting about this theory is that the Pharisees and Saducess came through the Zadokitic Judaism and were the direct descendent of Rabbinic Judaism. Boccacini then argues that Christianity is a descendent of the Enochic tradtion. This is how Boccacini avers the different conceptions of how to read the Bible and the role of Tradition developed.

While one may not accept all of Boccacini's system, I think he points to a very important thing that many with in the New Perspective have ignored, Second Temple Judaism was more complex than they have allowed for in their conceptions.

I agree. And it seems to me that Daniel was equally as part of the Enochic tradtion as Enoch.