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August 31st 2006, 10:22 PM
Was Jesus Married?

By Bill McKeever

Dan Brown's fictional novel (emphasis on fictional) The DaVinci Code insists that Jesus was married and that he had a child named Sarah with his wife Mary Magdalene. Such a theory is hardly unique. Several Mormon leaders insisted that Jesus was married, but like Brown, none of them offered any more than pure conjecture to support such a claim. Unlike Brown, LDS leaders have gone on record saying Jesus was not only married, but that he was a polygamist as well!

On October 6, 1854, Mormon Apostle Orson Hyde stated, "How was it with Mary and Martha, and other women that followed him [Jesus]? In old times, and it is common in this day, the women, even as Sarah, called their husbands Lord; the word Lord is tantamount to husband in some languages, master, lord, husband, are about synonymous... When Mary of old came to the sepulchre on the first day of the week, instead of finding Jesus she saw two angels in white, 'And they say unto her, Woman, why weepest thou?' She said unto them,' Because they have taken away my Lord,' or husband, 'and I know not where they have laid him.' And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus. Jesus saith unto her, Woman, why weepest thou? whom seekest thou? She, supposing him to be the gardener, saith unto him, Sir, if thou have borne him hence, tell me where thou hast laid him, and I will take him away. Jesus saith unto her, Mary. She turned herself, and saith unto him, Rabboni; which is to say, Master.' Is there not here manifested the affections of a wife. These words speak the kindred ties and sympathies that are common to that relation of husband and wife" (Journal of Discourses 2:81).

In that same talk he went on to say:

"Now there was actually a marriage; and if Jesus was not the bridegroom on that occasion, please tell who was. If any man can show this, and prove that it was not the Savior of the world, then I will acknowledge I am in error. We say it was Jesus Christ who was married, to be brought into the relation whereby he could see his seed, before he was crucified" (Journal of Discourses 2:82).

Answering Hyde's specific question is difficult because scripture gives no indication about who was married on that occasion in Cana. Since Mary, the mother of Jesus, was somehow involved in the preparation, it has been surmised that it could have been a relative, but no concrete evidence is available. One thing is certain, though; this could not have possibly been the wedding of Jesus. John 2:2 makes it abundantly clear that Jesus and His disciples were invited to this event, and since Jewish grooms are not usually invited to their own wedding, it is ridiculous to agree with Hyde's very flawed assumption.

It appears that Hyde's teaching was readily accepted by the LDS leadership. We find no record of Hyde being admonished for teaching such a notion. In fact, we find that he made a similar comment six months later. On March 18, 1855 Hyde said:

"I discover that some of the Eastern papers represent me as a great blasphemer, because I said, in my lecture on Marriage, at our last Conference, that Jesus Christ was married at Cana of Galilee, that Mary, Martha, and others were his wives, and that he begat children" (Journal of Discourses 2:210).

Mormon Apostle Orson Pratt agreed with his contemporary when he wrote, "One thing is certain, that there were several holy women that greatly loved Jesus -- such as Mary, and Martha her sister, and Mary Magdalene; and Jesus greatly loved them, and associated with them much; and when He arose from the dead, instead of showing Himself to His chosen witnesses, the Apostles, He appeared first to these women, or at least to one of them -- namely, Mary Magdalene. Now it would be natural for a husband in the resurrection to appear first to his own dear wives, and afterwards show himself to his other friends. If all the acts of Jesus were written, we no doubt should learn that these beloved women were His wives" (The Seer, p.159).

On page 172 of the same book, Pratt wrote, "We have now clearly shown that God, the Father had a plurality of wives, one or more being in eternity, by whom He begat our spirits as well as the spirit of Jesus His First Born... We have also proved most clearly that the Son followed the example of his Father, and became the great Bridegroom to whom kings' daughters and many honorable Wives to be married."

On July 22, 1883, Wilford Woodruff recorded the words of Joseph F. Smith in his journal. At the time Woodruff was an LDS apostle while Smith was a member of the First Presidency serving as second counselor to President John Taylor. Woodruff wrote, "Evening Meeting. Prayer By E Stephenson. Joseph F Smith spoke One hour & 25 M. He spoke upon the Marriage in Cana at Galilee. He thought Jesus was the Bridgegroom and Mary & Martha the brides. He also refered to Luke 10 ch. 38 to 42 verse, Also John 11 ch. 2 & 5 vers John 12 Ch 3d vers, John 20 8 to 18. Joseph Smith spoke upon these passages to show that Mary & Martha manifested much Closer relationship than Merely A Believer which looks Consistet. He did not think that Jesus who decended throug Poligamous families from Abraham down & who fulfilled all the Law even baptism by immersion would have lived and died without being married." (Wilford Woodruff's Journal 8:187, July 22, 1883, spelling left intact).

To my knowledge there is no evidence to indicate that Woodruff disagreed with Smith's comments. Woodruff and Smith later became Mormonism's fourth and sixth presidents.

Was this just a nineteenth century Mormon notion? Not entirely. In a letter dated March 17, 1963, Joseph Fielding Smith was asked if the phrase "he shall see his seed" mentioned in Isaiah 53:10 meant that Christ had children. In the letter it also mentioned that "only through temple marriage can we receive the highest degree of exaltation and dwell in the presence of our Heavenly Father" and since Christ came to set an example, is it correct to assume that Jesus was married? When Smith responded to this letter, he held the position of an LDS apostle. He would later become Mormonism's 10th president after the death of David O. McKay in January of 1970.

Rather than retype the inquirer's questions, Smith handwrote his reply at the bottom of the letter. To the first question he gave a reference from the Book of Mormon, Mosiah 15:10-12, admonishing the inquirer to "Please Read Your Book of Mormon!" The contexts of these passages do not say that Jesus had children. Instead it implies that Jesus' seed are those whose sins Jesus has borne. However, Joseph Fielding Smith answered the second question (Was Jesus married?) by writing, "Yes! But do not preach it! The Lord advised us not to cast pearls before swine!" Underneath his reply bore the signature of Joseph Fielding Smith.

Such comments caused the LDS Church public relations team to go into damage control mode. An article in the May 17, 2006 issue of the Deseret News titled "LDS do not endorse claims in 'DaVinci'" stated, "LDS doctrine does not endorse claims made in a popular book and movie that Jesus Christ was married." The article went on to quote LDS Church spokesperson Dale Bills who had said this just a day earlier: "The belief that Christ was married has never been official church doctrine. It is neither sanctioned nor taught by the church. While it is true that a few church leaders in the mid-1800s expressed their opinions on the matter, it was not then, and is not now, church doctrine."

Such a disclaimer once again exposes the duplicity of the LDS Church. Mormons often boast that their church is a restoration of the New Testament model. They also claim to have men who are called by God to instruct the LDS membership in teachings that are allegedly true. Yet, when they are confronted with embarrassing comments from these leaders, this same church distances itself from such remarks. Notice I said distance and not denounced. Nowhere does Bills say that such teachings are not true; rather, they just aren't "official." This is, dare I say, the official way the Mormon leadership gets itself out of awkward jams. The problem is, as I have often said, the LDS Church cannot supply a definition of the word official that has been consistent throughout its history. Still, we have enough information from church manuals to show that Bills statement is certainly misleading at best.

Is Bills' being totally honest when he relegates these teachings to mere opinion? No, he isn't.

Notice the date of Orson Hyde's first comment above. Hyde's talk was given on October 6, 1854, in conference. Conference is held twice a year and addresses given at these events are not taken lightly by most Latter-day Saints. Fifteenth President Ezra Taft Benson even referred to them as a member's "marching orders" for the next six months (Teachings of Ezra Taft Benson, p. 335).

Consider also that the quotes supplied above are statements from very prominent members of the LDS Church leadership, three of whom would go on to become Mormon prophets. Is Bills really trying to imply that these men were speaking irresponsibly? I don't believe that at all. This is just another case of the LDS Church hiding behind words and counting on an ignorant public. If we had three apostles agreeing on a specific teaching in the New Testament, it can be certain that it would, without question, be considered Christian doctrine.

Furthermore, in 1945 the General Priesthood Committee of the Council of the Twelve commissioned a book to be written by Seventy Milton R. Hunter that was to be "used by all high priest's, seventies', and elders' classes in their weekly meetings, beginning January 1, 1946." The Gospel Through the Ages was to present "the story of the plan of life and salvation which was instituted by our Heavenly father and His Only Begotten Son in the spirit world before man was placed upon the earth; and it discusses the revelations of eternal truths from Adam's day forward" (Preface, p.vii).

On page 18 of The Gospel Through the Ages it lists the "Gospel Ordinances" that must be practiced by "the sons and daughters of God" if they hope to get back into the presence of God. "Such ordinances as baptism, confirmation, temple ordinances, priesthood ordinations, marriage, and others, are all part of the Gospel plan of Salvation" (emphasis mine.). On the following page it states that "Jesus Christ, the only perfect man who has lived on this earth, was perfect because He obeyed all the principles and ordinances of the Gospel in order that He 'might fulfill all righteousness'" (emphasis mine). If that is so, then Bills is misleading the public when he relegates the above comments to mere opinion.

But let us assume for the sake of argument that such teachings were mere opinion. Are Latter-day Saints given the option to treat comments from general authorities as they would a restaurant salad bar, picking and choosing only what appeals to them? Well, according to one LDS Church manual, "Prophets have the right to personal opinions. Not every word they speak should be thought of as an official interpretation or pronouncement. However, their discourses to the Saints, and their official writings should be considered products of their official prophetic calling and should be heeded" (Teachings of the Living Prophets, p.21. Emphasis mine).

Are we to assume that the LDS leadership and its PR department don't read their church's manuals? Or are we to assume that they hope the membership doesn't? One thing is abundantly clear and that is the LDS Church is of often guilty of teaching two messages -- one for the membership and one for the general public. May our Lord expose this duplicity and in doing so cause Mormons everywhere to see that their church has no intention of being truthful when it comes to its teachings or history.

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Bill the Cat
September 1st 2006, 11:48 AM
Another fine piece by the good folks at MRM. The final paragraph sums up my investigations of Mormonism very nicely.

Jillyn'Toast
September 3rd 2006, 08:23 PM
Nice article :thumb:

Xavier
September 4th 2006, 10:06 PM
ka-:bump:

Machiavelli
September 4th 2006, 11:53 PM
Agreed, great work by Bill.

Another fine piece by the good folks at MRM. The final paragraph sums up my investigations of Mormonism very nicely.

okcitykid
September 5th 2006, 01:30 PM
Very good work. I could not get your MRM site to open, maybe it is a temporary thing.

Officially I am Morman and am dissapointed as it seems that the body count is more important then the truth.

Concerning Jesus being married, I have to ask, "and this is a problem why?" I have read in other scriptures not in the bible that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and I believe it is true and don't understand why this would be a problem. I think this is simply a reflection of our belief that sex it sin, so how could Jesus then be perfect?

But all that God had created, sex included, is good.

Cowthulu
September 5th 2006, 02:11 PM
Concerning Jesus being married, I have to ask, "and this is a problem why?" I have read in other scriptures not in the bible that Jesus was married to Mary Magdalene and I believe it is true and don't understand why this would be a problem. I think this is simply a reflection of our belief that sex it sin, so how could Jesus then be perfect?

But all that God had created, sex included, is good.


IF he had been married, there is no problem. The problem is simply that no reliable gospel (IMO) shows this to be true.

Bill the Cat
September 5th 2006, 03:03 PM
IF he had been married, there is no problem. The problem is simply that no reliable gospel (IMO) shows this to be true.

Actually, He is married already to the Church.

Machiavelli
September 5th 2006, 11:42 PM
Kudo's again for the excellent article. I admit I've always had some questions in this area, even before the DaVinci Code. Knowing of course books like the DaVinci Code are simple fiction (as the author himself admits); and the false teachings of the Mormon faith, there are long standing legends in Southern France regarding Christ having a child. While these legends did appear in the DaVinci Code, and were of course dramatized and woven into the fiction novel, the legends still do exist all the same.

In fact these legends were discussed in other previous works, for example a couple books written by I think Margaret Starbird; and there are even groups groups devoted to this belief (I think Sophian Gnosticism....not that I ever gave any creedence to dualistic views......is one example). I'm not putting any major weight behind these sources & it's been a while since I thought about this topic; however, I've always felt that if Christ did bear a child it wouldn't change much for me as far as my own Christian belief & devotion.

dizzle
September 9th 2006, 05:52 PM
the fish asked me to bump this

okcitykid
September 11th 2006, 05:19 PM
The problem is simply that no reliable gospel (IMO)

Who decides what is reliable gospel and not reliable gospel? I sure hope they don't make a mistake and throw out the truth.

Bill the Cat
September 11th 2006, 05:33 PM
Who decides what is reliable gospel and not reliable gospel? I sure hope they don't make a mistake and throw out the truth.
Scholars base it on support from church fathers, linguistic evidence from the correct time period, etc... may I suggest http://www.tektonics.org/lp/ntcanon.html and http://www.christian-thinktank.com/gthomas.html

BurntOffering
September 12th 2006, 02:55 PM
I belive God intends for the Only Begotten Son, aka Jesus Christ to have a wife of his own, but that Jesus knew it would take a long time therefore he was not married to Mary Magdalene.

Rev. 19:17 says the wife hath made herself Ready and I believe His Wife is the one typing this message writing and righting now. So RSVP you invite to a Wedding designed to End All Time, Id bet or cast lots it will be to Die For

Peace Out

BurntOffering
September 18th 2006, 02:57 PM
Guest or not; how come this post isnt in Unorthodoxed? :sigh:


I belive God intends for the Only Begotten Son, aka Jesus Christ to have a wife of his own, but that Jesus knew it would take a long time therefore he was not married to Mary Magdalene.

Rev. 19:17 says the wife hath made herself Ready and I believe His Wife is the one typing this message writing and righting now. So RSVP you invite to a Wedding designed to End All Time, Id bet or cast lots it will be to Die For

Peace Out

master_mormon
October 29th 2006, 02:22 AM
The whole article could have been reduced to simply as this.

The LDS Church has no official stance on the issue of the martial status of Jesus during his mortal life. The issue is not directly addressed in the Bible, Book of Mormon, D&C, and Pearl of Great Price. The Church does allow members to come to their own conclusions on the issue. Hence one will find basically 4 groups of LDS on this issue.

1. Some LDS believe Jesus was not married.
2. Some LDS believe that Jesus was married to a wife.
3. Some LDS believe that Jesus may have been a polygamist.
4. Some LDS have formed no conclusion on the issue.

All 4 groups exist in the LDS Church. Some LDS leaders in times past have stated that they believed that Jesus was married but their conclusions where never made official doctrine nor where efforts made to instruct the membership they they needed to know it and accept their conclusions. This is the current and historical position of the LDS Church on the issue of the marital status of Jesus."

Had Bill simply said that, it would have saved him a lot of work and he actually would have have been much more acceptable to me.

BurntOffering
October 29th 2006, 11:34 AM
If Jesus never married does that mean that He could not now chose a Bride of his own? Yes I know the Bride is the Church but could the Bride also be a Real Hot Blooded Living Woman :blush: kinda like myself, which I have claimed from the very start and is supported by scripture. What do LDS, Christians and Heathens think about this one.

What about this; would Jesus marry Satan if God told him to do it because Satan was the Daughter of God's, Sister Spirit, Wife and espoused Bride of Jesus Christ planned from the beginning?

Peace out




The whole article could have been reduced to simply as this.

The LDS Church has no official stance on the issue of the martial status of Jesus during his mortal life. The issue is not directly addressed in the Bible, Book of Mormon, D&C, and Pearl of Great Price. The Church does allow members to come to their own conclusions on the issue. Hence one will find basically 4 groups of LDS on this issue.

1. Some LDS believe Jesus was not married.
2. Some LDS believe that Jesus was married to a wife.
3. Some LDS believe that Jesus may have been a polygamist.
4. Some LDS have formed no conclusion on the issue.

All 4 groups exist in the LDS Church. Some LDS leaders in times past have stated that they believed that Jesus was married but their conclusions where never made official doctrine nor where efforts made to instruct the membership they they needed to know it and accept their conclusions. This is the current and historical position of the LDS Church on the issue of the marital status of Jesus."

Had Bill simply said that, it would have saved him a lot of work and he actually would have have been much more acceptable to me.

BurntOffering
January 26th 2007, 03:37 PM
No Jesus was not married, but God does intend for him to have a wife of his own. I believe this wife will be Satan in the flesh of a woman, who comes in the name of God claiming to be the Daughter of Gods, Sister Spirit and wife of Jesus Christ. I further believe that God almighty is a Female = XX Spirit whose heavenly body, water and womb we all come from.

Peace out