I'll be on Gene Cook's show....

[jpholding]

...on this Friday the 6th. The theme I suggested will be on the lines of "Why Johnny Can't Believe" but I won't mind if it ranges here and there.

[Leonhard]

...on this Friday the 6th. The theme I suggested will be on the lines of "Why Johnny Can't Believe" but I won't mind if it ranges here and there.

Cool, I'll just note it down can't wait to hear it ^_^ Oh no... I just realised that this happens on the same day as when my brother recieves his ordination for priesthood. Anyway I can get a recording?

[jpholding]

Cool, I'll just note it down can't wait to hear it ^_^ Oh no... I just realised that this happens on the same day as when my brother recieves his ordination for priesthood. Anyway I can get a recording?

I think he does archive the shows.

[dizzle]

Yes they are available for free on his site for a week. And if you have i-tunes you can subscribe to his pod-feed and get them which is what I do.

[JardinPrayer]

So, can we do a PalTalk simulcast again? Or do you have to be a site-owner to get that kind of action?

[jpholding]

Hey, that was fun! I was expecting some fundy atheists to try calling in, though. I guess they were too busy. :hehe:

[JSDileo]

...on this Friday the 6th. The theme I suggested will be on the lines of "Why Johnny Can't Believe" but I won't mind if it ranges here and there.
That's great JP! Do you have the link for the archival of the radio broadcast? :smile:

[jpholding]

That's great JP! Do you have the link for the archival of the radio broadcast? :smile:

They're supposed to send me some specific info later, but I know that unchainedradio.com is their site.

[JardinPrayer]

Sorry I missed it, JP. I'll try to catch it on Gene's site.

[JB]

You're done with the show already? Huh, I figured it'd be more of an evening thing. Not that it would've made a large difference to my listening capacity for the broadcast, seeing as how I won't have a computer with sound available to my use until tomorrow.

I was expecting some fundy atheists to try calling in, though. I guess they were too busy. :hehe:

That was basically the first thing that popped into my mind when you announced that you'd be on. Would've been entertaining to hear you handle it. :hehe:


Oh, and for interested parties, you should be able to listen to the file here: http://podcast.unchainedradio.com/podcast/nm10062006.mp3

Snatched the link from the Unchained Radio Podcast page (http://podcast.unchainedradio.com/). Should work, unless, of course, I've made a mistake. But we all know that never happens... :ahem:

[Darth Executor]

JP, are you talking throughout the whole show?

[jpholding]

JP, are you talking throughout the whole show?

I take it that's a funny way of saying that Gene and I seem like ideological twin brothers. :hehe: We are in many ways, but he's a presuppositionalist and a Calvinist while I'm an evidentialist and a somewhat-Molinist.

[Darth Executor]

Actually I wanted to know if I have to listen to the entire hour (he usually bores me to death).

PS: You sound like a Texan Oil Baron. Maybe you need some time off from drawing Trout? :rasberry:

[jpholding]

Actually I wanted to know if I have to listen to the entire hour (he usually bores me to death).

Oh. Yes, I'm on the whole hour.

PS: You sound like a Texan Oil Baron. Maybe you need some time off from drawing Trout? :rasberry:

It's how we talks here in FL too. :tongue:

[sc_q_jayce]

You are soooooo outdated.

WWF is now WWE, wild man!

:rasberry:

[Darth Executor]

And he didn't listen to the Discomforter even though I personally gave him the link. :glare:

[Philosophickle]

...on this Friday the 6th. The theme I suggested will be on the lines of "Why Johnny Can't Believe" but I won't mind if it ranges here and there.

He was awefully interested in your views on foreknowledge, Calvinism, blech.

I was hoping to hear Loftus phone in.

[dizzle]

I am almost done with the show, very good JP.

[Pogotrucci]

Wonderfull <3

[JB]

Just got finished listening to the show, JP, and I must say, it was worth the 1.5-hour download time (I really need to get that new laptop of mine connected to the Internet, huh?). :thumb: It was interesting to finally hear your clarification on James Patrick Holding having been your birth name. I had meant to ask you about that, but I kept forgetting. I also have to second Philosophickle's comments. As far as content, of course, the show had essentially what I'd expect from you. Meaning, good job. :hehe:

Oh, and thanks to Darth, I now can't get the image of you as a Texan oil baron out of my head. :glare:

So JP, I assume you plan to at some point put this show in Tekton's Audio Library, correct?

[aikidoka]

Good job JP

Your mention of Doherty reminded me of an online twit that uses his arguments and then had the gall to recently say C.S. Lewis was a wise man but not altogether in reply to someone quoting Lewis regarding God's omnipotence.

[jpholding]

You are soooooo outdated.

WWF is now WWE, wild man!

Yeah. I stopped watching that soap opera for men years ago. :rofl:


And he didn't listen to the Discomforter even though I personally gave him the link.

Dewd....every second I do something else is less time I can spend drawing. :wink:


He was awefully interested in your views on foreknowledge, Calvinism, blech.


That may have been driven by people writing to him about it. There are some Calvinists out there who'd rather see me drawn and quartered than featured on a show like that.

I was hoping to hear Loftus phone in.

He knows better. :hehe:

t was interesting to finally hear your clarification on James Patrick Holding having been your birth name.

Ironic, isn't it, given all the whining the Skeppies do about it. :rofl:

Oh, and thanks to Darth, I now can't get the image of you as a Texan oil baron out of my head.

I do wear a black jacaaru hat at times...

So JP, I assume you plan to at some point put this show in Tekton's Audio Library, correct?

Yep. Just downloaded it. I'll try to get it done before I leave for my little trip Wed. Today I have to prepare for a teaching I'll be doing Saturday. Plus I have to get the next RP #5 installment done of course. :wink:


Thanks to all for the good words.

[jpholding]

A reader advised me that Ed "Sewer Mouth" Babinski left some comments about the show on Cook's blog.

The verbal exchange b/w Holding and yourself on Molinism and your introduction of the verse about "the hairs on our heads being numbered," seemed every so slightly tense between you two. Not that Holding would ever be considered an "open theologian," though perhaps his view is still a bit too Arminian for your liking?

"Tense"? I dunno where Edski gets these imaginations. I hesitated a bit because I wasn't used to answering philosophical questions about how God's omniscience worked. The "open theism" comment was directed to listeners to ensure that my position was clear.

Wished I'd heard more on the show about Holding's spiritual odyssey.

Yeah, old Shallow Mind Blabinski always wants to hear something personal rather than deal in arguments and facts. He's desperate for something he can use as a genetic fallacy.

Especially the story of his conversion, and subsequent changes in viewpoint over the years concerning things like the "personal savior" idea (he now prefers a different idea and term); and, why he abandoned his childhood view that hell would be like a form of torture; and, how and why he began to lose faith in the power of O.T. prophecies as convincing "proofs" to use in debates.

Well, Edski, let me inform your ignorance:

1) I never used the term "personal savior" ever. It always struck me as too smarmy. I have also always found the "buddy Jesus" view absurd. It was when I reached into the social sciences that I found out that my suspicions about the whole thing had factual validity.
2) Edski thinks I had some "childhood view" of hell I dropped. I didn't believe any of this as a child. I was raised to believe that Christianity was an intolerant and false belief system, and that "hell as torture" was one of the proofs that it was.

Beyond that, I never looked independently into the matter until the last few years.

3) I never HAD faith to lose in OT prophecies, other than those that are prophetic in the sense that the term is used today (wrongly) to mean simply predicting the future. I kept any judgment in such matters in abeyance (between clear "future prediction" texts like Daniel's) until I did my research.

Also, I wonder whether or not Holding is beginning to grow soft on the young-earth creationism of his youth (I am assuming he once was one and believed in it to the exclusion of alternatives, at least for a little while when he was young);

Once again, Dumbski puts his foot in his mouth. I never believed any of this when I was "young". And I have always been of the mind that an old earth view wouldn't break my leg. I have never dabbled with "theistic evolutionary theological views".

I ask because he recently included a review of Dawkin's atheist evolutionists's book at his site, a reviw written by someone who appears to be a theistic evolutionist.

If Edski had any brains he'd know that I give guest writers freedom to disagree with me if I think they make good points otherwise. No, he just assumes I'm a closed-minded fundy like he used to be.

And because theologically speaking, Preterism seems to make a teeny bit more sense in combination with a local flood, rather than with a worldwide flood scenario.

A local flood wouldn't break my leg either and never would have.

Is Holding drawing nearer to C. S. Lewis and his apologetics approach these days? He called himself a "mere Christian," and I mentioned Holding's change of theological views concerning hell which also resembles the view Lewis defended in broad outlines anyway; and I mentioned Holding's lack of interest in questions concerning the age of the earth, even the inclusion of a recent book review by a theistic evolutionist at his website.

Edski, you're a moron. I've BEEN a CSL apologist since day 1. Lewis was the first apologist I ever read. He and I share the same rare personality type (Meyers-Briggs, INTJ). The only difference is that Lewis didn't avail himself of Biblical scholarship.


I suspect though that Holding's continuing changes in his views will come only gradually and over time, and I wouldn't truly expect anyone with any intellectual integrity to change their own views drastically overnight either,
not if such changes were indeed based on intensive study of a wide range of scholarly materials. So I wish Holding well in his studies concerning all matters, theological, and even scientific if he ever finds time for both. (Sometimes it takes more than just theology and history to prime the mental pump so to speak.)

I suspect you're a moron, Edski. And keep in mind that over the years I have become more convinced of that fact as well. :hehe: He and Loftus and their ilk are gnawing their nails hoping to someday add me to their trophy case. They'll need better than what they can ever offer to do that.


No doubt even if Holding grows increasingly moderate on some issues (including the "numbered hairs" question), many of his Reformed and inerrantist friends will continue to still find his website of interest since it covers a wide range of topics.

Most likely. But I'm not "moderate" or "conservative" or "liberal" -- I think for myself. And since I also think Edski is a moron, and have become more convinced of that over time, he'd better hope I stop thinking for myself and go fundy like he used to be.


In a similar fashion, the C. S. Lewis collection of books and original writings housed at Wheaton College (Billy Graham's alma mater) is still treated very preciously, though the college itself has never yet espouses many of Lewis's moderate Christian views. For instance Wheaton still fires any of its Protestant professors who convert to Catholicism (as it did recently); and even let a biology professor go who refuse to nod obligingly in the direction of creationism (but instead was a thoroughgoing theistic evolutionist). Therefore Wheaton isn't eactly a "mere Christian" college in the Lewisian respect, even though they find it handy to have the largest collection of Lewis's works in North America. Not yet, though it's growing more moderate slowly, not drastically, just as it seems Holding is too.

My best to you and your show! And to Holding too!


Yeah, my best too. I hope Edski gets picked up by rabid vultures and turned into a mulligan stew. :hehe:

[dizzle]

wherei s the blog?

[jpholding]

wherei s the blog?

http://tnma.blogspot.com/