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shunyadragon
10-10-2015, 02:37 PM
In a previous thread in Civics the subject came up concerning the Fall and Original Sin, and Atonement. There were objections to my view of Original Sin and the Fall by some. This was probably off topic in the previous thread. There for I believe an alternate thread for the discussion of the topic is warranted.

Adam described my view of Original Sin as a Calvinist belief no longer accepted by most Christians. I will address this in a separate post.

Gustaf Aulen was cited to in some way supported Adam's view here"




Bishop Gustav Aulen's "reincarnation" of THE traditional Christian theory of Atonement, the Classical Theory of Atonement. Based on Jesus's words in Mark we find Jesus had to die to free Earth from Satan's dominion. As Satan as an angel pre-dated Adam, you are wrong to hold as essential that the non-Biblical concept of Original Sin and the not expressly biblical concept of the Fall of Adam.

Adam attempted to use Aulen to justify his objection to the Fall and Original Sin. I will address this in a later post. Gustaf Aulen does not help the case for an alternate view beyond the presentation of alternate views of atonement that do not resolve the differences nor argue strongly for a change in the traditional view of the 'Fall and Original Sin.'

If Adam wishes to pursue this view using Aulen, he needs to cite Aulen specifically.

Yes, this has become a controversial subject in the 20th Century and different Theologians offer different views and explanations, but I believe the traditional view of the Fall and Original Sin remains at the foundation of traditional Christian belief, and it is not the Calvinist view which I will address in a later post.

Adam
10-10-2015, 03:53 PM
Hey, Robrecht--
Wanna have another endless conversation with Shuny who completely misunderstands me as much as he misunderstand you?

shunyadragon
10-10-2015, 07:39 PM
Hey, Robrecht--
Wanna have another endless conversation with Shuny who completely misunderstands me as much as he misunderstand you?

I only have quoted you specifically so that there would be no miscommunication. Please cite Gustaf Aulen specifically to support your claim so that there will be no misunderstanding. I have read his work and others that describe his works in the past.