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BrianK
November 6th 2006, 06:57 PM
Do you guys believe he was not the christ and the anti-christ? If so why would he be born of a virgin when scriptures say the christ will be born of a virgin in Bethlehem? "But you Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah, for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shephered of my people Israel." That is what God says through a prophet. God always says through prophets "Out of Egypt I called my son". Joseph took Jesus to Egypt until Herod died because he killed all boys 2 years old and younger which also fulfills a scripture from Jeremiah "A voice is heard in the Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted because they are no more." and won't didn't the scriptures say "He will be called the Nazarene."? Jesus fulfills all the scriptures but why don't you guys believe that and say he was the false christ?

moose7237
November 6th 2006, 07:16 PM
Do you guys believe he was not the christ and the anti-christ? If so why would he be born of a virgin when scriptures say the christ will be born of a virgin in Bethlehem? "But you Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, are by no means least among the rulers of Judah, for out of you will come a ruler who will be the shephered of my people Israel." That is what God says through a prophet. God always says through prophets "Out of Egypt I called my son". Joseph took Jesus to Egypt until Herod died because he killed all boys 2 years old and younger which also fulfills a scripture from Jeremiah "A voice is heard in the Ramah, weeping and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children and refusing to be comforted because they are no more." and won't didn't the scriptures say "He will be called the Nazarene."? Jesus fulfills all the scriptures but why don't you guys believe that and say he was the false christ?

Hello and Peace be to you friend,
There are a few things that we don't believe about Jesus.

1. We don't believe that he is God or ever claimed to be so
2. We don't believe in original sin
3. we don't believe that he was crucified

Muslims believe that Jesus is a great messenger of God that performed many miracles by his permission and came about to spread God's message and no more.

Dark_Bettle
November 6th 2006, 07:19 PM
I believe Jesus was a real person, a prophet of a totally new type of religion. He preched this, coincided to which it seemed he perform amazing deeds, and then was crxified for his beliefs. As an atheist, I believe Jesus was a person true to his faith (whether "incorrect" or not). Whether or not he was holy, rised from death, and conquered evil and Satan are questionable but my opinion remains standing.

BrianK
November 6th 2006, 07:55 PM
Hello and Peace be to you friend,
There are a few things that we don't believe about Jesus.

1. We don't believe that he is God or ever claimed to be so
2. We don't believe in original sin
3. we don't believe that he was crucified

Muslims believe that Jesus is a great messenger of God that performed many miracles by his permission and came about to spread God's message and no more.

You don't believe he was crucified but there were eye witnesses he matched and fulfilled all the scriptures

BrianK
November 6th 2006, 08:03 PM
I don't know where I read this but I read something like you guys believe the the real messiah will come out of a well like in Iran with the Jesus is the correct? Why do you guys believe that if that is true?

Justin Thyme
November 18th 2006, 06:49 PM
I don't know where I read this but I read something like you guys believe the the real messiah will come out of a well like in Iran with the Jesus is the correct? Why do you guys believe that if that is true?
I'm not Muslim, but I will take a shot at this, having asked the same question in the past of a friend.

Keep in mind, just as there are numerous divisions within Christianity (Protestant, Catholic, Baptist, Seventh Day Adventist, Mormon, etc), there are divisions within Islam, which means there isn't necessarily a universal answer.

From what I understand, Islam believes in the existence of Jesus, and that he was a great prophet and teacher. They just don't believe that he was the son or incarnation of G-d. They also believe Mohammed was the last prophet.

But many people seem to see these things like Jesus divinity as self-evident. Less than 1/3 of the world population is Christian, so this is far from a universal belief.

The same way in which many Christians look back over history and claim that Islam is a perversion of the faith, so Muslims believe that the Trinity is a perversion of the "one G-d".

Although Christians believe that Jesus fulfilled the claims of the OT, others feel that while he meets much of the criteria, that doesn't mean his is the One.

Abraham
November 18th 2006, 09:47 PM
Does performing miracles make Yashu'a unique ?


No many prophets did that and some disciples . Moses and his brother Aaron did miracles called wonders in Pharaoh's court in Exodus 11; 10 , In Mark 9 ; 38 - 39 it speaks of Bar Jesus doing a miracle in Jesus name and in Acts 4 ; 13 - 16 Peter and John healed and an impotent man ,

Does raising the dead back to life make him unique ? No Elijah did that in ( 1Kings 17 ; 17-22 ) for a woman whose young son died .

Does walking on water make him unique ? No Peter did that in Matthew 14; 29 .

Does dying and coming back to life make him unique ? No because Elijah and Mose did that in Matthew 17 ; 4 . He even said himself that John the Baptist was Elijah returned in the flesh in Matthew 17 ; 12 - 13 .

Does ascending up into the heavens in front of others make him unique ? No Elijah did that 2Kings 2 ; 11 , So did Enoch in Genesis 5 ; 24 .

Does turning water into wine make him unique ? No Moses also altered molecules and turned water into blood in Exodus 7 ; 19 .

Does being called one of the Elohyeem unique ? No Mose was called god in Exodus 7 ; 1 .
Abraham also call Adon translated as '' lord '' said Sarah in Genesis 18 ; 12

Does healing the blind , lepers , cripple , diseases make him unique ? No , his own disciples did these things in Matthew 10 ; 1 , Mark 6 ; 7 - 13 , Luke 9 ; 1

Just to name a few .

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