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Hitch
February 12th 2003, 09:20 PM
Here is a place to produce any and all of the prophecies predicting yet another brick and mortar temple.

Old or New Testement's ,,,and if ya cant find any there we'll even accept the Qoran, just this once.

Hitch

Darth Xena
February 12th 2003, 09:23 PM
Here they are Hitch:

Hitch
February 12th 2003, 09:58 PM
Better get my glasses on,,fine print ya know...

efta777
February 13th 2003, 03:20 AM
I've got one! Wait... no, that's not the Bible, it's just a copy of "The Late Great Planet Earth." Nevermind.

Lizard
February 13th 2003, 08:32 AM
efta777:
I've got one! Wait... no, that's not the Bible, it's just a copy of "The Late Great Planet Earth." Nevermind.

When I was a teenager, that was one of my favorite books. Why wasn't I smoking dope like all of the other good kids in my neighborhood?

:argh:

Hitch
February 13th 2003, 12:55 PM
LMAO

GrayPilgrim
February 13th 2003, 12:58 PM
What's your take on Ezekiel 40-8?

Hitch
February 13th 2003, 01:06 PM
GrayPilgrim:
What's your take on Ezekiel 40-8?



Ps 132:12-16
12 If thy children will keep my covenant and my testimony that I shall teach them, their children shall also sit upon thy throne for evermore.
13 For the LORD hath chosen Zion; he hath desired it for his habitation.
14 This is my rest for ever: here will I dwell; for I have desired it.
15 I will abundantly bless her provision: I will satisfy her poor with bread.
16 I will also clothe her priests with salvation:
(KJV)







Heb 12:22-23
22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
(KJV)

gotta head for work...
H

efta777
February 13th 2003, 03:41 PM
GrayPilgrim:
What's your take on Ezekiel 40-8?

What's your question about Ezekiel 40-8?
Ezekiel prophecied the rebuilding of the temple, and the temple was later rebuilt.

smilax
February 13th 2003, 06:00 PM
GrayPilgrim:
What's your take on Ezekiel 40-8?Directly Ezra's temple, typologically new heaven and earth.

(And there's an already/not yet fulfillment in the church for the latter.)

Jaltus
February 13th 2003, 06:31 PM
Um, slight problem there. Ezekiel's temple was never built. Check out the description and then look up Herod's temple. Not even close to being a match.

Darth Xena
February 13th 2003, 06:33 PM
Hey J-man!! The Hater of all Email Notifications....

Well there are two aspects to that. First, the prophecy was not unconditional. Second, it is being fulfilled in the Church.

GrayPilgrim
February 13th 2003, 11:15 PM
I can see the typological, but if it was only meant to be tyopological, why go into all the details of cubits, what is the typological significance? Why make the point that there is no deviding wall? Ezra's Temple did have a separate court of hte Gentiles, which is clearly absent from Ezekiel's! Wouldn't it have been easier for Ezekiel to have continued in the same manner as before than to describe a future Temple, in which Yahweh is there is the name of the city?Why show a holy of Holies as different, i.e. a throne not an ark? Why speak of the river flowing from Zion to the east, which turns the Dead Sea into a living sea? Why redistribute the Land to the Tribes with a new segement set aside for "the Prince" and Temple, thus depriving Jerusalem from any one tribe? Moreover, your take totaly destroys the Zion Theology of the Psalms and the Prophets.


These are put in space-time dimensions. For all the screaming and hollering about futurists ignoring the plain meaning of a text and adding stuff, it seems that these eight chapters receive the same violence from your view.


[BTW I want to do my disertation on Ezekiel/Leviticus].

GrayPilgrim
February 13th 2003, 11:24 PM
First, the prophecy was not unconditional.

I find no particles of conditionality in the text at all.

)im occurs 47 times in the book of Ezekiel, 5 in chapters 40-8, of these 4 are part of a ky-)im clause which far from being conditional is an asevrative, the only one that conveys conditionality is 43:11:

Ezekiel 43:10-11 10 "As for you, son of man, describe to the house of Israel the temple, that they may be ashamed of their iniquities; and they shall measure the plan. 11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design of the temple, its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, that is, its whole design; and make known to them as well all its statutes and its whole design and all its laws, and write it down in their sight, so that they may observe all its laws and all its statutes and carry them out.

Then and only then is Ezekiel to reveal the dimensions, so to see that it is written tells us that they met that condition!

GP

smilax
February 13th 2003, 11:32 PM
Quote specific verses so we can get this exegetical party started?

Ishmael
February 13th 2003, 11:38 PM
Here are my verses on the new Temple, DDW helped me:

Hitch
February 14th 2003, 06:08 PM
Calvinist:
Here are my verses on the new Temple, DDW helped me: With all that information any dedicated DF could build a seminary.

Darth Xena
February 15th 2003, 01:42 AM
Dear GP:

Yes it was verses 43:11 that was the explicit conditionality that I was referring to, but I also believe that there was implicit conditionality as well. I think at this point, though, I have to apologize for I do not have the time right now to sufficiently devote to this. Perhaps at some time in the future, but I will be bowing out of this conversation unfortunately... but if I am going to do justice to the other indepth discussions I have committed to, I really have no choice. Sorry. And I am not saying this under the allusion that if i don't participate that is the end of the thread or anything like that, I have confidence in the other participants to do so, I just wanted to explain my absence.