efta777
February 13th 2003, 12:48 AM
I was reading Revelation 1:1 just now and I noticed something that I hadn't before:
Revelation 1:1-2
The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
I've never noticed the complexity of the revelation's route to John: It was given to Jesus by the father (Matt. 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."), then Jesus gave it to the angel, who in turn gave it to John, who in turn gave it to all of us.
I suppose I'm just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this verse, and if I am right in comparing it to Matt. 24:36
Ezraarah
March 10th 2004, 11:32 PM
I was reading Revelation 1:1 just now and I noticed something that I hadn't before:
Revelation 1:1-2
The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
I've never noticed the complexity of the revelation's route to John: It was given to Jesus by the father (Matt. 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."), then Jesus gave it to the angel, who in turn gave it to John, who in turn gave it to all of us.
I suppose I'm just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this verse, and if I am right in comparing it to Matt. 24:36
The Second Testament ( which is referred to as The New Testament ) was compiled in 325 A.D. by the Council of Nicaea , and consisted of 27 books. Although the Second Testament is thought to be the Book of Yashua the Messiah , it is not The Book Of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Is the book of Revelation the Evangel or Al Injiyl of The Noble's Koran 3 l 48 <> And He Allah will teach him ( Yashua / Isa ) Al Kitaab '' The Scripture ; ( The Enuma Elish , Gilgamesh Epic , Etana , Atra Hasis , The Descent Of Ishtar To The Underworld The Secrets Of Adafa , Nergal And Arishkegal ) . Al Hikmah The Book Wisdom ( of Luqman ) ; and Al Tawraat ' The Torah ( the Law of The Eloheem Mosheh , The Prophet Aharown , And The Apostle Yehowsuwa , The Successor Of Mosheh ; and Al Injiyl , Evangel ' ( of Yashua / Isa ) ;...
Isaiah 40 ; 13 - 14 <> Who hath directed the Spirit of the Lord , or being his counselor hath taught him ? With whom took he counsel and who instructed him and taught him in the path of judgement and taught him knowledge and showed to him the way of understanding ?
Luke 1 ; 32 - 33 , 80 , 2 ;40 , 52 ,
He shall be great , and shall be called the Son of the Highest ; and the Lord , God shall give unto him the throne of his father David And he shall reign over the house of Jacob forever ; and of his kingdom there shall be no end . ;... And the child grew , and waxed strong in spirit . and was in the deserts till the day of his showing unto Israel ;... And the child grew , and waxed strong in spirit filled with wisdom and the grace of Godwas upon him ;... And Jesus increased in wisdom And stature and in favor with God and man .
Revelation 1 ; 1 <> The Revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave unto him , to , show unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass ; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John ; <> OverStanding Of This Verse <> The Revelation of the Messiah Yashu'a . Isa , Jesus , which Theos who is his Heavenly Father Know As Allah to the Muslims , Yahweh to the Hebrews , Dammuzi to the Sumerians , and God to the Christians , Osiris to the Egyptians , gave to him , in order for him to teach his servants , the followers of the Messiah Yashua , Isa , Jesus , Who to the Sumerians is < Tammuz = Ezekiel 8 ; 14 Son of Ishtar and Dammuzi > Horus , son of Osiris and Isis to the Egyptian , Isa Ibn Jibraiyl andMary to the Arab , and Yashua Bar Yowef and Miriam to the Hebrew , Khrishna son of Vishnu and Devaky to the Hindus , and Lord son of Mary and the Holy Ghost to the Christian About that which must happen very quickly , and to record and send it by way of my prophet , the newbearer John'sson of Zebedee and Salome , hands through Malachi Zodoq , Melchisedek , the Sun of Righteousness also called Murdoq , his Messenger for his servant the newbearer John , son of Zebedee and Salome
This book was given to Yowkhanan , Yuhanna , John son of Zebedee by an angel but it's Yashua , Isa , Jesus ' own book Revelation 1 ; 1 ;... For his servant Yowkhanan , Yuhanna , John son of Zebedee in the year 96 A.D. to show . This is the only book in The Holy Bible attributed to Yashu'a Ha Mashiakh , Isa Al Masih Jesus The Messiah . The remaining twenty - six books are listed below ;
Twenty - seven man - made books of the Second Testament
St. Matthew 41 A.D.... St, Mark 65 .A.D... St. Luke 58 A.D...St . John 98 A.D...The Acts 61 A.D... Epistle To Romans 56 A.D.... 1Corinthians 55 A.D... 2Cornthians 55 A.D... Galatians 52 A.D. Ephesians 61 A.D. Philippians 61 A.D...Colossians 61 A.D... 1Thesslonians 50 A.D... 2Thessalonians 51 A.D... 1Timothy 64 A.D.... 2Timothy 65 A.D... Titus 64 A.D... Philemon 61 A.D... Epistle 61 A.D... Epistle of James 62 A.D...1Peter 64 A.D... 1Peter 64 A.D... 1John 98A.D... 2John 98 A.D... 3John 98 A.D...Jude 65 A.D.... Revelation 96 A.D.... Of the 27 mam made books , only 4 of these books are considered - The Major Gospels . Matthew written by Matthew 41 A.D....Mark written by Mark 65 A.D..... Luke written by Luke 58 A.D.... John written by John 98 A.D.... These four men are supposed to hold the true accounts of the life and mission of Yashu's Isa , Jesus . HowEver only two of the four are true disciple Matthew 10 ; 1 - 6 <> And when he had called unto him his twelve disciple he gave them power against unclean spirits . to cast them out , and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease . Now the names of the twelve apostles are these ; The first , Simon , who is called Peter , and Andrew his brother ; James the son of Zebedee , and John his brother ; Philip and Bartholomew ; Thomas , and Matthew the publican James the son of Alphaeus , and Lebbaeus whose surname was Thaddaeus ; Simon the Canaanite , and Judas ' Iscariot , who also betrayed him . These twelve Jesus sent forth and commanded them saying Go Not Into The Way Of The Gentiles And Into Any City Of The Samaritans Enter Ye Not But Go Rather To The Lost Sheep Of The House Of Israel . ;....
Matthan , Mattay , Matthew , was a tax collector who authored The Book Of Matthew in 41 A.D. and Yowkhanan , Yuhanna , John ( Zebedee ) was a fisherman who authored The Book of John in 98 A.D.. John 's 3 letters .. 1st John 98 A.D.... 2ndJohn 98 A.D... 3rd John 98 A.D. and Revelation 96 A.D. The remaining two authors of the Gospels are Yowkhanan , Markos, John - Mark who was aproperty owner and was the nephew of Barne - bee ' . Barnaabaa , Barnabas Yowkhanan , Markos , John - Mark travelled with Barne - bee Barnaabaa , Barnabas and Saul . Shaool . Paul . in the year 45 A.D. when they went on their first missionary journey , And Lud , Luqa , Luke who was a physician who authored The Book of Luke in 58 A,D, <> Matthew , Mattay , Matthew ( 3 B.C. 64 A.D. ) A Disciple of Yashua , Isa , Jesus
Ques ; Who Was Matthew ?
Ans ; Matthan , Mattay . Matthew Son Kheehlef and Mayrawb was the older son of two boys and four girls . of the disciples . Matthan , Mattay , Matthew was the 8th disciple to be called Matthew 10 ; 1 - 3 <> And when he had called unto him his twelve disciples he gave them power against unclean spirits to cast them out and to heal all manner of sickness and all manner of disease ;.. Now the name of the twelve apostles are these ; The first Simon , who is called Peter , and Andrew hid brother ; James the son Zebedee , and John His Brother ;... Philip and Bartholomew ; Thomas And Matthew the publican James the son of Alphaeus , and Lebbaeus whose suname was Thaddacus . ;...
Matthan , Mattay , Matthew was called the publivan in Matthew 10 ; 3 ... The publicans were people who formed the Roman raxes and they were usually , in later times . Roman knights , and and persons of wealth and credit . as a publican , one would have to be an expert in languages , especially Syiac '' Arabic '' Galilean and Aramic ( Hebrew ) and some Roman Latin '' and Yavan '' Greek '' in order to communicate with the farmers and others froms whom taxes were collected . Yet with all of this knowledge , when Yashua , Isa , Jesus called Matthan Mattay . Matthew , he heeded the call quit his job , and followed the master Matthew 9 ; 9 <> And as Jesus passed forth from thence , he saw a man , named Matthew sitting at the receip of custom and he saith unto him Follow me . and he arose and followed him ;...
As an Israelite religious believer of the tribe of Judah , he left his occupation as tax collector in order to become a disciples of Yashu'a , Isa , Jesus Matthew 9 ; 9 - 10 <> And as Jesus passed forth from thence , he saw a man , named Matthew sitting at the receip of custom and he saith unto him Follow me . and he arose and followed him , And it came to pass , as Jesus sat at meat in the house , behold many publicans and sinner came and sat down with him and his disciple
Ques ; Who Was John Mark ?
Ans ; Yowkhanan , Markos , John - Mark son of ,Levi ( 14 B.C. - 60 A.D. ) and Mary ( 1 B.C. - 63 A.D. ) was aself - proclaimed disciple of Yashu's , Isa , Jesus , and a cousin of Barne - Bee ' Barnaabaa , Barnabas ( Colossians 4 ; 10 <> Aristarchus my fellow prisoner saluteth you , and Marcus , sister's son to Barnabas ( touching whom ye received commandments ; if he come unto you reveive him ) ;..
Who was a Levite . Yowkhanan Markos , John - Mark was not considered as one of the twelve disciple of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , He became an evangelist and traveled with Barne - bee , Barnaabaa , Barnabas and Saul Shaool , Paul . as they did their ministerial jobs . Mark Accompanied Saul . Shaool . Paul . and Barne - bee . Barnaabaa , Barnabas as their minister or their first missionary journey . Yowkhanan . Markos . John - Mark served as a deacon and a servant to Saul . Shaool . Paul . He translated Saul , Shaool . Paul's . sermons into Greek so that the Goyim or Akum , which means heathen or Gentile , could understand and he attened to Saul , Shaool . Paul's needs Yowkhhanan , Markos , John - Mark Did Not Continue with Saul Shaool , Paul on his journey . Saul . Shaool . Paul was going further into Pisidian Antioch , and planned on working with the Gentiles . Yowkhanan , Markos , John - Mark did not agree with this change of plan and decided not to continue following Saul , Shaool , Paul in his missionary journey .
Ques ; Who was Luke ?
Ans ; He was the evangelist son of Abda and Hodesh , and the writer of the third Gospel and Acts of the Apostles . He was born in Antioch in Syria in 4B.C , Lud , Luqa , Luke wa a Greek / Gentile , but of the seed of Asshur Genesis 10 ; 21 <>Unto Shem also , the father of all the children of Eber , the brother of Japheth the elder , even to him were children born ;..
So you see . neither Yowkhanan , Markos . John - Mark Nor Lud . Luqa , Luke were disciples of Yashua , Isa , Jesus , They were both companions of Saul . Shaool . Paul . They , like Saul , Shaool , Paul never met Yashua . Isa . Jesus , Their Writing were only based on HearSay And were not Divinely Inspired . That's why their books are not the same as John's book . But the 3 ; Matthew , Mark and Luke are much more alike . For agreement LQQk at ...Matthew 9 ; 2 - 8 <>Mark 2 ; 3 - 12 <> Luke 5 ; 18 - 26 <> Then look at Matthew 10 ; 22 <> Mark 13 ; 13 <>Luke 21 ; 17 <>
So Christian base their whole like on men who didn't even knowYashua , Isa , Jesus 96% Mark's book came from the Book of Matthew .
The Book Of Yashu'a Is The Book Of Revelation The Evangel Or Al Injiyl ?
Hanna2222
March 11th 2004, 09:34 PM
If you look, you can see that the noun is revelation, singular, not revelations, plural. This comes from the Greek word Apokalupsis, and means an unveiling or uncovering. Its used in scriptures as a manifestion in Romans 8:19. a coming in 1 Corinthians 1:7, a revealing in 2 Thessalonions 1:7 and an appearing in 1 Peter 1:7 , i just noticed that it appears in the first chapter, 7th verse in three books :)
Revelations conserns the unveiling or appearing of our Savior Jesus Christ,Its a message of the appearing of Jesus. This appears to take place at the rapture (chapter 4 verse1) as well as the hour of his return to earth when every eye shall see Him.Verse 7 will tell you more on this. Secondly we do see that everything was given to Jesus, as is everything, for Jesus said, All things are delivered unto me of my Father, Matthew 11:27They are presented to him to shew unto his servents things which must shortly come to pass. The term shortly in the original means "rapidity of action once there is a beginning". This certiantly pictures the present hour when signs point to his return are beginning to appear with alarming frequency. These truths, then,are sent and signified by Christs angel unto John, the writter of the book, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Notice that the first four letters of the word signified spell SIGN. Why? The Book of revealtions is a study of signs. There is the sign of the Holy Spirit presented as seven spirits, verse 4 and the sign of the seven golden candlesticks in verse 20, Thus, through signs, we can come to this glorious revealed portion of scripture.
kofh2u
March 21st 2004, 11:40 PM
I was reading Revelation 1:1 just now and I noticed something that I hadn't before:
Revelation 1:1-2
The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
I've never noticed the complexity of the revelation's route to John: It was given to Jesus by the father (Matt. 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."), then Jesus gave it to the angel, who in turn gave it to John, who in turn gave it to all of us.
I suppose I'm just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this verse, and if I am right in comparing it to Matt. 24:36
I have my own thoughts concerning these first opening verses. I will be brief here, but, the Freudian Bible Translation I quote below often shocks people with the seemingly untraditional perspective it offers.
It is consistent and persistent in translating the scriptures as a spiritual document, by which the editors mean scripture concerns human mental phenomena.
Essentially, beginning with the mystery of Genesis 1, where the creator is called a plural term, Elohim, the Freudian Bible acknowledges this concept to mean "the Universal Power" with the attendent "spirit of God" being the Natural Laws.
Following this first axiom, man is made with the mental facility to image within his mind that Absolute Power, Elohim, external to itself. The Macrocosmos external to the mind is duplicated mentally, creating a miniture micricosmos within by means of abstract thought, to include mathematical models.
What is to follow after Rev 1,2, in symbolic analogy, is a Freudian parallel. The book locked with seal mystery seals tells us of the sevenfold nature of the mind, the seven angels are the seven Freudian Archetypes of our soul, or the "stars" of man's psyche'.
Rev. 1:1 The revelation of Jesus Christ, an insight, which God, the Universal Reality, whom he images in the abstraction of his mind, gave him to show to his servants, the Christians, what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel, the Holy Spirit of Human Conscience, to his servant John,
Rev. 1:2 Who bore witness to certain "keys" to the word of God, a pattern to the Old Testament's literary organization, and to the testimony of Jesus Christ concerning the Human Psyche, and of all things that he had come to understand.
Saintopher
May 18th 2004, 06:01 PM
The book of Revelation has been, and continues to be one of the most difficult books to read in all of the Orthodox Catholic/Protestant Bible.
I would like to find a thread where this issue can be observed, studied, and debated...but I have come to the conclusion that perhaps it is a book that should have been left out of the canon of Scripture. It is interesting to note that, first of all, it almost didn't make it. Another writing, though, that almost did make it was called Shepherd of Hermas. If you think Revelation is tough to understand and swallow, you should try reading SoH. (can be found by visiting www.earlychristianwritings.com (http://www.earlychristianwritings.com))
I would conclude that when John (if he really did write this) wrote the piece, that either a) the audience knew exactly what he was talking about, b) they saw it as a metaphorical, symbolic and "encrypted" message about the coming destruction of Jerusalem and the fall of Nero, c) they didn't have a clue what it meant.
Many scholars still feel as thought it should not have been included into our bible. Martin Luther also had his questions about the book of James.
The thing that I find most troubling about the book is that it has caused more contraversy and division of interpretation than any other book of Scripture.
One interesting thing about the book is that it continually uses the agency of angels to communicate things to the Apostle. The book of Hebrews states pretty explicitly that in these last days, God has spoken to us by his Son. So why are angels still being used in this revelation?
It is also the only book in the Bible that states that by either adding or taking away from it's words (specifically the book itself- as opposed to the Law of God as stated in Deuteronomy) will cause a curse to come apon the reader.
Sounds kind of Gnostic to me.
barryrob
August 26th 2004, 10:56 AM
I was reading Revelation 1:1 just now and I noticed something that I hadn't before:
Revelation 1:1-2
The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave him to show to his servants what must soon take place; and he made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw.
I've never noticed the complexity of the revelation's route to John: It was given to Jesus by the father (Matt. 24:36 "But of that day and hour no one knows not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father only."), then Jesus gave it to the angel, who in turn gave it to John, who in turn gave it to all of us.
I suppose I'm just wondering what other people's thoughts are on this verse, and if I am right in comparing it to Matt. 24:36
*** re chap. 3 pp. 15-16 Things That Must Shortly Take Place ***
Chapter 3
Things That Must Shortly Take Place
YOU should be deeply concerned about world events today. Why so? Because this world cannot escape God’s execution of judgment. But you can escape. You can do this by making yourself "no part of the world" that is doomed to destruction. This does not mean adopting an austere, monastic way of life. It means that while enjoying a wholesome, meaningful life, you separate yourself from political corruption, from greedy commercialism, and from God-dishonoring religion, as well as from violent and immoral behavior. At the same time, you must follow God’s high standards of conduct and seek to do his will. (John 17:14-16; Zephaniah 2:2, 3; Revelation 21:8) The Bible book of Revelation shows how important it is for you to apply yourself in these respects, making changes as necessary in your way of life.
2 The apostle John introduces this grand prophecy with the words: "A revelation by Jesus Christ, which God gave him, to show his slaves the things that must shortly take place." (Revelation 1:1a) So it was the resurrected Jesus Christ who received this weighty message from God. Far from being part of a mystic Trinity, Jesus is here shown to be subject to his Father. In the same way, the "slaves" making up the Christian congregation are subject to Jesus Christ, so that they ‘keep following him wherever he goes.’ (Revelation 14:4; Ephesians 5:24) But who today are truly "slaves" of God, and how does Revelation benefit them?
3 The apostle John, who wrote down Revelation, describes himself as such a slave. He was the last surviving apostle and one of the select spirit-anointed group of "slaves" that inherit immortal life in the heavens. Today, there are just a few thousand of these remaining on earth. God has other servants, too, a great crowd of them, men, women, and children, numbering now into the millions. Under angelic direction, these are sharing with the anointed "slaves" in declaring everlasting good news to all mankind. Oh, how all these "slaves" are expending themselves in order to help the meek ones of the earth to find salvation! (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 7:9, 14; 14:6) Revelation indicates what you must do to benefit from the happifying good news.
4 How could John say, though, that these "slaves" would be shown "things that must shortly take place"? Were not those words spoken almost 1,900 years ago? From the viewpoint of Jehovah, in whose eyes a thousand years are but "as yesterday," 1,900 years is a short time when compared with the aeons of time that he spent in creating and preparing the earth for human habitation. (Psalm 90:4) The apostle Paul wrote of his own "eager expectation and hope," for no doubt the reality of his reward seemed close at hand to him. (Philippians 1:20) Today, however, the evidence abounds that all the things foretold will take place on schedule. Never before in history has the very survival of mankind been at stake. Only God has the solution!—Isaiah 45:21.
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