Coerced/enticed into Islam

[Debp]

I have read about young (nominal) Christian girls being coerced or enticed into Islam. And, more recently, I heard this report from Christian Aid: Between 12,000 and 15,000 Christian girls annually are becoming Muslims this way in Egypt.

Christian Aid told the story of one girl....13 years old, living in a 2 room house with 9 siblings. When a man old enough to be her father started visiting her and complimenting her, she consented to marry him. He promised to take her away from the crowded little house....instead she became his 4th wife and she was confined to a room. He only visited her in the room for sexual relations. She became a mother at 14 years old and had to raise his children by herself. The man was paid a monetary reward by his friends in Saudi Arabia for "converting" a Christian girl. I have read elsewhere about some Muslim men who are paid to deliberately "convert" Christian girls, some marrying several girls each.

Christian Aid helps some native missions that take in these girls. They give them love, counseling and vocational training, so that they can escape the abuse.

[Pilgrim]

I have read about young (nominal) Christian girls being coerced or enticed into Islam. And, more recently, I heard this report from Christian Aid: Between 12,000 and 15,000 Christian girls annually are becoming Muslims this way in Egypt.

Christian Aid told the story of one girl....13 years old, living in a 2 room house with 9 siblings. When a man old enough to be her father started visiting her and complimenting her, she consented to marry him. He promised to take her away from the crowded little house....instead she became his 4th wife and she was confined to a room. He only visited her in the room for sexual relations. She became a mother at 14 years old and had to raise his children by herself. The man was paid a monetary reward by his friends in Saudi Arabia for "converting" a Christian girl. I have read elsewhere about some Muslim men who are paid to deliberately "convert" Christian girls, some marrying several girls each.

Christian Aid helps some native missions that take in these girls. They give them love, counseling and vocational training, so that they can escape the abuse.
Sounds more like urban myth and an appeal to emotion more than anything else. It does call to mind allegatinos made against Mother Theresa sometime back that she would secretly baptize patients as they lay in a fever and call it a conversion.

[Debp]

Sounds more like urban myth and an appeal to emotion more than anything else. It does call to mind allegatinos made against Mother Theresa sometime back that she would secretly baptize patients as they lay in a fever and call it a conversion.
This is no "urban myth". This is the awful truth and many Christians are not aware of what is happening!!

Please contact www.christianaid.org for verification that these coerced conversions, and worse, are truly happening!! Christian Aid is an accredited Christian mission. It was founded by a missionary about 54 years ago when he saw that native missionaries could reach their own people better and much more reasonably.

At another website (can't remember which one), I read the testimony of a former Muslim. He and his father enticed many "Christian" girls into marriage and were paid a reward for doing this!! After marriage, the girls were abused terribly. This man is now a Christian, and he and his wife seek to help the girls he tricked into an Islamic marriage.

See www.persecution.com They recently had a story of an Egyptian Christian girl who was kidnapped, drugged and threatened with rape to get her to convert to Islam. Thank God, she managed to escape after being held for 3 days. But she could not file a police report about the kidnapping....as the police said she would then never see her family again!!

Christians....please wake up and realize that these native missionaries in Muslim countries need our help!! I am helping some of them through Christian Aid. I pray others will, too. :pray:

[nopaniers]

When I was in Egypt I was surprised to find a Christian guy running one of the stores. It is true that when you marry a muslim you are supposed to convert. IMHO it is a strange way to convert because believing a religion requires belief. In Islam's case, it requires acknowledging that Mohammed is Alah's messenger.

[Debp]

When I was in Egypt I was surprised to find a Christian guy running one of the stores. It is true that when you marry a muslim you are supposed to convert. IMHO it is a strange way to convert because believing a religion requires belief. In Islam's case, it requires acknowledging that Mohammed is Alah's messenger.

Thanks for your input about this. It is sad that Muslims are so indoctrinated not to depart from Islam. I've heard many stories of converts to Christ being murdered, tortured or threatened to try to get them to return to Islam. We really need to pray for these people.

[heisonly1]

As a Muslim, I am absolutely shocked to hear about these awful cases about 'Muslims' enticing 'converts for cash' regarding young Christian women being duped into embrace Islam through deceit.

May God Almigthy give them what they truly deserve for their wickedness.

It reminds me of the perverted and disgusting stories told by X Christians that embraced Islam about how Christian missionaries deceptively enticed young muslim children, particulary young boys in war torn and third world countries with medicine and food, as a means to allure naive children to a place of 'security' where they were brainwashed to acccept 'Christianity'. After weeks of providing food clothing and medicine to Children, Some of the tactics used by Christian missionaries to entice naive muslim children to convert was by offering a choice between either to 'embrace Christ' and receive more medicine attention and food or to be released back in their slums and gettos. Those that accepted to embrace 'Jesus as saviour' later were subject to sexual abuse and molestation by Christian missionary pedophiles. A young friend, a male (X Christian) Muslim convert to Islam from Africa shared his horrific experiences during a lecture, where he gave shocking details on how he and many other children were filmed on many occasions by 'Christian' missionaries whilst performing sexual favours with men for medicine and food during his enslavement for 3months in a housing facility. By the grace of God he escaped with the aid of a Christian worker and lived.

It's a shame that deluded people that associate themselves with a religion would deceptively entice people to convert for worldy gain or pleasure.

May God Almighty protect our Children from wickness, deceit and misguidance.

Peace2all

[Debp]

Heisonly, I hope that you realize that true Christians would not dupe children and would not engage in sexual activities with children!! As I Christian I believe in helping everyone, no matter what your religious belief is. Also, for a true Christian, sex with a child is an awful perversion and a sin against God. I do not know what kind of "Christians" your friend was duped by....perhaps it was a cult or perhaps the people doing this to the children were not Christians at all....perhaps they were only employed at the facility. They certainly should have been checked out.

As a Protestant Christian, our pastors or ministers are allowed to marry, and they work in foreign fields alongside of their wives. The true love of God in their hearts would not allow them to do such despicable acts.

God bless and keep all children safe from harm.

[Pilgrim]

As a Muslim, I am absolutely shocked to hear about these awful cases about 'Muslims' enticing 'converts for cash' regarding young Christian women being duped into embrace Islam through deceit.

May God Almigthy give them what they truly deserve for their wickedness.

It reminds me of the perverted and disgusting stories told by X Christians that embraced Islam about how Christian missionaries deceptively enticed young muslim children, particulary young boys in war torn and third world countries with medicine and food, as a means to allure naive children to a place of 'security' where they were brainwashed to acccept 'Christianity'. After weeks of providing food clothing and medicine to Children, Some of the tactics used by Christian missionaries to entice naive muslim children to convert was by offering a choice between either to 'embrace Christ' and receive more medicine attention and food or to be released back in their slums and gettos. Those that accepted to embrace 'Jesus as saviour' later were subject to sexual abuse and molestation by Christian missionary pedophiles. A young friend, a male (X Christian) Muslim convert to Islam from Africa shared his horrific experiences during a lecture, where he gave shocking details on how he and many other children were filmed on many occasions by 'Christian' missionaries whilst performing sexual favours with men for medicine and food during his enslavement for 3months in a housing facility. By the grace of God he escaped with the aid of a Christian worker and lived.

It's a shame that deluded people that associate themselves with a religion would deceptively entice people to convert for worldy gain or pleasure.

May God Almighty protect our Children from wickness, deceit and misguidance.

Peace2all

I don't actually believe these stories you're tossing around. I think they are made up stories passed on to stir up angst and further a particular agenda. I'll need more than your "my best friends x Christian's sister's brother's" said so scenario.

[barnasha]

Thanks for your input about this. It is sad that Muslims are so indoctrinated not to depart from Islam. I've heard many stories of converts to Christ being murdered, tortured or threatened to try to get them to return to Islam. We really need to pray for these people.

if you take the term islam in a purely philosophical sense, (e.g. as it is used in the Quran), christians and religious jews are also taught to never depart from Islam - which is to say to never depart from a state of non-sin.

islam is not a political faction but a spiritual concept of not sinning - being in submission to the will of God... if God says 'do not eat from this tree", and you do, then you are no longer in islam, in the purely etymological sense of the word

[Debp]

I understand that "Islam" means submission......and as a Christian I also believe in following God's will. But the difference is, that if a person departs from Christianity, no one will threaten him or her or kill them as a result of their departure from the faith.

Just one example out of many.....A former Muslim who became a pastor was ambushed and shot 19 times by Islamic extremists. His daughter was also shot. His wife and other children are in hiding as their lives have been threatened....

[barnasha]

I understand that "Islam" means submission......and as a Christian I also believe in following God's will. But the difference is, that if a person departs from Christianity, no one will threaten him or her or kill them as a result of their departure from the faith.

Just one example out of many.....A former Muslim who became a pastor was ambushed and shot 19 times by Islamic extremists. His daughter was also shot. His wife and other children are in hiding as their lives have been threatened....

And you think those people are practicing what is taught in the Quran, or by the prophet Muhammad? If you think they represent Islam, then you are like them, they relate obeying the will of God to crimes and brutality. why take their side?

If you read Deuteronomy ch XIII, it also says people who worship other gods should be killed - that you yourself should kill them!

but that is not what Christianity is about, anymore than Islam.

Just because some people claim to be muslim does not mean they represent Islam, any more than the criminals of the Christian church represented the teachings of Paul or Jesus

[Debp]

I am not here to debate Islam or Christianity. Just saying what is going on......I have Muslim friends, btw.

Oh, Christians are not under Old Testament law......

[barnasha]

I am not here to debate Islam or Christianity. Just saying what is going on......I have Muslim friends, btw.

Oh, Christians are not under Old Testament law......

Christians (unless you consider the early folowers of Jesus ad his disciples and proponents, who were devout religious jews, as Christians) are not by default under any law (torah, nomos), the jews were.

Except Christians accept the torah... so there is a kind of weird paradox by rejecting "the law", and it is a bit of an oversimplification of what Paul was saying, perhaps.

Paul was a practicing religious Jew.

Old Testament is a Christian term meaning old covenant, it is a name relative to latter day Christian beliefs.

[bigsplit]

The simple truth of the matter is there are nut jobs in all religions. Jim Jones, Osama and others are lunatics who do think it is OK to kill for God. Unfortunately, these nut jobs reflect poorly on the faiths they profess.

What is amazing is that some here call others liars because they do not want to believe that people representing their faith are abomination to any notion of God. The world can only become a better place when we seek to understand the faith of others and celebrate the different relationships God has established with his different Children. We act as a bunch of jealous children who want the father all to ourselves and claim that he loves us best and what he taught us is the right way.

God is a father of many children. One may be more timed, the other too ambitious. Although he will teach the same values to each, he will use different stories and tales to teach each appropriately. The one thing that must bother him the most is that his children insist on selfishness and chastise one another, some to the point of murder. When will we learn from Cain and Able....jealousy is the root of our religious bigotry on all sides of the debate of the God of Abraham.

Sad, sad and sad

[Debp]

I hope you did not mistake someone else's post for mine.....I know it's sometimes hard to see who wrote what.

I love all people because Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Jesus also taught us to do unto others as we would have others do unto us. He also said He is the Savior sent for all of us.....although some do not realize that yet.

My purpose in writing this topic was to inform Christians as to what is happening to our brothers and sisters in countries where they are persecuted for their Christian faith.

I am praying that Christians here will pray for and possibly help financially, our persecuted brothers and sisters.

There are organizations that can send money to them such as Christian Aid and Gospel for Asia....they seek to help native missions where Christians are killed or persecuted for their faith in Christ.

[Pilgrim]

I hope you did not mistake someone else's post for mine.....I know it's sometimes hard to see who wrote what. I love all people because Jesus taught us to love our neighbor as ourselves. Sort of condescending isn't it? As if the only reason to love someone is because God told you you had to? How about loving them simply because as God's creation they are worthy of your love?

I've read your assertions about what you've read is going on in other places and yet I have seen no proof that this is anything other than propaganda. Sort of like how Darwin's death bed conversion turned out to be a fabrication by Christian pastors trying to come up with a good hook.

[Debp]

Sort of condescending isn't it? As if the only reason to love someone is because God told you you had to? How about loving them simply because as God's creation they are worthy of your love?

I've read your assertions about what you've read is going on in other places and yet I have seen no proof that this is anything other than propaganda. Sort of like how Darwin's death bed conversion turned out to be a fabrication by Christian pastors trying to come up with a good hook.
I see no need to argue with you.....I love you in Christ. I'm sorry you do not believe the reports of native missionaries that minister in Muslim countries and surely need our prayers and help.

Also, as my mother is very ill as is my dear Muslim friend (a young mother) I hope you will pray for us all.

[Christian2]

There are many reports of Christians being persecuted for being Christians and reports of Muslims who have converted to Christianity or left Islam being persecuted.

The following article documents a lot of it:

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.domini.org%2Fopenbook%2Fhome.htm&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D3dcd9550edb237d8%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.domini.org%252Fopenbook%252Fhome.htm%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F www.domini.org%252Fopenbook%252Fhome.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPResultsT%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.domini.org%2Fopenbook%2Fhome.htm

Google Forced conversions Islam

and see what you get.

[Debp]

There are many reports of Christians being persecuted for being Christians and reports of Muslims who have converted to Christianity or left Islam being persecuted.

The following article documents a lot of it:

http://search.netscape.com/ns/boomframe.jsp?query=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.domini.org%2Fopenbook%2Fhome.htm&page=1&offset=0&result_url=redir%3Fsrc%3Dwebsearch%26requestId%3D3dcd9550edb237d8%26clickedItemRank%3D1%26userQuery%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.domini.org%252Fopenbook%252Fhome.htm%26clickedItemURN%3Dhttp%253A%252F%252F www.domini.org%252Fopenbook%252Fhome.htm%26invocationType%3D-%26fromPage%3DNSCPResultsT%26amp%3BampTest%3D1&remove_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.domini.org%2Fopenbook%2Fhome.htm

Google Forced conversions Islam

and see what you get.


Thanks, Christian2, very much for the link and your suggestion that "Pilgrim" google forced conversions in Islam.

Pilgrim, since you are a pastor, you might talk with the head of Christian Aid in VA, and learn what is happening firsthand. I'm sure you could visit some of the countries and see the conditions for yourself.

I'm praying that more pastors and Christians become aware of the plight of native pastors/missionaries and other Christians in Muslim countries. Christians in many of those countries are denied jobs because of their faith.....also in the villages, Christians are denied access to the village wells. (At an Islamic forum, a Muslim told me that this is because Christians are considered unclean.) (With the help of Christian Aid, wells are bored for the Christians....and the Christians let all people use their wells. CA also helps Christians to become self employed.)

[Debp]

England (Mission Network News/CP) -- An estimated 250 million Christians worldwide will face persecution in 2007, simply for following Jesus Christ, according to persecution watchdog Release International. The U.K.-based group finds that persecution is growing the fastest in the Muslim world. Release says most persecution takes place in Islam, Communism, Hinduism and Buddhism.

According to the Christian Post, Governments in even moderate Muslim countries often fail to safeguard the rights of their Christian minorities. Abuses suffered by Christians include kidnapping, forced conversion, imprisonment, church destruction, torture, rape and execution.

One of the world’s worst abusers of religious freedom is Saudi Arabia, ranked number two on Open Doors World Watch List of country allowing persecution. Saudi Arabia forbids all other religions. A Muslim found “guilty” of converting to Christianity could face the death sentence for apostasy. And anyone who leads a Muslim to Christ faces jail, expulsion or execution.

"There’s a conspiracy of silence around Saudi," says Release International’s CEO Andy Dipper, "probably because the West wants their oil and their money. But this is a government that hands out the death sentence for its own citizens who want nothing more than the freedom to choose their own faith. And while Saudi bans all Christian literature, it spends billions of dollars each year propagating Islam around the world."

Dipper says, "A rising number of extremists interpret the call to jihad as a call to violence. They seem to regard it as their religious duty to force Christians and non-Muslims to convert to Islam. Those who refuse must be driven out or killed."

There's also a growing movement to impose Islamic Sharia law, which results in increased pressure on Christians. In Nigeria, militants have driven Christians from their homes to remove political opposition and pave the way for Sharia law.

"Despite the spectacular collapse of communism in Europe, persecution of Christians continues in China, Cuba, Laos and Vietnam, while the dubious accolade of the world’s worst persecutor of Christians goes to North Korea," says Dipper.

You can also expect to see persecution against Christians in India, Nepal, China, Bhutan, Burma, and Sri Lanka.

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[Debp]

Here is the link to the complete article for those who wish to read it. The paragraph about the persecution in Saudi Arabia is quite interesting.....as is the attempt to establish Sharia law in other areas of the world.

http://www.mnnonline.org/article/9454

[Debp]

Here is another article about children in Nigeria being kidnapped and forced to convert to Islam.

http://www.mnnonline.org/article/9704