A Little Help on an Unnatural figure

[Malista_Dove]

I want to know everyone's thought about this. Even if this seems silly..I really want opinions.

My fiance says that he keeps seeing a dark figure stalking around his home. When he shines a light..it disappears. Sometimes when his dog is in the house he gets in front of my fiance and begins to protect him from an invisible being. He barks and snaps at the air and will not let my fiance pass.
Someone of someone let my ferret outside. It isn't possible because no one was home and there were no holes to be found anywhere in the house.
Last night my fiance walked into the house and all the TVs were on. The closet doors slid open and dining room chairs were everywhere in his house. No one had been in his house because his doors were locked. Yet all of these things happened.

Jose ( my fiance) believes that he was cursed. He says that when he was in Iraq he was forced to shoot a man's son. He said that the man cursed at him and swore that his god of revenge would get him. I'm not sure if I believe that the Iraqi man is the cause of this, but what could it be???

[Malista_Dove]

I am really hoping to get some response from this. I want to know what is going on with my fiance and his home. It is like this thing is testing us.

I just remembered that the other day...I seen Jose take his medicine, but when I looked in the trash (that was empty) his medicine appeared in it.

If anyone has any ideas at all...feel free to leave them.
I will be checkin this thread...to see what others are saying about this situation.

[Malista_Dove]

The other night I was laying on Jose's bed. He got up to go use the restroom. I closed my eyes and then felt someone crawling on the bed. I opened my eyes and no one was there. All of a sudden I got really dizzy and tingly. I tried to move my legs but they would not budge. I could not breathe very well. I then tried to yell for Jose. All that came out, was a tiny whisper...

Please someone leave a little something...Advice or something....I need some opinions... :eek:

[Dave G]

The other night I was laying on Jose's bed. He got up to go use the restroom. I closed my eyes and then felt someone crawling on the bed. I opened my eyes and no one was there. All of a sudden I got really dizzy and tingly. I tried to move my legs but they would not budge. I could not breathe very well. I then tried to yell for Jose. All that came out, was a tiny whisper...

Please someone leave a little something...Advice or something....I need some opinions... :eek:

Hi Dove,

I don't think I'd be too out of line to tell what some would consider a conservative Christian standpoint.
Demons in scripture harass and control people, even Christians some say.
You could go to a pastor or priest and have them pray for you, but the most effective solution is to become a Christian and take charge of your home. If you would like, I can look up the scripture that says Christians have control over the demons in life.
I'm not sure if you have considered mental trauma or disease though.
I myself am a schizophrenic bipolar, and I have to take medicines to keep me from seeing and hearing things that aren't there. It's possible even with the medication you found in the trash was put there by someone in the family with memory problems.
God bless,
Dave

[JusticeMachine]

I want to know everyone's thought about this. Even if this seems silly..I really want opinions.

My fiance says that he keeps seeing a dark figure stalking around his home.


Damn, caught again. I must be the worst stalker ever!!!! :eek:

Just joking.

[Malista_Dove]

Hi Dove,

I don't think I'd be too out of line to tell what some would consider a conservative Christian standpoint.
Demons in scripture harass and control people, even Christians some say.
You could go to a pastor or priest and have them pray for you, but the most effective solution is to become a Christian and take charge of your home. If you would like, I can look up the scripture that says Christians have control over the demons in life.
I'm not sure if you have considered mental trauma or disease though.
I myself am a schizophrenic bipolar, and I have to take medicines to keep me from seeing and hearing things that aren't there. It's possible even with the medication you found in the trash was put there by someone in the family with memory problems.
God bless,
Dave

Well, it is Jose's house. Him and his parents are Catholic. His parents stay over there alot (which quite annoys me). They are very Catholic. I am really trying to find a way to bless the house. It isn't just me. It is Jose that has experienced things also.

[Durthorin]

I want to know everyone's thought about this. Even if this seems silly..I really want opinions.

My fiance says that he keeps seeing a dark figure stalking around his home. When he shines a light..it disappears. Sometimes when his dog is in the house he gets in front of my fiance and begins to protect him from an invisible being. He barks and snaps at the air and will not let my fiance pass.
Someone of someone let my ferret outside. It isn't possible because no one was home and there were no holes to be found anywhere in the house.
Last night my fiance walked into the house and all the TVs were on. The closet doors slid open and dining room chairs were everywhere in his house. No one had been in his house because his doors were locked. Yet all of these things happened.

Jose ( my fiance) believes that he was cursed. He says that when he was in Iraq he was forced to shoot a man's son. He said that the man cursed at him and swore that his god of revenge would get him. I'm not sure if I believe that the Iraqi man is the cause of this, but what could it be???

Cleanse the house, seal and ward the doors..

[YoungOne]

Personally, I believe it is demons you are experiancing. There are such things as curses. They are seen through the Bible and affect believers and no believers alike. Since you have been experimenting with Wicca you have open yourself up to a very real spiritual world. It will affect you some very negative ways. People are right in saying you have to get rid of it by this can only been down with taking power in the name and blood of Jesus. You have to believe he's the only who take true power of these spirits.

[Malista_Dove]

Personally, I believe it is demons you are experiancing. There are such things as curses. They are seen through the Bible and affect believers and no believers alike. Since you have been experimenting with Wicca you have open yourself up to a very real spiritual world. It will affect you some very negative ways. People are right in saying you have to get rid of it by this can only been down with taking power in the name and blood of Jesus. You have to believe he's the only who take true power of these spirits.


Um. It is not following me. it is following Jose. It only effects me when I am with him or around his home. It is not because I am Wiccan. If anything I do not mess around with "dark" energies or anything of the such. Jose is a Catholic man... who is not Wiccan. So...yeah...

[Malista_Dove]

Cleanse the house, seal and ward the doors..


Thanks. I'm trying to find someone around my area who can teach me and help me understand and know how to cleanse the house and seal it off from negative energies. Since I have not really dealt with really negative energies like this before, I have not looked too much into this. I am now though. I have tried to gather a few books and find people who may can help me.... any suggestions?

[YoungOne]

Thanks. I'm trying to find someone around my area who can teach me and help me understand and know how to cleanse the house and seal it off from negative energies. Since I have not really dealt with really negative energies like this before, I have not looked too much into this. I am now though. I have tried to gather a few books and find people who may can help me.... any suggestions?
it still can affect christians/chatolics

[Durthorin]

Thanks. I'm trying to find someone around my area who can teach me and help me understand and know how to cleanse the house and seal it off from negative energies. Since I have not really dealt with really negative energies like this before, I have not looked too much into this. I am now though. I have tried to gather a few books and find people who may can help me.... any suggestions?

A cleansing ritual is by its nature the same as you would make to create sacred space. If your Freind is Christian. Its along the lines of cleansing the house with sacred salts, holy water.. then placing a cross over each door and window. When each room is cleansed a prayer to God for protection of the home and its occupants is most likly.

I can give you a basic format I use when I cleanse my own home.

[Durthorin]

The other night I was laying on Jose's bed. He got up to go use the restroom. I closed my eyes and then felt someone crawling on the bed. I opened my eyes and no one was there. All of a sudden I got really dizzy and tingly. I tried to move my legs but they would not budge. I could not breathe very well. I then tried to yell for Jose. All that came out, was a tiny whisper...

Please someone leave a little something...Advice or something....I need some opinions... :eek:


On this.. How much have you leanred about personal sheilding?

[Malista_Dove]

it still can affect christians/chatolics


Why would me being Wiccan have anything to do with what is affecting Jose?

[Malista_Dove]

A cleansing ritual is by its nature the same as you would make to create sacred space. If your Freind is Christian. Its along the lines of cleansing the house with sacred salts, holy water.. then placing a cross over each door and window. When each room is cleansed a prayer to God for protection of the home and its occupants is most likly.

I can give you a basic format I use when I cleanse my own home.

Oh yes, please show me the basic format. I love to see how others do things so I can create one similar so it will contain even more personal power.

[Malista_Dove]

On this.. How much have you leanred about personal sheilding?


I have read alot about it. Different ways to be protected by visualizing different sheilds around you...

[Cu Mhorrigan]

One way to cleanse things and Look Innocuous doing it,
1) First Physically clean the house, while doing so visualise yourself grabbing as Much "Negative" energy you can and toss it into the toilet, And Flush then ground yourself.
2) Use a Smudge of Sage (with Jose's Permission) White Sage from Mt. Shasta is best.
Scatter the Smoke through EVERY single room you can. Again Visualising the smoke cleansing the energy surrounding the house and filling it.
3) Smudge your boyfriend (Again with HIs permission) with sage...
4) Bang Pots this is one way to create enough Chaos to make stuff want to leave. Or Blast some really hard core Rock (Preferrably with alot of base)
5) Last but Not least, and this is really for emergencies or stuff that is really nasty or persistant. Burn Sulfur...Warning!!!! Sulfur is UNBELIEVABLY FOUL!!!!! Make sure you open the windows and use only a little bit. Hopefully it will cleanse the house enough to have your boyfriend do the following..

1) If possible Ask him to apologise to the Man's Son for Killing him. Perhaps write a letter to be read aloud explaining that He is sorry. then Burn the letter so that the man's spirit can read it...Make certain that Jose does not make excuses or tries to shift blame but that he is sorry for killing the man.

2) Have Jose give some charity to a Local Mosque Money works, Food for the poor works better. The idea here is to build up some good Karma. This will have to be done for quite a while...so keep that in Mind. Sponsoring a child overseas (Prefferably the same country Jose was at) will also work.

Feel free to let Me know, Other Pagans, please feel free to correct me here.

[Dave G]

Why would me being Wiccan have anything to do with what is affecting Jose?

Because witchcraft and the pagan rituals are commonly considered "out of the will of God."
One good verse that explains this is Deuteronomy 18:10-11:


American Standard Version: There shall not be found with thee any one...that useth divination, one that practiseth augury, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, | or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Amplified Bible: There shall not be found among you anyone who... uses divination or is a soothsayer or an augur or a sorcerer, | or a charmer, or a medium or a wizard or a necromancer.
The Answer: Don't let anyone use magic or witchcraft, or try to explain the meaning of signs. | Don't let anyone try to control others with magic, and don't let them be mediums or try to talk with the spirits of dead people."
Good News Version: ...and don't let your people practice divination or look for omens or use spells | or charms and don't let them consult the spirits of the dead.
James Moffatt Translation: There must be none among you... who practices divination or soothsaying, no augur, no sorcerer, | no one who weaves spells, no medium or magician, no necromancer.
Jerusalem Bible: There must never be anyone among you who ... practices divination, who is a soothsayer, augur or sorcerer, | who uses charms, consults ghosts or spirits, or calls up the dead.
King James Version: There shall not be found among you anyone ....that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Living Bible: No Israeli may practice black magic, or call on the evil spirits for aid, or be a fortune teller, | or be a serpent charmer, medium, or wizard, or call forth the spirits of the dead..
Modern Language Bible: There must not be found among you anyone... practicing divination, or soothsaying, observing omens, applying sorcery, | a charmer, a medium, a wizard, or a necromancer.
New American Bible: Let there be not be found among you anyone [who is]...a fortune-teller, soothsayer, charmer, diviner, | or caster of spells, no one who consults ghosts and spirits or seeks oracles from the dead.
New American Standard Bible: There shall not be found among you... one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens or a sorcerer, | or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
New Century Version: Don't let anyone use magic or witchcraft. No one should try to explain the meaning of signs, | don't let anyone try to control others with magic. Don't let them be mediums or try to talk with the spirits of dead people. .
New International Version: Let no one be found among you who ... practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, | or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
New Living Translation: Do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, or allow them to interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, | or cast spells or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead.
New Revised Standard Version: No one shall be found among you who practices divination, or is a soothsayer or an augur, or a sorcerer, | or one who cast spells or who consults ghosts and spirits, or who seeks oracles from the dead.
New World Translation: There shall not be found in you anyone ... who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer | or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead.
The Promise: Contemporary English Version: ..don't try to use any kind of magic or witchcraft to tell fortunes, or to cast spells or to talk with spirits of the dead.
Revised Standard Version: There shall not be found among you... | anyone who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Revised English Bible: Let no one be found among you who makes his son or daughter pass through fire, no... an augur or soothsayer or diviner or sorcerer, | none who cast spells or traffics with ghosts and spirits, and no necromancer.
It is logical that if something is against the will of God, then it must be a manner of dealing with the Devil, or demons, or wicked spirits.
There are a few more verses dealing with witchcraft/paganism, I'll wait and see if you have any interest in pursuing this further.

[Cu Mhorrigan]

While I appreciate your zeal, If you are going to be harrassing her because She is a wiccan and if you are not going to offer any useful advice, I think you should Leave this thread alone.

[Dave G]

While I appreciate your zeal, If you are going to be harrassing her because She is a wiccan and if you are not going to offer any useful advice, I think you should Leave this thread alone.

I thought I was being very open-minded. Can you show me where I was "harassing" her?
Or perhaps you can tell me how burning a letter and blowing sulfur around is more helpful?

In the OP Dove said she just wanted advice, and her husband being Catholic begs the need for his church's POV as well.
I don't mind being restricted from the thread, but that is up to Dove and not you.

[Cu Mhorrigan]

So far you have brought up the usual Fundementalist tripe about Demons and how Her being a Wiccan might be the source of these problems...
Her beliefs have NOTHING to do with this haunting but rather the fact that they are dealing with the Vengeful spirit of the man her boyfrind killed in Iraq.
Writting and Burning a letter as I suggested is a way of dealing with the issue at hand (IE the Vengeful spirit) what you suggest and what you are attemptng to do is trying to lay blame on someone which is the same unhealthy attitude the Witch hunters came onto the scene with a few hundred years ago. (And that is for another discussion not here).
In blaming HER you are basically telling her that it's HER fault. It is not only a hateful thing to say but it shows that you are not interested in helping the situation but rather trying to find a scapegoat which YOU can blame.
Those of us who have dealt with spirits, and those of us who are actually pagans would know just a little more about something like this than someone out to look for soemthing to lay blame on an innocent victim.

[Dave G]

So far you have brought up the usual Fundementalist tripe about Demons and how Her being a Wiccan might be the source of these problems...
Her beliefs have NOTHING to do with this haunting but rather the fact that they are dealing with the Vengeful spirit of the man her boyfrind killed in Iraq.
Writting and Burning a letter as I suggested is a way of dealing with the issue at hand (IE the Vengeful spirit) what you suggest and what you are attemptng to do is trying to lay blame on someone which is the same unhealthy attitude the Witch hunters came onto the scene with a few hundred years ago. (And that is for another discussion not here).
In blaming HER you are basically telling her that it's HER fault. It is not only a hateful thing to say but it shows that you are not interested in helping the situation but rather trying to find a scapegoat which YOU can blame.
Those of us who have dealt with spirits, and those of us who are actually pagans would know just a little more about something like this than someone out to look for soemthing to lay blame on an innocent victim.

Ok, prove it. Quote me: where did I say she was to blame? Where is it implied that I am only interested in scapegoating her? And where do you get your tradition? How do you know it is effective?
I certainly don't hate her...I am only concerned that she know more than the Wiccan tradition. Did I not say it would be helpful to know Jose's POV within the church? Did you read what I wrote at all?
And I have dealt with a spirit, only one that I recall.
Sorry if I crowd your "superior knowing."

[Gideon Brown]

You're giving excellent advice, Dave, and you're doing it in a respectful manner. Keep it up. :thumb:

[Dave G]

You're giving excellent advice, Dave, and you're doing it in a respectful manner. Keep it up. :thumb:

Thanks, man.

[Cu Mhorrigan]

Well we can start Here:

I don't think I'd be too out of line to tell what some would consider a conservative Christian standpoint.
Demons in scripture harass and control people, even Christians some say.
You could go to a pastor or priest and have them pray for you, but the most effective solution is to become a Christian and take charge of your home. If you would like, I can look up the scripture that says Christians have control over the demons in life.

Which is usually the "It's Da DEBIL, Da EBIL DEBUL" ploy, Essentially Not addressing the Issue at hand and finding some Mythological scapegoat in order to Avoid teh matter at hand.

Next is the scripture you posted basically Blaming Her because She is a Wiccan...For some reasons Fundies LOVE quoting that scripture when they want to "Minister" to witches as if that is somehow going to get us to say "You know what? Youre right, Mister, I'll get out of your precisous little christian community or I'll go right to that Altar right now and grovel at your pastor's feet and give him all my money."

As to your experience...WOW ONE spirit? well that Makes you an expert....In all things relating to hauntings. I mean Ive only been dealing with the spirit world since I was Six, and I have devoted some of My life to studying spiritology and Here you are with your ONE spirit, Evidently you are far superior to Me or Dura...I will now yield to your great wisdom Please, you who have dealt with only ONE spirit, instruct us...We are ready to learn from your vast knowledge from dealing with that ONE Spirit.
PLEASE, SHARE!!!

[Darth Executor]

You've been dealing with spirits all your life and the best thing you can come up with is "bang some pots" and "take the negative energy and throw it in the toilet?" :lmbo:

[Dave G]

Well we can start Here:


Which is usually the "It's Da DEBIL, Da EBIL DEBUL" ploy, Essentially Not addressing the Issue at hand and finding some Mythological scapegoat in order to Avoid teh matter at hand.

Next is the scripture you posted basically Blaming Her because She is a Wiccan...For some reasons Fundies LOVE quoting that scripture when they want to "Minister" to witches as if that is somehow going to get us to say "You know what? Youre right, Mister, I'll get out of your precisous little christian community or I'll go right to that Altar right now and grovel at your pastor's feet and give him all my money."

As to your experience...WOW ONE spirit? well that Makes you an expert....In all things relating to hauntings. I mean Ive only been dealing with the spirit world since I was Six, and I have devoted some of My life to studying spiritology and Here you are with your ONE spirit, Evidently you are far superior to Me or Dura...I will now yield to your great wisdom Please, you who have dealt with only ONE spirit, instruct us...We are ready to learn from your vast knowledge from dealing with that ONE Spirit.
PLEASE, SHARE!!!

Let me get this straight: you are talking about hauntings and you think the Devil is mythological? I won't press the point...it just seems a little short sighted of you.
As for "blaming" her with a simple quoting of scripture...well, I couldn't have done that, because I have no idea what tradition she follows in Wicca or what rituals she may or may not have performed. Do you usually speak so rudely to people who have a basic (albeit fundamental) disagreement with you?
As for "ministering," well, I'm not a minister. I could care less how she calls herself or whether she prostrates before an altar or even gives away her money...although...


2) Have Jose give some charity to a Local Mosque Money works, Food for the poor works better. The idea here is to build up some good Karma. This will have to be done for quite a while...so keep that in Mind. Sponsoring a child overseas (Prefferably the same country Jose was at) will also work.
it seems somebody does. lol.

I never intended to compare my spiritual self with anyone else, and I'm not going to. I can only add that I have been involved with Spiritualism (not spiritism) since before I could read. :shrug:
Do you think mocking me with your superior ability/ knowledge is really helping Dove?

[Cu Mhorrigan]

Far from it, My Mocking is not towards you as an individual but rather at your ignorance.
You Posted that Scripture in order to Shame her out of her Wiccan beliefs.
And Yes I accept hauntings because we have Some scientific proof that Hauntings exist.
As to the devil, we only have the ravings of fundementalist fanatics who essentially want to scare people into tauting their particular brand of religion. Do I believe in spirits who are evil? Well if we have people Like George bush, Saddam hussien, and Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler and the like then Yes there are evil spirits
This However is not one of them...this is a VENGEFUL spirit, that's the difference. It is ticked off that it died before it's time and was made just a bit stronger by an agry father's curse. (It Helps if you actually read the little bit of history provided by the OP.)
As to the acts of Charity, Muslim Law dictates that If a Person has repented, Says Prayers and Performs acts of Charity then that person is to be considered an equal to the Muslim (Somewhat)
So I detailed How to help the Boyfriend (Joe) deal with it..
1) Repent (Cleanse the House and write the letter)
2)Say Prayers (Ask the Offended Spirit for forgiveness)
3) Perform Charity (Donating to the Local Mosque or Sponsor a child over seas).

What you did was: post some scriptures Outlawing witches, and blame some Christian God of Evil and Nastiness for all her boyfriend's problems.

[Dave G]

Far from it, My Mocking is not towards you as an individual but rather at your ignorance.
You Posted that Scripture in order to Shame her out of her Wiccan beliefs.
And Yes I accept hauntings because we have Some scientific proof that Hauntings exist.
As to the devil, we only have the ravings of fundementalist fanatics who essentially want to scare people into tauting their particular brand of religion. Do I believe in spirits who are evil? Well if we have people Like George bush, Saddam hussien, and Osama Bin Laden, Adolf Hitler and the like then Yes there are evil spirits
This However is not one of them...this is a VENGEFUL spirit, that's the difference. It is ticked off that it died before it's time and was made just a bit stronger by an agry father's curse. (It Helps if you actually read the little bit of history provided by the OP.)
As to the acts of Charity, Muslim Law dictates that If a Person has repented, Says Prayers and Performs acts of Charity then that person is to be considered an equal to the Muslim (Somewhat)
So I detailed How to help the Boyfriend (Joe) deal with it..
1) Repent (Cleanse the House and write the letter)
2)Say Prayers (Ask the Offended Spirit for forgiveness)
3) Perform Charity (Donating to the Local Mosque or Sponsor a child over seas).

What you did was: post some scriptures Outlawing witches, and blame some Christian God of Evil and Nastiness for all her boyfriend's problems.

I can't tell the difference between mocking an ignorance and mocking a person. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
You say I posted to shame Dove. How can you read my mind? Is this how you correct everyone who disagrees with you?
Please post some evidence (scientific) of hauntings, enough so I could be persuaded.
There actually is a radio program that used to (I don't know if it still exists) record and broadcast demons and possessions. Should I say that this wasn't scientific?
We don't necessarily have scientific evidence of the devil, but we do have ancient texts asserting his existence. The oldest is the Book of Job, where the one commonly held to be the devil is called, the Adversary.
How are these spirits becoming evil? I'm actually interested to find out.
I'm also curious how you came to the conclusion that the spirit in this instance was vengeful. How did you know exactly that the spirit died "before its time?" You are not much better than a fundamentalist if you say, "I know better than you!"
So now I would like to know the tradition you follow so I can know better what you are recommending. The steps you listed are basically the plans of God (steps of repentance), if there was no God I would have to endorse your advice wholeheartedly.

[Cu Mhorrigan]

I follow an ecclectic tradition blending Shamanism, Celtic Spirituality and Other beliefs.
If I was Mocking you I would have insulted your intelligence, your family background and something clearly about YOU as a person. Mocking your ignorance is essentially calling your opinions to be based on your lack of knowledge...
As to Clear documentation of hauntings I would Suggest Google or Yahoo seaarch to find some references to get you more information.
And I know the program you are talking about...It was hosted by the So called "Evangelist" Bob Larson.

[Dave G]

I follow an ecclectic tradition blending Shamanism, Celtic Spirituality and Other beliefs.
If I was Mocking you I would have insulted your intelligence, your family background and something clearly about YOU as a person. Mocking your ignorance is essentially calling your opinions to be based on your lack of knowledge...
As to Clear documentation of hauntings I would Suggest Google or Yahoo seaarch to find some references to get you more information.
And I know the program you are talking about...It was hosted by the So called "Evangelist" Bob Larson.

Hum...so if it's eclectic, who started the tradition? How is it blended? Is it one of the more than 100 nations of Native Americans, or Haitian zuvembies, or African tribes? And what are the other beliefs? Please be specific. Do you follow texts or oral tradition only? I want to ascertain that you are not a dilettante.
err...lol....and mocking my lack of knowledge IS something clearly about me as a person. Lack of or Increase in Knowledge are both something about me as a complete person...
Don't ask me to Google, you can't argue by weblink or blind assertion...you want to sway me, then give me the goods.

Yes, Bob Larson used to have a big following in the 90's, and I borrowed some tapes that seemed to be legitimate recordings of demon possession, including one of a man who suddenly started talking in English with a perfect East Indian accent.
I stopped listening to Bob when he sent tapes of people who were clearly NOT possessed, but were under psychological distress.


Edit to add: One of the mods may want to split this thread, since we're off-topic and arguing over who has a right to post.

[BrianK]

Why would me being Wiccan have anything to do with what is affecting Jose?

He isn't saying its you being a Wiccan but he is saying demons will attack christians and cathlocs

[YoungOne]

Thank you for clarifying for me. I was just saying being Christian doesn't exempt people from spiritual attacks. In fact we may be more open to them because we have chosen a side against the evil spirits/the devil.

I do think spirits have names. In the gospels and from experiance I have encounter Mute and Deaf spirits. So i think its ok to say this spirit may have the name Vengeful I don't know I am not there.

I don't believe in ghosts for haunting. I do believe in demons manifesting their presence in places and controlling them.

I don't think we should jump and blame the devil for all things. We do live in a fallen world where everybody messes up. Everybody falls short of perfection. So to say the devil is behind everything evil is absurd. However, sometimes Christians don't give them enough credit which i think happens too often in Western society. People in other cultures have a way easier name believing in spiritual realm.

[Malista_Dove]

Because witchcraft and the pagan rituals are commonly considered "out of the will of God."
One good verse that explains this is Deuteronomy 18:10-11:


American Standard Version: There shall not be found with thee any one...that useth divination, one that practiseth augury, or an enchanter, or a sorcerer, | or a charmer, or a consulter with a familiar spirit, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Amplified Bible: There shall not be found among you anyone who... uses divination or is a soothsayer or an augur or a sorcerer, | or a charmer, or a medium or a wizard or a necromancer.
The Answer: Don't let anyone use magic or witchcraft, or try to explain the meaning of signs. | Don't let anyone try to control others with magic, and don't let them be mediums or try to talk with the spirits of dead people."
Good News Version: ...and don't let your people practice divination or look for omens or use spells | or charms and don't let them consult the spirits of the dead.
James Moffatt Translation: There must be none among you... who practices divination or soothsaying, no augur, no sorcerer, | no one who weaves spells, no medium or magician, no necromancer.
Jerusalem Bible: There must never be anyone among you who ... practices divination, who is a soothsayer, augur or sorcerer, | who uses charms, consults ghosts or spirits, or calls up the dead.
King James Version: There shall not be found among you anyone ....that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter or a witch, or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Living Bible: No Israeli may practice black magic, or call on the evil spirits for aid, or be a fortune teller, | or be a serpent charmer, medium, or wizard, or call forth the spirits of the dead..
Modern Language Bible: There must not be found among you anyone... practicing divination, or soothsaying, observing omens, applying sorcery, | a charmer, a medium, a wizard, or a necromancer.
New American Bible: Let there be not be found among you anyone [who is]...a fortune-teller, soothsayer, charmer, diviner, | or caster of spells, no one who consults ghosts and spirits or seeks oracles from the dead.
New American Standard Bible: There shall not be found among you... one who uses divination, one who practices witchcraft, or one who interprets omens or a sorcerer, | or one who casts a spell, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
New Century Version: Don't let anyone use magic or witchcraft. No one should try to explain the meaning of signs, | don't let anyone try to control others with magic. Don't let them be mediums or try to talk with the spirits of dead people. .
New International Version: Let no one be found among you who ... practices divination or sorcery, interprets omens, engages in witchcraft, | or casts spells, or who is a medium or spiritist or who consults the dead.
New Living Translation: Do not let your people practice fortune-telling or sorcery, or allow them to interpret omens, or engage in witchcraft, | or cast spells or function as mediums or psychics, or call forth the spirits of the dead.
New Revised Standard Version: No one shall be found among you who practices divination, or is a soothsayer or an augur, or a sorcerer, | or one who cast spells or who consults ghosts and spirits, or who seeks oracles from the dead.
New World Translation: There shall not be found in you anyone ... who employs divination, a practicer of magic or anyone who looks for omens or a sorcerer | or one who binds others with a spell or anyone who consults a spirit medium or a professional foreteller of events or anyone who inquires of the dead.
The Promise: Contemporary English Version: ..don't try to use any kind of magic or witchcraft to tell fortunes, or to cast spells or to talk with spirits of the dead.
Revised Standard Version: There shall not be found among you... | anyone who practices divination, a soothsayer, or an augur or a sorcerer, or a charmer, or a medium, or a wizard, or a necromancer.
Revised English Bible: Let no one be found among you who makes his son or daughter pass through fire, no... an augur or soothsayer or diviner or sorcerer, | none who cast spells or traffics with ghosts and spirits, and no necromancer.
It is logical that if something is against the will of God, then it must be a manner of dealing with the Devil, or demons, or wicked spirits.
There are a few more verses dealing with witchcraft/paganism, I'll wait and see if you have any interest in pursuing this further.


This is ridiculous. This is a Pagan forum to begin with. We do not even believe in the devil. There is no devil in Wicca...none whatsoever.

[Malista_Dove]

I thought I was being very open-minded. Can you show me where I was "harassing" her?
Or perhaps you can tell me how burning a letter and blowing sulfur around is more helpful?

In the OP Dove said she just wanted advice, and her husband being Catholic begs the need for his church's POV as well.
I don't mind being restricted from the thread, but that is up to Dove and not you.


You were, in a way, harrassing me. Calling me some sort of evil devil worshipper of the sort. Yes he is Catholic, but he wants me to deal with this negative force that is following him. He asked for my help on cleansing the area. He does not mind my religion at all.

[Darth Executor]

Please someone leave a little something...Advice or something....I need some opinions... :eek:

Tell him to move.

[Malista_Dove]

Tell him to move.


Yeah..wow great advice. The trouble is. The Energy FOLLOWS him.

[Darth Executor]

Yeah..wow great advice. The trouble is. The Energy FOLLOWS him.

Can you give some examples? From what I saw in this thread all that stuff seems to have happened at his house.

[Malista_Dove]

Can you give some examples? From what I saw in this thread all that stuff seems to have happened at his house.


It has gotten into my car when me and him were going down the road. It touched Jose and me on the shoulder at the same time, as if it was leaning forward towards us. He was wiping the window so I know it was not him touching me.
When I got into my car yesterday, everything was moved around and the sun roof was open. I did NOT open this. And even though my car is a mess...I still know where everything is.
It has also somehow gotten a $100 dollar bill out of my car and placed it on top of Jose's dresser ..underneath his army shirts. Again, I know for a fact it was not Jose because the car was locked and I was with him the whole time in the house.

[Darth Executor]

By the way, by your description it sounds like one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people

Want my advice? Buy some cheap cameras and put them all over your fiance's house (I'd do it without him knowing, but that might get you in trouble).

[Durthorin]

I have read alot about it. Different ways to be protected by visualizing different sheilds around you...

One thing to understand is that sheilding has to be practiced continually. You are open to a lot of things as such closing the doors an windows and placing a barrier around yourself ceases to be optional, it becomes a requirment.

If you ar not now, I'd start with 50-15 minutes of meditation on sheilding. Visualize it, wrap it around your body.. reach up to God and Goddess for additional strength and tap down into the earth to ground out anything that hits it. Hold that visual until iy becomes natural.

[Malista_Dove]

By the way, by your description it sounds like one of these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shadow_people

Want my advice? Buy some cheap cameras and put them all over your fiance's house (I'd do it without him knowing, but that might get you in trouble).


Yeah...sounds like that. I think I might consider buying cameras and tape recorders..I dunno. I'm kinda financially down right now..

[Malista_Dove]

One thing to understand is that sheilding has to be practiced continually. You are open to a lot of things as such closing the doors an windows and placing a barrier around yourself ceases to be optional, it becomes a requirment.

If you ar not now, I'd start with 50-15 minutes of meditation on sheilding. Visualize it, wrap it around your body.. reach up to God and Goddess for additional strength and tap down into the earth to ground out anything that hits it. Hold that visual until iy becomes natural.


Thank you. I have tried this technique but I have not tried it many times. I need to though...thanks again

[Durthorin]

Oh yes, please show me the basic format. I love to see how others do things so I can create one similar so it will contain even more personal power.

Get Sea Salt, Sage smudge, Spring water..
small envelopes, paper.
Besom(broom)

Your intent is to cleanse and ward the house..

1. Start with a detailed house cleaning..Spring cleaning on Steriods. Clean and has you do visualize all thats negative being swept out and cleaned.. The cleaning should finish with everythng dirty out of the house.. rags, dust bins, vacum bags.. everything.

2. cleanse yourself and Jose with a mixture of sea salt and water/ earth+water then smudge with sage/Fire + air.

3. Move thru the house back to front. Outline each door with salt water and smudge each room, visualizing the all remaining negative energies moving towards the front door of the house. Visualize the energy being pushed out of the room, then ward the doorways.

4. prepare an envelop for each doorway. In it should be a prayer, a call upon Jose's god or upon yours or both. Request from an ancestor as well are helpful. As you outline the door, place the prayer above it. Move on..

5. When you get to the front room and all others have been sealed and warded, you want to ask your guest to leave.. smudge the room, let the smoke act as pressure cleansing and pushing what is negative out the front door.. then seal and ward it.


You will have cleansed the space. Keeping it cleansed becoems a matter of thought and spirit. As Cu said, their are ways of appeasing a spirit. Personally, I would make a small Altar by the door, place things on it to honor the dead.. and ask Jose to pray for the man he killed's soul each time he enters the house for a period of time.. perhaps even fast. These are all acts of sorrow and repentance.

[Durthorin]

Thank you. I have tried this technique but I have not tried it many times. I need to though...thanks again

Not a problem. Like I said, practice.

[Malista_Dove]

Get Sea Salt, Sage smudge, Spring water..
small envelopes, paper.
Besom(broom)

Your intent is to cleanse and ward the house..

1. Start with a detailed house cleaning..Spring cleaning on Steriods. Clean and has you do visualize all thats negative being swept out and cleaned.. The cleaning should finish with everythng dirty out of the house.. rags, dust bins, vacum bags.. everything.

2. cleanse yourself and Jose with a mixture of sea salt and water/ earth+water then smudge with sage/Fire + air.

3. Move thru the house back to front. Outline each door with salt water and smudge each room, visualizing the all remaining negative energies moving towards the front door of the house. Visualize the energy being pushed out of the room, then ward the doorways.

4. prepare an envelop for each doorway. In it should be a prayer, a call upon Jose's god or upon yours or both. Request from an ancestor as well are helpful. As you outline the door, place the prayer above it. Move on..

5. When you get to the front room and all others have been sealed and warded, you want to ask your guest to leave.. smudge the room, let the smoke act as pressure cleansing and pushing what is negative out the front door.. then seal and ward it.


You will have cleansed the space. Keeping it cleansed becoems a matter of thought and spirit. As Cu said, their are ways of appeasing a spirit. Personally, I would make a small Altar by the door, place things on it to honor the dead.. and ask Jose to pray for the man he killed's soul each time he enters the house for a period of time.. perhaps even fast. These are all acts of sorrow and repentance.

I know this may seem to be a very silly question, but, I am not sure where to get a sage smudge. Do you have any suggestions? I live in a very Christian area so there are no New Age stores around here. What could I use to create a sage smudge? Since it is almost winter, I cannot grow the sage myself at this moment.

[Durthorin]

I know this may seem to be a very silly question, but, I am not sure where to get a sage smudge. Do you have any suggestions? I live in a very Christian area so there are no New Age stores around here. What could I use to create a sage smudge? Since it is almost winter, I cannot grow the sage myself at this moment.

We are nothing is not adaptable. Smudging can be done with a number of things.. A smudge stick is traditional but any natural insence will work.. these are the most common that I know of.


Sage / White Sage
Cedar / Pine
Lavender
Sweet Grass
Mugwort
Copal
Now you can order from an online supplier fairly cheaply. If you can't then get a thick bowl or small metal pan. Lite a bricket of charcoal (sometimes you can find little round charcoal pieces designed for insence. Drop dried Pine or cedar on it.. they should smoke. If you have a hand fan, just fan the smoke into the room or walk in the room letting the smoke scent the room. When it smells of nothing but pine.. move to the next room.

[Malista_Dove]

We are nothing is not adaptable. Smudging can be done with a number of things.. A smudge stick is traditional but any natural insence will work.. these are the most common that I know of.


Sage / White Sage
Cedar / Pine
Lavender
Sweet Grass
Mugwort
Copal
Now you can order from an online supplier fairly cheaply. If you can't then get a thick bowl or small metal pan. Lite a bricket of charcoal (sometimes you can find little round charcoal pieces designed for insence. Drop dried Pine or cedar on it.. they should smoke. If you have a hand fan, just fan the smoke into the room or walk in the room letting the smoke scent the room. When it smells of nothing but pine.. move to the next room.

Thank you. You have been VERY helpful. I will try the incense idea. I can't order offline thanks to the fact that you need a credit card to do so. Being 16, I'm sad to say that I don't have one... :sigh:

[Cu Mhorrigan]

Well the way you can work around that is using Kitchen witchcraft, (Try searching on witchvox for more details.) Alot of cooking spices can be substituted especially if they are reasonably fresh.

[Dave G]

I apologize, Dove, I didn't realize I was posting in the Wicca forum.

[Durthorin]

I apologize, Dove, I didn't realize I was posting in the Wicca forum.

Newt.:ahem:

[Malista_Dove]

I apologize, Dove, I didn't realize I was posting in the Wicca forum.


It's ok. It is an honest Mistake.

[Malista_Dove]

Thanks to all who have given me information on cleansing rituals and such. I will be certain to write of my results of my cleansing ritual that I have created from all of your advice (and other sources).
Thank you. :lol:

Blessed Be :candle:

[Malista_Dove]

Pagans Only. I don't feel like being criticized!!!
Here is an email from a friend...who has psychic visions (hereditary).... This is her view on the entity or negative energy...


i figured out what it is!!! the entity has always been there...it's trying to get you to leave... it wants you to leave before something more fatal hurts u...i had another dream...it talked to me...it told me that you prolly wont understands this...that you wont go on my words...it told me that it has seen some of the terrible things that have happened in that house...it's trying to protect you...she said she was new at this and she was nervous about scaring you that it didnt want to hurt you....but just give you a good warning...this is the most i've drempt in two years...everytime i close my eyes it speaks to me...for she cant express her words alout yet...i told her that you would try to make her leave...she sed she couldnt...she has to remain protecting those who come into it innocently...i know this is way out there...but its true...i know that you thin u can do this on ur own but ur going to need help...ill help...i hope u know what ur doing...i dont want you to get hurt...ill come help u with the cleansing...but u have to let jose know that i didnt send there and that i want to help....maybe this can help his negative energy like you sed...

How could I contact this spirit myself? I want to figure out what this is in Jose's house.

Is it possible for someones negative energy to create something harmful in their own house? I was wondering this because..well Jose has alot of emotional problems. He likes to control and demand. I also know that he lies ALOT! I try to put up with it because I figure that it is the Post-traumatic stress from being in Iraq. I'm not really sure what it is...

Any opinions? :sigh:

[Durthorin]

Pagans Only. I don't feel like being criticized!!!
Here is an email from a friend...who has psychic visions (hereditary).... This is her view on the entity or negative energy...



How could I contact this spirit myself? I want to figure out what this is in Jose's house.

Is it possible for someones negative energy to create something harmful in their own house? I was wondering this because..well Jose has alot of emotional problems. He likes to control and demand. I also know that he lies ALOT! I try to put up with it because I figure that it is the Post-traumatic stress from being in Iraq. I'm not really sure what it is...

Any opinions? :sigh:

Use tarot or runes.. they make a good meta lanaguage for a spirit to use to talk with you.

[Malista_Dove]

Use tarot or runes.. they make a good meta lanaguage for a spirit to use to talk with you.

Thanks. Are there any other ways? What are your views on using a Quija board for communication?...

[Lady Macbeth]

Thanks. Are there any other ways? What are your views on using a Quija board for communication?...

I do not recommend Ouija boards to inexperienced people ever. Sorry if that sounds "paranoid and fluffy" to other Pagans here, but it is one of the things I hold firm on when discussions of contacting otherworlders come up. Oujia boards tend to amplify one of the biggest problems that beginners have in talking to any sort of spirit - they become excited in asking questions and lose focus of what they are doing. This is dangerous on a number of levels, but the most basic is that you are likely not going to get accurate information to answer your problem.

I've read through this thread (admittedly, skipping the back-and-forth between Dave G and Cu Mhorrigan), and I must admit that you're in a complex situation.

First of all, the "being" you're describing does sound like one of the Shadow People, as was suggested earlier in this thread. Shadow People can be difficult to deal with, especially since you're only 16 and inexperienced in magic - the inexperience of life (your youth) paired with inexperience of the spiritual realm makes problems like this difficult to tackle on your own - which is why I don't suggest doing it.

The first step you're going to want to take is to seek mundane help for Jose's distress. If he is suffering from PTSD, then he should get help for it. I know some veterans don't want to - but it is an important step to take. If it's true that he was in the position where he had to kill a young man in Iraq, then he is going to have to come to terms with that to help release the negativity that he is feeling. When our warriors come home from the war, they need support and understanding to help them regain equilibrium.

When his negativity is reduced, it will also reduce the amount of negativity that is attracted to him. This will help both of you move forward in cleansing the house. The suggestions given in this thread are good for that; but if the negativity is attracted to him, it will only return. Negativity does indeed generate negativity. Also, a wide range of spirits are attracted to negativity.

It is possible to let Shadow People (and some other types of spirits) know that you do not want them to interfere with your life. Whether they choose to mind that is sketchy, as I have met with moderate success myself and I've seen a wide variety in levels of success in others. It is not an area that is well-studied, so there is no definitive answers on the subject. However, it does not hurt to simply tell them, the next time they appear, "You are upsetting this household, and I would appreciate it if you would stop your disruptive behaviors." This is by no means an "order", and nothing in that statement requires them to leave the home; however, I would leave that work (should that be what you and Jose desire to do) to a professional. If, however, that works for you, remember to say "thank you". Courtesy goes a long way in the spirit world, just as it does in our world.

The bottom line, however, is that when you are uncertain of the situation you are in, any elements of the situation, or what you are dealing with, it is best to not tackle it yourself. Professionals are always preferred. If you've done all that you can on the mundane level and there appears to be no reasonable way to live with the presence, then you may need to seek the aid of a professional.

[OckhamsRazor]

I want to know everyone's thought about this. Even if this seems silly..I really want opinions.

My fiance says that he keeps seeing a dark figure stalking around his home. When he shines a light..it disappears. Sometimes when his dog is in the house he gets in front of my fiance and begins to protect him from an invisible being. He barks and snaps at the air and will not let my fiance pass.
Someone of someone let my ferret outside. It isn't possible because no one was home and there were no holes to be found anywhere in the house.
Last night my fiance walked into the house and all the TVs were on. The closet doors slid open and dining room chairs were everywhere in his house. No one had been in his house because his doors were locked. Yet all of these things happened.

Jose ( my fiance) believes that he was cursed. He says that when he was in Iraq he was forced to shoot a man's son. He said that the man cursed at him and swore that his god of revenge would get him. I'm not sure if I believe that the Iraqi man is the cause of this, but what could it be???

I think others have said similar things, but I'd like to give my perspective. If I were in the situation I would build a team of people. I would access a Born-Again Christian Pastor, I would be inclined toward a Fundamentalist Baptist. He usually will take you seriously and help you. If the one doesn't look for another and he likely will. The reason I specify like this is because I know that Fundamentalist Baptists take Scripture very seriously and take the idea of demonic harassment very seriously. You aren't likely to be blown off or not be taken seriously about the spiritual aspects of this by a Fundamentalist Baptist like others might. Another person that needs to be employed is a psychiatrist. We have to cover all bases here even if it seems highly unlikely to be necessary. If one turns you down find another. This is vital. We must take every precaution. You need to involve your family and his so that you have people interacting with you and checking on you to make sure you and Jose are safe and getting the things and help you need regardless of the cause of the problem. You could also involve a neurologist. There are numerous causes for certain phenomenon. It is important we give attention to all those causes. An excellent example of difficulty we can have about this sort of phenomenon can be seen in the movie "The Exorcism Of Emily Rose". This movie might be worth a viewing for you and Jose. I will be praying for you both.

~Jon

[tmancour]

Malista,

First, my sympathies for what Jose is going through. A personal cleansing would no doubt be helpful, but I don't think that they will get rid of the problem.

When dealing with a post-trauma situation it is not uncommon for the one who suffered (in this case, Jose killing a child, something that no doubt he has strong feelings about) to manifest some exterior issues. I'm not saying that he wasn't necesarily cursed; what I'm saying is that it is possible that Jose's sub-conscious mind has used that curse as a vehicle of expressing his guilt and grief for what he was forced to do.

The way we re-integrate warriors back into our culture is deeply flawed, and all sorts of nastiness can result. To take a generally peaceful man and put him in a position to take another life -- innocent or not -- and then insist that he stop the fight/flight response that's kept him alive when he gets home is trauma enough. In the Good Ole Days there was a lengthy period of ritual purification between the time a warrior left the battlefield and he came back to be among civilians. Now our ritual is no more life-changing than paperwork.

My advice (and remember, you were looking for free advice; it's worth what you paid for it!):

If Jose is Catholic, then not only have a priest or monk bless the house, but ask him to consider an Act of Atonement to heal his soul. Some quest or pilgrimage or journey that can give him a vehicle for coming to terms with his feelings, so that he can confront this shadowy figure for what it is. It will have the same effect as a good magickal ritual, and it will allow him to deal with this within the cultural matrix he's most comfortable with.

Please let me know what happens.

Blessings on you both,

Arion the Blue
High Druid of Durham

[gharfish]

This is off-topic, but I am curious if anyone here knows anything about what I think is called "soul travel" by Rosicrucians.

I had a work-study supervisor in college (this was back in the early eighties) who claimed he had been able to once very briefly leave his body, but only rising out by a few feet or so. Is soul travel, or anything like it, believed/practiced in any form of neo-pagan religion ? Oh, come to think of it, maybe astral projection is something that must be quite similiar (?)

Anybody know if Rosicrucianism is still around ? For this guy it was a passing interest. He was a world religions major, BTW; worked as a professor's assistant.

Anyway, he made a claim that he had once seen a "dark being" in his room as he was in bed preparing to go to sleep. He was an intelligent sober-minded guy; I don't think he was pulling my leg.

He gave no explanation for what he thought that 'being' might have been, and it had no form that he described. It was not at all solid. He said it only appeared--did nothing else. He swore that he was wide awake at the time and it definitely wasn't a figment of his imagination. It didn't concern him; he didn't feel 'threatened' by it. It was just a fascinating experience for him it seemed.

All these years I've wondered about that. AFAIK, contact with spiritual beings is not sought after or necessarily expected in that system of belief. (I did a little bit of reading about "them" way back then, not long after he told me this.)

[tmancour]

Yes, AMORC is still around, still has their little complex in Southern California, and still advertises in the back of cheesy magazines. Still, as a ceremonial magick tradition, they aren't half bad. Just a little whacky. After a couple of hard-core Thelemites, they're darn refreshing.

And "soul travel" is essentially the same thing as "astral travel".

As far as "dark beings" I am of the opinion that these entities, while "real" in a sense, only manifest when the observer has allowed them the psychological vehicle to do so. The sub-conscious is a powerful thing, and our perceptions are ordinarily not tuned to "see" at that level. But every now and then even a totally non-mystical person will have a manifestation of a reflection of their "darker" nature, usually in connection with some psychologically troubling trauma or change in life. A good wizard will seek them out and deal with them, eventually venturing to the "Chapel Perilous" (aka "Long Dark Night of the Soul") and confronting them for what they are.

Does that make them somehow "unreal"? I don't think so. Just unrecognized. I assure you, to the people that have these manifestations, they are real enough.

Arion

[northerncanada]

This has also happened in our home. Although I attribute it to that we live about 200 metres by a grave yard on a ridge frequented by Native people 300 years ago.
Every night about 3:00 am small footsteps run across our ceiling in the attic, at first I was only hearing it, until my husband heard it one night and finally believed me.
In the corner of your eye you can catch glimpses of a dark figure or shadow run downstairs, and knock stuff over.
We do not worry about them though they do not intend to hurt us, they just let themselves be known that they are here.

[tmancour]

My theory? Racoons.

Arion

[Tlalynet]

I am Chrisitan in the proper sence, but I don't want to antaganize, and if you feel I am just say so and I'll go.

My personal prefrence is to combine abilites in any situation where you are a bit out of you're league. This is a slight problem in you're case as Chistian abilites don't hybridize well (The marridge itself is a forbidden one for him in many respects, I'm just noting that as an inhibior to his abilies not trying to be hostile) and to do it effectivly you would need develop a philisophical understanding of each others beliefs that is probably well beyond what even you know of Wikka and well beyond what he knows of Catholisism. (I could well be incorrect here, but you do not sound highly advanced, sorry)

I would be willing to bet that that incompatability of powers would leave you more vulnerable to anything.

Now, I will agree to incence and have used it to some effect personally, but given what I've read of your situation clanign of pots or doing anything else to cause chaos is strongly not reccomended. I would guess (which is all I can do, not being there) that if the spirit is malevolent (which I do not feel is firmly established, I feel your freinds dream is good evidince that it is not, but I feel untill you have certinty you should proceed with caution as if it where dangerous) it very likely thrives on chaos and conflict.
You have:
1. A soldier husband (who suffers in conflict)
2. Who had to kill someone (Not a critisim, I respect soldiers deeply, but the enemys hate is very real and aslo conflict)
3. Differeing power types that are very likely not reconciled properly. (A combined technique would show that they are reconsciled, anyway, the power types are probably in conflict)
4. Annoying in laws (Like them or lump them, its a mild conflict)

In general I would say that promoting peace and tranquility is the best, if what youre dealing with is not so good you will only help it by adding cahos, and if it is a freindly entity there isnt any reason to drive it off.

A strong, unified barrier is a must in any home, especially one with family. I personally dont see the point of sealing doors and windows and always founded a Holy Ground barrier myself, mateiral like doors I find to be very sub par aids to a barrier, and I like to be able to roam anywhere on my property with strong protection.

I could go on, but I'm not sure if I'm out of line or not. I apologise if I am.

[Apologia Xristou]

Greetings, Malista_Dove,

The type of phenomena you are describing sounds like poltergeist activity. Poltergeist events generally occur around youth but not always. Basically, this word means "noisy spirit," and different people interpret what types of “noisy spirits” poltergeists truly are. Some humans believe these spirits are ghosts and others believe they are demons. Poltergeists reportedly move objects, affect electrical equipment, they cause unexplainable noises, generate apparitions, and seemingly materialize objects (such as rocks). Poltergeist anomalies are very frequent in certain parts of Africa.

It is interesting to observe that poltergeist phenomena sometimes occur during Ouija board sessions, séances, in haunted houses, and other occult-related fields. Sometimes friends or family members of individuals involved in the occult somehow can experience paranormal occurrences.

Regarding Jose and his parents being Catholic, I do not think this would necessarily prevent an evil entity from harassing Jose. Are you familiar with a book titled The Exorcism of Anneliese Michel? It is the true account of an apparent spirit possession and attempted exorcism(s) that the movie The Exorcism of Emily Rose is based on. It is interesting to note that Anneliese was Catholic, too.

Although I realize this is a Wicca forum, my advice would be to become a Christian and cease practicing Wicca, which involves engaging in multiple occult activities. I would also encourage Jose to become a Christian or recommit his life to Jesus Christ. You may be very surprised to discover that the shadow figure and the other anomalous phenomena in Jose’s house will end.

Here is a link to a web article (http://www.christiananswersforthenewage.org/Articles_OccultTerms1.html) that explains what I mean by “occult activities,” written by a former astrologer.

I hope this helps.


Sincerely,

apologiaguy

[Freya]

Jesus Christ, The Amazing Cure-All! :ahem:

Malista_Dove, if you're still around, how did things turn out? I notice that you first posted this two years ago almost.