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sylas
December 2nd 2006, 08:31 AM
{Tim} and I were TheologyWeb representatives at Bandecoot's funeral. This is my report of the day.

As background; many have asked what happened. Bandecoot – Julian Andrew Bentley – died very suddenly, at home in the evening, from an embolism – a blood clot. His leg had been a bit painful and swollen for a day or two, and apparently a clot broke loose from somewhere in there, and hit his heart. It was "thrombosis"; the same thing you can get from sitting too long on a long plane flight. His health had not been great, but this was not expected.

Before the funeral I printed out the "condolences" thread – all of it right up to message #43 which is still the last message in the thread as I look today. I printed it two posts to a page, using the "Garden" skin, and some editing of the image files to get a nice effect for printing. I also made up a header page, showing the picture we have of Bandecoot (taken during a recent trip to England) and some of his black helicopters like little bees in with the TheologyWeb flowers from the garden skin. Here is the header page:

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The whole printed thread – 23 pages – made up a little booklet, which I placed in a small binder with a clear cover to give to Kara.

I also ordered flowers. For this, I found a little florist near where I am staying in Brisbane, run by a young man with a real passion for arrangements. I explained the whole situation, and picked out a few blooms and colors. We went with lo-scent flowers (as I think Kara might have some allergies) and slightly non-traditional colours and arrangements, as I felt was the right thing for a guy like Bandecoot. Then I left it in his hands to put the final arrangement together. I was delighted with what they came up with: here is the end result.

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Of course, we had much more money available than was needed; so the remainder we put as a check to Kara, to go with a card.

Tim and I were a bit late getting away. We picked up the flowers, and then hit bad traffic on the freeway. While Tim negotiated the traffic, I got on the mobile to call ahead and tell them we were coming. Our contact was Craig Minns… and as it turns out he was in the same position; not far ahead of us on the road. So we had hopes they would wait for us.

They did start late. As Tim and I pulled into the car park we could hear the director just starting with a welcome to those who had come. We dashed up, Tim gave the flowers to one of the flunkeys there to help run the event, and we slid into a seat just in time.

This actually worked well; because the flowers were then taken to the front, and placed on top of the coffin, that had been standing alone at the front. There was very little else in the way of flowers at the chapel; so I was glad it worked out thus.

The service was in a crematorium south of Brisbane, in a pleasant Australian bush setting. The funeral director called himself an "irreverend reverend". It was not a religious service; although the chapel did have a large plain cross at the front, forming the frame of the window.

[attachment=3] From inside. Taken after the service, and after flowers were removed.
[attachment=4] From outside
[attachment=5] The grounds

For the service, the director spoke mostly about Andrew. He had all the details from Kara and others in the family. He mostly spoke very well, and Bandecoot was certainly recognizable. He did speak briefly of the hope for a life to come; but it was not a big theme.

After speaking, he then called on some of Andrew's friends to say a few words.

The first was Craig Minns. Craig was clearly finding it hard to hold things together, but he did a good job. He did point out that Andrew was quite positive this life was all the life he had, and that he had no expectation of anything else hereafter; and said a bit about what Andrew did with that life. And he said how much he missed him, already.

Then Aaron spoke; another friend of both Craig and Andrew.

Finally, I also was able to get up and say a few words. I spoke about how many people there were all over the world who thinking of Andrew at the moment; and also of his family and Kara especially. I backed up Craig's comment about Andrew's belief that this was the only life; but then noted how active he was on Christian forums and how well loved he was there. I tried to say that there were people of all kinds of beliefs, all sharing the memory of Andrew tonight; though the way it came out I think I basically said that Andrew was a guy who mingled with lots of different kinds of people.

I teased him a bit; I told the story of how I mistook him at first for a panhandler; but then how the depth and breadth of our conversations after that told another story. I said that his byline on TheologyWeb was "personifying hate" – and that none of us believed it. This was a story that a lot of people seemed to recognize as characteristic of his dark humour, and his deep humanity.

After we had all spoken, they played Pink Floyd, singing "Wish you were here". Then, after a time of silence, we left the chapel.

Kara was there, with her mum and her sister, and Andrew's father, and some others I didn't know. There were also quite a number of friends from the University, where Andrew worked and were he was also studying for a Bachelor degree in classics, I think. All up, I guess about twenty five people.

Tim and I gave Kara the booklet, and she was really blown away by that. Lots of people looked through it, and they were very impressed. It was well known that Andrew was active on the internet, but the booklet really brought that to life for people, letting them see the impact he had.

We had not had time to put together a card properly; but that was okay because everyone was invited back for refreshments to Kara and Andrew's home. Tim and I joined in. With Kara's permission, I was able to get a few shots. For example; this is where Bandecoot wrote his posts:

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Here is Kara, with her mum.

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While we were there, Tim and I were able to skulk off and finish up the card. We told Kara that we could have drowned the place in flowers with all the incredible response; but that everyone thought it was best to get one nice arrangement, and then present the remainder of the money raised to her directly, as a concrete sign of our concern. She was very happy to read about this, and accepted it in the spirit it was given.

The booklet was on a table… here is Aaron, flipping through.

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We were there for quite a while, and had a good chance to talk to a few folks. I had a chat to both Kara's mother and Bandecoot's father. When we left, everything seemed very well in hand. It was a mild summer night; and Kara and a whole lot of her girlfriends, mostly from the Uni, had settled in for the evening with a good set of supplies, on the verandah of their home. I commented that she seemed well looked after as I left, and a couple of people swiftly called out that they'd be sure to look after her. So I believe Kara is in very good hands, with friends who care about her and family all about. She seemed to be coping very well.

Here they all are, getting ready for what looks like a long session:

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Tim and I then went out by ourselves, to think over the events of the day; to toast Bandecoot, to find out a bit about each other, and to say lots of rude things about all the rest of you out there in web-land.

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Thanks so much for all you have done. Speaking for myself, I have been amazed at the response to Bandecoot; and I am sure many others have been as well. It was a great privilege to be able to go on behalf of all of you, and farewell Bandecoot, and pass on your love and concern to those dear to him, especially Kara; but also a lot of other folks we've not known directly.

Cheers -- Sylas

Johnny MacManky
December 2nd 2006, 09:40 AM
Sylas, Tim, thank you so much.

Meh_Gerbil
December 2nd 2006, 09:50 AM
Nice work sylas and tim.
The pics are appreciated.

SpinyNorman
December 2nd 2006, 09:54 AM
Tim and Sylas,

I am sure I can echo many thoughts of folks who will read this in thanking you for all you did. I feel our little cyber community was most faithfully and fully represented.

Though distance prevented us from being a part, your thoughtful words, along with the beautiful pictures have, made me feel a part of that.

Thank you.

Brian
(:spiny:)

Teallaura
December 2nd 2006, 10:00 AM
Thanks guys...

Rusty T
December 2nd 2006, 10:18 AM
Wow. thanks for the post.

Gideon Brown
December 2nd 2006, 10:43 AM
:thumb:

semmie
December 2nd 2006, 10:55 AM
:bawl:

thanks, guys.

Xmansmommy
December 2nd 2006, 11:14 AM
Sylas, Tim, I thank both of you for going and being the voice for all of us who could not be there personally. What a fitting song they played in remembrance of him. I was pleased to hear that the beautiful flower arrangement was placed on top of his coffin. That worked out perfectly. I thank all of you guys too, the TWeb community, for coming together to show love and compassion for Andrew's family. I miss him terribly already but I have wonderful memories that I will always cherish. Who could ask for anything more? :smile:

mossrose
December 2nd 2006, 11:23 AM
As the others have said, thank you both for representing us all so well.

:hug:

NeilUnreal
December 2nd 2006, 11:46 AM
Thanks to both of you; we could not have been better represented.

-Neil

Dee Dee Warren
December 2nd 2006, 12:03 PM
Sylas, I have read through your post multiple times now and looked at the pictures. Thank you so very much. It was nice to be able to put a face to Kara, and yes it seemed like she had a great bunch of gals to stay the night with her. I am very glad that she accepted our gift, and I know that booklet you made for her will be precious. Women are softies for stuff like that, even wannabe fiesty warrior princesses.

It is so comforting to know you and Tim were able to be there. It just would have been wrong if someone from this community could not have been.

DesertBerean
December 2nd 2006, 12:10 PM
Beautiful. I had forgot it would be summer down under.

I'm pleased that the family liked your booklet. It is a work of art and indeed a labor of love.

Thanks sylas. :smile:

Trout
December 2nd 2006, 01:16 PM
Thanks . . . I very much enjoyed your story. I really like the last picture in the set, it made me laugh.

Jawa Man
December 2nd 2006, 04:24 PM
That was awesome, Silas and Tim.

Minnesota
December 2nd 2006, 04:40 PM
Thank you for standing in for all of us and sharing the experience.

Jedidiah
December 2nd 2006, 04:56 PM
Good on you, guys.

HRG_new
December 2nd 2006, 05:26 PM
Thank you for representing all of us at the funeral of a great guy.

Best regards,
HRG.

Rubia Warren
December 2nd 2006, 06:24 PM
It was great to not only get detailed updates, but also to be able to get a glimpse into the more personal everyday life of Bandecoot.

You have always been such a sweet thoughful man, very sensitive to others, Sylas. Thank you very much. :flowers:

Rubia Warren
December 2nd 2006, 06:26 PM
Oh and {tim}, too, thank you. (but I am still pouting because of what you said about me. Hmph.)

Steadfastlove
December 2nd 2006, 06:49 PM
Thanx for the report Sylas, much appreciated.

Zeluvia
December 2nd 2006, 08:07 PM
Thank you both very much.

And the TWEB staff for bringing the site down for the day.

Dave G
December 2nd 2006, 08:23 PM
Thank you guys...the update is appreciated.

Telleriab2
December 2nd 2006, 11:05 PM
Thank you very much. All of you.

ih8censorship
December 3rd 2006, 01:35 PM
yeah its nice to see about how he was irl... and seeing a pic of his computer space was really nice :) but ya its good that his irl friends and family knew that he was loved across the globe by all sorts of people.

sc_q_jayce
December 3rd 2006, 02:48 PM
:)

technomage
December 3rd 2006, 02:57 PM
Dear heavens. Being offline, I completely missed this.

I will definitely miss Andrew, but I am glad for the time we had with him here.

rach12
December 3rd 2006, 06:02 PM
Thank you, Sylas. That was wonderful.

I'll miss you, Bande.

JardinPrayer
December 3rd 2006, 06:21 PM
Boy...when I said my tears were not yet spent, I must have really meant it. The coffin photo choked me up, but the one of the spot from where he spent so much time with us...and him not sitting there...really did me in.

Grief has become such a familiar thing to me these last few years....but it never gets easy.

Thank you, fellas. Most sincerely.

TheGreenMan
December 4th 2006, 03:05 AM
Thanks.

Didn't know him long but I am glad to have known him.

SteveF
December 4th 2006, 08:37 AM
Good work chaps.

Red Wine
December 4th 2006, 11:38 AM
:smile:

Roy
December 4th 2006, 12:27 PM
Thanks, Sylas. And {Tim} too.

Roy

sylas
December 4th 2006, 07:06 PM
A couple more pictures. This one is in the living room.

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Look at the top of the bookshelf.

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Also, here are three shots of the TheologyWeb flowers, so you get a better idea of what was sent.
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[attachment=4] - [attachment=5]

Cheers -- Sylas

spiritmech
December 4th 2006, 09:44 PM
Thanks, Sylas & Tim.
sm

Mrs Coot
December 6th 2006, 10:01 PM
Dear T-Webbers,

I don't know if this is the best place to post this, but it seems as good a place as any.

I wish to thank everyone who contributed kind words, kind thoughts, and flowers to Andrew's (Bandecoot's) memorial. I was very moved by the response of people on TheologyWeb, and will cherish the beautiful memorial booklet forever.

Did Andrew ever tell you guys how he came to use the name Bandecoot here? If not here is the little story. When Andrew and I first started going out together, 15 years ago, he had a lot of cute little names for me, some good, some foolish, but I knew he meant well by them. I was not the sort of person to use terms of endearment much, but I began to see the need to call Andrew something other than his name. And one day he turned to me with a slightly startled and rather inquisitive look on his face, as a result of something he had been reading, and I immediatley thought he looked like a squirrel. And so, later on I called him 'Squirrel.' Well I am sure you're all familiar with Andrew's bouts of righteous indignation over things and, well he didn't take too kindly to being called a Squirrel. With a look of contempt he responded with - "Hmnff, I am not a Squirrel - I don't carry nuts in my cheeks!" And so, since I was determined by this stage that Andrew had to be a small furry animal, I changed the name to Bandicoot, and he seemed to approve of that. Generally, whenever I called him for anything I called him "Bandy" or "Coot." Some people thought it strange, but we didn't care.

Anyhow, I've rambled enough for the moment. Thanks again guys, and maybe I'll pop in to TWeb from time to time.

:smile:

Johnny MacManky
December 6th 2006, 10:06 PM
:worldapart: You named him well. Somehow 'Mr Munchkin' just wouldn't have sounded right for Bande... Not that I know anyone whose wife sometimes calls him Mr Munchkin... aw heck... :outtie:

Rubia Warren
December 6th 2006, 10:16 PM
Thank you for sharing him with us, Mrs. Coot. Take care. :flowers:

Xmansmommy
December 6th 2006, 10:24 PM
Dear T-Webbers,

I don't know if this is the best place to post this, but it seems as good a place as any.

I wish to thank everyone who contributed kind words, kind thoughts, and flowers to Andrew's (Bandecoot's) memorial. I was very moved by the response of people on TheologyWeb, and will cherish the beautiful memorial booklet forever.

Did Andrew ever tell you guys how he came to use the name Bandecoot here? If not here is the little story. When Andrew and I first started going out together, 15 years ago, he had a lot of cute little names for me, some good, some foolish, but I knew he meant well by them. I was not the sort of person to use terms of endearment much, but I began to see the need to call Andrew something other than his name. And one day he turned to me with a slightly startled and rather inquisitive look on his face, as a result of something he had been reading, and I immediatley thought he looked like a squirrel. And so, later on I called him 'Squirrel.' Well I am sure you're all familiar with Andrew's bouts of righteous indignation over things and, well he didn't take too kindly to being called a Squirrel. With a look of contempt he responded with - "Hmnff, I am not a Squirrel - I don't carry nuts in my cheeks!" And so, since I was determined by this stage that Andrew had to be a small furry animal, I changed the name to Bandicoot, and he seemed to approve of that. Generally, whenever I called him for anything I called him "Bandy" or "Coot." Some people thought it strange, but we didn't care.

Anyhow, I've rambled enough for the moment. Thanks again guys, and maybe I'll pop in to TWeb from time to time.

:smile:

Dearest Kara,

What a lovely story! No, he never mentioned to me how he got the name and I am happy to learn now. I have to tell you though, that I busted a gut at the, "I don't carry nuts in my cheeks!" comment. Thanks for sharing a little more about the man we all knew and loved. And thanks for sharing a little about yourself with us. We certainly welcome you to come back and join us anytime. :hug:

Peace,
Linda

luv1another
December 6th 2006, 10:40 PM
thankyou Kara for sharing that I never knew how he got his name. Its awesome to have you among us :hug:

thankyou sylas and tim for representing us and sylas for making our condolences look wonderful and presenting them so well.

JardinPrayer
December 6th 2006, 10:53 PM
Wow. How cool would it be if Mrs. Coot became a regular TWebber? You're welcome here any time, Kara! And, you don't even have to do a Bandecoot impression or anything...just let us get to know you!

Brandalf85
December 6th 2006, 10:53 PM
Dear Mrs. Coot,

Thank you for your comments. We hope you will post often! Thank you for the story! It was nice to hear. I hadn't heard it before. :hug:

mossrose
December 6th 2006, 11:00 PM
Kara, thank you for bringing a little bit more of Andrew here to us. You are welcome here whenever you wish.

:hug:

:pray:

RumTumTugger
December 7th 2006, 01:19 AM
Like everyone else has mentioned we hadn't heard the story before, Thank you so much for sharing. and please do make yourself at home here.

George Blaisdell
December 8th 2006, 08:52 PM
Thank-you Sylas and Tim...

Good-bye and God-Speed, Bandy... You are in my prayers...

Thank-you Kara... God bless you and keep you...

I named my only daughter Kira, and if I had had twins, the other would have been named Kara... It is my second most favorite name in the whole world...

I had a great feel for Bandy, listening to his voice on Pal Talk... Though I did not know him well, I loved him... His life, and the lives of those who were his, are important to me... So please consider yourself a beneficiary of even more prayers in your behalf... T-Web is a wonderful little community, and I think you can already sense your utter welcome here...

Arsenios

SpinyNorman
December 8th 2006, 09:06 PM
Mrs. Coot,

thanks for sharing your husband with us.

In a world full of copies he was a true original.

:spiny:

Dee Dee Warren
December 17th 2006, 02:47 PM
It turns out in the final accounting we have some additional funds to send to Kara. I have a card for her that I have temporarily misplaced and have been dreadfully ill some with evil Atlanta virus. I have to find otu about how to get an international money order. Can anyone advise me on that? Please do so by PM.

Kelp
December 18th 2006, 02:11 AM
tim and Sylas, that was really great of you guys to do that, wonderful job. :D

Kara, thank you for sharing that. Your husband was a wonderful man and we will all miss him very much. You and all his family are in my prayers. :hug:

I look forward to seeing you on Tweb if you decide to come. :smile:


Nick

Dee Dee Warren
December 25th 2006, 04:41 PM
I have the money order purchased and am going to the main post office next week to mail to her.

I dreamed of bandecoot last night, I really miss him on Paltalk.

sylas
January 27th 2007, 12:59 AM
Last week I was back in Brisbane for a few personal matters of my own. While there, I took the opportunity to catch up with Bandecoot's friends and family.

Kara is getting on ok. She and Bandecoot were renting their house; which is now more than she needs. She will be moving with her mother for a while; and is gradually getting around to clearing out things in the house. I spoke to her on the phone; she was happy to hear from me. I gather Dee Dee was also in touch after the funeral. So here's a hello and thank you from Kara to all the Theology Web mob. It really meant a lot what you did as a community.

Just over a week before he died, Andrew's made a project was chasing up the documentation on a story about a pterodactyl; and received an original copy of a nineteenth century issue of London Illustrated News. I've suggested Kara send that on to me; I'm planning to make it into a kind of memento and also to make copies available to some websites that were tracking the story. Bandecoot promised to scan it for us; and never was able to complete the project. (Ref: msg #68 of thread "Pterasaurs and AIG" (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?p=1723295#post1723295).)

I also dropped in on one of Andrew's friends; who spoke at the funeral. Craig Minns; who was also the one who passed on the first news to Dee Dee. Craig knew Bandecoot as a child; they both grew up in Papua New Guinea. Bandecoot's dad ran a pub there in a little town inland towards the highlands, I think. Craig and I had a good chat and shared a few stories. He noted also how remarkable it was the impact Andrew had on-line. Craig runs the sawmill (Eco-timber) in Brisbane where Bandecoot sometimes dropped in; and for whom he also sometimes cut timber on-site. (Eg: thread "I hurt")

Cheers -- Sylas

SpinyNorman
January 27th 2007, 01:02 AM
Thanks for the update Sylas.

Bandecoot would have liked Tweb 3.0 I think.

Still miss the old codger.

mossrose
January 27th 2007, 01:08 AM
Thank you, sylas.

Gabby
January 27th 2007, 01:30 AM
Thanks Sylas, it good to hear these things.

luv1another
January 27th 2007, 01:35 AM
thanks sylas...doh and now I am crying again :sigh:

HRG_new
January 27th 2007, 03:41 PM
Thank you for your news. There are many threads - here and on other boards - where I sadly miss Bandecoot's rational response and dry wit.

Best regards, HRG.

Telleriab2
January 27th 2007, 03:49 PM
Thank you for the update, Sylas.

Captain Ochre
January 27th 2007, 06:20 PM
Thanks for representin'.

luv1another
January 28th 2007, 07:25 AM
I stuck the thread for a bit so anyone who hasnt seen it can and it doesnt get lost in the spam threads :sad:

Sparko
February 6th 2007, 11:36 AM
durn I am tearing up again. must be something in my eye.

SpinyNorman
February 6th 2007, 12:28 PM
durn I am tearing up again. must be something in my eye.

I can hear Bandecoot now.

"Get over it you fat pirate! I've been dead for 3 months now. Move on for crimeny's sake!!"

LOL

Sparko
February 6th 2007, 02:28 PM
I think it is so appropriate that both an atheist and a Christian went to represent TWEB at the funeral.

luv1another
July 21st 2007, 02:50 AM
anyone know how bandecoots wife is doing?

Alucard
December 20th 2007, 12:44 AM
Which Brisbane? California or Australia?

DesertBerean
December 20th 2007, 12:46 AM
Australia.

Alucard
December 20th 2007, 12:57 AM
That's where I am!

:O

Alucard
December 20th 2007, 01:48 AM
So, uh... who else from Brisbane is here?

Storico
December 20th 2007, 01:53 AM
Scade, welcome to Theologyweb. This thread is, mostly, a memorial to a friend of many of those who post here. I know you meant well, but you might want to consider asking demographic questions about where others are from in another thread. This one's for Bandecoot. :smile:

And everyone, HAS anyone heard from Kara?

lao tzu
December 20th 2007, 02:04 AM
Scade, welcome to Theologyweb. This thread is, mostly, a memorial to a friend of many of those who post here. I know you meant well, but you might want to consider asking demographic questions about where others are from in another thread. This one's for Bandecoot. :smile:

And everyone, HAS anyone heard from Kara?

I haven't seen sylas posting much lately, but I think dropping a PM on him would be your best bet.

:sad:

Storico
December 20th 2007, 02:12 AM
Okay, thanks, Jesse.

$cirisme
December 20th 2007, 02:12 AM
Scade, welcome to Theologyweb. This thread is, mostly, a memorial to a friend of many of those who post here. I know you meant well, but you might want to consider asking demographic questions about where others are from in another thread. This one's for Bandecoot. :smile:

And everyone, HAS anyone heard from Kara?
TWeb recently received an email from Kara thanking us for an automated email that she got. We took this opportunity to let her know that we were still thinking of her and if there is anything we could do to just ask, but we have not heard anything back.

Storico
December 20th 2007, 02:15 AM
Oh, thank you for the update. I hope you do hear from her if she does need anything. And it would be good to see her drop by, too.

$cirisme
December 20th 2007, 02:22 AM
Yes, I do hope we hear from her. I would hope that being connected with a community that one's husband was part of would be deeply healing, but I am sure it might be hard to bring up those memories too. I am just glad we heard from her, however brief it was.

Kara, if you do happen to come across this, know that we do care and hope (and pray) for the best for you. Feel free to drop by and just say hi if you feel comfortable.

Alucard
December 20th 2007, 02:37 AM
Scade, welcome to Theologyweb. This thread is, mostly, a memorial to a friend of many of those who post here. I know you meant well, but you might want to consider asking demographic questions about where others are from in another thread. This one's for Bandecoot. :smile:

And everyone, HAS anyone heard from Kara?

Ah. Oh.

I didn't read the opening post closely, and I thought it was talking about somebody's pet.

But yes, sorry, if you want to have someone delete my posts or move them elsewhere, that's cool. I'll continue elsewhere.

Nicholas
December 20th 2007, 01:43 PM
Thank you Sylas and Tim.

I wish I had gotten to know Bandecoot better here.

SpinyNorman
December 20th 2007, 02:02 PM
I didn't read the opening post closely, and I thought it was talking about somebody's pet.
.


Ahhh...Bandecoot would have found that hilarious...

NeilUnreal
December 20th 2007, 02:14 PM
Ahhh...Bandecoot would have found that hilarious...

I agree. :lol:

And I miss Bandecoot. :sad:

-Neil

Telleriab2
December 30th 2007, 11:27 AM
I miss Bande's taunting of my love of cheesy European Pop. He did it so elegantly...