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Catholicity
11-18-2015, 10:44 AM
http://petapixel.com/2015/11/16/photoshopped-selfie-of-sikh-man-widely-published-as-paris-terrorist/

Just so people can look. Obviously Sikhs aren't Muslim. So what is the religion where you see Indian Men with Beards and Ornate Turbans?

Its definately not Islam. They are Sikh. In fact Sikhism is the fifth largest world religion, and Monotheistic. Sikh's are very adamant about being neither muslim nor Hindu.

Here is a short Summary of Sikh beliefs and a brief overview of the religion:

The religion came about with a gentlemen in the mid-15th century who was hindu born and was religious. He was from the Punjab area and after some time, of education and philosophy he concluded that:

1) There was one Supreme creator- God with no form or gender.
2) Everyone can access this God and have a relationship with God.
3) All genders are equal before God
4) The way to have this relationship is by prayer, meditation, live honestly, generously, and within the community
5) empty ritual, superstition and idol worship are vain and of no value/sinful before God
6)Ultimate Salvation or being with God is not earned but given through God's grace and a person's attention must be on God at all times for him to bestow this grace, other wise a person will be stuck in the reincarnation cycle until they can live with God forever.
7) They do believe in Karma
8) there is no hell.
9) They have no name for God but call him Supreme.
10) respect other religions, believing them to be partially correct.
11) Believe their God at the end will crush hindu the god of death.

They don't cut their hair, and believe it is sacred but I can't remember the reason for this. So next time you see a guy in a turbin covering all of his hair, be sure to shake their hand and say hello and don't accuse them of terrorism.

Sparko
11-18-2015, 11:11 AM
I smell a lawsuit against the media outlets for publishing it without checking.

rogue06
11-19-2015, 05:42 AM
If you believe that there are other gods...



11) Believe their God at the end will crush hindu the god of death.

...are you truly monotheistic? :nsm:

Cerebrum123
11-19-2015, 05:53 AM
If you believe that there are other gods...




...are you truly monotheistic? :nsm:

You know, I wasn't thinking when I hit the amen button. There are examples in the Bible that refer to "other gods". So, it depends on context.

robrecht
11-19-2015, 06:08 AM
I know several Sikhs quite well. A young Sikh man was working for me during 9/11. His family was very concerned for his safety because almost everyone assumed he must be some kind of radical Muslim on account of his turban. Very nice family. Very good family. His grandfather had been something of a theologian and written a book about their religious beliefs.

One Bad Pig
11-19-2015, 06:14 AM
http://petapixel.com/2015/11/16/photoshopped-selfie-of-sikh-man-widely-published-as-paris-terrorist/

Just so people can look. Obviously Sikhs aren't Muslim. So what is the religion where you see Indian Men with Beards and Ornate Turbans?

Its definately not Islam. They are Sikh. In fact Sikhism is the fifth largest world religion, and Monotheistic. Sikh's are very adamant about being neither muslim nor Hindu.

Here is a short Summary of Sikh beliefs and a brief overview of the religion:

The religion came about with a gentlemen in the mid-15th century who was hindu born and was religious. He was from the Punjab area and after some time, of education and philosophy he concluded that:

1) There was one Supreme creator- God with no form or gender.
2) Everyone can access this God and have a relationship with God.
3) All genders are equal before God
4) The way to have this relationship is by prayer, meditation, live honestly, generously, and within the community
5) empty ritual, superstition and idol worship are vain and of no value/sinful before God
6)Ultimate Salvation or being with God is not earned but given through God's grace and a person's attention must be on God at all times for him to bestow this grace, other wise a person will be stuck in the reincarnation cycle until they can live with God forever.
7) They do believe in Karma
8) there is no hell.
9) They have no name for God but call him Supreme.
10) respect other religions, believing them to be partially correct.
11) Believe their God at the end will crush hindu the god of death.

They don't cut their hair, and believe it is sacred but I can't remember the reason for this. So next time you see a guy in a turbin covering all of his hair, be sure to shake their hand and say hello and don't accuse them of terrorism.
India is far from predominately Muslim. The problem is that people have difficulty distinguishing between Indians and Arabs.

rogue06
11-19-2015, 06:24 AM
I know several Sikhs quite well. A young Sikh man was working for me during 9/11. His family was very concerned for his safety because almost everyone assumed he must be some kind of radical Muslim on account of his turban. Very nice family. Very good family. His grandfather had been something of a theologian and written a book about their religious beliefs.
Dated one back in the late 90s. Nice girl -- usually.

rogue06
11-19-2015, 06:29 AM
India is far from predominately Muslim. The problem is that people have difficulty distinguishing between Indians and Arabs.
Around 80% Hindu.




11500

Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_India) gives slightly different numbers.

mossrose
11-19-2015, 07:00 AM
Anybody looking at a Sikh's turban and the headgear of a Muslim would be able to tell the difference immediatly.

Besides, most Muslims, aside from their women, don't even wear headgear unless it is to cover their faces.

Raphael
11-19-2015, 12:30 PM
http://petapixel.com/2015/11/16/photoshopped-selfie-of-sikh-man-widely-published-as-paris-terrorist/

Just so people can look. Obviously Sikhs aren't Muslim. So what is the religion where you see Indian Men with Beards and Ornate Turbans?

Its definately not Islam. They are Sikh. In fact Sikhism is the fifth largest world religion, and Monotheistic. Sikh's are very adamant about being neither muslim nor Hindu.

Here is a short Summary of Sikh beliefs and a brief overview of the religion:

The religion came about with a gentlemen in the mid-15th century who was hindu born and was religious. He was from the Punjab area and after some time, of education and philosophy he concluded that:

1) There was one Supreme creator- God with no form or gender.
2) Everyone can access this God and have a relationship with God.
3) All genders are equal before God
4) The way to have this relationship is by prayer, meditation, live honestly, generously, and within the community
5) empty ritual, superstition and idol worship are vain and of no value/sinful before God
6)Ultimate Salvation or being with God is not earned but given through God's grace and a person's attention must be on God at all times for him to bestow this grace, other wise a person will be stuck in the reincarnation cycle until they can live with God forever.
7) They do believe in Karma
8) there is no hell.
9) They have no name for God but call him Supreme.
10) respect other religions, believing them to be partially correct.
11) Believe their God at the end will crush hindu the god of death.

They don't cut their hair, and believe it is sacred but I can't remember the reason for this. So next time you see a guy in a turbin covering all of his hair, be sure to shake their hand and say hello and don't accuse them of terrorism.

They are also to at all times to carry the kirpan (varies from a small knife to a sword) upon their persons symbolically in order defend all those who are persecuted, regardless of race, creed, colour etc. This was started after muslim persecution of Sikhs.

And the hair is because they believe it represents the perfection of God's creation.

Catholicity
11-19-2015, 02:22 PM
They are also to at all times to carry the kirpan (varies from a small knife to a sword) upon their persons symbolically in order defend all those who are persecuted, regardless of race, creed, colour etc. This was started after muslim persecution of Sikhs.

And the hair is because they believe it represents the perfection of God's creation.

Thanks, I was reading about the kirpan, but I had forgotten the hair. My first ever encounter with someone who was sikh was a family that moved into our neighborhood from India because of a job opportunity. I went to school and became close friends with the daughters, other than that I wouldn't know anything about the religion, or have much of a reason to learn, unless I was for some reason to go visit India.

Raphael
11-19-2015, 10:20 PM
Thanks, I was reading about the kirpan, but I had forgotten the hair. My first ever encounter with someone who was sikh was a family that moved into our neighborhood from India because of a job opportunity. I went to school and became close friends with the daughters, other than that I wouldn't know anything about the religion, or have much of a reason to learn, unless I was for some reason to go visit India.

I know a number of Sikhs.

One Bad Pig
11-20-2015, 09:10 AM
I know a number of Sikhs.

Yes, but do you know any sick Sikh Sheikhs?

mossrose
11-20-2015, 09:30 AM
Yes, but do you know any sick Sikh Sheikhs?

No. But my son created a rock band in his video game called Cheap Sheep Cheese.

Does that count?

rogue06
11-20-2015, 01:30 PM
Yes, but do you know any sick Sikh Sheikhs?
Ah, but the sixth sick sheik's sixth sheep's sick. I can say that three times fast :smug:

KingsGambit
11-23-2015, 04:44 AM
Anybody looking at a Sikh's turban and the headgear of a Muslim would be able to tell the difference immediatly.

Besides, most Muslims, aside from their women, don't even wear headgear unless it is to cover their faces.

I think the kind of people who would do things like this aren't that smart:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/10/terrorist-go-back-to-your-country-attacker-yelled-in-alleged-assault-of-sikh-man/

Catholicity
11-23-2015, 07:37 AM
I think the kind of people who would do things like this aren't that smart:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2015/09/10/terrorist-go-back-to-your-country-attacker-yelled-in-alleged-assault-of-sikh-man/

I see this stuff and my mind immediately goes to my friends. One of whom devoutly chose to wear a Dastaar (head wrap tied feminine style) It sickens me that people have the need to be so hateful.