Understanding Genesis 1&2

[4Pillars]

Here's my take ....

Genesis 1:1 is actually a preface - The Story of the Beginning of Creation.

Genesis 1:2 narrate us the condition of the deep BEFORE the actual making of the physical heaven and earth in the beginning.

"In the beginning God Created the heaven and the Earth. v2 And the Earth was without form, (Dust) and void; (Empty) and darkness (Death) was upon the face of the deep, and the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

Genesis 1:3 document us the bringing forth of the "Word" (Light) into this physical world BEFORE anything is made -- to turn the condition of the deep (empty) from darkness (death) to light (life).

The brightness of the glory of the Son provided that Light in the beginning (ALPHA) ref. Gen. 1:3 as he will also provide the Light in the end (OMEGA) ref. Rev. 21:23.

Genesis 1:4 God divided the Light from the darkness before the start of any creation - the first work of old.

Genesis 1:5 Light Day and Night - the 1st. Day.

Based on the above analogy and reconciliation of Scriptures, seemingly, the heaven and earth were still null & void (non-existence) at this time (Gen.1:1-5) do you agree?

The actual formation of the first heaven took place only on the 2nd. day and the earth was made on the 3rd day - not Genesis 1:1 as others would like us to believe.

Your thought please.....


God Bless

[4Pillars]

Based strictly on my reconciliation of the Scripture - THIS IS THE STORY OF THE BEGINNING - before God created our heaven and the earth, ref. (Genesis 1:1)

Note: Insertions are mine for clarity of thoughts.

In the beginning was the Word (Light), and the Word was with God (Father), and the Word was God (Son). John 1:1

The LORD possessed me in the beginning of his way, before his works of old. Proverbs 8:22

And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. Genesis 1:2

The same was in the beginning with God. John 1:2

I was set up from everlasting, from the beginning, or ever the earth was. Proverbs 8:23

And God said, Let there be light: and there was light. Genesis 1:3

All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. John 1:3

When there were no depths, I was brought forth; when there were no fountains abounding with water. Proverbs 8:24

And God saw the light, that it was good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Genesis 1:4

In him was life; and the life was the light of men. John 1:4

Before the mountains were settled, before the hills was I brought forth: Proverbs 8:25

And God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And the evening and the morning were the first day. Genesis 1:5

And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. John 1:5

Note: As we can see, based on the reconciliation of the 3 witnesses (Scriptures) above, the text is actually documenting us the bringing forth of the “WORD” (True Light) into our physical world from the invisible realm of his Father (Genesis 1:3) to turn the condition of the Deep from darkness (death) to light (life) – BEFORE anything is made that was made in the beginning.

Also notice that the first heaven and the earth, at this time - ref. Genesis 1:1-5 - were still null and void and did not exist yet -- refuting Gap Theory’ wild imaginations NOT supported by the Scripture.

God Bless

[4Pillars]

Gen. 1:6-8 shows that the Firmament or Heaven, as God calls it in Gen. 1:8 was formed on the 2nd Day.

The narrative of Gen. 1:1-2 is speaking of the period BEFORE the 1st Day.

Jesus speaks of this time, in the Garden of Gethsemane:

And now, O Father, glorify thou Me with Thine Own Self with the Glory which I had with Thee BEFORE the world was." John 17:5

If one believes that In the beginning God created the Heavens (Plural) BEFORE the 1st Day, then the Words of Jesus would seem to be in error.

If one believes that the 1st Firmament or Heaven was formed on the 2nd Day, then it would agree with Jesus, and would show that Jesus came into the World Before the 1st Heaven was formed.

I am certainly not a Hebrew scholar, but I would point to the meaning of "Heaven" as shown by Strong's.

08064 shamayim {shaw-mah'-yim} dual of an unused singular shameh
{shaw-meh'}

from an unused root meaning to be lofty; TWOT - 2407a; n m

AV - heaven 398, air 21

Both meanings show that the word is Singular, and this agrees with the rest of Genesis Chapter 1. Gen. 2:4-5 show us that the other "Heavens" (Plural) were formed on the 3rd Day.

Before someone get the idea that I think that Jesus was created, I would point you to the words of Jesus which show that He had a "Glory" or Brightness, Before the world was. This is a physical manifestation and shows that Jesus came forth, physically, from the invisible realm of his Father when God said, Let there be Light.

God Bless

[bigsplit]

I agree that the earth did not yet exist in Gen. 1. It was void. God created the light and divided it from the darkness.....and through this all things were made. There was a paradigm generated by the division of the light and the darkness and this is the source of all physical and spiritual dynamics.

[KBertsche]

I agree that the earth did not yet exist in Gen. 1. It was void. God created the light and divided it from the darkness.....and through this all things were made. There was a paradigm generated by the division of the light and the darkness and this is the source of all physical and spiritual dynamics.

The "heavens and earth" in 1:1 is generally seen as a "merism" (a Hebrew figure of speech) for "everything". Thus the text implies that everything was created in v. 1, but the creation was not quite finished yet. The way I see it, the rest of the chapter is the account of God putting the "final touches" on His raw creation of v. 1.

Grammatically, each day starts with "And God said". So Day 1 would start in v. 3, as others have noted in this thread. Verses 1 and 2 may be immediately before Day 1, or may be long before it.

Kirk

[Theologic]

I agree that the earth did not yet exist in Gen. 1. It was void. God created the light and divided it from the darkness.....and through this all things were made. There was a paradigm generated by the division of the light and the darkness and this is the source of all physical and spiritual dynamics.

For us that want to accept the Big Bang.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

The best guess we have today of the Big Bang is a singularity that exploded from nothingness. (There was a day without a yesterday according to secular science.) This unfolded into the space we now know.

For all practical purpose, the first explosion would be all "light" as the everything is the same particle (quark-gluon plasma), and we break the symmetry. Once the universe expands a bit, the particles settle into Hydrogen (Nucleosynthesis ). The Universe then would go black until we formed stars from the cosmic dust.

Therefore, there was light, there was darkness. The first non-24 hour day. (For us OEC.)

Before the Big Bang, there is a hypothesis that a Multiverse exists, and it may well look like "the waters."

Theo

[bigsplit]

For us that want to accept the Big Bang.

3 And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. 4 God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light "day," and the darkness he called "night." And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

The best guess we have today of the Big Bang is a singularity that exploded from nothingness. (There was a day without a yesterday according to secular science.) This unfolded into the space we now know.

For all practical purpose, the first explosion would be all "light" as the everything is the same particle (quark-gluon plasma), and we break the symmetry. Once the universe expands a bit, the particles settle into Hydrogen (Nucleosynthesis ). The Universe then would go black until we formed stars from the cosmic dust.

Therefore, there was light, there was darkness. The first non-24 hour day. (For us OEC.)

Before the Big Bang, there is a hypothesis that a Multiverse exists, and it may well look like "the waters."

Theo

Well, I have a different take on the Big Bang. I believe the waters were a brane and that brane decayed (split into light and darkness).