Secular psychology is bogus

[Carico]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

The only solution to the human condition is Jesus. Human nature trying to fix human nature is the blind leading the blind. A fallible human being cannot fix the fallible human being. Only the truh sets us free. When we admit out envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, pride, glutony, and other sin, Jesus replaces them with love and forgiveness and we are truly free. :smile:

I can't count the people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists. For example, so many people have been misdiagnosed as bipolar because psychiatrists have pills for that, so they are pharmaceutically lobotmized and have to remain dependant on those drugs for the rest of their lives and those drugs still don't alleviate all of their symptoms! In fact, in some cases, they create side-effects that are worse than the symptoms they had before they took the drugs! One of the biggest ironies is that some of the side-effects of anti-depressant medications cause people to commit suicide! :lol:

So wll we need is Christ. :smile:

[James Peter]

And I can't count the number of seriously ill people who have been messed up because people have refused to accept that they are ill and need help beyond saying "I'll pray for you."

Doctors certainly make mistakes but the solution is better medicine, not no medicine at all...

[Carico]

And I can't count the number of seriously ill people who have been messed up because people have refused to accept that they are ill and need help beyond saying "I'll pray for you."

Doctors certainly make mistakes but the solution is better medicine, not no medicine at all...

Sorry but those who don't have the Holy Spirit and refuse to become Christians have no other option but to be pharmaceutically lobotmized and live with the side-effects of their mdeication which as I said, in some cases are worse than the medication! So "I'll pray for you" is not enough. Being born again is the only sure cure to the illnesses of the mind. Doctors certainly can't know what a delusion is until they first know what the truth is. :lol: And the truth is not that humans created the universe, apes bred human beings and man is infallible. So once again, a fallible mind cannot cure fallibility. :wink:

[technomage]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

The only solution to the human condition is Jesus. Human nature trying to fix human nature is the blind leading the blind. A fallible human being cannot fix the fallible human being. Only the truh sets us free. When we admit out envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, pride, glutony, and other sin, Jesus replaces them with love and forgiveness and we are truly free. :smile:

I can't count the people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists. For example, so many people have been misdiagnosed as bipolar because psychiatrists have pills for that, so they are pharmaceutically lobotmized and have to remain dependant on those drugs for the rest of their lives and those drugs still don't alleviate all of their symptoms! In fact, in some cases, they create side-effects that are worse than the symptoms they had before they took the drugs! One of the biggest ironies is that some of the side-effects of anti-depressant medications cause people to commit suicide! :lol:

So wll we need is Christ. :smile:
Welcome to my ignore list, Carico. Bye now.

[squarepants]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

The only solution to the human condition is Jesus. Human nature trying to fix human nature is the blind leading the blind. A fallible human being cannot fix the fallible human being. Only the truh sets us free. When we admit out envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, pride, glutony, and other sin, Jesus replaces them with love and forgiveness and we are truly free. :smile:

I can't count the people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists. For example, so many people have been misdiagnosed as bipolar because psychiatrists have pills for that, so they are pharmaceutically lobotmized and have to remain dependant on those drugs for the rest of their lives and those drugs still don't alleviate all of their symptoms! In fact, in some cases, they create side-effects that are worse than the symptoms they had before they took the drugs! One of the biggest ironies is that some of the side-effects of anti-depressant medications cause people to commit suicide! :lol:

So wll we need is Christ. :smile:


I can understand what you mean. Well, kind of. You are 100% correct when you say that it is God who can REALLY solve problems. That is true. However, imo, I don't see anything wrong with wanting or needing to talk to another human being about a problem. Humans aren't perfect, that is true, BUT sometimes we CAN and DO help others by the advice we give, and that includes pyschiatrists. YOu also have to consider what people are supposed to do if they don't believe in a god (even though that might be hard for some to fathom). You can't really expect people who fall into that category to "pray" to something they don't believe in. Thus, they must consider other options. I'm not really sure it's fair to call psychiatrists "witch doctors" JUST because they prescribe pills. You might as well throw medical doctors into the same category based on that. You forget the fact that the patient has a right not to fill a prescription if they don't want to. All the doc did was write it. They don't hold guns to people's heads (i hope not. lol). You also need to realize that some people WANT to take pills for their problems. How is that anybody else's fault?

[Johnny MacManky]

Welcome to my ignore list, Carico. Bye now.

:yeahthat:

Either you are talking rubbish, or Jesus hates me, this I know, cause Carico says it's so.

[NeilUnreal]

Witch doctors (i.e. Shamans) tend to be excellent psychologists.

-Neil

[technomage]

Witch doctors (i.e. Shamans) tend to be excellent psychologists.

-Neil
Ooh! Eee! Ooh! Ah-ah! :me:

[NeilUnreal]

Ooh! Eee! Ooh! Ah-ah!

:eek: :lol:

Shamans do sometimes use psychological control over other members of the tribe or other tribes.

However, in a broader context of human history, shamanism comprises some of the first attempts to understand and (especially important) formalize knowledge about human internal conditions and their relation to the external world. Which is a pretty darn good description of psychology.

-Neil

[Storico]

Sorry but those who don't have the Holy Spirit and refuse to become Christians have no other option but to be pharmaceutically lobotmized and live with the side-effects of their mdeication which as I said, in some cases are worse than the medication! So "I'll pray for you" is not enough. Being born again is the only sure cure to the illnesses of the mind. Doctors certainly can't know what a delusion is until they first know what the truth is. :lol: And the truth is not that humans created the universe, apes bred human beings and man is infallible. So once again, a fallible mind cannot cure fallibility. :wink:

What would you say to the born-again Christian who loves Christ and STILL has mental afflictions anyhow? That they weren't saved enough? Or at all? That they were deluded? :ahem: I'm glad you live in a fantasy, Carico. It must really be nice to put the God-without-human-intervention bandaid on everything, and if God has healed you of everything in your life without help... without medicine, without counselling.. good for you. Just keep living. You might whistle a different tune later when you've travelled around the sun a bit more. For your sake, I hope you never run into a medical crisis. I'm not sure how well you'd be able to take it if you ever got to the point where you were at the end of your rope even if you did believe in Christ.

By the way, absolutely nobody says humans created the universe, that apes bred humans or that man is infallible. Except for your misconceptions, of course, which state all of the above.

I'm with Johnny and ACOM.

[James Peter]

Exactly Storico. Christians get ill too, mentally and physically (there often isn't a clear divide between the two) and sometimes God just doesn't heal them for whatever reason. Its hardly helpful to tell such people that they aren't really saved, that they don't really believe enough or that God doesn't love them.

[Storico]

Exactly Storico. Christians get ill too, mentally and physically (there often isn't a clear divide between the two) and sometimes God just doesn't heal them for whatever reason. Its hardly helpful to tell such people that they aren't really saved, that they don't really believe enough or that God doesn't love them.

I'll get all controversal and say that I don't think God heals any one faith or non-faith group any more than any other. It doesn't seem to be the case that Christians are healthier than anyone else, not by a long shot. If God provides something to Christians, it's what I think MANY people who believe in a God (of any religion) feel when they're wrestling with mental or physical illness: hope that they'll get better, and a belief that they're not alone. That hope and that belief are probably very good medicine for people who believe God is "their healer". It's just silly to say that's the ONLY medicine, and particularly to say it's the only medicine that works, or SHOULD work.

[Carico]

I can understand what you mean. Well, kind of. You are 100% correct when you say that it is God who can REALLY solve problems. That is true. However, imo, I don't see anything wrong with wanting or needing to talk to another human being about a problem. Humans aren't perfect, that is true, BUT sometimes we CAN and DO help others by the advice we give, and that includes pyschiatrists. YOu also have to consider what people are supposed to do if they don't believe in a god (even though that might be hard for some to fathom). You can't really expect people who fall into that category to "pray" to something they don't believe in. Thus, they must consider other options. I'm not really sure it's fair to call psychiatrists "witch doctors" JUST because they prescribe pills. You might as well throw medical doctors into the same category based on that. You forget the fact that the patient has a right not to fill a prescription if they don't want to. All the doc did was write it. They don't hold guns to people's heads (i hope not. lol). You also need to realize that some people WANT to take pills for their problems. How is that anybody else's fault?

Again, if they refuse to come to Christ, then all they can do is be pharmaceutically lobotomized by psychiatrists. It's that simple. If you notice on the commercials for anti-dpressants, they make the statement that 70% of people on anti-dpressants are still depressed. :shocked: Hello? Is someone out there? That's a serious indicator that anti-depressants don't work.

And the reason that psychotropic drugs are no different than cocaine, marijuana or any street drug, the sole purpose of which is to mask unhappiness, is because all psychiatrists can do is see what's happening in the brain when someone's depressed or hallcinating, etc. But that doesn't at all prove that that is the cause of their unhappiness. That's no different than seeing how tears are formed and giving people drugs to stop their tears instead of finding out the cause of their tears. :ahem:

So again, going to a psychiatrist is no different than going to a witch doctor. But when people ignore God, that's all they have left. :smile:

[kiwimac]

You know Carico,

If we could bottle that we'd have a world-beating fertiliser. I have known born-again christians so tied up with depression or BPD or OCD that they were institutionalised, were they not born-again enough? not saved enough?

[Carico]

Witch doctors (i.e. Shamans) tend to be excellent psychologists.

-Neil

So why do people keep going to them for years? :wink:

[Carico]

You know Carico,

If we could bottle that we'd have a world-beating fertiliser. I have known born-again christians so tied up with depression or BPD or OCD that they were institutionalised, were they not born-again enough? not saved enough?

That's because they don't trust God, they trust psychiatrists who institutionalize them. I was diagnosed with clinical depression 20 years ago and told there's nothing I can do but take anti-depressants for the rest of my life. Then I became born again 5 years later, went off my anti-depressants, and haven't been depressed since. :wink:

[Stabbytheclown]

That's because they don't trust God, they trust psychiatrists who institutionalize them. I was diagnosed with clinical depression 20 years ago and told there's nothing I can do but take anti-depressants for the rest of my life. Then I became born again 5 years later, went off my anti-depressants, and haven't been depressed since. :wink:
So they weren't saved enough.
Sorry to say this, but the way you've written the above sounds like you were suffering serious mental problems and retreated into a fantasy world of savedness as a means of coping.

[Carico]

So they weren't saved enough.
Sorry to say this, but the way you've written the above sounds like you were suffering serious mental problems and retreated into a fantasy world of savedness as a means of coping.

:lol: So you mean since I'm happy and productive in my life, then I'm more seriously ill. :twitch: :lol: That sounds like somthing a psychologist would believe. It appears that they'd rather keep people hooked on drugs for the rest of their lives. :wink:

[James Peter]

For purely mental problems then a powerful conversion experience (to any faith) can make a huge difference as Stabby and Stori have pointed out. Now, most of the medics I know are more than happy when their patients get better for any reason at all and would much prefer you are a little delusional but are able to function as a productive member of society than that you aren't and can't.

None of that makes any difference when the problems actually have an underlying physiological cause though. Physiological causes need physiological treatments, although sometimes God can and does just heal people.

What happened to you is just as much a psychological cure as going to a witchdoctor: you were convinced that you would be made better and your mind made you better. That sort of thing isn't limited to converts to Christianity by any stretch.

[Carico]

For purely mental problems then a powerful conversion experience (to any faith) can make a huge difference as Stabby and Stori have pointed out. Now, most of the medics I know are more than happy when their patients get better for any reason at all and would much prefer you are a little delusional but are able to function as a productive member of society than that you aren't and can't.

None of that makes any difference when the problems actually have an underlying physiological cause though. Physiological causes need physiological treatments, although sometimes God can and does just heal people.

What happened to you is just as much a psychological cure as going to a witchdoctor: you were convinced that you would be made better and your mind made you better. That sort of thing isn't limited to converts to Christianity by any stretch.

Sorry but Jesus is not a witch doctor because his cures are lasting, even after death. No human being can give us the cure for immortality. So their cures are as temporary as every medication that wears out. :wink:

And all people who rely on humans to "cure" them will get is a dependance on drugs which can in some cases, financially bankrupt individuals, never know real peace unless they're medicated and everlasting torment for their faith in witch doctors. :sad:

[squarepants]

Again, if they refuse to come to Christ, then all they can do is be pharmaceutically lobotomized by psychiatrists. It's that simple. If you notice on the commercials for anti-dpressants, they make the statement that 70% of people on anti-dpressants are still depressed. :shocked: Hello? Is someone out there? That's a serious indicator that anti-depressants don't work.

And the reason that psychotropic drugs are no different than cocaine, marijuana or any street drug, the sole purpose of which is to mask unhappiness, is because all psychiatrists can do is see what's happening in the brain when someone's depressed or hallcinating, etc. But that doesn't at all prove that that is the cause of their unhappiness. That's no different than seeing how tears are formed and giving people drugs to stop their tears instead of finding out the cause of their tears. :ahem:

So again, going to a psychiatrist is no different than going to a witch doctor. But when people ignore God, that's all they have left. :smile:

I really honestly have no idea where you are REALLY forming your opinions from. I've known people who have gone to see psychiatrists (including myself when I was a teenager a long time ago) JUST to talk to them. There weren't drugs involved, and the same applied to my situation when I was a teenager. Sure, there are also people who do get pills from the doc, but it's silly to assume that everyone who sees a shrink is taking medicine for their problems. That's the dumbest thing I've read. I agree with you on the fact that I don't think a pill can help depression. Talking things out is better, but that's my opinion. I'm not going to ridicule someone who DOES take medicine for depression, though. It's their depression and it isn't my place to say how they should handle THEIR depression. If I have something going on in my life, I like to talk it out. Others prefer pills.

You almost seem arrogant about the whole thing. It's as if you are looking down on people who see shrinks or take medicine for depression. You talk about "God" this or "God" that. If you're so against shrinks and the medicines they perscribe, why not PRAY for all the depressed people who really feel they need these medicines? Why not pray and ask God to heal these people's hurts? Talking smack and looking down on these HURTING people is something I don't think God appreciates very much. Do you?

[barnasha]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

The only solution to the human condition is Jesus. Human nature trying to fix human nature is the blind leading the blind. A fallible human being cannot fix the fallible human being. Only the truh sets us free. When we admit out envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, pride, glutony, and other sin, Jesus replaces them with love and forgiveness and we are truly free. :smile:

I can't count the people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists. For example, so many people have been misdiagnosed as bipolar because psychiatrists have pills for that, so they are pharmaceutically lobotmized and have to remain dependant on those drugs for the rest of their lives and those drugs still don't alleviate all of their symptoms! In fact, in some cases, they create side-effects that are worse than the symptoms they had before they took the drugs! One of the biggest ironies is that some of the side-effects of anti-depressant medications cause people to commit suicide! :lol:

So wll we need is Christ. :smile:
all we need is Christ to motivate us to actively bring about some sort of positive change in the world at the expense of ourselves, just like He did on a much grander scale.

[Carico]

all we need is Christ to motivate us to actively bring about some sort of positive change in the world at the expense of ourselves, just like He did on a much grander scale.

Amen. :smile:

[Carico]

I really honestly have no idea where you are REALLY forming your opinions from. I've known people who have gone to see psychiatrists (including myself when I was a teenager a long time ago) JUST to talk to them. There weren't drugs involved, and the same applied to my situation when I was a teenager. Sure, there are also people who do get pills from the doc, but it's silly to assume that everyone who sees a shrink is taking medicine for their problems. That's the dumbest thing I've read. I agree with you on the fact that I don't think a pill can help depression. Talking things out is better, but that's my opinion. I'm not going to ridicule someone who DOES take medicine for depression, though. It's their depression and it isn't my place to say how they should handle THEIR depression. If I have something going on in my life, I like to talk it out. Others prefer pills.

You almost seem arrogant about the whole thing. It's as if you are looking down on people who see shrinks or take medicine for depression. You talk about "God" this or "God" that. If you're so against shrinks and the medicines they perscribe, why not PRAY for all the depressed people who really feel they need these medicines? Why not pray and ask God to heal these people's hurts? Talking smack and looking down on these HURTING people is something I don't think God appreciates very much. Do you?

If someone is hurting, do you tell him to go drown himself in alcohol or drugs? No, you don't. "Only the truth can set you free." Period. And yes I do pray for them. But if they don't hear about who to turn to for help, then what good will anyone's prayers do them? No good whatsoever. And that is why I witness here.

My ideas come from personal experience, others who have sought help from psychiatrists and are still a mess, knowledge of the DSM-IV, and the only true healer, Jesus Christ.

So what can psychiatrists tell you? :huh: "Yes, you're anxious," or "yes you're depressed" or "yes you're hallucinating", etc. all of which the patient already knows. :smile: And what can he do about it except blame your parents and give you pills? Nothing. Not one thing.

So again, all people need to do is admit their fears, guilt, etc. and accept that Jesus already paid the price for their wrongdoings. Then they'll have no more need to pay doctors upwards of $150 an hour to tell them what they already know. :smile:

[Baobabtree]

1.Hate to tell you this buddy, but I (being your typical average human being) was rather stressed out and filled with anxiety, before I started to experiment with meditation yoga and other forms of Hindu worship. Now, by no means does this mean my life is now stress free, but I do find I am a lot more relaxed and less stressed out then before.

2. Though I didn't have any sort of anxiety disorder (just simple everyday stress), I'm willing to bet my faith could help people with stress just as much as yours, and even then I'm willing to bet they'd still need medication. My great-grandmother was severely depressed the last few years of her life, but after she started taking medication she was a whole new person, she was full of life. So, yes medication does help, and most of the time (heck possibly all of the time) faith alone can not free you of any sort of stress, mental, or physical disorder.

[3kixintehead]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

I stopped reading after here because its incredibly obvious how little you know about psychology. Psychologists cannot prescribe medicine of any sort. God can help some people overcome their psychological issues. I know, I am one of those people. But God can also give people brains (the psychologist) so that they can help other people with afflicted brains (the patient).

Would you mind counting for us? About the "number of people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists"? Seriously, statistics and a source would make you way more credible.

:/

[Lucy]

If someone is hurting, do you tell him to go drown himself in alcohol or drugs? No, you don't. "Only the truth can set you free." Period. And yes I do pray for them. But if they don't hear about who to turn to for help, then what good will anyone's prayers do them? No good whatsoever. And that is why I witness here.

My ideas come from personal experience, others who have sought help from psychiatrists and are still a mess, knowledge of the DSM-IV, and the only true healer, Jesus Christ.

So what can psychiatrists tell you? :huh: "Yes, you're anxious," or "yes you're depressed" or "yes you're hallucinating", etc. all of which the patient already knows. :smile: And what can he do about it except blame your parents and give you pills? Nothing. Not one thing.

So again, all people need to do is admit their fears, guilt, etc. and accept that Jesus already paid the price for their wrongdoings. Then they'll have no more need to pay doctors upwards of $150 an hour to tell them what they already know. :smile:

How would you explain me, then? I suffered from depression for years. Do you know what really helped me overcome it? Abandoning religion. This is not meant to bash the thesits on here, mind you. But I realised that faith was actually causing me more problems than it was solving. Which god was real, which faith should I follow, why didn't god answer my prayers, why was it so hard for me to follow him--on and on. For a long time I had tried to believe. I had truly wanted to know god, because everyone was always telling me how wonderful it is to know him and worship him. My inability to form this relationship made me feel inferior. But when I stopped trying--when I decided to live my life independent of any deity--I began to enjoy my life more. I had more self-worth. I was happier. And I was able to gain some control over my illness.

So how does that jive with your claim that only Jesus can cure us? I seem to have been cured by rejecting him (or ignoring him, more precisely). This would seem to indicate that your method is not the only method.

On top of that, I would like to point out that you seem to have an extremely limited understanding of psychology. Perhaps you should try doing a little more research before making sweeping generalizations.

[djdavo]

That's because they don't trust God, they trust psychiatrists who institutionalize them. I was diagnosed with clinical depression 20 years ago and told there's nothing I can do but take anti-depressants for the rest of my life. Then I became born again 5 years later, went off my anti-depressants, and haven't been depressed since. :wink:

so, seratonin imbalances are all spiritual oppression? what a bunch of hogwash.

YES< some people substitute drugs for peace that comes from Christ.

BUT< some people have chemical imbalances that need chemical treatments.

you wouldn't tell someone with malfunctioning lungs to not take their asthma medication,would you? things aren't a nice, neat little "superchristian" package that you make them out to me.

[Dave G]

Carico, I think you need meds.

[xine]

That's because they don't trust God, they trust psychiatrists who institutionalize them. I was diagnosed with clinical depression 20 years ago and told there's nothing I can do but take anti-depressants for the rest of my life. Then I became born again 5 years later, went off my anti-depressants, and haven't been depressed since. :wink:

I had psychological problems before I was born again, and I still do. Do you really think its an issue of trusting God?

[Twilly Spree]

Wow Carico, you seem to be really misinformed. First a psychologist can't give you medication. You have to go to a doctor, like a psychiatrist.

Psychology isn't just pumping you with drugs and sending you home. It's about learning how to deal with your problems head on through many different techniques. It can be as simple as breathing exercises or a daily journal.

Personally God has helped me gain the strength to go to a psychiarist and REALLY work at it. You can't just go through the motions, you need the inner strength (for some given to them by God) to look at your problems head on.

But I guess according to you I'm not strong in my faith and I'm some lobotomized fool. I've been on meds for anxiety for over four years. You can't imagine what it's like to realize all the things you thought were normal, well weren't. I can sleep, I can function, I can interact with others in stressful situations. I still worry, alot, but I'm not driven to vomiting and panic attacks.

[Jimmy Higgins]

So what can psychiatrists tell you? :huh: "Yes, you're anxious," or "yes you're depressed" or "yes you're hallucinating", etc. all of which the patient already knows. :smile: And what can he do about it except blame your parents and give you pills? Nothing. Not one thing.

So again, all people need to do is admit their fears, guilt, etc. and accept that Jesus already paid the price for their wrongdoings. Then they'll have no more need to pay doctors upwards of $150 an hour to tell them what they already know. :smile:If one is hallucinating, I don't think that has much to do with Jesus paying for their wrongdoings. It means they have some manner of deficiency in the brain that needs to be dealt with. Granted, medication for mental health is still light years away from where it needs to be, but that's probably because we are still in our infancy of understanding the brain.

Sadly, it's people like you who give the impression that mental health is a joke and that treatment is a joke, that religion will save all. This idiocy is something that still has lots of legs in the US.

[xine]

And what can he do about it except blame your parents and give you pills? Nothing. Not one thing.



Oh sorry, for a second there I thought you knew what you were talking about.

[Dave G]

Um, Carico, my doctor does not blame my parents...

[Rahab]

Carico.... I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you are NOT aware that T Web has a good number of christians who have been affected by various mental disorders. Some with pre existing conditions prior to their conversion in Christ. The implications of some of your statements are insulting and demeaning to them as you question so arrogantly their trust in Christ. Those are folks who are survivors because they faced their condition and were not deterred from seeking medical care by feelings of guilt or shame IRW with their committed faith.

I hope you will reconsider in the future the implications of your statements.

[Dee Dee Warren]

It seems Carico has bailed.

How depressing...

[Twilly Spree]

it's obviously her parent's fault

[Dee Dee Warren]

I was thinking of you yesterday Twilly. Jack's girlfriend in Season 4 of 24 looks like Sarah Jessica Parker.

[Twilly Spree]

Really? I stopped watching 24 after the 2nd season.

[Jimmy Higgins]

Really? I stopped watching 24 after the 2nd season.You did yourself a huge favor! 24 began the dive in Season 3 and now it's just abysmal television.

[Dee Dee Warren]

I am watching 4 and am liking it even better than 3

[Twilly Spree]

I watched portions of 3 and I was fed up.

Bones is so much more enjoyable.

[Jimmy Higgins]

I am watching 4 and am liking it even better than 3Really? Season 4 was the "How is the bad guy getting away this time" season. It became too predictable. The fun of the show was disappearing. They should have stopped after Season 1.

[Jimmy Higgins]

I watched portions of 3 and I was fed up.

Bones is so much more enjoyable.Really, I found the side characters to be entirely uninteresting or believable. I liked the stars of the show though. Go Angel! :smile:

[Turgonian]

And I can't count the number of seriously ill people who have been messed up because people have refused to accept that they are ill and need help beyond saying "I'll pray for you."

Doctors certainly make mistakes but the solution is better medicine, not no medicine at all...

Not sure I agree. First, let me state that my knowledge of psychology is nihil, so don't be too hard on me, because I'm not going to act like an expert here. :wink: However, I met someone in August who is now studying psychology, having been very interested in it for some time, and she said that contemporary psychiatry is far too much focused on medicine, while there are far more important aspects to healing, such as real communication and 'being there' as a therapist. Psychiatrists tend to just prescribe a medicine, as though humans were purely physical. This often does not solve the problem, because the problem is more personal than physical.

So hearing you say 'The solution is better medicine' sends shivers down my spine.

I remain your respectful servant

Turgy.

[technomage]

However, I met someone in August who is now studying psychology, having been very interested in it for some time, and she said that contemporary psychiatry is far too much focused on medicine, while there are far more important aspects to healing, such as real communication and 'being there' as a therapist. Psychiatrists tend to just prescribe a medicine, as though humans were purely physical. This often does not solve the problem, because the problem is more personal than physical.

Hi, Turgy,

While I agree with James that medicine can form an important component in dealing with psychological issues, I also agree with you that medicine is not the "be-all and end-all" of psychology. Both treatments have their place.

[AngelDragon]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

The only solution to the human condition is Jesus. Human nature trying to fix human nature is the blind leading the blind. A fallible human being cannot fix the fallible human being. Only the truh sets us free. When we admit out envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, pride, glutony, and other sin, Jesus replaces them with love and forgiveness and we are truly free. :smile:

I can't count the people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists. For example, so many people have been misdiagnosed as bipolar because psychiatrists have pills for that, so they are pharmaceutically lobotmized and have to remain dependant on those drugs for the rest of their lives and those drugs still don't alleviate all of their symptoms! In fact, in some cases, they create side-effects that are worse than the symptoms they had before they took the drugs! One of the biggest ironies is that some of the side-effects of anti-depressant medications cause people to commit suicide! :lol:

So wll we need is Christ. :smile:

Uh, I'm a Christian myself, and not only do I have depression along with several other anxiety disorders, I also want to be a psychologist. Grow up.

[SteveF]

Carico has gone. She was an idiot.

[FreezBee]

Um, Carico, my doctor does not blame my parents...

Then get another doctor -- nothing worse than doctors who don't blame your parents, leaving YOU as the one responsible.

- FreezBee

[Thespia]

Gee, I'd hate to be "labeled" as a sick person, and given medicine to make me well! Awful!

[Tickle Me Mercury]

Gee, I'd hate to be "labeled" as a sick person, and given medicine to make me well! Awful!

I think Carico was a Church Of Scientology plant.

We're all glib.

[hamandcheese]

Secular psychology is no different than going to witch doctors. The theories of psychologists are no different than the theories of scientists. They put people in categories, label them, and give them pills like witches gave people herbs and potions.

The only solution to the human condition is Jesus. Human nature trying to fix human nature is the blind leading the blind. A fallible human being cannot fix the fallible human being. Only the truh sets us free. When we admit out envy, greed, lust, anger, sloth, pride, glutony, and other sin, Jesus replaces them with love and forgiveness and we are truly free. :smile:

I can't count the people who have been messed up by psychiatrists and psychologists. For example, so many people have been misdiagnosed as bipolar because psychiatrists have pills for that, so they are pharmaceutically lobotmized and have to remain dependant on those drugs for the rest of their lives and those drugs still don't alleviate all of their symptoms! In fact, in some cases, they create side-effects that are worse than the symptoms they had before they took the drugs! One of the biggest ironies is that some of the side-effects of anti-depressant medications cause people to commit suicide! :lol:

So wll we need is Christ. :smile:

Such ignorance are the ramblings of a bellicose Christian pseudo-scientologist. You start by declaring psychology to be bogus -- a revealing claim that indicates you have likely never read a psychology book in your life (assuming self help doesn't count). Psychology, like all sciences follows the scientific method, and the theories of psychology undergo the same scrutiny as every other scientific field. Now with cognitive-neurology (basically combining thought experiments with empirical neural observation) we have a wealth of evidence that has given us theories of perception, thought, consciousness, motive, communication, love, envy, and every underlying aspect of the human condition, including, with evolutionary psychology, the natural reasoned origins behind these phenomenon.

Your next mistake was to go from criticizing psychology, with arguments against psychiatry! Too bad psychiatry is a branch of medicine (although it does overlay with psychology occasionally). You go on to spout the misinformation of the scientologists (who inherently and dogmatically oppose psychiatry) and Dianetic associated organizations who make arguments that aren't opposed to the science, but rather the publics kneejerk reaction to insist upon specialized medicines that work in theory and principle, but only if the condition actually exists! I won't go into the science of neurology as it relates to neural chemical transmitters, but if someone doesn't have the condition, it is harmful. That's why you should oppose the liberal diagnosing, and not to call it bogus off hand. Psychiatric drugs are technically an extreme alternative, and I agree that probably only a tenth of those who use them need them (and that every psychiatric correction creates other problems: you must weigh the benefits), but to call it, the study, bogus is just moronic.