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arnoldo
11-24-2015, 07:11 AM
My praise report is my healing via prayer with T.B. Joshua on Emmanuel TV (http://emmanuel.tv/).

Please don't advertise other websites

arnoldo
11-24-2015, 02:26 PM
Another praise report . . .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKg8IVYVKnU

Bill the Cat
11-25-2015, 04:20 AM
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arnoldo
11-25-2015, 12:28 PM
They brought to the Pharisees him that aforetime was blind.

And it was the sabbath day when Jesus made the clay, and opened his eyes.

Then again the Pharisees also asked him how he had received his sight. He said unto them, He put clay upon mine eyes, and I washed, and do see.

Therefore said some of the Pharisees, This man is not of God, because he keepeth not the sabbath day. Others said, How can a man that is a sinner do such miracles? And there was a division among them.

They say unto the blind man again, What sayest thou of him, that he hath opened thine eyes? He said, He is a prophet.

But the Jews did not believe concerning him, that he had been blind, and received his sight, until they called the parents of him that had received his sight.

And they asked them, saying, Is this your son, who ye say was born blind? how then doth he now see?

His parents answered them and said, We know that this is our son, and that he was born blind:

But by what means he now seeth, we know not; or who hath opened his eyes, we know not: he is of age; ask him: he shall speak for himself.

Bill the Cat
11-25-2015, 04:12 PM
Matt 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.

Jedidiah
11-25-2015, 06:59 PM
We do not doubt genuine miracles but those are visible and attested to. Because someone says "hoopla I've been healed" does not mean much on it's own. Why can these 'T.B. Joshuas' not go into hospitals and heal people who are really sick, lame, missing legs, or blind? When they can do that sort of thing and give Jesus Christ the glory and praise I will reconsider.

mossrose
11-25-2015, 07:06 PM
We do not doubt genuine miracles but those are visible and attested to. Because someone says "hoopla I've been healed" does not mean much on it's own. Why can these 'T.B. Joshuas' not go into hospitals and heal people who are really sick, lame, missing legs, or blind? When they can do that sort of thing and give Jesus Christ the glory and praise I will reconsider.

Or resurrect somebody from the dead.

37818
11-25-2015, 08:20 PM
T. B. Joshua's - The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations

This is what is claimed to be believed:
. . . The Holy Spirit worked with the Father and the Son to create the world. . . .
Go to LINK (http://www.scoan.org/about/statement-of-faith/)

. . . To be born again, not only must we have God’s Word but also His Spirit, mixed with repentance and faith in our hearts. . . .
:no:

37818
11-25-2015, 09:29 PM
There is a web site dedicated to exposing T. B. Joshua as to his false teachings and practices.



https://tbjoshuawatch.wordpress.com/category/teaching/

arnoldo
11-26-2015, 09:16 AM
T. B. Joshua's - The Synagogue, Church Of All Nations

This is what is claimed to be believed:
. . . The Holy Spirit worked with the Father and the Son to create the world. . . .
Go to LINK (http://www.scoan.org/about/statement-of-faith/)

. . . To be born again, not only must we have God’s Word but also His Spirit, mixed with repentance and faith in our hearts. . . .
:no:
Would you kindly check the statement of faith of another pastor in Lagos, Nigeria?

Dr. Daniel Kolawole Olukoya's- Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (http://www.mountainoffire.org/about)

arnoldo
11-26-2015, 10:01 AM
Matt 24:24
For false messiahs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Chrawnus
11-26-2015, 10:15 AM
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

I bolded the relevant part of the passage.

arnoldo
11-26-2015, 10:33 AM
I bolded the relevant part of the passage.
It's all relevant.

37818
11-26-2015, 10:47 AM
Would you kindly check the statement of faith of another pastor in Lagos, Nigeria?

Dr. Daniel Kolawole Olukoya's- Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (http://www.mountainoffire.org/about)

OK. There are some points of disagreement. Does Daniel endorse the so-called ministry of T. B. Joshua?

Friend,
I have a question for you. If you were to explain salvation to another person, what would you explain as to how one could know for sure without a doubt one was saved and upon death would go to be present with the Lord?

mossrose
11-26-2015, 11:18 AM
It's all relevant.


Then read it all. Study it all. Then you will be able to recognize the false teaching and heresy rife in this Word of Faith type of so-called preacher. They are leading thousands upon thousands of people astray. Don't be one of them!

arnoldo
11-26-2015, 01:04 PM
OK. There are some points of disagreement. Does Daniel endorse the so-called ministry of T. B. Joshua?
I have no idea whether Dr. D.K. Olukoya endorses T.B. Joshua however their ministries appear to be somewhat similar.


Friend,
I have a question for you. If you were to explain salvation to another person, what would you explain as to how one could know for sure without a doubt one was saved and upon death would go to be present with the Lord?
That is a good question. . .I would probably use scripture such as John 3:16 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16) to explain salvation.

Bill the Cat
11-26-2015, 02:52 PM
Would you kindly check the statement of faith of another pastor in Lagos, Nigeria?

Dr. Daniel Kolawole Olukoya's- Mountain of Fire and Miracles Ministries (http://www.mountainoffire.org/about)

It's chock full of spiritual snobbery, extra-biblical nonsense, and outright heresy.

Bill the Cat
11-26-2015, 02:53 PM
Matthew 5:11
Blessed are ye, when men shall revile you, and persecute you, and shall say all manner of evil against you falsely, for my sake. Rejoice, and be exceeding glad: for great is your reward in heaven: for so persecuted they the prophets which were before you.

Considering that what I said was not false, this verse doesn't apply to T.B.

arnoldo
11-26-2015, 03:27 PM
Emmanuel! (http://biblehub.com/matthew/1-23.htm)

37818
11-26-2015, 06:16 PM
That is a good question. . .I would probably use scripture such as John 3:16 (https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John+3%3A16) to explain salvation.OK. But what what would you explain?

arnoldo
11-26-2015, 08:56 PM
OK. But what what would you explain? Isn't scripture sufficient for you? What do you think of the following sermon?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Mweh3gAvgg

theophilus
11-27-2015, 05:48 AM
Isn't scripture sufficient for you? What do you think of the following sermon?
It consists of simply repeating over again what the Bible says; it doesn't explain what it means.

37818
11-27-2015, 01:13 PM
Isn't scripture sufficient for you?Oh, I know God's written word is sufficient. But not snips void of its meaning. And void of meaning explaining nothing. John 3:16 void of it meaning cannot help save anyone.


What do you think of the following sermon?
First, to me he is a false prophet since I am of the persuasion that the Apostle John who was given the prophecy of the book of Revelation was the last prophet give to the Body of Christ, Christ's church.

Now the truth that God is a metaphor for love does not explain how to abide in God.

Those who do not abide in God through His Christ shall perish (John 15:6).

Now again, what would you explain to another as to how to abide in God and to know that in death one will without a doubt be present with the Lord?

John 3:16 has parts to its message. Each part has a meaning. God so loved the world . . . How did God show this?
. . . that He gave his only begotten Son . . . How did God do that?
. . . that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish but have everlasting life . . . . What is it to believe in Him? Believe what?

Explain this, how would you explain to someone who does not yet understand? How would you present it?
Jesus warned (Matthew 7:21-23).


Your "prophet" explained none of this. His message was empty.

arnoldo
11-27-2015, 06:18 PM
The thief on the cross didn't have to give (or receive) a theological explanation of his salvation in order to get Jesus's approval. IMHO, since Jesus is doing the healings in this ministry I would be cautious before speaking against it (Psalms 105:15). (http://biblehub.com/psalms/105-15.htm)

arnoldo
11-27-2015, 06:36 PM
First, to me he is a false prophet since I am of the persuasion that the Apostle John who was given the prophecy of the book of Revelation was the last prophet give to the Body of Christ, Christ's church.

See Ephesians 4:11 (http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-11.htm)

Jedidiah
11-27-2015, 08:02 PM
How many of these people healed were in the hospital with diagnosed ailments?

arnoldo
11-27-2015, 08:26 PM
How many of these people healed were in the hospital with diagnosed ailments?
I dunno, but below is a link to three people who gained the ability to walk.

https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=uZqvCG2LkoA&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFJFJzgAmRMU%26feature%3Dshare

https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=FUD9Og5KDo0&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6t4Oe9ruwGQ%26feature%3Dshare

https://youtu.be/Lj4WtEfNADg

Chrawnus
11-27-2015, 08:56 PM
IMHO, since Jesus is doing the healings in this ministry I would be cautious before speaking against it (Psalms 105:15). (http://biblehub.com/psalms/105-15.htm)

Jesus being behind the healings of T. B. Joshua's ministry is not obvious at all.

arnoldo
11-27-2015, 09:37 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFbxNFlVBwI

Bill the Cat
11-28-2015, 07:17 AM
I dunno, but below is a link to three people who gained the ability to walk.

https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=uZqvCG2LkoA&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DFJFJzgAmRMU%26feature%3Dshare

https://www.youtube.com/attribution_link?a=FUD9Og5KDo0&u=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6t4Oe9ruwGQ%26feature%3Dshare

https://youtu.be/Lj4WtEfNADg

How about medical records instead of youtube videos? Benny Hinn has the same scam going on.

Bill the Cat
11-28-2015, 07:33 AM
The thief on the cross didn't have to give (or receive) a theological explanation of his salvation in order to get Jesus's approval.

Because he was most likely Jewish, and thus would have known all about the Messiah.


IMHO, since Jesus is doing the healings in this ministry I would be cautious before speaking against it (Psalms 105:15). (http://biblehub.com/psalms/105-15.htm)

No Jesus isn't. It's a scam for Joshua to make more money

http://www.news24.com/Archives/City-Press/TB-Joshua-among-richest-pastors-in-the-world-Forbes-20150430

mossrose
11-28-2015, 07:51 AM
Because he was most likely Jewish, and thus would have known all about the Messiah.



No Jesus isn't. It's a scam for Joshua to make more money

http://www.news24.com/Archives/City-Press/TB-Joshua-among-richest-pastors-in-the-world-Forbes-20150430

Hmm. I wonder why he didn't go and resurrect all those people that died when his guest house collapsed last year...

mossrose
11-28-2015, 08:00 AM
If you want to know what's really going on in Africa with this movement, then listen/watch/read this:

https://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/TM13-5

And this:

https://www.gty.org/resources/sermons/TM13-13/are-we-preachers-or-witch-doctors-conrad-mbewe

37818
11-28-2015, 08:25 AM
See Ephesians 4:11 (http://biblehub.com/ephesians/4-11.htm)True. So?

How does the show that the prophecy called the revelation of Jesus Christ is not the last revelation of Jesus Christ to be given until He returns? (Revelation 1:1-3; 22:18-20.)

arnoldo
11-28-2015, 10:25 AM
True. So?

How does the show that the prophecy called the revelation of Jesus Christ is not the last revelation of Jesus Christ to be given until He returns? (Revelation 1:1-3; 22:18-20.)

You mean that there are no more scriptures to be written? In regard to Ephesians 4:11, Päivi Heikkilä (http://kingsministries.fi/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Norja0031aaa.jpg) writes,


Need of Apostles and Prophets in today’s Church of Christ (http://kingsministries.fi/2012/04/03/need-of-apostles-and-prophets-in-todays-church-of-christ/?lang=en)

The need of God given Apostles and Prophets is obvious in the Church of Jesus Christ today. In many nations this is already in action; they have Apostolic and Prophetic Round Tables, or Councils and Elders, formed of apostles and prophets given by God, coming together some times during a year to seek God for those things that causes confusion in the Church. But in many nations, specially in Europe, this is not happening yet. In Finland we have some leading brothers in some denominations, but not many prophets received yet. We also have bishops in the Lutheran Church, but most of them have proved themselves to be false apostles, not leading the Church according to the truth of the Gospel, but according to the will of the world. Mainly the Church is in fact without God given apostles and prophets who would take care of the condition of the Church.

This was not the case in the time of the early Church, as for ex Acts 15 tells us. Apostles and prophets came together to seek the Lord in some spesific matters and then gave advises to churches how to deal with those matters. They also went (both apostles and prophets from this Council) to meet the leaders in churches to strengthen them and to give the letter to them on those matters. This way the Church knew what to think and how to go on in some difficult things. The Church also was oneminded and could stay together in all kind of questions that rose up. Of course it was easier as the Church still was one and not devided in so many denominations as it is today. God has given His apostles and prophets to His Church, to the Church of Jesus Christ, not to this or that denomination.

The more we come to the place where Christianity will be devided to two; to the Body of Christ and to the World Church, the Harlot Church, the more we will see many of formal leaders showing themselves to be false apostles and false prophets, and the more we will start see the God given true apostles and prophets to rise up to declare the will of God. This will be a testing point to many in discerning; we have to know the Word of God and God’s Spirit ourselves. We have to make sure we stay in Christ Jesus, in Truth, in all these times we are facing soon.

That is also why we need Apostolic Prophetic Round Tables or Councils. We need those who have showed themselves to be chosen and sent by God in apostolic and prophetic ministry to help the Church in coming turbulent times to see the will of God. And also, because every man and woman, even being chosen by God as an apostle or prophet, is stil only a human being and not perfect, we need them to come together to seek God together and to prove everything they see and hear, if it is from the Lord or not.

37818
11-28-2015, 10:43 AM
You mean that there are no more scriptures to be written? In regard to Ephesians 4:11, Päivi Heikkilä (http://kingsministries.fi/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Norja0031aaa.jpg) writes,

http://kingsministries.fi/our-confession/?lang=en

Citing a another false teacher does not justify a false teaching.

Yes, not only are there no more Holy Scriptures to be written (1 Peter 1:20-21), there are no more prophets or Apostles.

Bill the Cat
11-28-2015, 10:57 AM
You mean that there are no more scriptures to be written? In regard to Ephesians 4:11, Päivi Heikkilä (http://kingsministries.fi/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/Norja0031aaa.jpg) writes,

In order to have been an Apostle, one had to have witnessed the resurrected Lord, which Paul said he was the LAST (1 Corinthians 15:8)

arnoldo
11-28-2015, 11:00 AM
http://kingsministries.fi/our-confession/?lang=en

Citing a another false teacher does not justify a false teaching.

Yes, not only are there no more Holy Scriptures to be written (1 Peter 1:20-21), there are no more prophets or Apostles.
Who was the last prophet and apostle?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4CkJuqOuv2o

mossrose
11-28-2015, 11:21 AM
The last prophet before Christ was John the Baptist.

Jesus spoke of many things that were prophetic. There are no more prophets after Christ until the end times when the 2 prophets appear that are spoken of in Revelation.

Paul was the last Apostle. There are no more. Anyone who calls themselves prophets or Apostles are in error.

37818
11-28-2015, 11:24 AM
Who was the last prophet and apostle?


John the Apostle was the last living Apostle and church prophet. He was given the prophecy of the revelation of Jesus Christ which is that book. That book is the last written prophecy. All prophecy prior to that book was also the revelation of Jesus Christ (Revelation 19:10) which the book is so named (Revelation 1:1-3).

mossrose
11-28-2015, 11:26 AM
John the Apostle was the last living Apostle.

Yes. But Paul was the last to come into the position.

arnoldo
11-28-2015, 04:37 PM
The article linked below quotes scripture to claim that once the last apostle died, miracles ceased.

Miracles Have Ceased. (http://www.apologeticspress.org/DiscoveryPubPage.aspx?pub=2&issue=1126&article=2172)

37818
11-28-2015, 07:00 PM
The article linked below quotes scripture to claim that once the last apostle died, miracles ceased.

Miracles Have Ceased. (http://www.apologeticspress.org/DiscoveryPubPage.aspx?pub=2&issue=1126&article=2172)

Miracles have not ceased. Just tongues. The spoken prophecy and the spoken word of knowledge have been down away. That is why tongues ceased. God saving a person is a miracle (Romans 1:16).

Miracles by a spoken prophecy has ceased.

Bill the Cat
11-29-2015, 07:47 AM
Miracles have not ceased. Just tongues.

Um, no they haven't.

Catholicity
11-29-2015, 11:07 AM
Um, no they haven't.

I agree, I am not a cessationist, but my personal experience with those who genuinely have the gift of tongues is that its likely fewer and farther between than most tv preachers and some charismatic churches would want you to believe..... or the genuine gift is harder to find than the mimicry.

arnoldo
11-29-2015, 12:40 PM
Miracles have not ceased. Just tongues. The spoken prophecy and the spoken word of knowledge have been down away. That is why tongues ceased. God saving a person is a miracle (Romans 1:16).

Miracles by a spoken prophecy has ceased.
The link below quotes scripture to argue that tongues have ceased.

Tongues Have Ceased (www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/heresies/tongues.php)

Bill the Cat
11-29-2015, 01:34 PM
The link below quotes scripture to argue that tongues have ceased.

Tongues Have Ceased (www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/heresies/tongues.php)

:no: The misuse of scripture on that page is fascinatingly impressive and sad at the same time... :duh:

Jedidiah
11-29-2015, 02:17 PM
The link below quotes scripture to argue that tongues have ceased.

Tongues Have Ceased (www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/heresies/tongues.php)

Argument by weblink.

37818
11-29-2015, 04:20 PM
The link below quotes scripture to argue that tongues have ceased.

Tongues Have Ceased (www.letgodbetrue.com/bible/heresies/tongues.php)

The site is 3 point Calvinist (TULIP). Total depravity, Unconditional election, Limited atonement. (A type of hyperCalvinism)
They reject Irresistible grace, and Perseverance of the saints[believers](Once Saved Always Saved)

For the record, while I am not a Calvinist, my viewpoint can be described as 2 point Calvinist(TULIP).
Total depravity & Perseverance of the saints[believers](Once Saved Always Saved)
I am a cessationist (a partial cessionist). Not all Christians are cessationist when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit.

37818
11-29-2015, 04:28 PM
Um, no they haven't.Not all Christians are cessationist when it comes to the gifts of the Spirit.

arnoldo
11-29-2015, 05:57 PM
Argument by weblink.

. . . and by youtube.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcS6YuwY3bM

Evidently, the video is a prophecy of the Paris terrorists attacks. If one take the position that prophets have ceased to exist sometime ago then the video does not demonstrate a prophetic word. On the other hand if God continues to use prophets in this present age then the possibility remains that this is evidence of a prophetic word. The other option of course is that this was all mere coincidence.

37818
11-29-2015, 08:09 PM
. . . and by youtube.

Evidently, the video is a prophecy of the Paris terrorists attacks. If one take the position that prophets have ceased to exist sometime ago then the video does not demonstrate a prophetic word. On the other hand if God continues to use prophets in this present age then the possibility remains that this is evidence of a prophetic word. The other option of course is that this was all mere coincidence.

A video after the fact and a claim is no proof of prophecy.

Produce a prophecy before the event. Then we'll see. :deal:

Deuteronomy 18:22,
. . . When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that [is] the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, [but] the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

arnoldo
12-02-2015, 07:23 PM
The New Testament not only documents healings, prophecy and miracles but also deliverance. Another man of God, John Chibwe, demonstrates this ministry in the following video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWmBF9YgTY

Faber
12-03-2015, 07:09 AM
The New Testament not only documents healings, prophecy and miracles but also deliverance. Another man of God, John Chibwe, demonstrates this ministry in the following video.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWmBF9YgTY
Chibwe is prophecying an attack by a suicide bomber somewhere in France. Did he give any date as to when this will happen? Or in what city?

Faber
12-03-2015, 02:04 PM
Chibwe is prophecying an attack by a suicide bomber somewhere in France. Did he give any date as to when this will happen? Or in what city?
Let me correct myself. That was the TB Joshua video. I got the two mixed up. Still, he was stating a fact that there were foreigners ("strange people") in France (which is true of many nations in Europe and USA as a result of recent migrations and refugees), and that they should pray about them. He doesn't predict, but only suggest, suicide bombers. So far there were none. Nor does he give dates or mention what city.

And if God were to declare a prophecy such as this, wouldn't it be associated with a condemnation of sin and a call to repentance? Otherwise, it is nothing more than tabloid trash.

Bill the Cat
12-03-2015, 04:21 PM
LAGOS – Nigerian preacher TB Joshua and two contractors facing trial for criminal negligence over a church building collapse that killed 116 worshippers have gone missing soon after court proceedings commenced. The three were no where to be found at court on Monday, prompting the judge to adjourn the case.
The case at the Lagos high court followed a coroner’s ruling in July that blamed Joshua’s Synagogue Church of All Nations (Scoan) and two engineers for the September 12, 2014 tragedy.

Most of the victims were South African.

Faber
12-03-2015, 04:46 PM
And he couldn't have prophesied the building collapse?

arnoldo
12-03-2015, 07:01 PM
And he couldn't have prophesied the building collapse?

Ask Job. . . or his accuser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWmBF9YgTY&t=13m49s

Bill the Cat
12-04-2015, 05:08 AM
Ask Job. . . or his accuser.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=enWmBF9YgTY&t=13m49s

:rofl: "Lucifer" himself has nothing better to do than to possess a random African woman...

"I am the terror by night", huh?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADrA19zZ4Ts

Jedidiah
12-04-2015, 01:16 PM
None of these latter day healers seem to be able to go into the hospital and heal people in an objectively observable situation.

arnoldo
12-04-2015, 05:01 PM
. . . "Lucifer" himself has nothing better to do than to possess a random African woman...

. . . and target Reinhard Bonkee. (https://new.cfan.org/splash)


When one day in a fierce persecution in Africa, God spoke to me: “You are Satan’s prime-target for destruction, BUT you are My prime-target for protection.” Deep peace flooded my soul. “You shall not die, but live and declare the works of the Lord.” (Psalm 118,17) This is true for every child of God.
Blessings,

REINHARD BONNKE.

Bill the Cat
12-04-2015, 05:12 PM
. . . and target Reinhard Bonkee. (https://new.cfan.org/splash)

It's not Bonkee. It's Bonnke. And he's just as bad, falsely "prophesying" a global revival starting in the UK in the 90's. To date, every year, church attendance in the UK has fallen. False prophecy = false prophet.

Next...

arnoldo
12-04-2015, 05:51 PM
It's not Bonkee. It's Bonnke. And he's just as bad, falsely "prophesying" a global revival starting in the UK in the 90's. To date, every year, church attendance in the UK has fallen. False prophecy = false prophet.

Next...
That's according to a wikipedia article about Bonnkee.


In 1991, during Bonnke's visit to Kano in Nigeria, there were riots in the city as Muslims protested over remarks he had reportedly made about Islam in the city of Kaduna on his way to Kano.[5] A rumor was spread that Bonnke was planning to “lead an invasion” into Kano. Muslim youths gathered at the Kofar Mata Eide-ground where they were addressed by several clerics who claimed that Bonnke was going to blaspheme Islam. About 8,000 youths gathered at the Emir's palace and after noon prayers the riots ensued, during which many Christians sustained various injuries and[6][7][8] After nine years he returned to Nigeria to preach.

In the early 1990s Bonnke, who had prophesied a major world revival which would start in the United Kingdom, was involved in an initiative to reverse the decline in church attendance there. This involved the distribution of millions of copies of a booklet he had written called Minus to Plus[9][10] to homes throughout the country, which was hoped to win 250,000 converts. However, only 20,000 were claimed to have been 'won over', and these were mostly those returning to the faith rather than coming to it for the first time. Church attendance in the United Kingdom continued to decline.[9]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinhard_Bonnke

Do you have any other examples of any so-called false prophecies by Bonnke?

Bill the Cat
12-04-2015, 06:10 PM
That's according to a wikipedia article about Bonnkee.

One E! :glare: And Wiki records it too, yes.




Do you have any other examples of any so-called false prophecies by Bonnke?

One is all that is necessary. But just for your instruction:

It doesn't matter if they get healed or not, what matters is that the Lord wants the blind to be prayed for now." (It is His business anyway if they get healed, we obviously have nothing to do with that anyway.) The Word is sure, "the Word of God" Jesus spoke to him "is as powerful in My mouth as it is in your mouth." Reinhard said to himself, "that sounds like heresy." The Lord repeated Himself, "My Word in My mouth is as powerful as My word in your mouth!"
- At Brownsville AOG in 1999
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/resource/matraya3.htm

arnoldo
12-04-2015, 06:48 PM
One E! :glare: And Wiki records it too, yes.
Did I spell Rienhard right?





One is all that is necessary. But just for your instruction:

It doesn't matter if they get healed or not, what matters is that the Lord wants the blind to be prayed for now." (It is His business anyway if they get healed, we obviously have nothing to do with that anyway.) The Word is sure, "the Word of God" Jesus spoke to him "is as powerful in My mouth as it is in your mouth." Reinhard said to himself, "that sounds like heresy." The Lord repeated Himself, "My Word in My mouth is as powerful as My word in your mouth!"
- At Brownsville AOG in 1999
http://www.blessedquietness.com/journal/resource/matraya3.htm

Then I suppose this video of someone allegedly rising from the dead isn't true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZP5Gq7-WYM

Bill the Cat
12-07-2015, 05:21 AM
Did I spell Rienhard right?

No. "Reinhard"


Then I suppose this video of someone allegedly rising from the dead isn't true.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZP5Gq7-WYM

***Edited***

http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/bonnke2.html
It was a fraudulent scheme.

Jedidiah
12-07-2015, 10:51 AM
Not one of these "healings" took place where there was any chance of an objective test.

arnoldo
12-07-2015, 02:55 PM
Not one of these "healings" took place where there was any chance of an objective test.
Neither did any of the healings in the NT take place where there was an objective test. Do you believe those took place?

arnoldo
12-07-2015, 03:18 PM
. . . It was a fraudulent scheme. . .
Like the allegation the disciple's stole Jesus's body? (Matthew 28:13 (http://biblehub.com/matthew/28-13.htm))

The person who wrote the article linked below interviewed all of the parties involved and concluded it wasn't a fraudulent scheme.
http://www.bereanpublishers.com/concerning-the-resurrection-of-daniel-ekechukwu/

Jedidiah
12-07-2015, 07:06 PM
Neither did any of the healings in the NT take place where there was an objective test. Do you believe those took place?

Jesus was not taking donations to do dubious healing.

arnoldo
12-07-2015, 07:16 PM
Jesus was not taking donations to do dubious healing.
So you believe Jesus did healings in the NT. Why won't He do so today?

37818
12-07-2015, 07:55 PM
So you believe Jesus did healings in the NT. Why won't He do so today?

He does. As answered prayer when according to God's will. It is just not being done by prophecy today.

37818
12-07-2015, 08:19 PM
Like the allegation the disciple's stole Jesus's body? (Matthew 28:13 (http://biblehub.com/matthew/28-13.htm))

The person who wrote the article linked below interviewed all of the parties involved and concluded it wasn't a fraudulent scheme.
http://www.bereanpublishers.com/concerning-the-resurrection-of-daniel-ekechukwu/

He is a false teacher in his own right. Explain in your own words his teaching on how to be born again. You can include quotes from him to support your presentation.

arnoldo
12-08-2015, 05:30 PM
He is a false teacher in his own right.
David Servant is someone who interviewed all persons shown in the video. I don't think anyone is dispupting that, even "Deceptions in the Church." His eyewitness accounts were used by "Deceptions in the Church" to allegedly discredit the events depicted in the video. David Servant counters all such arguments in the link below.

http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/answering-skeptics-on-resurrection-daniel-ekechukwu



Explain in your own words his teaching on how to be born again. You can include quotes from him to support your presentation.
I don't know his teaching, perhaps you could enlighten us?

Bill the Cat
12-09-2015, 08:45 AM
David Servant is someone who interviewed all persons shown in the video. I don't think anyone is dispupting that, even "Deceptions in the Church." His eyewitness accounts were used by "Deceptions in the Church" to allegedly discredit the events depicted in the video. David Servant counters all such arguments in the link below.

http://www.heavensfamily.org/ss/answering-skeptics-on-resurrection-daniel-ekechukwu

David Servant is a worshipper of mammon. And all he did here was reiterate the claims made by the members of the church Bonnke was preaching at.

arnoldo
12-09-2015, 02:45 PM
David Servant is a worshipper of mammon. That's a bold (but false) statement.
And all he did here was reiterate the claims made by the members of the church Bonnke was preaching at. After interviewing the members of the church in person and verifying it was true.