Why is cannabis wrong?

[SinikalSaint]

Heya's, folks! Many of you might remember my post in Biblical Ethics (what happened to Biblical Ethics, anyway? If it were still here--or, if it is hiding around TW somewhere, rather if I could find it--I'd have started this thread there, but I guess it could work here, too) entitled "Why Is Porn Wrong?" that sought to challenge and discuss the prevailing Christian ethical attitude toward the production and "use" of pornography.

I am now seeking to do the same thing with the use of marijuana. Not drugs in general, mind you--though I encourage y'all to feel free to mention other drugs, legal or illegal, prescription or over-the-counter, "hard" or "soft,"--in your contribution to the discussion as you see fit. But the topic is about marijuana, specifically. The prevailing (the by no means the sole, although differing views are quite rare) Christian attitude toward the use of marijuana is not unlike that of harder drugs, or, perhaps, pornography. Why?

I've read that there's evidence that cannabis and other hallucinogenic herbs were used in some Jewish and early Christian worship rituals, as such substances have been used in religious rituals for about as long as there's been religion. I'm pretty sure this is speculative, but if there's anyone out there who would know more than I would about the history of religious practices--Jewish and Christian religious practices in particular, of course--and/or the history of drug use, please, by all means, offer your two cents and then some. I do understand--at least if I'm not mistaken--that many of the Bible's prohibitions and implied prohibitions of occultism and witchcraft, in both the Old and New Testaments, can be translated as referring to the use of intoxicating or mind-altering substances (as such substances were used in pagan religious rituals; that being the case, I would say that undermines any so-called clever exegetical gymnastics that try to claim the Bible prohibits drug use but not witchcraft--not saying anyone's done that that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me that it'd be tried).

Anyways, that's all. What should the Christian attitude be towards the use of marijuana, considering it's not really a "hard" drug, not nearly as dangerous as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, nicotine, or even alcohol to a degree. Why is it so bad? (also, I'd like to ask folks to refrain from the "Christians Should Obey the Law of the Land" argument; as a poster once mentioned in a similar thread, there's Christians in Amsterdam, too.

Oh, and for the record, as I'm some of you might be wondering: I do not, and in honesty never have, used marijuana, and presently lean more toward the traditional view myself. I'd just like to challenge the view, that's all. So don't think I'm some believing pothead trying to excuse his use of the ganj.

Happy Toking, everybody!

[Teallaura]

Yo dude, drugs are illegal in Amsterdam - the laws just aren't enforced. :no: The argument is perfectly valid even if you don't like it. Need to phrase your questions better to get the response you want.

Not interested in taking on the whole litany of problems with the OP so let's just answer the bare bones question: why is marijuana a bad thing from a Scriptural POV? Answer: It's an intoxicant that produces a high level of intoxication totally inconsistent with Biblical usage of alcohol, which would be the only intoxicant mentioned in Scripture as permissible to use at all (come to think of it, is there another intoxicant mentioned in Scripture? :huh:). Scripture specifically decries drunkenness and the act of getting drunk so an intoxicant that will almost invariably cause drunkenness would fall under the prohibitions/exhortations regarding same.

Basically, don't get soused and don't try using something else to get soused with. A little wine to settle your tummy (and I do mean 'little' - full strength wine was considered hard drink) is okay; getting yourself so high you can't fish is not. The intoxication - not the intoxicant - is at issue. Marijuana cannot take on alcohol's role, however - it's simply too strong.

[SinikalSaint]

Yo dude, drugs are illegal in Amsterdam - the laws just aren't enforced. :no: The argument is perfectly valid even if you don't like it. Need to phrase your questions better to get the response you want.

Not interested in taking on the whole litany of problems with the OP so let's just answer the bare bones question: why is marijuana a bad thing from a Scriptural POV? Answer: It's an intoxicant that produces a high level of intoxication totally inconsistent with Biblical usage of alcohol, which would be the only intoxicant mentioned in Scripture as permissible to use at all (come to think of it, is there another intoxicant mentioned in Scripture? :huh:). Scripture specifically decries drunkenness and the act of getting drunk so an intoxicant that will almost invariably cause drunkenness would fall under the prohibitions/exhortations regarding same.

Basically, don't get soused and don't try using something else to get soused with. A little wine to settle your tummy (and I do mean 'little' - full strength wine was considered hard drink) is okay; getting yourself so high you can't fish is not. The intoxication - not the intoxicant - is at issue. Marijuana cannot take on alcohol's role, however - it's simply too strong.
My bad, Teallaura; my point with the Amsterdam crack was that the legality of a given substance is beside the point of the topic I'm trying to bring forth (also, it's worth noting, that in the Netherlands, while yes there are drug laws, they are less strict than they are here in the States and even in other countries in Europe; and the use of marijuana, while not "100% legal," to quote Vincent Vega, is regulated; there are even legal "coffee shops" where, if I'm not mistaken, the sale and use of certain small amounts of marijuana are allowed).

Your answer was a good one, and I'd say it works for me. Any challengers?

[The Midge]

(come to think of it, is there another intoxicant mentioned in Scripture? :huh:).
Yes: the drink offered to Jesus on the cross was a sedative drug of somekind.

[dizzle]

It is never portrayed as recreational. One cannot compare medicinal with recreative.

[Amazing Rando]

They renamed Biblical Ethics "Bible study Group" for some reason.

edit to add Ah, the original name seems to have been restored. :thumb:

[dizzle]

Can we move this thread then? (thank you boom!!!)

[timspong]

Physically and mentally pot is damaging. It also causes permanent short term memory loss.

As far as the spiritual relm is concerned. Many of us lack spritiual discernment in a sober state let alone when high. We are just not able to operate with true Godly discernment in that state. The enemy could easly use your state of mind to convince you of just about anything.

[Lady Gooner]

I am now seeking to do the same thing with the use of marijuana. Not drugs in general, mind you--though I encourage y'all to feel free to mention other drugs, legal or illegal, prescription or over-the-counter, "hard" or "soft,"--in your contribution to the discussion as you see fit. But the topic is about marijuana, specifically. The prevailing (the by no means the sole, although differing views are quite rare) Christian attitude toward the use of marijuana is not unlike that of harder drugs, or, perhaps, pornography. Why?

I've read that there's evidence that cannabis and other hallucinogenic herbs were used in some Jewish and early Christian worship rituals, as such substances have been used in religious rituals for about as long as there's been religion. I'm pretty sure this is speculative, but if there's anyone out there who would know more than I would about the history of religious practices--Jewish and Christian religious practices in particular, of course--and/or the history of drug use, please, by all means, offer your two cents and then some. I do understand--at least if I'm not mistaken--that many of the Bible's prohibitions and implied prohibitions of occultism and witchcraft, in both the Old and New Testaments, can be translated as referring to the use of intoxicating or mind-altering substances (as such substances were used in pagan religious rituals; that being the case, I would say that undermines any so-called clever exegetical gymnastics that try to claim the Bible prohibits drug use but not witchcraft--not saying anyone's done that that I know of, but it wouldn't surprise me that it'd be tried).

Anyways, that's all. What should the Christian attitude be towards the use of marijuana, considering it's not really a "hard" drug, not nearly as dangerous as cocaine, heroin, ecstasy, nicotine, or even alcohol to a degree. Why is it so bad? (also, I'd like to ask folks to refrain from the "Christians Should Obey the Law of the Land" argument; as a poster once mentioned in a similar thread, there's Christians in Amsterdam, too.

Oh, and for the record, as I'm some of you might be wondering: I do not, and in honesty never have, used marijuana, and presently lean more toward the traditional view myself. I'd just like to challenge the view, that's all. So don't think I'm some believing pothead trying to excuse his use of the ganj.

Happy Toking, everybody!

This is a very general and broad response as your OP addresses several issues.

Firstly, Marijuana was used in Ancient Judaic and / or early christian rituals.

Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are: immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, outbursts of anger, disputes, dissensions, factions, envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God. (Galatians 5:19-21)

Aparently the word "sorcery" as used in the above verses is the Greek word pharmakeia, from which we get the English word "pharmacy." The primary meaning being "the use or the administering of drugs" therefore the loose association with sorcery or idolatry and drug use keeping you out of heaven, not being a greek or language scholar I am not really qualified to say much more than that on this arguement.

Hard drug/soft drug?
In Britain cannabis used to be classified as a class "A" drug, at present it is a class "C" though there are moves to reclassify it again, But whether it is "A", "B" or "C" it is a drug. Consumption is still prohibited, It alters your perceptions, behaviour, and often affects emotional status. Although the Bible does not address marijuana directly, it does discuss other mind-altering drugs and strongly advises against using them especially in excess.

Is marijuana an intoxicant?
Even proponents of marijuana usage encourage users never to drive a motor vehicle while using marijuana. when one uses marijuana, one is legally intoxicated and incapable of clear thinking and reasonable reactions.

Breaking the law?
Christians are commanded by the scriptures to be in subjection to governing authorities and submit to every human institution and whilst there maybe a laxidazical enforcement of using marijuana as a prohibited substance it is in most countries still illegal.


Freedom in Christ? That freedom is never a licence for sin:

For you were called to freedom, brethren; only do not turn your freedom into an opportunity for the flesh, but through love serve one another. (Galatians 5:13)

Act as free men, and do not use your freedom as a covering for evil, but use it as bondslaves of God. (1 Peter 2:16)

"Everything is permissible for me"--but not everything is beneficial. (1 Corinthians 6:12)


Everything God created is good?
Yes, true! everything God created is good, but these good things can be turned into evil. Sexual relations are good within marriage, but adultery is evil. both are forms of sex, which was created by God for good, but not all that men do with it is good. Likewise poisonous mushrooms are good for breaking down dead wood, but definately bad for eating. Hemp is good for making rope, does that mean we should smoke it?

[Teallaura]

Yes: the drink offered to Jesus on the cross was a sedative drug of somekind.
Gall isn't an intoxicant to the best of my knowledge - it is a sedative I believe. Could be right though. :shrug:

[rogue06]

Why is cannabis... uh, wrong? Well... Oh crap! I forget what I was going to say dude.:smile:

[rogue06]

Gall isn't an intoxicant to the best of my knowledge - it is a sedative I believe. Could be right though. :shrug:



Oh no, I've never heard of anyone getting intoxicated on sedatives :ahem: BTW, pot always acted as a sedative for me. Too much and I took a nap.

[Smokering]

Hmm, quick google search on gall:

The Greek text indicates that they gave Him wine (Gk., oinos) to drink. Gall is a general term referring to something bitter (cf. Ps. 69:21). Mark 15:23 says that myrrh was mixed with the wine. Myrrh is a bitter gum resin that was put into the wine as a way of calming a person (cf. Psalm 69:21). In the first century A.D. it was thought to have narcotic properties (Dioscorides Pedanius, Materia Medica, I.lxiv.3).

The soldiers didn't look on the drugging of the victim as an act of mercy; they didn't care if the victim suffered or not. The drugging accommodated them because it might have been very difficult to hammer four nails through someone's limbs if he weren't drugged to some degree. Consequently, it was helpful for them to have some way to drug their victim.
http://www.biblebb.com/files/MAC/sg2395.htm

At this point Jesus was first offered a drink of wine vinegar mixed with gall, a powerful anaesthetic mercifully provided by the women of Jerusalem to crucifixion victims to dull their pain--and their wits. Jesus, knowing that His atonement for our sins required His suffering, refused it.
http://aibi.gospelcom.net/articles/cruxf.htm

So, calming/anaesthetic. That makes sense. Of course, the medicinal use of a substance (although Jesus refused it) is a different thing from recreational use. Cannabis has some fairly well-documented uses for pain relief, especially (IIRC) in cancer victims. Obviously smoking it, which is how many medicinal users take it, isn't the brightest thing to do. But taking it in liquid form, provided by a reputable chemist--why not? Being slightly alternative when it comes to medicine, I'd rather take something natural than a cocktail of chemicals.

Cannabis has been strongly linked to schizophrenia, which in my view is enough to make it 'wrong'--risking the strain and pain schizophrenia can cause to yourself and loved ones is just selfish. Of course, by the same token risking the p. and s. of lung cancer makes smoking selfish too, but that's more of a legal issue than a moral one.

[Teallaura]

Oh no, I've never heard of anyone getting intoxicated on sedatives :ahem: BTW, pot always acted as a sedative for me. Too much and I took a nap.
What's your problem, dude? Sedatives aren't always intoxicants - usually not. Gall doesn't appear to have been used as an intoxicant and from the blurb Smokey just posted (thanks by the way) it doesn't appear to have that effect.

[Teallaura]

My bad, Teallaura; my point with the Amsterdam crack was that the legality of a given substance is beside the point of the topic I'm trying to bring forth (also, it's worth noting, that in the Netherlands, while yes there are drug laws, they are less strict than they are here in the States and even in other countries in Europe; and the use of marijuana, while not "100% legal," to quote Vincent Vega, is regulated; there are even legal "coffee shops" where, if I'm not mistaken, the sale and use of certain small amounts of marijuana are allowed).

Your answer was a good one, and I'd say it works for me. Any challengers?Fair enough. And I apologize - i rather expected something else from your OP and I came on stronger than I should have (not that A justifies B; just explanatory).

[rogue06]

What's your problem, dude? Sedatives aren't always intoxicants - usually not. Gall doesn't appear to have been used as an intoxicant and from the blurb Smokey just posted (thanks by the way) it doesn't appear to have that effect.


I don't believe I ever said nor implied that sedatives are always intoxicants. What I clearly and simply stated was: "Oh no, I've never heard of anyone getting intoxicated on sedatives :ahem:" Considering the popularity of such things as "downers" during the '60s and quaaludes in the '70s I think I have some basis for my comment. And I think your disclaimer at the end of "usualy not" reveals that you are aware of this too.

[DukeOfEastaboga]

First of all let me say that I am anti-pot however have run into a reasonable arguement with some pro-pot people (potheads) and they point to Genesis 1:12 it says "The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good" Notice is says "plants bearing seed" pot bears seed and God looked on it and saw that it was good. And God had to know that pot could make you high b/c he created it. So why would God give something that property and never want it to be used??

P.S. please dont be mean i dont smoke anything much less pot. :(

[Gabby]

First of all let me say that I am anti-pot however have run into a reasonable arguement with some pro-pot people (potheads) and they point to Genesis 1:12 it says "The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good" Notice is says "plants bearing seed" pot bears seed and God looked on it and saw that it was good. And God had to know that pot could make you high b/c he created it. So why would God give something that property and never want it to be used??

P.S. please dont be mean i dont smoke anything much less pot. :(

Poison Ivy produces seeds, does that mean you should smoke it? Parsley produces seeds, why don't they smoke that? Just because God created Poison Ivy and Parsley doesn't mean that it was was even intended to be used in what ever way the imagination could come up with, or that it is even wise to try.

chris

[rogue06]

When I was in Jamaica many years back, a couple of Rafstas/Rafstarians (I'm sure I'm spelling it wrong) insisted that "ganja" was the Burning Bush of Mt. Sinai. They said it was like a sacrament to them. I don't know how much of this was stoned ramblings :shrug:


BTW gabbailey, perhaps a better question would be why did God create poison ivy at all? Same goes for mosquitoes... but that's getting way off topic.

[DukeOfEastaboga]

Poison Ivy produces seeds, does that mean you should smoke it? Parsley produces seeds, why don't they smoke that? Just because God created Poison Ivy and Parsley doesn't mean that it was was even intended to be used in what ever way the imagination could come up with, or that it is even wise to try.

chris

But poison ivy or parsley wont make you high if you smoke it (i think) and when God created those things he created them to serve a purpose, I don't know what that is for poison ivy but parsley is used to decorate food. And I'm sure someone some where can think of a use for poison ivy. All I'm saying is sin is when we take something God has made and abuse it i.e. sex, wine, too much food, too much rest. But with pot not everyone can use it's God given properties. For instance God created sex and everyone can enjoy sex in the proper context.... so what is the proper context for using pot?

P.s please don't get mad I'm just giving the arguement that was given to me.:smile:

[Gabby]

But poison ivy or parsley wont make you high if you smoke it (i think) and when God created those things he created them to serve a purpose, I don't know what that is for poison ivy but parsley is used to decorate food. And I'm sure someone some where can think of a use for poison ivy. All I'm saying is sin is when we take something God has made and abuse it i.e. sex, wine, too much food, too much rest.

Maybe cannabis was intended by God to be a great fiber (clothing, rope ect) plant and a great source of Omegas to be eaten and never intended to be smoked and when it's smoked is when it is being abused. Besides you could suck on the pipe of a vehichle and get high, that doesn't make it right or good for you so I bet you could get some interesting side affects smoking poison ivy and parsley as any time you replace the oxygen in your lungs with something else you get a high.

But with pot not everyone can use it's God given properties. For instance God created sex and everyone can enjoy sex in the proper context.... so what is the proper context for using pot?

P.s please don't get mad I'm just giving the arguement that was given to me.:smile:

What do you mean not everyone can use pot and it's God given properties?? That doesn't make sense at all.

[Teallaura]

I don't believe I ever said nor implied that sedatives are always intoxicants. What I clearly and simply stated was: "Oh no, I've never heard of anyone getting intoxicated on sedatives :ahem:" Considering the popularity of such things as "downers" during the '60s and quaaludes in the '70s I think I have some basis for my comment. And I think your disclaimer at the end of "usualy not" reveals that you are aware of this too.Obviously I knew that - I also knew that gall isn't referred to in Scripture in any capacity besides medicinal. I was pretty sure from reading about it previously that it was only a seditive/analgesic and not an intoxicant. Hence my questioning it in the first place. As I recall, I even allowed that I could be mistaken.

Then you come along with the attitude - and that's what I don't get. You act like gall must be an intoxicant because sedatives can also be intoxicants and that there's something wrong with pointing out that it is a sedative and probably not an intoxicant. The whole :ahem: thing - I mean really, what gives with you? This like a personal deal or what?

[Teallaura]

First of all let me say that I am anti-pot however have run into a reasonable arguement with some pro-pot people (potheads) and they point to Genesis 1:12 it says "The land produced vegetation: plants bearing seed according to their kinds and trees bearing fruit with seed in it according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good" Notice is says "plants bearing seed" pot bears seed and God looked on it and saw that it was good. And God had to know that pot could make you high b/c he created it. So why would God give something that property and never want it to be used??

P.S. please dont be mean i dont smoke anything much less pot. :(
Reverse the question - why did God make nightshade?

The NH of the Garden is not known. It's illogical to assume that plants which we know adapt over time were exactly then as they are now. In fact, given that there was no death in the Garden, I'd bet that none of what was there then is precisely the same as it is now - why have protective measures when there's nothing to protect yourself from?

Perhaps the chemical is an adaptation subsequent to the Fall meant to protect the plant from pests, in which case getting high off of it is a misuse of the property.

[Gabby]

Reverse the question - why did God make nightshade?

The NH of the Garden is not known. It's illogical to assume that plants which we know adapt over time were exactly then as they are now. In fact, given that there was no death in the Garden, I'd bet that none of what was there then is precisely the same as it is now - why have protective measures when there's nothing to protect yourself from?

Perhaps the chemical is an adaptation subsequent to the Fall meant to protect the plant from pests, in which case getting high off of it is a misuse of the property.

Not to mention that people have been selectively breeding cannabis to increase the THC concentration. So the plant that everyone smoked in the 60's probably wouldn't even give the pothead today a buzz.

[rogue06]

Obviously I knew that - I also knew that gall isn't referred to in Scripture in any capacity besides medicinal. I was pretty sure from reading about it previously that it was only a seditive/analgesic and not an intoxicant. Hence my questioning it in the first place. As I recall, I even allowed that I could be mistaken.

Then you come along with the attitude - and that's what I don't get. You act like gall must be an intoxicant because sedatives can also be intoxicants and that there's something wrong with pointing out that it is a sedative and probably not an intoxicant. The whole :ahem: thing - I mean really, what gives with you? This like a personal deal or what?




I'm sorry, I didn't realize I was dealing with the seriously humor-impaired. BTW, at no time did I ever mention "gall."

[Timothy Leary]

There's nothing wrong with the use of Cannabis, per se. Know your body, Know your mind.

Marijuana cannot take on alcohol's role, however - it's simply too strong.

Each person is different, and different chemicals - be it Alcohol, THC, Psilocin, or whatever makes your day - it will effect you differently based on your body chemistry. But Marijuana is certainly safer than alcohol.

Just like alcohol, Marijuana has many, *many* different types and varieties. Some smell like fruit, others smell like a Skunk (no pun intended, potheads). Some is green. Others are white. Others even come out dark purple!

Potency can vary *widely*. There's some stuff out there that will make you into a couch potatoe after a few 'hits'. Then again, there's stuff like I had not too long ago which isn't even worth smoking.

[Meta Knight]

Rafstas/Rafstarians (I'm sure I'm spelling it wrong)
Rastafarians

[neonmagek]

Yo dude, drugs are illegal in Amsterdam - the laws just aren't enforced. :no: The argument is perfectly valid even if you don't like it. Need to phrase your questions better to get the response you want.

Not interested in taking on the whole litany of problems with the OP so let's just answer the bare bones question: why is marijuana a bad thing from a Scriptural POV? Answer: It's an intoxicant that produces a high level of intoxication totally inconsistent with Biblical usage of alcohol, which would be the only intoxicant mentioned in Scripture as permissible to use at all (come to think of it, is there another intoxicant mentioned in Scripture? :huh:). Scripture specifically decries drunkenness and the act of getting drunk so an intoxicant that will almost invariably cause drunkenness would fall under the prohibitions/exhortations regarding same.

Basically, don't get soused and don't try using something else to get soused with. A little wine to settle your tummy (and I do mean 'little' - full strength wine was considered hard drink) is okay; getting yourself so high you can't fish is not. The intoxication - not the intoxicant - is at issue. Marijuana cannot take on alcohol's role, however - it's simply too strong.
What did Jesus drink at the last supper?
This is a Christian Only area

[Teallaura]

Wine - watered down as per custom.

[brother vinny]

1 Peter 5:8 commands us to "Be sober, be vigilant. . . ". Now, the command to be "sober" here isn't a call to abstention from a particular intoxicant, but rather to having a serious mind. However, I don't see the recreational use of drugs as particularly conducive to vigilance or serious-mindedness.

The stresses of life are the trials by which God intends to work patience in us (see James 1). Escaping these stresses through drugs, erotic pleasure, or entertainment (I've been guilty of at least two of these) stunt the spiritual growth of the Christian.

[Nazaroo]

Pot is obviously wrong. Just look at what happened to the film industry, with movies like Cheech and Chong, and Wayne's World.

It should clearly be banned, before some new nightmarish movie is released, or worse, a 'president' gets 're-elected' without a proper vote count, the Pentagon attacks WTC, and we go to war against the wrong country to arrest a dead man named Ben Laden.

...but that could never happen....could it?

[Timothy Leary]

George Washington was pro-pot

(I'm not joking here, either)

[Jedidiah]

Maybe cannabis was intended by God to be a great fiber (clothing, rope ect) plant and a great source of Omegas to be eaten . . . .

Eating pot will also get you high. Ever hear of magic brownies?

[Gabby]

Eating pot will also get you high. Ever hear of magic brownies?

I have no idea, I just thought the browies were for the muchies people got. :shrug: I do sprinkle a bit of hemp seed on my cereal in the mornings though.

[Jedidiah]

I have no idea, I just thought the browies were for the muchies people got. :shrug: I do sprinkle a bit of hemp seed on my cereal in the mornings though.

You do toast them, right?

[Timothy Leary]

You do toast them, right?
Why would it matter?

[Gabby]

Nope, I just sprinkle them right out of the can. :shrug: What does toasting do?

[Timothy Leary]

Nope, I just sprinkle them right out of the can. :shrug: What does toasting do?
I'm thinking Jed might think they can get you high.
But even if the seeds were from THC-producing breeds of cannabis
Seeds can't get you high. The only thing you can get from them is a headache.

[Jedidiah]

I'm thinking Jed might think they can get you high.
But even if the seeds were from THC-producing breeds of cannabis
Seeds can't get you high. The only thing you can get from them is a headache.

No, I just thought they would taste better toasted.

In any case cooking does not, in my experience, alter the effects of the material. Consider the magic brownies.

For the general information of readers, I do not support the use of pot, or any other drug. My experiences were well over 30 years ago - pre Christian.

[Gabby]

I've never ever gotten a buzz off of my hemp seeds. :shrug:

[Jedidiah]

I've never ever gotten a buzz off of my hemp seeds. :shrug:

See post #39 above.

[Timothy Leary]

No, I just thought they would taste better toasted.

In any case cooking does not, in my experience, alter the effects of the material. Consider the magic brownies.

For the general information of readers, I do not support the use of pot, or any other drug. My experiences were well over 30 years ago - pre Christian.
You old hippie you!

[Jedidiah]

You old hippie you!

I did live in San Francisco during the "birth of the hippie" era. I was never a full fledged member - lived outside the Haight-Ashbury, and never got into hard drugs, but as the hippie breed came into existence I thought for a while that folks were going to see things more like I did. But, they went way on beyond me.

[Teallaura]

I was still young in the hippee era - but I thought they were the biggest hypocrites on Earth after some of the crap they pulled. "Do your own thing" was evidently defined as 'do your own thing as long as it's our thing, too".


:brood:

[Jedidiah]

I was still young in the hippee era - but I thought they were the biggest hypocrites on Earth after some of the crap they pulled. "Do your own thing" was evidently defined as 'do your own thing as long as it's our thing, too".

Very much like most self proclaimed nonconformists. It just means conforming to a different standard.

[outcast]

you took my awnser

[Vicious D]

I'm thinking Jed might think they can get you high.
But even if the seeds were from THC-producing breeds of cannabis
Seeds can't get you high. The only thing you can get from them is a headache.

Seeds dont give you a headache. They have 2 amino acids not found anywhere else on earth that help fight against cholesterol. They also have the most protein found any where uncooked.

Why do christains think cannabis is bad, when old bibles, the first american flag, school books, encyclopedias, and a lot of our first documents made in america are made from hemp. Hemp was going to be the first Billion dollar plant ever. 1 acre of hemp is equal to 4.1 acres of trees of paper. Hemp seed oil can be made into plastics that is biodegradable that is stronger than steel. It can be made into clothes, rope, and other foods to fight world hunger so why do you think its a such a bad thing. No 1 has ever died from smoking pot as well. No death in the history of earth has come from smoking pot. What about all the medical pluses they have for your body.

The reason it is illegal is bc Du Pont in the early 1900s found that you can make all of things from oil like plastics, nylon, and other stuff like that. Du Pont had big wigs in the Congress and House to do anti-marijuana slogans like Reefer Madness. If hemp was legal then paper and oil companys would go out of business. How you ask own oil companys? Well the Bushs own 2 oil companys and what are we in Iraq for right now? A trillion dollars worth oil in the middle east.

Refusing to grow hemp in america was against the law in the 17th and 18 century. In Virgnia it was illegal to not grow hemp from 1763-1769. So how can you guys go on on about how bad it is. It be grow almost anywhere. You throw it on the ground and boom it grows. Hemp could of brought america out of the Great Depression by opening millions jobs for americans. I dont believe that something so good for you and could do so much good in the world, God(whatever you believe the world means) would find this a bad thing for you. In the bible it states that everything should be done in moderation.

[Teallaura]

Tell ya what, you come up with an easily distinguishable variety that has no THC and I'll support an exemption for growing that variety. In the meantime, all those products are already being produced - unless there's some new market why would hemp cause a particular growth rather than merely a shift?

Oh, and off the top of my head there was a fatal train wreck a number of years back with quite a few people killed. Cause? Engineer was high on marijuana - I suspect those folks and their families would agree that those deaths are directly attributable to marijuana use - as are a number of others even if I accept your assertion that there have been no OD or otherwise related to personal consumption deaths (which I don't as I find it highly dubious).

[Vicious D]

Hemp(the male plant) has .00000000000001% THC . The female plant is what you smoke. Yes all these products are being made thats not my point. The point is how they are being made. We are wasting our oxgyen producing plants instead of planting hemp which has 1 year turn around instead of trees that have have 5 or 6 year turn around. Like i stated before 1 acre of hemp is equal to 4.1 acres of trees. Plastics whould be biodegradble unlike they are today which are just trash and casue green house gasses when making those plastics and nylon. And apartly you have never tried marijuana bc it doesnt keep you from doing your daly activites just makes less likely to do these. I have had little to no memory loss from smoking or eating pot. I use pot as a anti-depressent. When i was prescribed anti-depressent manmade drugs they made me have no emotions and made me gain lost of weight. Since i have switch to marijuana i have 1000 of emotions and have actually lost 20 lbs. In excess yes marijuana can lead to other harmful stuff but the fact is i use it in moderation like most things i do. I'm a climber and i practice judo along with meditation. The facts are that marijuana has vast purposes for medicinal needs that would not need MANMAD DRUGS so why dont we consider all these manmade drugs bad when they are more harmful than pot that grows naturally. dont you think GOd knows all the good it does. There are more good points to marijuana to bad. That is what i was getting at.

[Teallaura]

Ya lost me the instant you tried the idiotic 'well, you haven't tried it' canard. I haven't tried standing in front of a moving bus either - but I'm pretty danged sure it'd hurt!

Well, it was a lovely (if incoherent) sermon... Gotta go wash out my brains now...

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