What Is Man?

[seer]

Two very stark views of mankind. In one men are just the accidental by product of the forces of nature, no ultimate purpose, no overriding justice - in reality no good or evil. In the other view men have a purpose, were created for a reason. And have a future - what we do here has eternal consequences raising our behavior to a level far beyond what is the case in a godless universe. Our behaviors are much more important because we are much more important.

[shunyadragon]

Two very stark views of mankind. In one men are just the accidental by product of the forces of nature, no ultimate purpose, no overriding justice - in reality no good or evil. In the other view men have a purpose, were created for a reason. And have a future - what we do here has eternal consequences raising our behavior to a level far beyond what is the case in a godless universe. Our behaviors are much more important because we are much more important.

[seer]

First, an objective view from the scientific view does not consider the physical nature of our humanity as well as the nature of our physical existence 'accidental.' Being an accident would refer to an event or circumstance that is unpredictable or unforeseeable. This is not the case for the nature of our physical existence.

Really, our existence was foreseeable and predictable? By whom? And if you don't like accidental we could say that there was no purpose for humankind.

[firstfloor]

The natural emergence of human beings is not inevitable but it is possible. The emergence of life is obviously much more likely. It is our rarity in the cosmos that gives us value. But the appreciation of that value is for us alone to consider. The cosmos does not know us and is unwittingly hostile to our continued existence. Even we hate ourselves so much that we design bombs to kill ourselves by the millions and we invent religions and gods to divide us.

[shunyadragon]

Really, our existence was foreseeable and predictable? By whom? And if you don't like accidental we could say that there was no purpose for humankind.

The belief that there is no purpose for humanity is likewise a simplistic extreme view, like Dawkins. It is not whether I like accidental or not, it is a bad choice of words. Yes the existence of life, and humanity is predictable by natural causes. It is not necessarily the only out come in any given world in our universe, but it is a consistent predictable outcome by natural causes.

[shunyadragon]

The natural emergence of human beings is not inevitable but it is possible. The emergence of life is obviously much more likely. It is our rarity in the cosmos that gives us value. But the appreciation of that value is for us alone to consider. The cosmos does not know us and is unwittingly hostile to our continued existence. Even we hate ourselves so much that we design bombs to kill ourselves by the millions and we invent religions and gods to divide us.

Actually it is unknown how rare the natural emergence of human beings is, because we have insufficient information as to how common planets similar to ours is in our universe. We are only just beginning to discover a few planets near by that are in some way similar to ours. Considering the great expanse of time, space, and galaxies involved we have a long way to know how common intelligent life like humans is in the cosmos.

[seer]

The belief that there is no purpose for humanity is likewise a simplistic extreme view, like Dawkins. It is not whether I like accidental or not, it is a bad choice of words. Yes the existence of life, and humanity is predictable by natural causes. It is not necessarily the only out come in any given world in our universe, but it is a consistent predictable outcome by natural causes.

It is not simplistic Shuny, of course there is no purpose for man - if there is please tell us what that purpose is. And no human life is not predictable because it is not a necessary consequence of natural forces.

[Truthseeker]

**EXTRA ** Shunyadragon implicitly claims he can answer who, where, when, how, why questions about a given person's death. **EXTRA**

[shunyadragon]

It is not simplistic Shuny, of course there is no purpose for man - if there is please tell us what that purpose is. And no human life is not predictable because it is not a necessary consequence of natural forces.

Then you believe there is no purpose for humanity. Is that right?

[shunyadragon]

**EXTRA ** Shunyadragon implicitly claims he can answer who, where, when, how, why questions about a given person's death. **EXTRA**

No, but seer seems to have everything worked and all the questions answered.

[firstfloor]

Actually it is unknown how rare the natural emergence of human beings is, because we have insufficient information as to how common planets similar to ours is in our universe. We are only just beginning to discover a few planets near by that are in some way similar to ours. Considering the great expanse of time, space, and galaxies involved we have a long way to know how common intelligent life like humans is in the cosmos.

[seer]

Then you believe there is no purpose for humanity. Is that right?

No, I'm saying that if atheism/materialism is true there is no purpose for humankind. But as a Theist of course I believe we were designed for a purpose.

[firstfloor]

No, I'm saying that if atheism/materialism is true there is no purpose for humankind.

It just means that you have to be your own god and discover your purpose by yourself.

[shunyadragon]

The assumption of the Fermi paradox is flawed: (1) It assumes habituated earth like planets with intelligent beings ever develop interstellar travel. We haven't, and it is an open question whether we will ever be able to. (2) There is a possibility though very very small that they have visited us. (3) Our horizon in space and time for discovering other earth-like planets is limited by present technology even in our galaxy. (4) There are likely millions if not billions of possible galaxies we have no access at present. (5) If your blind it is unlikely that you will see anyone beyond the tip of your nose.

[seer]

It just means that you have to be your own god and discover your purpose by yourself.

Yes, as Hitler did, and Mao, and Stalin....