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It worked out great for the Natives, their example should be followed."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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What happened to the Native Americans was a travesty from beginning to end, with few exceptions.
That said, two wrongs don't make a right.
Also, not sure this belongs here. Opening post does not appear to be intended to provoke serious discussion.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by Baldie the Limey View PostI'm quite sure that their way of life was owed to European explorers anyway. Horses enabled them to develop more, and they warred with each other to the point of extinction at times. Their way of life wasn't all roses and buttercups.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostWhat happened to the Native Americans was a travesty from beginning to end, with few exceptions.
That said, two wrongs don't make a right.
Also, not sure this belongs here. Opening post does not appear to be intended to provoke serious discussion.
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Originally posted by Baldie the Limey View PostI'm quite sure that their way of life was owed to European explorers anyway. Horses enabled them to develop more, and they warred with each other to the point of extinction at times. Their way of life wasn't all roses and buttercups.
However, my main point is regarding all the angst in some political quarters about immigrants, and not nearly so much about the First Nations.
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Originally posted by Outis View PostI don't accept the suggestion that immigration without assimilation is intrinsically wrong. It can be workable, it can be unworkable, but I reject the suggestion that there's a hard and fast rule either way.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI agree, there's no hard and fast rule either way (though I would nearly categorically reject demands for complete assimilation). It depends on expectations of the immigrant's destination, IMO.
Like so many areas of conflict in American opinion, the best results are half improvise, half compromise, and are generally condemned by many from both extremes.
The United States has historically expected a fair amount of assimilation. Japan, on the other hand, does not want you, and will not permit you to assimilate.
But yet the argument from some (even from some present here) reminds me of another meme I've seen on the Internet from time to time:
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Originally posted by Baldie the Limey View PostI'm quite sure that their way of life was owed to European explorers anyway. Horses enabled them to develop more, and they warred with each other to the point of extinction at times. Their way of life wasn't all roses and buttercups.
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Originally posted by Outis View Post[ATTACH=CONFIG]320[/ATTACH]That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThe difference is that the Europeans made no mistake that their intent was conquest. The illegals today have no such ambition. They come to bilk the current system of resources, while the Europeans planned (and succeeded) to replace the existent one. Comparing the two isn't very proper IMHO...
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostThey come to bilk the current system of resources, while the Europeans planned (and succeeded) to replace the existent one. Comparing the two isn't very proper IMHO...
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThat's not true. There are radical Mexican groups that do express such conquest.That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
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- Stephen R. Donaldson
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