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shadowmaster
April 26th 2007, 02:11 PM
In a world with aggresive, competing philosoplies and gregarious "leaders".

NUKES ARE NEXT TO BE USED.

The first --- in a year or so -- It may be Iran

So thinks the Shadowmaster.


Any other more optimistic outlooks?
Timothy Leary
April 26th 2007, 02:52 PM
No

Iran is smarter than that.
Raptor
April 26th 2007, 05:39 PM
I think we are all smarter than that.
Nordic Kid
May 2nd 2007, 10:47 AM
I think I'll move back to Spitzenberg and avoid all these problems.
Ryokan
May 2nd 2007, 10:51 AM
No

Iran is smarter than that.

Exactly. iran wants nukes to keep all its nuclear armed neighbors at bay and bully the gulf states. They are rational, and won't sell them. The risk is the current regime falls or weakens enough they lose track of one of the nukes they built.
Bill the Cat
May 2nd 2007, 10:51 AM
I think the Palestinians will get their hands on a small one and hit Israel.
shadowmaster
May 2nd 2007, 11:18 AM
Shadowmaster thinks that it may be Israel who is preemptive.
Bill the Cat
May 2nd 2007, 12:00 PM
Not a chance. Israel wants the land because it is God's gift to them via the 12 tribes. They would not decimate any part of it so as to make it uninhabitable. The Palestinians OTOH are not so attached to the land as they are to killing or totally removing the Jews.
shadowmaster
May 2nd 2007, 12:02 PM
Not a chance. Israel wants the land because it is God's gift to them via the 12 tribes. They would not decimate any part of it so as to make it uninhabitable.

Not even Iran which vows to wipe them out and is developing nuclear capability?
Bill the Cat
May 2nd 2007, 12:05 PM
Not even Iran which vows to wipe them out and is developing nuclear capability?

I was referring to Palestinians, not the Iranians. I really don't think Israel will nuke Iran. That'd be the ultimate rally for the Muslim Middle East to totally wipe Israel out.
shadowmaster
May 2nd 2007, 12:10 PM
I was referring to Palestinians, not the Iranians.
Shadowmaster's OP mentioned Iran.

I really don't think Israel will nuke Iran. That'd be the ultimate rally for the Muslim Middle East to totally wipe Israel out.

Either that or the ultimate reason to stop threatening them.
Timothy Leary
May 2nd 2007, 02:57 PM
Not a chance. Israel wants the land because it is God's gift to them via the 12 tribes. They would not decimate any part of it so as to make it uninhabitable. The Palestinians OTOH are not so attached to the land as they are to killing or totally removing the Jews.

You make the mistake of thinking that Israel is a religious state.
Bill the Cat
May 2nd 2007, 03:26 PM
Nah, I know better. Most is secular, but the leaders are not fools. They realize thare is still a strong religious influence, both from the Jews and Christians, as well as the interest of the Christians in America. The lands occupied by both Israel and the Palestinians hold deep religious value for the tourism industry. Plus, the religious still have a certain modicum of power in Israel, and something as foolish as nuking their promised land would cause quite an uproar.

Just tossing ideas.

Bill
Pilgrim
May 2nd 2007, 03:33 PM
I was referring to Palestinians, not the Iranians. I really don't think Israel will nuke Iran. That'd be the ultimate rally for the Muslim Middle East to totally wipe Israel out.

What do the Israeli's care? They think God will protect them right? Oh wait, I guess that's the Left Behind types.
Darth Executor
May 2nd 2007, 03:53 PM
What do the Israeli's care? They think God will protect them right? Oh wait, I guess that's the Left Behind types.

Plus the middle east tried to wipe Israel out already when they were in a much better position to do so and failed miserably.
Timothy Leary
May 2nd 2007, 06:07 PM
Nah, I know better. Most is secular, but the leaders are not fools. They realize thare is still a strong religious influence, both from the Jews and Christians, as well as the interest of the Christians in America.

Yes, but when push comes to shove, it's the secular Jews who make the order about whether or not to open fire. They've proven they'll attack religous Jews before and they wouldn't hesitate to do so again.

Would you like a few gruesome examples?
djdavo
May 2nd 2007, 11:04 PM
Exactly. iran wants nukes to keep all its nuclear armed neighbors at bay and bully the gulf states. They are rational, and won't sell them. The risk is the current regime falls or weakens enough they lose track of one of the nukes they built.

the country that just told barber shops to stop giving men 'western style' haircuts & plucking their eyebrows or suffer the punishment of being whipped is a rational government?

if you think they're not going to give nukes to whoever to further their twisted agenda of wiping israel (& the western world) off the face of the map is extremely naive.
Ryokan
May 3rd 2007, 08:13 AM
the country that just told barber shops to stop giving men 'western style' haircuts & plucking their eyebrows or suffer the punishment of being whipped is a rational government?

if you think they're not going to give nukes to whoever to further their twisted agenda of wiping israel (& the western world) off the face of the map is extremely naive.

I think that the old men in power have two twisted agendas: stay in power and keep Iran a religious state. Those are paramount. So they won't nuke us first. Their lieutenants are the ones to worry about.
Jimmy Higgins
May 4th 2007, 10:45 AM
the country that just told barber shops to stop giving men 'western style' haircuts & plucking their eyebrows or suffer the punishment of being whipped is a rational government?

if you think they're not going to give nukes to whoever to further their twisted agenda of wiping israel (& the western world) off the face of the map is extremely naive.Or your ideology is warped.

The current Iranian leadership isn't sitting high with lots of approval. And Iran can't just give out nukes. First they need to develop a nuclear bomb. Then they would need to develop a nuclear bomb that was capable of being moved by something other than an airplane. And any nuclear strike with Iran as the source would mean Iran would get cluster bombed back into the Biblical times.

Even Stalin wasn't crazy enough to use his nuclear weapons.
shadowmaster
May 5th 2007, 01:56 PM
Or your ideology is warped.


Even Stalin wasn't crazy enough to use his nuclear weapons.

SM: But Stalin wasn't crazy.

IRAN???
Timothy Leary
May 5th 2007, 04:31 PM
SM: But Stalin wasn't crazy.

IRAN???
Stalin wasn't crazy? :rofl:
This was the guy that Soviet Russia disowned after his death...
shadowmaster
May 5th 2007, 04:51 PM
Stalin wasn't crazy? :rofl:
This was the guy that Soviet Russia disowned after his death...

SM: He was just evil. That's all.

Now Hitler was certifiably crazy.

And there is no Neo to disagree.
decoski
May 5th 2007, 05:05 PM
SM: He was just evil. That's all.

Now Hitler was certifiably crazy.

And there is no Neo to disagree.

Stalin was most certainly crazy. He was paranoid, even with his closest advisors and had them killed.
rogue06
May 5th 2007, 05:09 PM
What I'm afraid of is that some Islamic fanatic (and I think we can all agree that the Iranian government is full of 'em) with a nuclear bomb might decide to guarantee his place in paradise by "cleansing" Muslim lands of the "infection" that they think Israel represents with nuclear fire. In their warped thinking, they may well rationalize that even if their was an Israeli nuclear response (or even one from the U.S.), it wouldn't matter. After all, Israel will be gone and there will still be Muslims left in the region even if every major Islamic city had been nuked. This may be a trade that some nut job would be willing to make.
rogue06
May 5th 2007, 05:13 PM
Stalin was most certainly crazy. He was paranoid, even with his closest advisors and had them killed.



By that definition nearly every dictator who has ever ruled is/was insane.
Timothy Leary
May 5th 2007, 05:19 PM
What I'm afraid of is that some Islamic fanatic (and I think we can all agree that the Iranian government is full of 'em) with a nuclear bomb might decide to guarantee his place in paradise by "cleansing" Muslim lands of the "infection" that they think Israel represents with nuclear fire. In their warped thinking, they may well rationalize that even if their was an Israeli nuclear response (or even one from the U.S.), it wouldn't matter. After all, Israel will be gone and there will still be Muslims left in the region even if every major Islamic city had been nuked. This may be a trade that some nut job would be willing to make.

Equally dangerous are the Kahanist types...
Timothy Leary
May 5th 2007, 05:19 PM
FDR wasn't crazy... :hehe:
shadowmaster
May 5th 2007, 05:22 PM
Stalin was most certainly crazy. He was paranoid, even with his closest advisors and had them killed.

Evil dictators have very good reason to appear be "paranoid". It is true that people want to kill them.That is not really paranoia. Shadowmaster thinks that it pretty much has always been that way. Maybe all evil dictators are crazy.

Put Ahmadinejad on that list.
Timothy Leary
May 5th 2007, 05:55 PM
He's just the Iranian version of Bill O'Reilly
Teallaura
May 5th 2007, 06:17 PM
Bill doesn't have nukes.
shadowmaster
May 5th 2007, 08:39 PM
He's just the Iranian version of Bill O'Reilly

SM: There is no Neo. And if there were, he would be a dork.
Timothy Leary
May 5th 2007, 11:13 PM
SM: There is no Neo. And if there were, he would be a dork.
Quantum Physics proves that you cannot know the state of the Neo
Teallaura
May 5th 2007, 11:47 PM
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle proves Neo is probably a dork.


:teeth:
shadowmaster
May 6th 2007, 02:01 PM
Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle proves Neo is probably a dork.


:teeth:

Indisputably!
Yankee_Doodle
May 8th 2007, 07:16 PM
Exactly. iran wants nukes to keep all its nuclear armed neighbors at bay and bully the gulf states. They are rational, and won't sell them. The risk is the current regime falls or weakens enough they lose track of one of the nukes they built.

assuming they've built a nuke (no one has made such a determination to date.....the last I heard they were years away from building a warhead).
Yankee_Doodle
May 8th 2007, 07:19 PM
SM: He was just evil. That's all.

Now Hitler was certifiably crazy.

And there is no Neo to disagree.

I think they were both evil & crazy??
Losvedir
May 8th 2007, 07:30 PM
In a world with aggresive, competing philosoplies and gregarious "leaders".

NUKES ARE NEXT TO BE USED.

The first --- in a year or so -- It may be Iran

So thinks the Shadowmaster.


Any other more optimistic outlooks?

No "in a world", Jack (http://www.apple.com/trailers/miramax/comedian.html)
Chaotic Void
May 15th 2007, 08:59 PM
In a world with aggresive, competing philosoplies and gregarious "leaders".

NUKES ARE NEXT TO BE USED.

The first --- in a year or so -- It may be Iran

So thinks the Shadowmaster.


Any other more optimistic outlooks?

I wouldn't be surprised if Iran [or some other Nation in the Middle east] uses a nuke, but whoever does drop the bomb has to face the consequences:

I highly doubt that the US of A would take such an ambitious move so lightly [if they are gutsy enough to use one, they probably won't hesitate to use another somewhere else no?], and might respond with their own. And I'm sure that the United States of America isn't the only nation with Nukes that wouldn't reply with their own. Basically, it would be International War against the first one to drop the Bomb. Government might get overthrown, yadda yadda yadda.

Basically, no one has the balls to use them because they are afraid of what will happen to them. and Considering what might happen to them, I can't blame them.

who will be the first nation crazy enough to Unleash a Nuke? Could be Iran, could be Israel, it could even the the US of A. Only time will tell.