Does God's Sovereignty Logically Preclude Real Choice?

[Anupokritos]

I have heard the position of reformed theology on the issue of real choice, and it seems to me to be rather simple.

God's Sovereignty logically eliminates man's ability to really choose. The end result is, that reformed theologians seem to hold the position that God purposes the choices of men as he sees fit, or man had no real choice at all.

Is this true? What about God's sovereignty would logically eliminate the ability for man to have real choice?

[National Intelligence Director Phoenix]

I have heard the position of reformed theology on the issue of real choice, and it seems to me to be rather simple.

God's Sovereignty logically eliminates man's ability to really choose. The end result is, that reformed theologians seem to hold the position that God purposes the choices of men as he sees fit, or man had no real choice at all.

Is this true? What about God's sovereignty would logically eliminate the ability for man to have real choice?

Hi Anupokritos. Let's look at your question.

For the record, I am not a Calvinist, but I'm curious why you think sovereignty eliminates man's ability to choose.

[Anupokritos]

Hi Anupokritos. Let's look at your question.

For the record, I am not a Calvinist, but I'm curious why you think sovereignty eliminates man's ability to choose.

I don't. I am wondering why some people do, is there a logical reason that necessitates such belief?

[Chief of Staff Lizard]

Nick, if you don't mind, I would like to jump in "on the Calvinist side" and you be counter point to your point. With one big caveat. I differ from many Calvinist in that when it comes to "logical" restrictions on free will, I tend toward Molinism.

[themuzicman]

To be honest, it depends on how you define "sovereignty."