Unconditional?

[Hitch]

Why was Esau excluded?


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Hitch

[Xmansmommy]

Excluded? :huh:???

[Solly]

Hitch, you will have to enlarge on your question, as I am not sure why it would even be in eschatology.

[Hitch]

Yeah, I thought UnconditionalAbrahamicCovenant would overwhelm the subject line...


If this covenant is unconditional ,as DF claims,,,

Why is Esau excluded?

What provision of the 'unconditional covenant' is applied to allow this?


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Hitch

[RevSteve45]

Hitch,

Your post shows an extreme ignorance of the Abrahamic Covenant. The promise is, as always, made to those descendants of Abraham, who are of a similiar kind of faith, as Abraham had. Jesus makes this clear, as does John the Baptist:

Matt 3:9, And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. (KJV)

John 8:39, They answered and said unto him, Abraham is our father. Jesus saith unto them, If ye were Abraham's children, ye would do the works of Abraham. (KJV)

Not only that, but Gentiles who have saving faith in God are together with the believing children of Abraham in the Kingdom:

Matt 8:11-12, And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.
12 But the children of the kingdom shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (KJV)

It is the faithful REMNANT of the Jews, who place saving faith in Jesus their Messiah, who will inherit the promises made to Abraham. Those Gentiles who have believed upon Jesus Christ will inherit the promises together with the remnant of believing Jews.

Esau would not do the works of Grandfather Abraham, and God knew this, in His foreknowledge. Therefore God said:

Rom 9:13, As it is written, Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated. (KJV)

Unbelievers are unbelievers, whether they are Jews or Gentiles, descendants of Abraham or simply descendants of Adam. Unbelievers do not inherit the promises of God, believers do, be they Jew or Gentile. Remember this promise, Hitch!

Rom 9:25-28, As he saith also in Osee, I will call them my people, which were not my people; and her beloved, which was not beloved.
26 And it shall come to pass, that in the place where it was said unto them, Ye are not my people; there shall they be called the children of the living God.
27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
28 For he will finish the work, and cut it short in righteousness: because a short work will the Lord make upon the earth. (KJV)

Rom 11:25-27, For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, UNTIL THE FULNESS OF THE GENTILES BE COME IN.
26 And so ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins. (KJV)

In His Service,
Steve

[Hitch]

Yawn,,, "Esau would not. do the works" .

That makes it conditional.

H

[RevSteve45]

Hitch,

Yes, I agree the promise is conditional. My only point is, that the disobedience of Esau, and countless MILLIONS of descendants of Abraham & Isaac does not void the promise to Abraham, and those who have like FAITH as Abraham!

In His Service,
Steve

[Hitch]

There is a word that describes and defines those who have faith like Abe.

Christian.


Take care

Hitch

[RevSteve45]

Hitch,

You said,


There is a word that describes and defines those who have faith like Abe.

Christian.

Yes, and there are Jews who have become Christians as well, usually known as Messianic Jews.

Just FYI, ALL the promises & coivenants of God in the Bible are CONDITIONAL. The Abrahamic Covenant is no exception.

In His Service,
Steve

[Hitch]

Today @ 11:30 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=204443#post204443)
RevSteve45:

Hitch,

You said,



Yes, and there are Jews who have become Christians as well, usually known as Messianic Jews.

Just FYI, ALL the promises & coivenants of God in the Bible are CONDITIONAL. The Abrahamic Covenant is no exception.

In His Service,
Steve Ya know I've never said anything more anti DF myself.

Jesus can cure anything.


Take care

Hitch