Oh How Nature Has Deceived Us!

[seer]

OK, summing up the recent debates with atheists on this board, it seems that the evolutionary process has created us with some very deceptive beliefs or tendencies:

1. Our experience of free will is an illusion.

2. Our conscious rational deliberations play no effective role in the decision making process.

3. The almost universe tendency to believe in the divine is false.

4. The almost universal tendency to believe in the afterlife is false.

5. Our sense of universal justice is also a lie.

So nature has created us with defective brains, concerning some very fundamental issues. But of course the atheist's brain is not so deceived - nature has endowed him with clarity. So he thinks...

[Sparko]

Clearly since your brain is defective, your logic is defective meaning that your brain is not defective, which means your logic is unassailable, which means that your brain is defective, which means your logic is defective meaning that your brain is not defective, which means your logic is unassailable, which means that your brain is defective, which means.. well you get it.

or do you?

[seer]

Clearly since your brain is defective, your logic is defective meaning that your brain is not defective, which means your logic is unassailable, which means that your brain is defective, which means your logic is defective meaning that your brain is not defective, which means your logic is unassailable, which means that your brain is defective, which means.. well you get it.

or do you?

[Littlejoe]

Clearly since your brain is defective, your logic is defective meaning that your brain is not defective, which means your logic is unassailable, which means that your brain is defective, which means your logic is defective meaning that your brain is not defective, which means your logic is unassailable, which means that your brain is defective, which means.. well you get it.

or do you?

only if it was determined that you would...

[The Thinker]

OK, summing up the recent debates with atheists on this board, it seems that the evolutionary process has created us with some very deceptive beliefs or tendencies:

1. Our experience of free will is an illusion.

2. Our conscious rational deliberations play no effective role in the decision making process.

3. The almost universe tendency to believe in the divine is false.

4. The almost universal tendency to believe in the afterlife is false.

5. Our sense of universal justice is also a lie.

So nature has created us with defective brains, concerning some very fundamental issues. But of course the atheist's brain is not so deceived - nature has endowed him with clarity. So he thinks...

No nature has not created us all with defective brains - that implies none of us can ever get anything right. That's wrong. Nature created us with brains capable of being right, and capable of being wrong. That's why we had to develop methodologies like science and logic to circumvent these flaws. Science and logic are religion's no. 1 enemies. But yes, all of 1 to 5 is an illusion.

[seer]

No nature has not created us all with defective brains - that implies none of us can ever get anything right. That's wrong. Nature created us with brains capable of being right, and capable of being wrong. That's why we had to develop methodologies like science and logic to circumvent these flaws. Science and logic are religion's no. 1 enemies. But yes, all of 1 to 5 is an illusion.

And you know this how? Because you were determined to?

[The Thinker]

And you know this how? Because you were determined to?

I know this because I've seen the evidence.

[seer]

I know this because I've seen the evidence.

And you know what evidence is how?

[The Thinker]

And you know what evidence is how?

My senses.

[seer]

My senses.

How do you know that your brain is process this stimuli correctly?

[Sparko]

Process this:

[The Thinker]

Process this:

Nice.

[The Thinker]

How do you know that your brain is process this stimuli correctly?

My consciousness.

[Truthseeker]

My consciousness.

My consciousness is telling me that your consciousness . . . did what, exactly? Could you possibly explain further?

[The Thinker]

My consciousness is telling me that your consciousness . . . did what, exactly? Could you possibly explain further?

How do I know - that's the key word. The only way we can know anything is via consciousness because that's what allows us subjectivity.