Is this a forum or a graveyard?

[FreezBee]

It's not as if much is happening in here, is it?

So I will ask again: how can we inspire some life into this forum? What subjects would be of interest to the general more-or-less Neo-pagan?

Possibly people could tell why they became Neo-pagan (that's probably been done several times before).

Personally I became a Satanist at the age of 13 due to a certain experience. Not that I became an atheist, I just discovered a dark side of God.

This I why I occasionally call my self Christian, because i am not sure there's really all that much difference. Words are labels, and I don't think labels tell all there is to tell.

How about you?


- FreezBee

[rogue06]

Satanists are Christians? Can't think I can agree there :no:

Once dated a girl who turned out to be Wiccan. She nearly poisoned me with a love potion she tried to slip me. She told me that she thought Wiccans and Christians were basically the same thing. Not to sound bigoted or ntolerant, but no they're not the same. I pray you return to the "light side" if that doesn't sound to "Jedish."

[Heartablaze]

Personally I became a Satanist at the age of 13 due to a certain experience. Not that I became an atheist, I just discovered a dark side of God.

This I why I occasionally call my self Christian, because i am not sure there's really all that much difference. Words are labels, and I don't think labels tell all there is to tell.

How about you?


- FreezBee

Hi, Freezbee! I was just wondering what you meant by "dark side of God" and what it is you do believe about him and our relationship to Him? i.e How do you say you are a Christian?

Thanks in advance.

[furay]

FreezBee,

As a Catholic I just love how your profile is laid out:

Faith: Satanist
Denomination: Lutheran

:lmbo:

[FreezBee]

Satanists are Christians? Can't think I can agree there :no:

Once dated a girl who turned out to be Wiccan. She nearly poisoned me with a love potion she tried to slip me. She told me that she thought Wiccans and Christians were basically the same thing. Not to sound bigoted or ntolerant, but no they're not the same. I pray you return to the "light side" if that doesn't sound to "Jedish."

:lol: Beware of women!!! Do you want to join my attempt to gather enough stones to stone all women in the world? It'll be a great party, and the more the merrier :ale:

As for your question, many Christians do consider Satanists/Wiccans/Etc. as wayward Christians they have to try to bring back to the flock.

As for your wish that I return to the "light side", I am not sure which side is which. Look around you and ask yourself, what is ligt and what is dark :smile:


- FreezBee

[FreezBee]

Hi, Freezbee! I was just wondering what you meant by "dark side of God" and what it is you do believe about him and our relationship to Him? i.e How do you say you are a Christian?

Thanks in advance.

Hi heartablaze, some other day, when I have more time, and feel more prepared. I am aware that throwing out the "rak side of God" and following it up with what I mean can give the impression that I am just calling for attention, but believe me, there's more to it than that.



FreezBee,

As a Catholic I just love how your profile is laid out:

Faith: Satanist
Denomination: Lutheran

:lmbo:

Hi furay;

I can see your point, and there's some meaning behind it. I have been raised as a Lutheran, and my Christian denomination is Lutheran, although I may lean towards the RCC in certain areas. However, there are certain Lutheran pastors that represent something that I cannot really consider to be Christians. So if they are Christians, I must be a Satanist. That's the logic behind it.


- FreezBee

[tmancour]

Satanists are Christians? Can't think I can agree there :no:

Well, while I'll reserve the long and complex deliniation between various sects of Satanists (there are monotheistic, polytheistic, and atheistic flavors) in favor of some of our more learned and respected Satanists, I will say that Satan, as popularly understood, is a Christian deity, not generally a Pagan deity (unless you are one of the miniscule number of Semetic Pagans who have devoted themselves to Shaitan.). There is no Satan in Wicca, for example, or Druidism. Y'all brought him up, y'all deal with him.



Once dated a girl who turned out to be Wiccan. She nearly poisoned me with a love potion she tried to slip me. She told me that she thought Wiccans and Christians were basically the same thing. Not to sound bigoted or ntolerant, but no they're not the same. I pray you return to the "light side" if that doesn't sound to "Jedish."


"Who turned out to be Wiccan"? Hmmm. While I understand your annoyance at being poisoned, but please understand that this is NOT standard Wiccan practice. But sometimes it happens with misguided newbies. And you are right: Wicca and Christianity are NOT the same. Christians have eschewed the sacred life force in favor of an empty promise at immortality from an anti-sex death cult. Not to sound bigoted or intolerant . . .


Arion the Blue

[FreezBee]

Well, while I'll reserve the long and complex deliniation between various sects of Satanists (there are monotheistic, polytheistic, and atheistic flavors) in favor of some of our more learned and respected Satanists, I will say that Satan, as popularly understood, is a Christian deity, not generally a Pagan deity (unless you are one of the miniscule number of Semetic Pagans who have devoted themselves to Shaitan.). There is no Satan in Wicca, for example, or Druidism. Y'all brought him up, y'all deal with him.

That's a matter of definition. Satanists may have very different reasons for choosing the name 'Satan' and whether they regard Satan as a person or a more abstract principle or whatever else.

The biblical satan is not just one character, but several, and that's a subject of its own.


If Wicca acknowledges a life force, there is a Satan in Wicca -- if not, there is only death in Wicca. Pick your choice. It is yours. For eternity.


- Freezee

[tmancour]

That's a matter of definition. Satanists may have very different reasons for choosing the name 'Satan' and whether they regard Satan as a person or a more abstract principle or whatever else.

The biblical satan is not just one character, but several, and that's a subject of its own.


If Wicca acknowledges a life force, there is a Satan in Wicca -- if not, there is only death in Wicca. Pick your choice. It is yours. For eternity.


- Freezee

How charmingly dramatic! No, there is no Satan character in Wicca. That whole dualistic dichotomy is not a product of Northern European Paganism (from which Wicca is mostly derived), but of Middle-Eastern insistance on literalism. You may want to inject Satan into Wicca and the other traditions, but that's your cross to bear, so to speak, not ours.

Wicca and the other traditions DO venerate the lifeforce, as well as the deathforce in the service of the lifeforce. And all this crummy BS about "eternity" is crap. Life is a cycle, and that includes birth-life-death-afterlife repeat as necessary. When reincarnation is involved in your cosmology, the rules change dramatically.

Arion

[FreezBee]

How charmingly dramatic! No, there is no Satan character in Wicca. That whole dualistic dichotomy is not a product of Northern European Paganism (from which Wicca is mostly derived), but of Middle-Eastern insistance on literalism. You may want to inject Satan into Wicca and the other traditions, but that's your cross to bear, so to speak, not ours.

Isn't Wicca more Celtic slanted? (But that may count as Northern European, of course :smile:).



Wicca and the other traditions DO venerate the lifeforce, as well as the deathforce in the service of the lifeforce.

But then you ARE Satanists :smile:



And all this crummy BS about "eternity" is crap. Life is a cycle, and that includes birth-life-death-afterlife repeat as necessary. When reincarnation is involved in your cosmology, the rules change dramatically.

Not really crap. The tchoices you do through your life, will they be undone by your death? You live for ever through the impact you do while you are alive. Eternity is for real. Even without reincarnation.


- FreezBee

[tmancour]

Isn't Wicca more Celtic slanted? (But that may count as Northern European, of course :smile:).


That's how I count it. Plenty of Norse and pre-Celtic lore thrown in there, too, among others.




But then you ARE Satanists :smile:


Not by my definition. I refuse to let my religion be defined by someone else, using standards not my own. The very idea of Satan as an antithetical deity is foreign to most Neo-Pagan beliefs and practices. We are not dualists in that way. Death is not the "enemy".




Not really crap. The tchoices you do through your life, will they be undone by your death? You live for ever through the impact you do while you are alive. Eternity is for real. Even without reincarnation.


Now we get into the fun-filled field of semantics. Why should my choices be undone by my death? I hope not! I made those choices, and I'd like to keep them, thank you. I don't "live forever" -- a great Wiccan maxim (from Valiente's popular "Charge of the Goddess") is "Nothing, not even Death, is forever." I am far less concerned about my eventual legacy than I am about my current life. Petty of me, I know . . .

Arion

- FreezBee[/QUOTE]

[FreezBee]

That's how I count it. Plenty of Norse and pre-Celtic lore thrown in there, too, among others.

So, Wicca is kind of a witch's brew, is it?



Not by my definition. I refuse to let my religion be defined by someone else, using standards not my own. The very idea of Satan as an antithetical deity is foreign to most Neo-Pagan beliefs and practices. We are not dualists in that way. Death is not the "enemy".

:huh: You apparently suffer from having been intoxicated with the Christian concept of Satan. I am sure that an appropriately trained witch can cure your disease.



Now we get into the fun-filled field of semantics. Why should my choices be undone by my death? I hope not! I made those choices, and I'd like to keep them, thank you. I don't "live forever" -- a great Wiccan maxim (from Valiente's popular "Charge of the Goddess") is "Nothing, not even Death, is forever." I am far less concerned about my eventual legacy than I am about my current life. Petty of me, I know . . .

But your legacy would be based on your (current :huh:) life, wouldn't it? Even a legend has had to do at least something to start the legend rolling, right?


- FreezBee

[tmancour]

So, Wicca is kind of a witch's brew, is it?


Well, if you wanted to be trite and banal, yes, you could say that.



:huh: You apparently suffer from having been intoxicated with the Christian concept of Satan. I am sure that an appropriately trained witch can cure your disease.


And you apparently don't have an understanding of either modern Satanism or modern Wicca. Hmm. As a matter of fact, you sound amazingly like this gadfly I used to know . . .




But your legacy would be based on your (current :huh:) life, wouldn't it? Even a legend has had to do at least something to start the legend rolling, right?


But I am not freaking out over my legacy. My only real legacy is my children. All else pales in comparison.



- FreezBee


Are you quite certain that's the appropriate signature? Hmmmmm.

[FreezBee]

Well, if you wanted to be trite and banal, yes, you could say that.

Ok, I admit that I made a joke :lmbo:

But as you indicate, there was some sense to it?



And you apparently don't have an understanding of either modern Satanism or modern Wicca. Hmm. As a matter of fact, you sound amazingly like this gadfly I used to know . . .

What variety of modern Satanism?



But I am not freaking out over my legacy. My only real legacy is my children. All else pales in comparison.

Oh, how about people that have no children? Where do they fit into your thoughts?



Are you quite certain that's the appropriate signature? Hmmmmm.

Yes -- 'Freezbee' is the name of my Diablo II Ice Bowazon, and at a time, when I was playing a lot Diablo II, I started using the name in Internet discussion boards.


Yours truly - FreezBee

[tmancour]

Ok, I admit that I made a joke :lmbo:

But as you indicate, there was some sense to it?


We have no problem acknowleging that ours is a syncretic religion. It doesn't bother us. When you don't have a text-based revelatory religion, it opens up whole new possibilities for spiritual advancement.




What variety of modern Satanism?


Point taken. But what experience do you have of Wicca?




Oh, how about people that have no children? Where do they fit into your thoughts?


They can carve out whatever legacy they feel best about. I can't speak for them. I'm a parent, and so I shall always be, and that fundamentally colors my perspective about such things.




Yes -- 'Freezbee' is the name of my Diablo II Ice Bowazon, and at a time, when I was playing a lot Diablo II, I started using the name in Internet discussion boards.


Yours truly - FreezBee

Well, for the time being I'll treat you as a seperate entity. RichBee has a habit of using other screen names when he gets banned. Either way you'd deny it.

Arion

[Conductor42]

Come on now, don't you know the saying?

BURN THE WITCH!

That's why it's a graveyard here.

:hehe:

[FreezBee]

We have no problem acknowleging that ours is a syncretic religion. It doesn't bother us. When you don't have a text-based revelatory religion, it opens up whole new possibilities for spiritual advancement.

I agree here -- text-based revelatory religions tend to equip people with a straight-jacket .. that raely fits :sigh:



Point taken. But what experience do you have of Wicca?

Not much directly, I have to admit. My little sister is somewhat into it, but I am not sure exactly how much.

I have som interest in Wicca, because it might correspond with some ideas that I myself had -- and to some extent still have -- but that my actual life didn't quite give me the possibilities to pursue.



They can carve out whatever legacy they feel best about. I can't speak for them. I'm a parent, and so I shall always be, and that fundamentally colors my perspective about such things.

Fair enough :thumb:

But is it ok for me to interpret that as that you accept that 'fertility' need not be taken in a too strict sense? It is all a question of seeing something grow and develop, perhaps a child, perhaps something else.


- FreezBee

[FreezBee]

Come on now, don't you know the saying?

BURN THE WITCH!

That's why it's a graveyard here.

:hehe:

:lol: But possibly they had not all been burned.

- FreezBee

[Conductor42]

:lol: But possibly they had not all been burned.

- FreezBee
True. We did a Jack Bauer on the others.

j/k

[FreezBee]

True. We did a Jack Bauer on the others.

:huh: And, pray tell me, what is a 'Jack Bauer'? Does it hurt? Much?

- FreezBee