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37818
03-13-2016, 08:14 AM
One of the main things Christians don't believe about Christ is what He taught BEFORE Gethsemane and before His crucifixion:

John 17:4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.

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Your claim against Christians is not true.
What Christ finished [τελειόω] prior to the cross is not what He finished [τετέλεσται], paid in full, on the cross.

Cow Poke
03-13-2016, 02:25 PM
:popcorn:

Catholicity
03-15-2016, 05:24 PM
Hey umm Jo you once told me the religious branch you were involved in, is it still the one related mormonism that was founded by one of Smith's relatives' Just curious. PM me if you like and I'm glad to see you.

Marta
03-20-2016, 12:21 AM
Your claim against Christians is not true.
What Christ finished [τελειόω] prior to the cross is not what He finished [τετέλεσται], paid in full, on the cross.

John 17:


5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

11 I will remain in the world no longer, but they are still in the world, and I am coming to you. Holy Father, protect them by the power of your name, the name you gave me, so that they may be one as we are one.

13 “I am coming to you now, but I say these things while I am still in the world, so that they may have the full measure of my joy within them.

17 Sanctify them by the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you sent me into the world, I have sent them into the world. 19 For them I sanctify myself, that they too may be truly sanctified.

Jesus watched over his own, "Jesus Greater Than Moses" Hebrews 3:

1Therefore, holy brothers and sisters, who share in the heavenly calling, fix your thoughts on Jesus, whom we acknowledge as our apostle and high priest. 2He was faithful to the one who appointed him, just as Moses was faithful in all God’s house. 3Jesus has been found worthy of greater honor than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honor than the house itself. 4For every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything. 5“Moses was faithful as a servant in all God’s house,”a bearing witness to what would be spoken by God in the future. 6But Christ is faithful as the Son over God’s house. And we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory.

James Cusick
04-17-2017, 09:11 AM
From Jo's thread = The Decline ... (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?10005-Jo-s-derail-from-quot-The-Decline-of-Mormonism-quot&p=298365#post298365)

One of the main things Christians don't believe about Christ is what He taught BEFORE Gethsemane and before His crucifixion:

Instead, Christianity teaches that Christ's work was finished on the cross. Christianity also teaches that Christ died for our sins. He died BECAUSE of them; IOW, because of the iniquities of the people, they killed Him. Isaiah prophesied about this:

Strong's dictionary explains that the use of the word "for" in the phrase "for our transgressions" (as well as the phrase "for our iniquities"--which is the belief that we are better, or chosen....in someway above others) is translated as such:

This translation assists us in being able to see and accept what Christ taught when He said that He had finished the Father's work BEFORE Gethsemane and the cross. The teaching that Christ's work was finished on the cross is a false teaching taught by false prophets; that teaching teaches a false Christ. His work had already been finished; and, He died because of our transgressions. His death does not have the ability to save us from our transgressions; He died because of them. He DID teach a way to live in peace. He did not bring peace, as is evidenced by how we don't live the way He taught. The world is certainly NOT living in peace. While He did not enforce the way He taught, He WILL set up a government which will establish peace when He returns.

Obviously, there hasn't even been a start to the peace that shall have no end. If anything, there has been even more hate generated through the religion created which uses His name. More often than not, those who claim His name attack those who question the doctrines and religious trappings of their "Christianity" (thus they use His name in vain). This is just another manifestation of how they don't believe Christ. He taught us methods of peace in dealing with others. The "religious" LOVE to put others down and make fun of the belief systems of those who don't agree with their own system. They have killed over it.

Christ is giving us plenty of time for us to "repent" of the way we were living before He entered mortality the first time. The religious do plenty of "repenting"....they repent of their "sins" according to the "laws" which religions define as "sin". However, neither the religious nor the non-religious have "repented" of living their way of non-peace; which is why His message has not given us the power to create peace. He will set-up the same government which is the one that has been used worlds without end. It will finally be able to establish peace because we will be able to trust Him....He will be a truly righteous and fair Governor/administrator. Hence, every knee shall bow. We shall bow in recognition of His wisdom and worthiness of our trust. He will reign as Lord of lords, King of kings, the Prince of Peace!! That just hasn't started yet. We have first been given the chance to save ourselves from the mess we have made on earth. What He is going to save us from is our iniquities which cause us to not be able to live the method He taught.

The Lord taught this about His church through His True Messenger, Joseph (but again, they don't believe Him as evidenced by everything that got added because they desired it):

Here is the Lord's take on religion:

If the Jews had understood this teaching, they would have given up their religion; but they loved their religion too much and were blind to what the Lord was teaching them through His True Messenger.

Before you comment about how some may think that that message from the Lord was ONLY to the people of Sodom and/or Gomorrah, read here (it was not what most people think...i.e., it was not about sexual sin):

(Keep in mind what pure religion is....and that it is not what religion teaches is religion.)

It is because of the traditions of our fathers taught to us about Christ that people will not be able to see and hear what Christ taught about Himself. They will choose to see through the eyes of their religious beliefs; thus will only be able to see what they want to see. They are repeating what the Jews did through their religion. While Christ did not forbid the Jews to continue practicing their religion (because that would have interfered with their free will desire to live their religion), He DID teach those words which Father wanted Him to teach....and those words taught a way to live in peace. Even after more than 2000 years, we have not been able to live that way.
I like everything this lady declares here.

Cheers to thee.

Bill the Cat
04-17-2017, 10:45 AM
From Jo's thread = The Decline ... (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?10005-Jo-s-derail-from-quot-The-Decline-of-Mormonism-quot&p=298365#post298365)

I like everything this lady declares here.

Cheers to thee.

Jo was mentally unstable in real life. Like seriously unstable. And she was a Mormon/Gnostic.

James Cusick
04-17-2017, 11:59 AM
Jo was mentally unstable in real life. Like seriously unstable. And she was a Mormon/Gnostic.
I find it troubling that you would cut down a person like this, and obviously you expect me to embrace that prejudice.

Being mentally unstable (if it is true?) does not mean the person has to be viewed as wrong or unknowing.

A mentally ill person can still be accurate just as they can be brilliant or very intelligent.

Have you not seen the true-life movie called = A Beautiful Mind? Link HERE (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Beautiful_Mind_(film)).

And I said that I liked what Jo said - so do you really expect that I would change my comment or my view based on your slander of that person?

Do you not know the horrible wrong of this? = Attacking the messenger, or shooting the messenger.

And by being Mormon/Gnostic she must be wrong too = well that is not correct in my view.

rogue06
04-17-2017, 12:02 PM
Jo was mentally unstable in real life. Like seriously unstable. And she was a Mormon/Gnostic.
Was she the one who married FrankTalk?

Bill the Cat
04-17-2017, 12:16 PM
Was she the one who married FrankTalk?

Yes.

Bill the Cat
04-17-2017, 12:18 PM
I find it troubling that you would cut down a person like this, and obviously you expect me to embrace that prejudice.

No, stupid. I know more about this woman than you do from a single post.


Being mentally unstable (if it is true?) does not mean the person has to be viewed as wrong or unknowing.

Again, you know her from 1 single post. I know her real life circumstances. So please just shut up.


And by being Mormon/Gnostic she must be wrong too = well that is not correct in my view.

Well your views are stupid, so...

James Cusick
04-17-2017, 01:24 PM
No, stupid. I know more about this woman than you do from a single post.

Again, you know her from 1 single post. I know her real life circumstances. So please just shut up.

Well your views are stupid, so...
So you think that gives you some license to talk dirt about this woman? or about any other person? ~ No, it does not.

And I guess that calling me as "stupid" is to be a display of how classy you are? ~ Well no, it is not.

And yet you are a Moderator here - giving us your example of Christian values. :sigh:

Cow Poke
04-17-2017, 01:31 PM
From Jo's thread = The Decline ... (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?10005-Jo-s-derail-from-quot-The-Decline-of-Mormonism-quot&p=298365#post298365)

I like everything this lady declares here.

Cheers to thee.

I'm shocked. :brood: Shocked, I tell you.

Cow Poke
04-17-2017, 01:38 PM
So you think that gives you some license to talk dirt about this woman? or about any other person? ~ No, it does not.

And I guess that calling me as "stupid" is to be a display of how classy you are? ~ Well no, it is not.

And yet you are a Moderator here - giving us your example of Christian values. :sigh:

Her views were all over the place.
She started off being a very determined Mormon apologist, with whom many of us interacted frequently.
She hooked up with a man who was very anti-universalist, and wrote frequently about how universalism cannot be scriptural.
He pretended to be a Mormon to win her over, then dragged her into universalism, and led her to attack the church she once defended.
He was a low life scumsucking fraud who scammed her and abused her and took her for all she had.

This is a very personal matter to many of us who saw her as a friend.

James Cusick
04-17-2017, 02:32 PM
Her views were all over the place.
She started off being a very determined Mormon apologist, with whom many of us interacted frequently.
She hooked up with a man who was very anti-universalist, and wrote frequently about how universalism cannot be scriptural.
He pretended to be a Mormon to win her over, then dragged her into universalism, and led her to attack the church she once defended.
He was a low life scumsucking fraud who scammed her and abused her and took her for all she had.

This is a very personal matter to many of us who saw her as a friend.
Many women get hooked up with nasty men ~ nasty is often like a magnet to both the men and to the women.

The comment that I quote from her marked as March 11, 2016 is brilliant and enlightened. See it HERE (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?9987-The-claim-Christians-don-t-believe&p=433840&viewfull=1#post433840).

Honestly I do not view it as fitting to talk dirt about that man either, as their relationship is not the topic for any discussion here.

And you are criticizing that man based on his religion = and that too is reprehensible.

Cow Poke
04-17-2017, 02:55 PM
Many women get hooked up with nasty men ~ nasty is often like a magnet to both the men and to the women.

The comment that I quote from her marked as March 11, 2016 is brilliant and enlightened. See it HERE (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?9987-The-claim-Christians-don-t-believe&p=433840&viewfull=1#post433840).

Honestly I do not view it as fitting to talk dirt about that man either, as their relationship is not the topic for any discussion here.

And you are criticizing that man based on his religion = and that too is reprehensible.

You really are quite full of yourself.

Bill the Cat
04-18-2017, 05:19 AM
So you think that gives you some license to talk dirt about this woman? or about any other person? ~ No, it does not.

Who is talking dirt? I stated a fact. One that I know far better than you.


And I guess that calling me as "stupid" is to be a display of how classy you are? ~ Well no, it is not.

I guess John the Baptist wasn't "classy" in your book...

Matt 3:7
But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees coming to where he was baptizing, he said to them: “You brood of vipers! Who warned you to flee from the coming wrath?

Or Paul, the not classy...

Galatians 5:12
As for those agitators, I wish they would go the whole way and emasculate themselves!

Or, Gasp!! Jesus Himself!!...

Matthew 23:15
Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.


So, forgive me if I consider insults ok toward self-righteous fools like you as aligned with the actions of a Prophet, an Apostle, and the Lord Himself.


And yet you are a Moderator here - giving us your example of Christian values. :sigh:

You've shown so far that you know nothing at all about what is Christian, much less Christian behavior.

James Cusick
04-18-2017, 07:12 AM
Blah ... Blah ... Blah ...
So here we stand - in that we can not discuss the subject because the Moderator is determined to cut down and insult some members based on the Moderator's God given right to degrade other members and to derail the topic to suit his own petty disgruntled feelings.

What I did was compliment the member on her excellent post comment and I stand by that still that she spoke true and enlightened and the dirt pushed by the Moderator does not change my view.

I do not see why you and others can not put aside your venom and let the topic be discussed.

Is it that you hate her and her husband so severely that you will not let me and others take about the merits of her comments?

James Cusick
04-18-2017, 07:15 AM
From Jo's thread = The Decline ... (http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?10005-Jo-s-derail-from-quot-The-Decline-of-Mormonism-quot&p=298365#post298365)

I like everything this lady declares here.

Cheers to thee.
Bump.

Sparko
04-18-2017, 07:54 AM
Was she the one who married FrankTalk?and they decided to start their own cult.

Bill the Cat
04-18-2017, 09:02 AM
Bla bla bla?

So, here we stand... an orthodox Christian and a kook. Much of what I know about her situation would anger the average human with even a sliver of compassion, but due to privacy issues, I won't disclose the details.


Needles to say, I'm out of this thread.

Christianbookworm
04-18-2017, 10:05 AM
But only people in the Bible are allowed to insult others! We ain't in the Bible, so we can't call people out on their foolish statements!