Arianism?

[Ani Uriyah]

To hell with you and your Arianism [Uriyah]. You are contemptuous and arrogant. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Whether [Uriyah] realizes it or not he is an Arian and is anti-christ. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Can someone provide me with an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism? I want to see what these so-called Christians are accusing me of.

[Stephen]

Can't find a site made by an Arian supporting arianism, but for info I found:

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id2/arius.htm

[Ani Uriyah]

Thank you, but it is not what I am looking for. To get the true definition of what Arianism teaches, I need to find an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism.

If you can find one, that would be good.

[Stephen]

Can't help you there. I only learned what Arianism actually was till just about an hour ago, and the most I am mentally capable of doing is going to askjeeves.com and typing in "arianism" :-)

[bar Jonah]

I realize the accuser involved spelled it "Arianism."

But did they mean Arian ... or Aryan? I don't know why it occurred to me, but maybe we should make sure we know exactly what we're talking about. Arianism is a theological view. Aryanism is one form of anti-Semitic white supremacy.

[Ani Uriyah]

I'm pretty sure he meant Arianism.

It's so typical for Trinitarians to give people labels, even when the people do not belong to those labels.

[studyhound]

Today @ 08:25 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207278#post207278)
Ani Uriyah:

To hell with you and your Arianism [Uriyah]. You are contemptuous and arrogant. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Whether [Uriyah] realizes it or not he is an Arian and is anti-christ. – Michael, ezboard name “Michaeneu”

Can someone provide me with an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism? I want to see what these so-called Christians are accusing me of.

If I remember right. . . . .

In layman’s terms it is the denial of the deity of Christ. That Christ was a human and not the Son of God.

It was one of the two early heresies along with Gnosticism. Plus I don’t think you will find to many people who still believe seeing as it was for the most part erased from the church in the 3rd or 4th century.

[bar Jonah]

:troll:

Ahhhhhh. Denial of the explicitly stated deity of Jesus in the Bible? Of course he's guilty of that. Open and shut -- he proudly proclaims it.

Of course, I suspect Uriyah may be a Muslim, but that's another matter. He seems incapable of stating the name of any biblical prophet (including Jesus) without following their names with parenthetical words or phrases in what appears to be Arabic. I find that very interesting. But maybe I'm wrong.

Uriyah, you can put this question to rest -- Do you worship Allah, and is Mohammed a prophet of God?

Yes or no?

If no, I will apologize for even asking the question, and we can go from there. (But you still haven't stated what your actual belief system even is.)

[bar Jonah]

Today @ 11:44 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207326#post207326)
studyhound:
If I remember right. . . . .

In layman’s terms it is the denial of the deity of Christ. That Christ was a human and not the Son of God.

It was one of the two early heresies along with Gnosticism. Plus I don’t think you will find to many people who still believe seeing as it was for the most part erased from the church in the 3rd or 4th century.
And btw, the word "sorrow" is misspelled in your signature. :riwink:

[Stephen]

I'm guessing they meant the theological one, given that the signature implies anti-Trinitarian beliefs which coud be considered Arian if my understanding is correct.

[Ani Uriyah]

Do you worship Allah, and is Mohammed a prophet of God?


http://pub13.ezboard.com/fneedsomewisdomfrm9.showMessage?topicID=190.topic

http://pub13.ezboard.com/fneedsomewisdomfrm9.showMessage?topicID=99.topic

Muhammed had sex with a child, was a homosexual who had a boyfriend, who screwed a watermellon and a goat, and all his teachings were taken from other religions and teachings of other teachers that made stuff up, like Midrashes. So you tell me if such a person is a prophet of God (Baruch Hu; Melek ha'olam).

Hmmm, I guess I will bever know what the true teaching of Arianism really was.

[studyhound]

Today @ 10:54 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207330#post207330)
RightIdea:


And btw, the word "sorrow" is misspelled in your signature. :riwink:

NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

(ok I'll fix that thanks:duh: )

[studyhound]

Today @ 11:08 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207333#post207333)
Ani Uriyah:

Hmmm, I guess I will bever know what the true teaching of Arianism really was.

Ok got my facts straight, it is a early christian heresy the says that JESUS was neither eternal nor divine, thus denied the trinity. It was the center of the (and condemned by) council of Nicea, in 325 a.d.

OK, so now ya know, and knowing is half the battle! ( :smug: I am such a geek!!)

[yxboom]

Anti-missionary is my guess.

[Solly]

Or Messianic, Baruch hu, melek ha'olam (Blessed be he, king forever, is my guess) is a big give away; "It's so typical for Trinitarians " is another.

And this from another post:
Ha'Mashiyach (Alav ha'shalom) was anointed with it (Acts 3:26), and cast out demons by it (Matthew 12:28; Luke 11:20).

[Thomas2003]

Well, from what I've seen on the short amount of posts you've done here and the links you've provided to other sites where your posts are - this charge of Arianism is correct.

Arianism re-interprets the Apostles Creed and gives new and unbiblical meanings to the Creed - which is exactly what you are doing.

It is a deliberate effort to interpret Christianity in philosophical terms, because it is deistic and rationalistic, and to convert it into a religious philosophy after the premises and presuppositions of Plato and Philo. You seem to follow all of the traits including the denial of scripture whereby you can deny the authenticity of the New Testament and write your own. It is premised on 3 things.

1.) Christ is a created being
2.) He is not eternally existent
3.) He is not of the same essence of the Father.

You don't believe He was begotten because in one of your posts in a link you provide you go into great depth on why Mary is not a virgin. You've shown here in less than 20 posts that you openly deny and revile that Christ was not eternally existent and is not the same essence of the Father.

So, the Arian charge seems to be definitive - this doesn't mean you haven't progressed and adopted other heretical positions on other doctrines and are not syncretic. But as far as the incarnation is concerned, which is the essence of being a Christian, the Arian label is probably correct.

Sincerely,


Thomas

[Jaltus]

Heck, just find trhe writings of Arius.

[dizzle]

A quote from an article of mine on a different heresy speaks to this point:

Well first of all, using a famous or infamous name with an "ism" attached does not have to mean that the teachings of all such individuals are exact. The modern Hymenaeans cannot even agree amongst themselves about how exactly to redefine the resurrection, but we can all see that they are of the same ilk. It is quite commonplace to refer to Christadelphians and Jehovah's Witnesses as subscribers to "Arianism." However, there are differences between what Arius' teaching and that of his modern day spawn. But, the nexus between them is the primary crux and is what earns them the title. No one who calls a Jehovah's Witness an Arian is making the claim that any particular Jehovah's Witness believes the exact same things that Arius did, just that they share the major pillar in his mythology, i.e. the denial of the deity of Christ. It is the same thing with the modern Hymenaeans. I have no problem stating that there may certainly be differences between the historical Hymenaeus and the neo-Hymenaeans, but what they share in common is a pillar of the mythology.

[Socrates]

Today @ 06:56 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207356#post207356)
Solly:

Or Messianic, Baruch hu, melek ha'olam (Blessed be he, king forever, is my guess) is a big give away; "It's so typical for Trinitarians " is another.

The true Messianic Jews, such as Ariel Ministries, Jews for Jesus and Celebrate Messiah, would disown such Arian heresies.

[Ani Uriyah]

This is quite amusing, you guys are sitting here accusing me of heresy while your teaching is heresy.

Now as for Arianism, until you can find the excat teaching of what Arianism is from an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism, I will look at your accusations as a believer looks at an Atheist who says there is no God out there.

[jpholding]

The request for an Arian website shows remarkable ignorance. Arianism as an official movement died out centuries ago.

People who hold an "Arian" Christology do exist, and the predominant holder of this view is the Jehovah's Witnessess. Consider looking on watchtower.org for material. Not that it really matters whether the view you offer can or will be pigeonholed or not. It's a matter of personal indifference.

[studyhound]

Today @ 09:27 AM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207770#post207770)
Ani Uriyah:

This is quite amusing, you guys are sitting here accusing me of heresy while your teaching is heresy.

Now as for Arianism, until you can find the excat teaching of what Arianism is from an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism, I will look at your accusations as a believer looks at an Atheist who says there is no God out there.

Right so we have to do your foot work to find a website of a dead heresy. You wont find a web site because no group anywhere beleives in it. Only stray rouges like yourself, who buck the authority of the Bible and the historic christian faith.

[Ani Uriyah]

So Arinaisn is dead and no way to prove what it actually taught. Okay, thanks for your information.

[jpholding]

Today @ 06:22 PM post located here (http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=207893#post207893)
Ani Uriyah:

So Arinaisn is dead and no way to prove what it actually taught. .

Uh duh....

Like Jaltus told you, the writings of Arius and his contemporaries are still extant. Hello?

Looks like another one who wants to tell us we're wrong as he sits on a silver platter and barks orders.

[studyhound]

Yes there is all you have to do is read a little christian history. Esp. council of Nicea and the surronding time peirod.

[bar Jonah]

*cough*:troll:*cough*

[dizzle]

Yep, an Arian.

[bar Jonah]

Which begs the question...

Which is worse? An Arian who doesn't recognize the deity of Christ?

Or an Aryan who does?

[Thomas2003]

Which begs the question...

Which is worse? An Arian who doesn't recognize the deity of Christ?

Or an Aryan who does?

An arian that blasphemes Jesus Christ - because his purpose is to disrupt the faith and make it shipwreck in the lives of the week.

Cordially,

Thomas

[bar Jonah]

Thomas2003:
An arian that blasphemes Jesus Christ - because his purpose is to disrupt the faith and make it shipwreck in the lives of the week.

Cordially,

Thomas
Exactly. I just wanted to see if anyone would call it. :ri:

An Arian is certainly worse than an anti-semitic, white-supremacist Aryan.

[AVmetro]

Ani stated:

It's so typical for Trinitarians to give people labels, even when the people do not belong to those labels.

Such as? Simply because we have faith in our views and are not all-inclusive does not make us "typically" arrogant. I wonder what your view of Paul and the Gnostics is?

Ani stated:

Now as for Arianism, until you can find the excat teaching of what Arianism is from an Arian website that teaches all aspects of Arianism, I will look at your accusations as a believer looks at an Atheist who says there is no God out there.

How is the above analogy relevant? A believer knows what an atheist believes (or rather doesn't believe). I would label Henotheism as Arianism. See an article explaining and refuting such here (http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/bibmon.htm) [Reference only].