Griggsy

Originally posted by Griggsy

Yo lunch, that sums it up!Faith doth that to people! We shouldn't have to need that grace and so forth. It's not what He wants, but what is good for us animals! Indeed, morality would contemn Him for permitting pointless evils when the lesser evil or the heavenly good present themselves! Yes, faith does make people take absurd positions.
Per the argument from autonomy, our level ,makes for our being independent beings, not the clay of a callous potter! This new argument answers the supernaturalist

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Originally posted by Griggsy

Yo lunch, that sums it up!Faith doth that to people! We shouldn't have to need that grace and so forth. It's not what He wants, but what is good for us animals! Indeed, morality would contemn Him for permitting pointless evils when the lesser evil or the heavenly good present themselves! Yes, faith does make people take absurd positions.
Per the argument from autonomy, our level ,makes for our being independent beings, not the clay of a callous potter! This new argument answers the supernaturalist

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Originally posted by zorathruster

Originally posted by Griggsy

1. I merely emphasize it as the definitive refutation of the free will argument.

2. Fr. Griggs rests in his Socratic ignorance and humble naturalism.

1. Free will I understand to imply that God allows free will which occationally contradicts "goodness" and therefore creation has evil as a part. This of course does not include "mal-occurance" such as hurricanes, floods, fires, disease which all appear to be out of the control

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Originally posted by Griggsy

I f in Heaven there is free will ,yet no evil, why not on earth?Why the tests as even John Hick acknowledges in " The Encyclopedia of Philosophy?"If Yeshua was perfect man and had free will, why not the rest of us?If his father has free will, why not we. Anyway, there is too much evil to play the Hick's soul-making game, his all or nothing fallacy.We atheists do not play that straw man of Hick. But if if Heaven is Heavenly, then it is the theist who makes the all paradise play and so,

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Originally posted by Griggsy

[Empiricism requires us to eschew all revelations, religious experience,folk psychology, religius traditions and unfounded intuitions.
Successful theories have scope as they explain many facts whilst divine theories explain nothing. The former are simple whilst supernatural ones require convoluted, ad hoc asumptions without any supporting evidence as the emirical argument notes, and violate the Razor. Either we can verify that the supernatural makes for no miracles, miraculous births

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