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Originally posted by Griggsy

[SIZE=4]Why do you believe or not believe?
With Carneades, I say probablity counts, and with David Hume, William Kingdon Clifford and Ernest Nage , I advise proportional your beliefs to the evidence, not like the rush to judgment of Keith Ward and William James![
All arguments from reliigous experience merely reflect people's own minds at work, and to posit Him as making them would beg the question. So, to say one has the beneficient experience that makes

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Reason Magazine recently interviewed famed magician and author Penn Jillette, probably best known for his hit program on Showtime. The man is an incredible entertainer and writer. He's funny, thoughtful, and vocal about his libertarian politics. Naturally, I'm a fan.

But I've never liked what he has to say about religion. And based on the Reason interview, it seems his views haven't changed much since the Penn and Teller episode about the Bible. Jillette is impressed by the shallow

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Originally posted by Griggsy

Subjectivity underpins objective morality!
I take that paradox from John Beversluis's "C.S. Lewis and the Search for Rational Religion." To quote:" The Golden Rule [ I add and the Silver One, g.] is not a substantive moral rule from which we can deduce specific duties: it is a formal rule that requires impartiality.Its substantive moral is provided by are preferences; not as Lewis would have us believe, in the sense of whatever we happen

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Originally posted by Griggsy

Shunyadragon, thanks. Now, then you use reason and facts, not necessarily what some holy book admonishes to do morally, eh?
This covenant morality for humanity ,as I call it , most Brtions follow rather than any derived from the Tanakh and the Testament.. It is consequentialist, deontological and uses the virtues.
The Ten Commandments, if followed , would set up a totalitarian state, in that the first four apply only to honoring Yahweh, nothing of importance for humanity.

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Originally posted by Griggsy

Yo lunch, that sums it up!Faith doth that to people! We shouldn't have to need that grace and so forth. It's not what He wants, but what is good for us animals! Indeed, morality would contemn Him for permitting pointless evils when the lesser evil or the heavenly good present themselves! Yes, faith does make people take absurd positions.
Per the argument from autonomy, our level ,makes for our being independent beings, not the clay of a callous potter! This new argument answers the supernaturalist

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