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Originally posted by Griggsy

Supernaturalists use the arguments from incredulity and from ignorance in arguing about God.

They use Leibniz's colossal blunder in asking why is there something rather than nothing as it is so incredulous to fnd that nothing could exist, and to answer God made Existence is to answer from ignorance.

Why do we find order and regularity and natural laws is to be incredulous and to miss what the pre-Socratics note inhere

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Originally posted by Griggsy

[I] When we naturalists query what made or design , supernaturalists accuse us of committing logical fallacies. William Sahakian alleges that we commit the loaded one of mulitple questions - have you stopped beating your wife, and others that we make the category mistake of comparing Him with us, but it is they who beg the question and special plead to make Him different!
As with the ignostic challenge, we ever must require them to proffer evidence for what they maintain rather

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Originally posted by Griggsy

Lamberth's reduced animism argument notes that theism is just reduced animism and thus supertitious,albeit with one spirit instead of the many of full animism and polytheism. So when you're laughing at the primitives who fear the god of the volcano, you're no better with your one behind all Nature instead of their many behind the forces of Nature. Praying is just a form of animism whether to Thor or to Allah or Yahweh.
Lamberth's non-genetic argument

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Originally posted by Griggsy

It is a contradiction to maintain that causality and teleolgy can be conflated. Evolution is mindless and needs no help from a mind. Teleology presumes a mind in control . To obviate this contradiction, theists with Aquinas want a two category classsification of contingency and necessary being, but that is begging the question as regards to the second category. It would not do to aver that the second is metaphysical whereas the first is physical, for the begged question is still there. Russell

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Originally posted by Griggsy

It is a contradiction to maintain that casualty and teleology can be conflated. Evolution is mindless and needs no help from a mind. Teleoligy presumes a mind in control . To obviate this contradiction, Russell Stannard,physicist, and others want a two category classification of origins or contingency and creation or necessary being ,but that is begging the question as regards to the second category. It would not do to aver that the second is metaphysical whereas the first is physical, for the begged

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