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Originally posted by Seasanctuary

I've been reading a lot about divine command theories of ethics lately, yet I still don't see how all moral goodness can be defined by God's commands, attitudes, or character without ultimately appealing to a standard which need not reference any actual God.

Probably the most common popular-level formulation these days is that morality is defined by God's commands, but God's commands aren't arbitrary because they are based on God's essentially good character. This is probably coming

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Originally posted by Griggsy

God is no authority. How could a a rational person fear Hell when no such thing exists. That idea stems from the minds of misanthropes.
Please address the problems with divine command theories.
The more advanced,industrial ,less religious nations have fewer social problems than we. Religiosity therefore bears no relationship with social morality.
As presented in the thread natural morality-the presumption of humanism, we discover morality and ethics without

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Originally posted by Griggsy

I stand unrefuted! I did not beg that question. Might is right is wrong is part of standard morality. We had the might but not the right to invade Iraq ,for instance.


Theists have to show evidence of any miralcles; would you accept the testimony of the followers of Jim Jones that he caused resurrection of people? Why not the miralcles of other relgions?
It is like patent officers refuse to grant patents to perpetual motion machines- so much evidence to show that

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Originally posted by Genesius

What if over time and through our discoveries in sub-atomic physics and the nature of the universe we find that there are natural i.e. explainable in scientific quantifiable terms, "causes" for miraculous events, does this mean there is no God?

As is often pointed out, in ancient times now explainable natural events were often perceived as miraculous. In the period known as The Enlightment many of these "miracles" were shown to have natural, explainable causes.

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Originally posted by Griggsy

Craig's arguments against infinities are just red herrings. He conflates finite and infinite mathematics to arrive at his silly contradictions.

Science finds no absolute beginning of the Comsos as that would contradict the law of conservation applied to the quantum fields. His obfuscations boomerang on him, showing him to be just another sophist.
His defense of divine genocide reveals his sorry moral code, which then cannot be any objective one!
He distorts what

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