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			<title>A Prayer Request, of Sorts</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 18 May 2013 16:21:19 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[I'm a bit on the busy side this week, so I hope to be back soon to reply to a few posts, but in the meantime I wanted to come on in and say this: 
 
As some of you have probably already heard, Francis Beverly Monson - wife of Thomas S. Monson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - passed away yesterday morning (http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/frances-monson-passes-away).  As a result, I'm sure that this is going to be a difficult time in Thomas S. Monson's life,...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>I'm a bit on the busy side this week, so I hope to be back soon to reply to a few posts, but in the meantime I wanted to come on in and say this:<br />
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As some of you have probably already heard, Francis Beverly Monson - wife of Thomas S. Monson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints - <a href="http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/frances-monson-passes-away" target="_blank">passed away yesterday morning</a>.  As a result, I'm sure that this is going to be a difficult time in Thomas S. Monson's life, and I think it would be a good idea if all of us here - mainstream Christians, Latter-day Saints, and otherwise - took some time to keep Thomas S. Monson in prayer right now, so that he might receive peace and comfort to help him through a trying season.<br />
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:pray::pray::pray:</div>

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			<title>A Crisis of Faith</title>
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			<description>Over the past few months, I have been studying the teachings of Brigham Young. Any Latter-Day Saint knows where this is leading. I have been studying the Adam-God doctrine, his ideas on the Trinity, Kolob, etc. I was shocked to find that the doctrines he preached on were not adding up with my knowledge on scripture as well as modern church teachings. This is on top of the actions of a couple of Mormons on the site, along with other things happening in my life. The point is, I am seriously...</description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>Over the past few months, I have been studying the teachings of Brigham Young. Any Latter-Day Saint knows where this is leading. I have been studying the Adam-God doctrine, his ideas on the Trinity, Kolob, etc. I was shocked to find that the doctrines he preached on were not adding up with my knowledge on scripture as well as modern church teachings. This is on top of the actions of a couple of Mormons on the site, along with other things happening in my life. The point is, I am seriously beginning to doubt my faith. <br />
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I would like to point out that I am on board with Intellectualism. This means that like Socrates and other great thinking minds, I feel the need to question beliefs and dig deeper than most people when it comes to doctrine and other philosophies. This could be what is getting me into trouble. But, rationality is my coping mechanism. And the problem with some BY teachings is they lack rationality. <br />
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Is there just something I'm missing when I read his teachings?</div>

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			<title>A Testimony and an Exhortation</title>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 12 May 2013 01:32:27 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[For some time now, I've been working - partly at the suggestion of some LDS missionaries who were serving in my area a while back - on writing up a paper that incorporated both some of my reflections on my study of Mormonism and my personal testimony.  I've decided that the time is currently suitable to post it here and to open up a thread for feedback, suggestions, discussion, running commentary, debate, haranguing, and so forth.  I'm rather curious to get some thoughts from both my fellow...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>For some time now, I've been working - partly at the suggestion of some LDS missionaries who were serving in my area a while back - on writing up a paper that incorporated both some of my reflections on my study of Mormonism and my personal testimony.  I've decided that the time is currently suitable to post it here and to open up a thread for feedback, suggestions, discussion, running commentary, debate, haranguing, and so forth.  I'm rather curious to get some thoughts from both my fellow mainstream Christians and from my Latter-day Saint friends.  And perhaps there will be something for all of us to learn here.<br />
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Anyway, as the OP, my only real stipulation is a request that participation be substantial, on topic, and not resort to the sort of unsavory tactics (&quot;That's just the logic of man! That's so worldly!&quot;) that have too often plagued discussion in this area.  (And you folks know precisely what I mean.)<br />
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And, of course the customary warning: my tendency toward being... thorough... yeah, that's it, 'thorough'... has hardly abated.  But y'all know you love it. :innocent:<br />
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Here's a sample from the first couple pages, minus the preface:<br />
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I love Latter-day Saints. Some of the most valuable friends I've ever had in my entire life have been Latter-day Saints. Some of the kindest and most upright people I have known have been Latter-day Saints (though, sadly, so have a couple of the least kind and least upright people I've known).  Generally speaking, I admire the wonderful standards by which they live. I'm fascinated by their history. I appreciate some of their fantastic contributions to society (e.g., genealogical research, charitable work, support for biblical moral standards in the public sphere), and I seek to deeply respect them and their beliefs. I love hearing my LDS friends out and thoughtfully and prayerfully considering what they have to say and share. It isn't always easy. Sometimes my LDS friends say things I don't agree with; sometimes I say things they don't agree with. Thankfully my LDS friends have generous spirits, and our disagreements have never marred our friendships in any lasting way. We know that disagreement, even about things of absolute importance, is no excuse for disregarding the call to show forth a Christ-like love. It takes open-mindedness and mutual respect to keep faithfully listening to each other and calmly discussing the reasons we have for our beliefs. That can be hard work, but I firmly believe that it's worth it. I agree with what President<sup>2</sup> Wilford Woodruff said when he urged that people should not be “judging any matter whatever until they heard both sides of the question, for in most all cases any person would be apt to give a wrong judgment by merely hearing one side of the question”.<sup>3</sup><br />
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If you who are reading this are a Latter-day Saint, I want you to know that I respect you and your beliefs. I wouldn't doubt that there have been people you've met in your life who have treated you and your beliefs disrespectfully. I imagine that maybe you've had to endure taunts from friends or coworkers who disparage the moral standards that you hold. Perhaps you've had beliefs that are dear to you get dismissed abruptly by others without much reflection. Maybe you've had to witness things you hold sacred be treated as profane. Perhaps you've maybe even found yourself denied certain opportunities in life by those who hold a prejudice against you for what you believe. Whatever the specifics, if you've gone through any of that, I think that's a shame. The world as a whole deserves better than behavior that fosters an atmosphere of mockery. The very fact that you might be willing to read what I'm writing would be a credit to your willingness to engage with other ideas, and I for one thank you for it. Even though I do have disagreements and concerns about the teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and of its leadership past and present, I hold no animosity toward the leaders or the institution, and the same holds for those who sincerely believe in the teachings they propound. I believe that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints should be taken very seriously; whether its claims are true or false is, I think, a very important question for both of us to consider.<br />
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I imagine that you, as a Latter-day Saint, most likely have what you would call a 'testimony' of certain things you believe to be true. This testimony hopefully includes some statements we can agree on. We can agree that there is a living and active God who loves us, a God whom Christians rightly address as “our Father which art in heaven” (Matthew 6:9; Luke 11:2). We can agree that his Son, Jesus Christ, is a powerful and risen Redeemer, who provided the Atonement that can deal with the problem of human sin. We can agree that the good things God has in store for us throughout the coming ages are marvelous beyond our ability to understand. We can agree that no good thing in this creation will ultimately be lost without being swallowed up in something far greater when our God makes all things new. How we understand these sentences may differ, and perhaps differ even in significant and decisive ways. Still, let us begin by recognizing at least some common ground in our testimonies. But your testimony may also, I assume, bear witness to you about basic Latter-day Saint teachings over which we disagree: that Joseph Smith, Jr., was a prophet of God; that the Book of Mormon is truly ancient scripture given by God; that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saint is the one true and living church restored to the face of the earth; that Joseph Smith's successor Thomas S. Monson is a living prophet of God on the earth today, and so on.<sup>4</sup><br />
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In short, you've had sensations or experiences that you take as a spiritual witness in favor of some basic things you believe. These experiences, maybe including a 'burning in the bosom', are at least part of the reason why you believe what you do. Within a certain way of understanding how God works, it makes sense to at least initially view those kinds of experiences in that light. I respect your experiences and can't discount them out of hand as your real experiences. In a similar way, though, I have also had sensations and experiences that I can take to be a spiritual witness that supports what I believe, and also sensations and experiences that I take to be a spiritual witness warning me against some of the foundational teachings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. If you'll bear with me, I would love the opportunity to share with you some of my story and my testimony....<br />
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<sup>2</sup>  Also for the interest of the non-LDS reader: the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is believed by faithful Latter-day Saints to be a 'prophet, seer, and revelator' on the earth today, holding all the 'keys of the priesthood'. This man is believed to be “the mouthpiece of God on earth” who “reveals the will of God for us today” through his “inspired counsel” – see <i>Duties and Blessings of the Priesthood: Basic Manual for Priesthood Holders, Part B</i>, rev. ed. (Salt Lake City, UT: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 2000 [1979]), 234. The following is a list of those who have served in this position: (1) Joseph Smith, Jr., during 1830-1844; (2) Brigham Young, during 1847-1877; (3) John Taylor, during 1880-1887; (4) Wilford Woodruff, during 1889-1898; (5) Lorenzo Snow, during 1898-1901; (6) Joseph F. Smith, during 1901-1918; (7) Heber J. Grant, during 1918-1945; (8) George Albert Smith, during 1945-1951; (9) David O. McKay, during 1951-1970; (10) Joseph Fielding Smith, during 1970-1972; (11) Harold B. Lee, during 1972-1973; (12) Spencer W. Kimball, during 1973-1985; (13) Ezra Taft Benson, during 1985-1994; (14) Howard W. Hunter, during 1994-1995; (15) Gordon B. Hinckley, during 1995-2008; and (16) Thomas S. Monson, from 2008 to the present. He and his two counselors (presently Dieter F. Uchtdorf and Henry B. Eyring) comprise the First Presidency.<br />
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<sup>3</sup>  Wilford Woodruff, journal entry for 23 January 1848, in Scott G. Kenney, ed., <i>Wilford Woodruff's Journal, 1833-1898: Typescript</i>. 9 vols. (Salt Lake City, UT: Signature Books, 1983-1985), 3:313: “I also warned the people against judging any matter whatever untill they herd both sides of the question for in most all cases any person would be apt to give a wrong judgment by merely hearing one side of the question, and that the Elders could not be in possession of any to much truth upon any subject whatever in order to magnify there callings among the nations of the earth for if they should be called to stand before Kings Princes, Asstronomiers Phylosophiers &amp; the learned of the earth they would find use for all there knowledge.”<br />
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<sup>4</sup>  Compare to, e.g., <i>True to the Faith: A Gospel Reference</i> (Salt Lake City, UT: Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, 2004), 179: “A testimony is a spiritual witness given by the Holy Ghost. The foundation of a testimony is the knowledge that Heavenly Father lives and loves us; that Jesus Christ lives, that He is the Son of God, and that He carried out the infinite Atonement; that Joseph Smith is the prophet of God who was called to restore the gospel; that we are led by a living prophet today; and that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the Savior's true Church on the earth.”</p>
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<i>Tolle, lege! Tolle, lege!</i> :whip:</div>


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			<title>Disappointing news out of SLC...</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 19:45:57 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a message for the Boy Scouts of America's plan to allow gay Scouts: We're fine with it. 
 
 
The Mormon Church, which has historically opposed same-sex marriage, said Thursday that it supported the Scouts' recently proposed rules change that "No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone," as the proposal puts it. 
  
The proposed policy change, announced last week, came...]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has a message for the Boy Scouts of America's plan to allow gay Scouts: We're fine with it.<br />
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The Mormon Church, which has historically opposed same-sex marriage, said Thursday that it supported the Scouts' recently proposed rules change that &quot;No youth may be denied membership in the Boy Scouts of America on the basis of sexual orientation or preference alone,&quot; as the proposal puts it.<br />
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The proposed policy change, announced last week, came after years of wrangling, soul-searching and prodding from advocates, alumni and funders to open the Scouts' ranks to gays.<br />
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&quot;While the church has not launched any campaign either to effect or prevent a policy change, we have followed the discussion and are satisfied that BSA has made a thoughtful, good-faith effort to address issues that, as they have said, remain ‘among the most complex and challenging issues facing the BSA and society today,' &quot; the statement said.<br />
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The statement, noting the strong ties the church has kept with the Scouts for the past century, added, &quot;We appreciate the positive things contained in this current proposal that will help build and strengthen the moral character and leadership skills of youth as we work together in the future.&quot;<br />
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<a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/nationnow/la-na-nn-mormon-church-boy-scouts-20130425,0,5354374.story" target="_blank">http://www.latimes.com/news/nation/n...,5354374.story</a></div>

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			<title>LDS folks, keeping your community safe from criminals :)</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 18:38:54 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[http://fox13now.com/2013/04/25/lds-missionaries-thwart-home-burglary-attempt/ 
 
 
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17894778-mormon-bishop-with-samurai-sword-saves-neighbor-from-attack?lite 
 
 
I laughed at Jay Leno's punchline when he mentioned the story about  the LDS bishop who fought off, using a sword, the mugger: 
 
"So it's good to see that Mitt Romney is keeping busy!"]]></description>
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<a href="http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/04/24/17894778-mormon-bishop-with-samurai-sword-saves-neighbor-from-attack?lite" target="_blank">http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013...om-attack?lite</a><br />
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I laughed at Jay Leno's punchline when he mentioned the story about  the LDS bishop who fought off, using a sword, the mugger:<br />
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&quot;So it's good to see that Mitt Romney is keeping busy!&quot; <br />
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Have a good weekend, everyone.</div>

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			<title><![CDATA[Claims of Succession after Joseph's Smith's Death]]></title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 26 Apr 2013 16:23:00 GMT</pubDate>
			<description><![CDATA[A statement was made that denied the authority of Brigham Young as a complete successor to Joseph Smith Jr. 
 
*A few supporting Brigham Young as successor:* 
Of Brigham Young as President of the Church, I will again bear this as a faithful testimony that I do know and bear record that upon the head of Brigham Young as chief, with the Apostleship in full, was by the voice of the Prophet Joseph in my hearing, laid the full responsibility of bearing of[f] the kingdom of God to all the world . . ....]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<div>A statement was made that denied the authority of Brigham Young as a complete successor to Joseph Smith Jr.<br />
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<b>A few supporting Brigham Young as successor:</b><br />
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  <legend> E. Dale LeBaron, Benjamin Franklin Johnson: Friend to the Prophets </legend>
  <p class="fieldsetbody">Of Brigham Young as President of the Church, I will again bear this as a faithful testimony that I do know and bear record that upon the head of Brigham Young as chief, with the Apostleship in full, was by the voice of the Prophet Joseph in my hearing, laid the full responsibility of bearing of[f] the kingdom of God to all the world . . . . [When Brigham Young first met Joseph Smith and spoke in tongues in the Adamic languaue the Prophet] at that time, made the prediction upon the head of Brigham Young that &#8216;at some period he would become the leader of the Church, and that there would be one danger to beset him, and that would be his love of wealth.&#8217; These things were told to me by [Lyman R.] Sherman [i.e., Johnson&#8217;s brother-in-law] at near the time of their occurrence</p>
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  <legend> Young Woman&#8217;s Journal, December 1906, 542&#8211;43 </legend>
  <p class="fieldsetbody">&#8220;I have heard the Prophet speak in public on many occasions. In one meeting I heard him say, &#8216;I will give you a key that will never rust. If you will stay with the majority of the Twelve Apostles, and the records of the Church, you will never be led astray&#8217;&#8221; </p>
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<b>Joseph Smith's son, Joseph Smith III, succeeding him:</b><br />
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  <legend> Amy E. Baird, Victoria H. Jackson, and Laura L. Wassell, comp., &quot;Autobiography of Mosiah Hancock (1834-1865),&quot; typescript copy, BYU Special Collections, Harold B. Lee Library, Provo, Utah, 27-29. </legend>
  <p class="fieldsetbody">When the Prophet had his hand upon my father's head, I said to myself, 'I trust that I will be as true to young Joseph, the Prophet's son, as my father is to his father.' Afterwards at home, I told my father of my thoughts, and he said, 'No, Mosiah, for God has shown to Brother Joseph that his son, Joseph, will be the means of drawing many people away from this Church after him. Brother Joseph gave us to understand that it was our duty to follow the Twelve. The majority of this people will be right </p>
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Mark Hofmann forged a document claiming that JS had appointed JS3 his successor.  This document along with a number of others have been shown to be forgeries.<br />
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Also, the fact that JS3 denied that Joseph Smith Jr. ever taught/practiced polygamy leads one to believe that JS3 was not the successor of JS as such is blatantly false.<br />
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<b>Hyrum Smith succeeding him:</b><br />
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I could find insufficient evidence for Joseph's intent to have Hyrum succeed him, however it is irrelevant as Hyrum was killed just before Joseph.  Hyrum was not an option.  It is interesting to note that Hyrum's son, Joseph F. Smith and Hyrum's grandson Joseph Fielding Smith were both Prophets in the LDS Church.<br />
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<b>Sidney Rigdon succeeding him:</b><br />
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As Rigdon's claims were based in his position as first counselor within the First Presidency, this quote denies Rigdon's claims<fieldset class="bbcode_container">
  <legend> Joseph Smith, Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 106 </legend>
  <p class="fieldsetbody">where I am not, there is no First Presidency over the Twelve</p>
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