TheologyWeb Campus - Biblical Languages 301 http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/ Exegesis - Its not just for breakfast anymore. en Tue, 21 May 2013 22:03:04 GMT vBulletin 5 http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/images/misc/rss.png TheologyWeb Campus - Biblical Languages 301 http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/ Underworld? http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?155698-Underworld&goto=newpost Wed, 01 May 2013 01:04:10 GMT Part of the Kenotic hymn in Philippians 2:10 states:

"that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth"

My concern has to do with the underlined/bolded - is it true that the original Greek is not "under the earth" but rather "in the under world" thereby supporting the view that the Bible presents the ancient three-tiered structure of the universe?

Thanks! ]]> Biblical Languages 301 Scrawly http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?155698-Underworld <![CDATA[Matt. 19:17; Luke 18:19 ─ Did Jesus Say "God is Good"?]]> http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?155674-Matt-19-17-Luke-18-19-─-Did-Jesus-Say-quot-God-is-Good-quot&goto=newpost Mon, 29 Apr 2013 03:37:30 GMT
SCRIPTURE READING

"Only God is good" (MT 19:17 NLT)
"No one is good except God alone" (LK 18:19 NET)

PATRISTIC ALLUSIONS

See note at KJV reading in "English Translations," below.

PAPYRUS

P71, ca. 300-350 CE: clause not seen (lacuna).

GREAT CATHOLIC CODICES

03, ca. 350-375 CE: ΕΙΣΕΣΤΙΝΟΑΓΑΘΟΣ.....ΤΗΡΕΙΤΑΣΕΝΤΟΛΑΣ (one thing that is good.....you keep the commandments!)
01, ca. 375-425 CE: ΕΙΣΕΣΤΙΝΟΑΓΑΘΟΣ.....ΤΗΡΗΣΟΝΤΑΣΕΝΤΟΛΑΣ (one thing that is good.....you keeping the commandments)

GREEK NEW TESTAMENTS (GNT's)

Textus Receptus (TR) and Greek Modern text (GMT):
Quote:
ο δε ειπεν αυτω τι με λεγεις αγαθον ουδεις αγαθος ει μη εις ο θεος ει δε θελεις εισελθειν εις την ζωην τηρησον τας εντολας
(Note: the colored letters are the only characters which are readable in extant P71, and any mention of "God" being "good" is not seen in P71, Vaticanus, Sinaiticus, Westcott & Hort (W&H), or Nestle-Aland27 (N-A27), and there is no extant proto-Orthodox manuscript evidence to support Luke 18:19; implied or inferred IAW Orthodox Christian thinking, perhaps, but not directly stated)
ουδεις = no one
αγαθος = good
ει μη = surely
εις = only one
ο θεος = the supreme Divinity

W&H:
Quote:
ο δε ειπεν αυτω τι με ερωτας περι του αγαθου εις εστιν ο αγαθος ει δε θελεις εις την ζωην εισελθειν τηρει τας εντολας
(colored letters indicate variations between W&H, the Reformation-era TR, and the modern GMT)
N-A27:
Quote:
ο δε ειπεν αυτω τι με ερωτας περι του αγαθου εις εστιν ο αγαθος ει δε θελεις εις την ζωην εισελθειν τηρησον τας εντολας
(colored letters here also indicate variations between TR, GMT, and N-A27 which all follow W&H, except for the word τηρησον)
ENGLISH TRANSLATIONS

ASV: One there is who is good
BBE: One there is who is good
CEV: "Only God is good"
ESV: "There is only one who is good"
GNB: "There is only One who is good"
KJV: there is none good but one, that is, God"
Note: the KJV phrase "there is none good but one, that is, God" follows only some patristical evidences.
HCSB: “There is only One who is good”
ISV: Jesus asked him, "There is only one who is good"
LEB: And he said to him, "There is one who is good"
NASB: And He said to him, "There is only One who is good"
ROTH: There is, One, that is good
YLT: And he said to him, `no one is good except One--God

CONCLUSION

Despite the orthodox thinking seen in many pro-Orthodox Christian NT commentaries and lexica, only the Textus Receptus (TR) version of Matthew 19:17─and English Bible versions based upon it─indicate that no one or nothing is good except God. That reading further indicates that:
Quote:
"[a]pparently Jesus thought he was neither good nor God."
Skeptic's Annotated Bible (SAB) @ MT 19:17a; cp. MT 27:46; Mark 10:18, 15:34, 16:19; John 8:40, 4:28, 20:17)

Non-TR based English Bible versions:

1: make no mention of "God" being "good" and
2: [a]ppear to confirm that Jesus of Nazareth apparently considered himself not to be either good or God.
]]> Biblical Languages 301 Heterodoxus 1 Corinthians Commentary Thread http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?155620-1-Corinthians-Commentary-Thread&goto=newpost Tue, 23 Apr 2013 22:18:48 GMT I am starting this thread as a repository for comments that I may post here ― from one or more of the following commentaries ― with regard texts in my 1 Corinthians thread.

BNTC = Black's New Testament Commentary: The First Epistle to the Corinthians (London: A & C Black, 1968), by C. K. Barrett.

ICC = The International Critical Commentary on the Holy Scriptures of the Old and New Testaments: A Critical and Exegetical Commentary on the First Epistle of St Paul to the Corinthians (Edinburgh: T. & T. Clark, 1911), by Archibald Robertson and Alfred Plummer.

NICNT = The New International Commentary on the New Testament: The First Epistle to the Corinthians (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1987), by Gordon D. Fee.

NIGTC = The New International Greek Testament Commentary: The First Epistle to the Corinthians: A Commentary on the Greek Text (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 2000), by Anthony C. Thiselton.

This is no more a debate thread than is my reading and grammatical analysis thread; however, I wish to provide an opportunity for those who take exception to any posted comment to air opinions to the contrary. ]]> Biblical Languages 301 John Reece http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?155620-1-Corinthians-Commentary-Thread