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	The assumption of Mary. Out-Of-Names Replies: 30 \| Views: 402 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: November 13th 2009 @ 01:23 AM by mostlyharmless
I have recently been considering going back to my childhood faith, the Catholicism. I walked away for several years and at the age of 16 I became a Protestant Christian. I've decided that if there is enough evidence to justify belief in the historicity of the assumption of the virgin Mary then I will leave Protestantism. From there I'll figure out if Anglican, Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy seems more true to me. So, is there any apologist or historian out there who can point out an...
	Did the pre-Nicene Fathers support a papacy? Joshster Replies: 9 \| Views: 187	Posted: November 11th 2009 @ 10:13 PM by One Bad Pig
According to Irenaeus they didnt. A source I would like to copy and paste from, http://catechumens-tale.blogspot.com/2009/04/did-irenaeus-support-papal-supremacy.html Did Irenaeus support papal supremacy? While browsing through Wikipedia (out of mere boredom, I assure you) I came across this entry under Pope: Later in the second century AD, there were further manifestations of Roman authority over other churches. In 189 AD, assertion of the primacy of the Church of Rome may be...
	Samaritans, good and bad kudos Replies: 12 \| Views: 195	Posted: October 12th 2009 @ 08:47 PM by kudos
I read recently that the Jews dislike of the Samaritans went back to the return from exile and the rebuilding of the temple and walls of Jerusalem, and the Samaritans wanting to help. Can anyone explain why there were such ill feelings and why they continued for centuries up to the time of Jesus?
	Ignatius tradition Out-Of-Names Replies: 3 \| Views: 192	Posted: September 23rd 2009 @ 01:34 PM by Kelp
I'm sure we all know the story Mark 9 where Jesus has a child on his lap and the rumor is that this was Ignatius. My question is where does this legend come from? Why is it heald as untrustworthy? And what reason is there to place the birth of ignatuis at 36CE?
	Joseph of Arimathea BigBen Replies: 2 \| Views: 176	Posted: September 1st 2009 @ 11:26 AM by The Curtmudgeon
I just had a quick question. I was reading The Impossible Faith and JP Holding made the point that Joseph of Arimathea being the one who buried Jesus was considered dishonorable, because Jesus wasn't even buried by his own family members... My question is, could that have actually been considered more honorable, for a man who, as a member of an important council, be the one who buried Jesus instead of his poorer family? Just wanted to know how an answer to that would go... I take it back, the...
	"The Essene Gospels of Peace" Kelp Replies: 3 \| Views: 157	Posted: August 20th 2009 @ 12:32 AM by Eeset-Shadowgrl
http://www.thenazareneway.com/index_essene_gospels_of_peace.htm Claimed to have been translated by Edmond Bordeaux Szekely in 1928 using manuscripts found in the (cue X-Files theme) Secret Archives of the Vatican. Is there any provenance or evidence that there might be anything ancient to these books?
	Universalism Turgonian Replies: 30 \| Views: 2,480 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: August 1st 2009 @ 12:01 AM by BigBen
Attention: No discussion about the truth or untruth of universalism in this thread I just read that in the early church, the belief was widespread that everyone would be saved, and only afterwards (say, from the fifth century onwards) the doctrine of eternal Hell became popular, partly to keep the populace in fear. In fact it was claimed that in early times, there were six schools, four of which taught universalism; and of the remaining two, one taught annihilationism. Does anybody know if...
	What if Judaism -- Christianity --Islam never existed? srvfan Replies: 29 \| Views: 2,021 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: July 30th 2009 @ 12:45 AM by Rushing Jaws
Say God decided not to reveal himself to men, and leave them to their own devices? This should be a historical discussion only, okay? Say the three never existed, hmm...
	Conflicting claims about Jesus CaptainPanick Replies: 12 \| Views: 818	Posted: July 26th 2009 @ 04:03 PM by EllisKing
Hi everyone. Is there a possibility for us to gather all the various rather conflicting claims about Jesus Christ over history? Have this perhaps already been done before? Some of these claims are completely contradicting and yet everyone thinks that their hypotheses are the closest to the truth. At this point Jesus might have been gay, or married to a woman, or He didn't even exist. So which is it? At least once a year some great new conspiracy theory is produced about Jesus Christ. I think...
	Baptists aren't Protestants? technomage Replies: 91 \| Views: 8,599 \| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6	Posted: July 26th 2009 @ 03:57 PM by EllisKing
Source. RightIdea, if you're talking history, then I believe you're incorrect ... but rather than assuming, let me ask you to clarify the above, if you would please. Justin
	God had sex with Mary to produce Jesus Christian2 Replies: 30 \| Views: 3,075 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: June 13th 2009 @ 09:04 PM by JAYMZ
That's a pretty catchy title, isn't it? I've been having a little conversation with a Muslim about some ayas in the Qur'an: "They say (the Christians): "Allah hath begotten a son!" Glory be to Him! He is self-sufficient! His are all things in heaven and on earth! No warrant have ye for this!" (Surah 10:68) They say: "Allah hath begotten a son" :Glory be to Him.-Nay, to Him belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth: everything renders worship to Him. To Him is due the primal origin of...
	Did Jesus and Joseph visit England? ExArmyGuy Replies: 11 \| Views: 641	Posted: June 6th 2009 @ 12:19 PM by One Bad Pig
I've heard that there's legends of Jesus and Joseph shipwrecking off the coast of England... does any one know the whole legend? and how feasible is this?
	Sola Scriptura -- Split Off from Reliable Epistles The Curtmudgeon Replies: 1 \| Views: 281	Posted: May 13th 2009 @ 12:54 AM by Tercel
That's correct. A ruler is something you measure other things by. Scripture is our ruler to measure things by, and sola Scriptura means that it is our only such ruler, and that we don't have some other ruler by which we "measure" Scripture itself. So if Random Person #A comes along and, without knowing or even caring about the Bible, writes that we are to treat our fellow-man as we would like to be treated ourselves, then that's in agreement with Scripture and is perfectly acceptable, even...
	The Best books about CHURCH HISTORY headheart Replies: 50 \| Views: 2,425 \| Pages: 1 2 3 4	Posted: May 6th 2009 @ 10:40 PM by aegis
Dear TWebbers, Over the last few years my interest in 'Church History' has grown more and more intense and some of the books that I have read over that time have examined the subject of Church History from as many angles. Each writer looks at the subject through their particular bias and in the end though some present extremely compelling conclusions about the subject, ultimately one is left to puzzle together the parts of the puzzle from those first believers to our time. Of course the...
	Why open antichrists become the best disciple like St. Paul. stephen goswami Replies: 1 \| Views: 178	Posted: May 6th 2009 @ 01:19 PM by footwasher
Why open antichrists become the best disciple like St. Paul. Even now I see several such cases. I was puzzled at first. But latter I understood. We, the Heaven fallen humanity, all are antichrist at heart. But among us there are various degrees of integrity. People of less integrity neither know their heart nor have the capacity to follow. So their antichristian nature is not revealed to them. So they hardly repent. But those who have greater integrity can follow the intentions of their...
	Which Epistles are Reliable? Alexander's Mom Replies: 20 \| Views: 461 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: May 1st 2009 @ 11:00 AM by The Curtmudgeon
So, I've just moved again and I'm in a new church. My Sunday class teacher treats all epistles equally. For some reason I was under the impression that some had lying authors that were assuming more authoritative authorship for their views. (I'm sure there's a better way to say that, but I'm stupid right now 'cause it's three a.m.) So, which ones do I trust? Which ones do I treat as philosophical/theological exploits? I'm the sort to weigh them all anyway. I'm really just wondering which...
	Was Apollonius of Tyana the Historical Jesus? andrasnm Replies: 3 \| Views: 309	Posted: April 13th 2009 @ 12:58 PM by shunyadragon
URL="http://www.andras-nagy.com/wordpress/?p=55"]here is the full blog It is my firm understanding that the Historical Jesus figure who actually had peer references from independent sources live 100 years prior. (Talmudic references know of a sorcerer who was stoned to death (not crucified). ...and I quote myself "This is an interesting controversy. It allowed me some time to examine the historical facts of the existence of these men, their accomplishments and their legacies. Clearly Jesus...
	Baptism in the ancient and medieval world Daniel Keeran Replies: 7 \| Views: 406	Posted: February 16th 2009 @ 12:48 AM by Daniel Keeran
Baptism was performed predominantly by immersion from the Jordan and mikvah immersion pools through the time of Thomas Aquinas in the 13th century. This thread will present the evidence with specific examples from literature of the period and archaeological sites.
	Moved: Alternative creation accounts MortalCoil Replies: - \| Views: -	-

	Triumph: The Power and Glory of the Catholic Church (Real Church History People)! Slimt103 Replies: 39 \| Views: 3,683 \| Pages: 1 2 3	Posted: January 18th 2009 @ 12:18 AM by One Bad Pig
Yes, for anyone who seriously studies Christian Church history, Catholicism is familiar to you. Love Her, hate Her, or think nothing of Her, She is the history of the Christian Church. As the oldest running institution on Earth, The Catholic Church precedes Protestant Churches in history by AT LEAST one thousands, five hundred years. The Catholic Church precedes the idea of a separate schismatic Eastern Orthodox Church by one thousand one hundred years. The Catholic Church is Church...
	Moved: AM I of Appolos or Paul? anak2012 Replies: - \| Views: -	-

	Reformation Day Oct 31 learning Replies: 20 \| Views: 1,829 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: January 10th 2009 @ 02:09 AM by One Bad Pig
I believe this is known as the day Martin Luther nailed his 95 theses to the door
	Church fathers InspiredHome Replies: 8 \| Views: 872	Posted: December 19th 2008 @ 07:06 PM by humanevitae
I'm looking for some books on the early church fathers. What are some good ones?
	Christian history chimerla Replies: 40 \| Views: 2,070 \| Pages: 1 2 3	Posted: December 17th 2008 @ 12:18 PM by Barabbas126
Hi! I apologise if I've put this in the wrong forum. Anyway, I want to learn as much as I can about the history of Christianity, including in-depth information about different denominations and doctrines and things. Can anyone point me to any really good websites, or give me names of good books to read? Preferably I'd like websites, but I understand that the internet can be a bit sus when it comes to information about certain things. Thanks! edit: whoops - I've just discovered there's a...
	Looking for a timeline of Christain thought... stech1 Replies: 23 \| Views: 1,088 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: December 15th 2008 @ 09:26 PM by humanevitae
I am sorry to devote an entire thread to this, but I am looking for a time line of Christian thought, particularly from the Reformation to the present. I am looking for the major thinkers and their ideas in sort of a historical manner. I am not sure if you'd have to categorize this based upon different provinces, such as German theologians, American, etc. For instance, what was the next major school of thought after or contemporary with Bultmann's New Testament demythologizing and his...
	Did Augustine change the NT text? Christian2 Replies: 9 \| Views: 825	Posted: December 15th 2008 @ 08:04 PM by COPLAND 3
Someone is telling me that Augustine changed the text of the Bible to read as he wanted it to read. This is the first I've heard this one. Here is his evidence: http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/1701105.htm "And this," He adds, "is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent." The proper order of the words is, "That they may know You and Jesus Christ, whom You have sent, as the only true God." Consequently, therefore, the Holy Spirit is also...
	Some History humanevitae Replies: 0 \| Views: 264	Posted: December 13th 2008 @ 12:12 AM by humanevitae
Pope Adrian vi wrote this to the diet of the German Nation assembled at Nuremberg, urging them to reject Lutheranism while acknowledging that it was rampant sin within the Church that had brought it forth....................................................February 1523. We cannot even think of anything so incredible as that so great, so pious a nation (as Germany) should allow a petty monk, an apostate from that Catholic faith which for years he had preached, to seduce it from the way pointed...
	Barack Obama's View Of Church History NathanDavid Replies: 5 \| Views: 798	Posted: November 17th 2008 @ 05:10 AM by frogtumor
I found this link in a blog on MYFOXAL.COM. Follow the link to a 2006 Obama speech that reveals his dedication as a Christian! You can learn alot from a dummy! http://www.youtube.com/swf/l.swf?video_id=4FCNKwHRCQM&rel=1&eurl=http%3A//community.myfoxal.com/blogs/Ichatuchat/2008/08/19/THOUGHTS_ABOUT_BARACK_OBAMA&iurl=http%3A//i1.ytimg.com/vi/4FCNKwHRCQM/default.jpg&t=OEgsToPDskIuwscfcQiLocBl4hS_8fbO&use_get_video_info=1&load_modules=1:eek:
	Moved: Why there will be no Christian in the Kingdom Okieshowedem Replies: - \| Views: -	-

	Exodus Narrative and Babylon Texts. minties Replies: 2 \| Views: 596	Posted: August 23rd 2008 @ 10:56 PM by minties
Hi Guys, Was wondering if someone could help me. Im having a discussion about the Exodus narrative, and one particular fellow is claiming that Babylonian literature presents the exodus narrative in its entirety, except the Jews are escaping from Nebuchadnezzar and Babylon, instead of Pharaoh and Egypt as detailed in the Bible. I havent done much reading on ancient Babylonian texts, and was wondering if someone could direct me to the relevant literature online, and if possible a Christian...
	St. Paul in England? The Curtmudgeon Replies: 93 \| Views: 5,018 \| Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 6	Posted: May 12th 2008 @ 02:04 AM by rHarryr
It's an interesting evening when you're a history buff sitting in a room with a Church of Christ type arguing that his church goes back to the very beginning (notwithstanding that UCC was organised in 1957 from a joining of denominations none of which can be shown to be extant prior to the Reformation at the very earliest) and an Anglican arguing that his church goes back to the very beginning (notwithstanding that whole Henry VIIIth thing). Sigh. I wonder whatever happened to teaching...
	Doctrine of Grace in Apostolic Fathers Turgonian Replies: 6 \| Views: 937	Posted: May 10th 2008 @ 04:59 PM by Tercel
I recently heard something about a book by Thomas Torrence, called The Doctrine of Grace in the Apostolic Fathers. This man argues that the early church (90-300 AD) lost understanding of the doctrine of grace and started teaching a works-based salvation -- which he deduces from such literature as Barnabas, Hermes, Clement, the Didache, etc. Does anybody know if this is true? It would be shocking if the early church fathers were Pelagians (or something like it) avant la lettre.
	Request for help with Church history Johnny MacManky Replies: 25 \| Views: 1,760 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: May 8th 2008 @ 10:59 AM by one_lost_coin
Hi, Perhaps someone with more experience than I have of Church history could help me here. I'm looking to research and present succinct and reliable evidence that, prior to 325AD (Council of Nicaea) Christians considered Jesus to be God (I'm using lay, rather than theological terms, 'cause I'm using this for evangelical, rather than apologetic or theologetical - did I just make up a word? :blush: - purposes) Are quotes by the likes of Pliny the Younger, e.g. concerning Christians singing a...
	David Chidester's Christianity Fizban Replies: 2 \| Views: 980	Posted: April 27th 2008 @ 09:56 PM by One Bad Pig
I was just wondering what some of yall (yes, I am from Texas) thought about David Chidester's Christianity. Its the textbook for my Church History class. Thanks in advance
	Research rHarryr Replies: 4 \| Views: 630	Posted: April 24th 2008 @ 09:47 PM by rHarryr
Hey Folks; I just wanted to let anyone who is interested that I have some new posts on my blog site concerning Church History and the Apostle Paul. The reason I put them there is instead of here or trying to write everything down, I just inserted a few links. I was told that it was a no no to put links in the main body of a post here so I put the post on my blog. I also have one about Noah, the Ark, and the flood. If anyone is interested, please go to my profile and get the link to my...
	Larry Norman 1947-2008 TyRockwell Replies: 12 \| Views: 768	Posted: April 19th 2008 @ 07:50 PM by Jo Ayanami
Larry went home to be with Jesus at 2:45am Feb 24, 2008. More information is at LarryNorman.com, or just do a search on Larry Norman. I was glad to have met him, and I heard him perform a number of times. He was always fully devoted to the Lord, awesomely talented and wrote many great songs, both musically and poetically.
	The Bible and the history PetriFB Replies: 0 \| Views: 498	Posted: April 9th 2008 @ 01:41 AM by PetriFB
http://koti.phnet.fi/elohim/Bible_and_the_history When it is a question of events mentioned in the Bible, we can often read and hear how some researchers doubt the historicity of these accounts. This is especially so concerning the initial accounts of the fall, the Flood and the tower of Babel and miracles which appear in the gospels. These are matters, which researchers regard as unreliable. They may regard them only as legends, and they think that those accounts aren’t worth taking...
	Reincarnation? dianalee4jc Replies: 14 \| Views: 1,681	Posted: March 24th 2008 @ 08:39 AM by praxeus
I'm involved in a debate on another discussion board, in which we are discussing whether or not the Bible (or the early Christians) teaches reincarnation. The other person posted this quote from Origen: "The soul, which is immaterial and invisible in its nature, exists in no material place without having a body suited to the nature of that place. Accordingly, it at one time puts off one body, which was necessary before, but which is no longer adequate in its changed state, and it exhanges it...
	How often to attend church. query Replies: 48 \| Views: 2,881 \| Pages: 1 2 3 4	Posted: March 16th 2008 @ 02:13 AM by BillTBC
Does anyone know the origin of multiple chruch services on Sunday? Wednesday? Biblical orgin? query
	Question about Papias TolkienFan Replies: 2 \| Views: 485	Posted: March 13th 2008 @ 10:19 AM by PatristicArcana
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/showpost.php?p=2270448&postcount=196 I'm just curious. Is this claim actually true about Papias? It was immaterial in the argument we were having, but I'm still curious if this claim is true.
	The "Other" Gospels? Zandrax Replies: 7 \| Views: 931	Posted: February 22nd 2008 @ 01:22 PM by robto
My apologies if this has been answered before. But does anybody know the validity of what some call the "other gospels" that aren't in the Bible? I keep hearing of Gospels of Mary and Thomas that for whatever reason were excluded from the Bible. Does anybody know about them or why they weren't included?
	Historical Research Methods Ebor Replies: 0 \| Views: 539	Posted: February 21st 2008 @ 01:37 PM by Ebor
I was wondering if anyone here could recommend a book that covers both the basics of historical research and writing historical essays. I have used the book by Mary Rampolla but obviously this can only take me so far.
	The Early Christian Writings PatristicArcana Replies: 9 \| Views: 899	Posted: January 23rd 2008 @ 02:43 AM by Adam
The most widely used English translation of the early Christian writings is the Ante-Nicene Fathers ten volume set. It's available from Amazon for $300 (or sometimes on sale for $250), but you can usually get it from Scroll Publishing for $110. A bit pricey, but it's the centerpiece of any patristic library. You can also find a full online transcript of the ANF. However, there are additionally at least three other major series that are composed of various Christian writings throughout history,...
	Please, please tell me.... DesertBerean Replies: 47 \| Views: 2,423 \| Pages: 1 2 3	Posted: January 7th 2008 @ 05:11 PM by The Curtmudgeon
...why are the Easter and Passover observances celebrated on sometimes very, very different dates each year? I've tried Googling but I'm getting a lot of very confusing answers some not at all relevant to the question... :help:
	Question about Christianity and reincarnation FreezBee Replies: 18 \| Views: 1,279 \| Pages: 1 2	Posted: December 27th 2007 @ 04:28 AM by PatristicArcana
I have had some discussions with a member of ISKCON (Hare Krishna) about Chrsitianity and reincarnation. He claim that some 2nd century Church fathers (including Origen) were for reincarnation, but unfortunately he couldn't give more precse references. I know that the Gnostics believed in reincarnation, and my opponent may have mistaken critique of the Gnostics for a defense of reincarnation. Does anybody here know whether there were any church fathers that were for reincarnation? Thanks in...
	How Jesus' disciples died? eklypised Replies: 14 \| Views: 1,358	Posted: November 10th 2007 @ 07:45 AM by timspong
The story is they most of them were matyers. Is their any historical evidence for this? and what would you say to these claims 1. Peter (aka Simon, Cephas). "Beheaded by Nero?" No, not really. This legend was dreamed up by the mid-2nd century pope Anicetus (156-166) when he became locked in a conflict with the venerable Polycarp of Smyrna. Polycarp had tried to win the argument (over the dating of Easter) by insisting that he spoke with the authority of the apostle John. In response,...
	Martin Luther and Minor Prophets JohnStevenson Replies: 2 \| Views: 739	Posted: September 2nd 2007 @ 09:40 PM by One Bad Pig
Does anyone know where I can find a single example of Martin Luther ever having preached from the Minor Prophets?
	John Henry Newman's "Miracles of Early Ecclesiastical History" Symeon Replies: 7 \| Views: 905	Posted: July 27th 2007 @ 11:50 PM by Anoetos
http://www.newmanreader.org/works/miracles/index.html I commend Essay II of John Henry Newman's Essays on Miracles. This was a very valuable find for me as apologetical material on early church history (let alone of this caliber) is rare. The entire essay is fascinating, but I found Sections 5.4 and 5.5, devoted to St. Constantine's Vision of the Cross before the Battle of Milvian Bridge and St. Helena's discovery of the True Cross to be especially valuable, as both of these miracles are...
	Commentaries on the Apocalypse One Bad Pig Replies: 15 \| Views: 1,185	Posted: May 9th 2007 @ 01:42 PM by Jaltus
I've been looking for a Commentary on the Apocalypse (Revelation) by St. Andrew (or Andreas) of Caesarea (of Cappadocia). If anyone knows where I can find one, please let me know. I'm also interested in finding other commentaries on Revelation (pre-12th century or so).
	Illiteracy in Bible Times howardyou Replies: 8 \| Views: 887	Posted: April 25th 2007 @ 03:14 PM by Jaltus
I've read conflicting statements on the degree of literacy in the first century Roman Empire. Does anyone here really know? And what effect do you see that having on first century evangelism? Here are two, of many, directions we could go with this conversation: -Were Peter and John illiterate? (see Acts 4:13) What was Paul up against in trying to demonstrate fulfilled prophecy? (see Acts 17:11, where the Bereans are mentioned as something unusual)

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