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    Today, 03:43 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    You know, it dawns on me that there is another way to do this. See below. So here is your problem, Seer. We can shift your little analogy this...
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    Today, 03:33 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    I did - see my response. And yes - I am aware that my "succinct" response wasn't much more succinct :blush:
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    Today, 03:32 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    I have no way to answer that question. For each of us, our moral conclusions are important. Given the inter-subjectivty of morality, if we want to...
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    Today, 03:26 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    see above
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    Today, 03:25 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    You know - I tend to get detailed with my answers - because I want them to be rigorous and thorough. I end up being too verbose. So here's my...
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    Today, 03:22 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Ok we will do it your way: Carp reasons = honoring/respecting/protecting the basic human rights of liberty, life, happiness is a moral good. ...
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    Today, 03:02 PM
    Sorry I misspoke, I should have said it decreases the difference. Blessings, Lee
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    Today, 02:59 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Then that is your problem - and why you are not actually following my arguments. You are trying to force them into the only thing you care about:...
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    Today, 02:47 PM
    Because he's a dishonest :troll: whom I will no longer engage. He reminds me of the "For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that...
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    Today, 02:40 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Let's try again, you referenced outcomes and of course outcomes are the only thing that counts in IMHO, so... 1. Carp reasons = human rights are a...
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    Today, 02:18 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Oh horse hockey. Your "all men are sinful" and "all men are as filth before god" thinking is getting in the way of common sense. You don't even live...
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    Today, 01:54 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    No. But if you feel insulted - so be it. I'm not going to dress up sloppy thinking because someone is insulted that I conclude they engage in...
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    Today, 01:53 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Seer says "I like pizza." Michael says "I hate pizza." They are opposing relative/subjective statements. Both can be true - and without contradiction...
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    Today, 01:46 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Read what you just wrote, Sparko. It says, "that's not what we're doing" and then you turn around and do exactly what I described all in one...
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    Today, 01:28 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    I have looked at the statistics, and provided them to you. I don't lump every little crime into "atrocities." Every person on the planet (I'm...
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    Today, 01:18 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    It is an ad hominem point Carp, don't pretend it isn't.
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    Today, 01:16 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    If opposite truths or moral truths don't contradict themselves then what does? Yes, I will remind you that moral reasoning tells us nothing...
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    Today, 12:57 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    "Magical thinking" occurs when someone proposes a solution to a conundrum they cannot otherwise solve by inserting a being with magical properties...
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    Today, 12:54 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Correct. Opposing relative/subjective moral positions can both be true without contradiction. They cannot both be true absolutely/objectively....
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    Today, 12:49 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    I'm actually looking for an understanding of the points being made. But you and Seer have only one point you keep returning to over and over and over...
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    Today, 12:40 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Right, like when you keep accusing us of magical thinking? Got it...
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    Today, 12:38 PM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Right, moral reasoning tells you what is moral for you, as it does for the Maoist. Which means it practically tells us nothing about what is moral...
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    Today, 12:37 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Does this actually make you feel better, Seer - or in any way contribute to the arguments you are trying to make? In my experience - when people...
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    Today, 12:27 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    I respond to what people write :shrug: So first - you have yet to show an inconsistency, so we'll set that undefended assertion aside as not...
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    Today, 12:14 PM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Correct. Now, let's use a little math. Suppose I grant that all of the people who have committed all of the atrocities over time are not just...
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    Today, 11:52 AM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Obviously Carp is over compensating, he needs to feel superior to his fellow man.
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    Today, 11:15 AM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    Our point was that we were basing it on behavior between genders. Behavior/Gender. Not behavior/Race. Gender is different than race, and gender is a...
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    Today, 11:01 AM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    I missed that part of your post, and went back and added it. To summarize - I made the case that your moral proscription against homosexuality was...
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    Today, 10:48 AM
    seer replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    The point is, I would have every rational right to focus on gender. Doing so violates no law of logic. And you did say that we could not ask about...
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    Today, 10:40 AM
    carpedm9587 replied to a thread Homophobic Trump... in Civics 101
    No need to assure me, Seer. I have not questioned your brightness. I questioned your understanding of a specific topic. Not knowing and not being...
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