You don't like Germany's successful gun regulation, and would rather have 10 zillion gun deaths per year like in the States?

It's the weird quirk of our time that people living through the most legitimately peaceful era of human history, with crime rates on a 40 year downward trend, to freak out when the numbers go up a little, even as they lived through eras much much more. Like, hot damn, when I was a kid and it was still 1995 gun homicides were 15 times as high as they are now? Yikes

Germany will tell you that the last thing it needs is the gun violence of the United States, which results in thousands of deaths and injuries annually. Australia will tell you the same, as will most of the countries in the developed world where gun violence is a tiny fraction of that in the USA thanks to tight gun-control laws.

Baton Rouge Sheriff: This Isn’t About Gun Control, But About ‘What’s in Men’s Hearts’

This is why gun control advocates shouldn't talk about things they don't understand. Let's do a breakdown:

30,000 deaths per year. Sounds huge, until you start breaking it down. 2/3rds are suicides. Considering that Japan and France have a higher suicide rate than the US and have stricter gun control laws, it's doubtful that gun control will do much of anything against suicides. Out of those, most (around 8,500) are murders. Yet again though, most of these murders tend to be criminal A killing criminal B. I doubt these criminals are going to give up their guns. This brings us to accidental or undetermined. Yet again, people die in all sorts of accidents (guns are no where close to being the leading cause of accidental deaths). Interesting thing though is that I've lived in the US for most of my life and have never been a witness to a gun crime or a gun accident. Why is it that you tell fibs and outlandish tales that have no bearing in reality? It's almost as if you could care less about the truth vs arguing though emotion. Why are you so scared of a gun and those who own them?

Of course, the flaw in your entire argument is in assuming that German gun control laws are responsible for the drops in gun crime vs factors that have little to do with gun laws. The US has laxed laws on gun control over the past decade, but also has enjoyed the same drop in total gun crimes as most of the rest of the west has enjoyed. More guns, but yet, less crime. Likewise, other countries have strict gun control laws, but it hasn't helped them out at all (look up the gun laws in Mexico or Brazil for examples of that). Clearly, there's more at work here than simply a countries gun control laws. Factors, which gun control advocates, like to ignore. If you dispute this, do you have any evidence to conclude that gun control laws are responsible for the drop in crime in Germany? Correlation does not imply causation, so do you have any evidence to indicate gun control laws = less gun crime? Yes or no?

He once saw a picture of one on TV. He wet his pants and ran to his safe space for a week. It's was quite a traumatizing event.

And lots of countries that have stricter gun control laws also have more violence than the US too, but you never hear gun control advocates mentioning that little fact because it would blow their delusion that gun control laws magically prevent gun crime. Gun control laws haven't helped Mexico or Brazil with the violence rampaging in their countries (even has violence, in the US, has fallen despite more guns being in civilian hands in decades). It's almost as if gun control laws are not based in reality, but in emotion and careful selection of what facts to pay attention to and what ones to ignore in their crusade. Typical Tazzy Wazzy...

the point is, no matter how much you regulate guns, you will not stop people from getting guns illegally and killing with them.


funny how liberals understand this concept when it comes to illegal drugs and want to legalize drugs, but not for guns.

Or look at Switzerland where nearly every household contains a firearm -- more likely than not a fully automatic one. A true assault rifle -- not a semi-automatic weapon that some ignorant reporter calls an assault rifle because it looks scary to them. Yet their gun violence rate is but a fraction of what it is in the U.S.

Anyone with even half a working brain can look at this and realize that this means it isn't the availability of firearms that are the problem.

Jedidiah: This is not about gun control, but about People Control.

But more gun control isn't necessarily always a bad thing, either.
The U.S. firearm homicide rate is 3.6 per 100,000 people, while in Germany it is 0.1 per 100,000 people. Source: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-u-s-...her-countries/

Mexico and Brazil have much less political stability than the U.S. or Germany, so it's not really a fair comparison. Obviously gun laws aren't the only thing impacting gun violence, so I'm not sure of the point of arguing with the rest of the post.

Restricting gun usage would probably have some impact, in the same way that drug laws probably prevent some drug use. As a similar historical example, people drank less during Prohibition. http://www.nber.org/papers/w3675.pdf

Feinstein: "Congress has been paralyzed by the gun lobby for years, while more and more Americans are killed in mass shootings. The carnage won’t stop until Congress finds the courage to stand up to the gun lobby and protect the nation."

Implying mass shootings will stop with new laws.

But trying to pretend as though gun control laws are the cure all for everything is dishonest. Countries, around the world, have different murder rates no matter what the individual gun control laws are. Countries have both stricter and looser gun control laws enjoy low murder rates too. Serbia has a huge gun ownership rate (37.8 per 100 citizens), but has a firearm murder rate of 0.4 per 100,000. Finland's is 45.3 with a murder rate of .45 per 100,000.The clear implication is that gun control laws play little part and the issue isn't in how a country has dealt with the issue with gun control, but in how stable a country is both socially and politically. If you have a country that is very socially and politically stable, the odds are you will enjoy low murder rates and how strict gun control laws are will play little part in how violence plays across a country.

It is a perfectly fair comparison because it shows that gun control is not linked to a countries violence and the factor that plays into violence is things like social and political stability. Despite the US gun laws becoming more lax, over the past 20 years, the US has also enjoyed the same drops in murder rates that the rest of the west has too. Which is yet more nails in the coffin that gun control = less murder and violence. Murder rates are at historical lows, in the states, despite increases in gun ownership and laxer gun control laws. Why does the US have a higher murder rate vs most of the rest of the west? I'd blame it on the drug war and the fact the US isn't as socially stable as other parts of the west are. Each country has unique factors that should be explored and the reality seems to show a simple trend. Gun control laws do not make us safer. The evidence simply doesn't show that conclusion is true at all.

And prohibition also lead to spikes in violence and murder too. It also helped criminal enterprises go from a bunch of thugs to basically businessmen that raked in hundreds of millions of dollars that we still haven't got rid of, despite alcohol prohibition being gone for generations now. The reality is that the US violence issue is directly linked to criminal elements killing one another over control of turf that it uses to sell drugs to druggies with. If you don't believe me just take some drives around a major city you live in or read the criminal reports for major cities across the US. It isn't people working 9-5 jobs that are out killing each other, in large numbers.