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    Obama Commutes Bulk of Chelsea Manning’s Sentence

    Source: NYTimes

    WASHINGTON — President Obama on Tuesday largely commuted the remaining prison sentence of Chelsea Manning, the army intelligence analyst convicted of an enormous 2010 leak that revealed American military and diplomatic activities across the world, disrupted the administration, and made WikiLeaks, the recipient of those disclosures, famous.

    The decision by Mr. Obama rescued Ms. Manning, who twice tried to commit suicide last year, from an uncertain future as a transgender woman incarcerated at the male military prison at Fort Leavenworth, Kan. She has been jailed for nearly seven years, and her 35-year sentence was by far the longest punishment ever imposed in the United States for a leak conviction.

    Now, under the terms of Mr. Obama’s commutation announced by the White House on Tuesday, Ms. Manning is set to be freed on May 17 of this year, rather than in 2045.

    The commutation also relieved the Department of Defense of the difficult responsibility of her incarceration as she pushes for treatment for her gender dysphoria — including sex reassignment surgery — that the military has no experience providing.

    In recent days, the White House had signaled that Mr. Obama was seriously considering granting Ms. Manning’s commutation application, in contrast to a pardon application submitted on behalf of the other large-scale leaker of the era, Edward J. Snowden, the former intelligence contractor who disclosed archives of top secret surveillance files and is living as a fugitive in Russia.

    Asked about the two clemency applications on Friday, the White House spokesman, Joshua Earnest, discussed the “pretty stark difference” between Ms. Manning’s case for mercy with Mr. Snowden’s. While their offenses were similar, he said, there were “some important differences.”

    “Chelsea Manning is somebody who went through the military criminal justice process, was exposed to due process, was found guilty, was sentenced for her crimes, and she acknowledged wrongdoing,” he said. “Mr. Snowden fled into the arms of an adversary, and has sought refuge in a country that most recently made a concerted effort to undermine confidence in our democracy.”

    He also noted that while the documents Ms. Manning provided to WikiLeaks were “damaging to national security,” the ones Mr. Snowden disclosed were “far more serious and far more dangerous.” (None of the documents Ms. Manning disclosed were classified above the merely “secret” level.)

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    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Amazing, eh?
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        While this is great to hear, it doesn't really absolve Obama of his administrations crimes of prosecuting whistleblowers vastly more harshly than has ever been done in US history. It is his fault that Manning was imprisoned and tortured in the first place rather than praised as a hero for whistleblowing on severe wrong-doing within the US military.
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        • #5
          Nice... I suppose Charles Manson is next on Barry's short list?
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          • #6
            I was hoping for this...

            Batistafiringsquad.jpg
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            • #7
              I would have been satisfied with twenty years. Seven seems too short for the severity of the crime.
              Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.

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              • #8
                *facepalm*
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                • #9
                  Too bad it wasn't a complete pardon. Manning is a hero and will be remembered as such.

                  Now on to Edward Snowden.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by seer View Post
                    I was hoping for this...

                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]20473[/ATTACH]
                    Not even the military court was going to such a ridiculous extreme.

                    Considering what lies the military had been hiding which were blown open by Manning's and Snowden, both the massive extent of the CIA torture program, the lies about civilian casualties and failure in military operations, to Snowden blowing the lid off the NSA's vast attempts at making security holes in public systems, and using threats to gain encryption access (wrench decryption - threaten the sysadmin with a wrench until he hands over access), PRISM and public data monitoring, their attempts at building holes into security systems, even on the hardware level...

                    There's a lot of those leaders who are criminals both ethically and legally, and I would not want to be in their shoes the day they have to stand in front of God.

                    Edward Snowden is a hero. A whistle blower. The NSA had no rights to withhold the information it did, and Edward Snowden had already tried to go through the channels.

                    As for him fleeing the country being somehow bad. Consider the fact that the current leader of the CIA wants Snowden delivered by Russia, so they can 'kill him'.

                    The best part of the Snowden release is now we know precisely which encryption schemes the NSA can't break.

                    Now these are standard.
                    Last edited by Leonhard; 01-17-2017, 07:05 PM.

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                    • #11
                      Anyway I'm packing it in for the night. But I don't get the animosity people here have with Manning and Snowden. The hatred that people like seer have for them is ridiculous. The complete lack of acknowledgement of the attrocities of the CIA (with some here seeming to perfectly okay with them), to the NSA's overreach. People here speak constantly of 'small government', fewer laws, less anything of whatever it is you pay taxes to.

                      Except the military.

                      Whatever the military is doing, is apparently okay. It's a weird double think for me to watch. Small government, but ever bigger military. Government messes up something, or there's government corruption, well that's the worst thing ever and how there they, oh what is becoming of this surely the worst of all generations. If this was discovered by hacking, or leaks, well those people are heroes. It's on wikileaks you say? Well it's a good thing. Hacking is a grey area.

                      But if the military is shown to have publicly lied about what it was doing, misinforming the voters, covering up scandals, and engaging in completely unethical business. Then somehow that's perfectly fine, and how dare the hackers. They're traitors to their country, traitors to their comrades and lets have them hang for their crimes. Hacking is bad. How dare they. Why can't the CIA just off them like in the good old days.

                      It's really weird to look at.
                      Last edited by Leonhard; 01-17-2017, 07:19 PM.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Amazing, eh?
                        You once told me 'hacking is a grey area'. I guess you now think that these guys deserved a lot worse?

                        This is after you gobbling up reams of articles about the democrats dirty business. But apparently making the public aware of the CIA's and NSA's dirty business is the worst thing ever?

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                        • #13
                          people don't like snowden because he allegedly gave foreign spying info to the russians and/or chinese. if he did he is a traitor and should be punished accordingly. Snowden claims he didn't do that, neocons/intelligence agencies claim he did. Neither is trustworthy, snowden because of course he wouldn't admit it and neocons/libtards/intel are all proven liars. Ideally if Snowden believes he is innocent in the matter he should submit to an idependent commission would be established to investigate and decide his fate. if no evidence of his having given intel to foreign states is obtained, let him go. if not, fry him. Sadly, that's probably not a fight Trump's gonna want to pick considering how much stuff he has to get done already so the issue will remain unresolved for the forseeable future.
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                          • #14
                            Kinda ironic considering how the Democrats (including Obama) have been so upset with WikiLeaks the past few months. And in his/her case he/she was convicted of, along with a slew of other charges, aiding the enemy -- which is a capital offense.

                            But I guess, at least according to the Obama Administration, being that he/she is a transexual that means he/she was likely only prosecuted because of hateful bigotry.

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