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  • Changing My Views on Immigration

    My previous views on immigration were born out of sense of loyalty to Western Civilization.
    I owe a huge debt to the artists, thinkers, and innovators of the past 2,000 years.
    To me it is obvious that this is a legacy worth preserving - a legacy far superior to anything developed in the east.

    At some point our civilization became proud.
    We became convinced that basic math, biology, and common sense just didn't apply to us anymore.
    The arrogance has now reached a point where we are openly inviting our enemies into our midst.

    I'd continue to fight this suicidal policy but the fight would only effect the 'when' and not the 'if'.
    Westerners simply aren't making babies anymore - we're just too damn smart for that sort of thing.
    Raising kids, building families, growing old is so passé, so provincial, so old fashioned.

    Here are our choices:
    1: Fight off the influx of medieval peasants so that liberalism can continue to work towards the extinction of humanity.
    2: Allow the influx of medieval peasants to eventually establish a caliphate, Islamic law, and the extinction of liberalism.

    Given that liberals have proven they cannot run a Rotary Club, much less a nation, I think I'm left hoping for a caliphate because those have been known to exist for centuries and society needs something, anything, to organize itself. I say if we're going to completely surrender our senses that Islam is far superior to liberalism. I'm not happy with that arrangement but given the choice between suicide and a government that actually believes something I'll pick the people with some sort of moral compass every time.
    Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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    You may be on to something. Under Islam, as long as you pay your dhimmi tax, you're mostly left alone. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to demand that you affirm everything they stand for.
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    • #3
      I almost agree with you, but when you look at what that society looks like in its native lands, I don't think it would be any better. The fighting, killing and attrocities that go on in the Islamic countries is no better than the destruction that the liberals have been bringing on our western lands. They are two sides to the same coin: Chaos.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        You may be on to something. Under Islam, as long as you pay your dhimmi tax, you're mostly left alone. Liberals, on the other hand, tend to demand that you affirm everything they stand for.
        Ask the Christians in Iraq how that worked out for them.

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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        • #5
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Ask the Christians in Iraq how that worked out for them.
          Well, the key is mostly. It's only since GW II that they've had problems; they've been living there under Islam for what, 1300 years or so?
          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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          • #6
            I've not heard a Muslim claim that Jesus Christ never existed.
            Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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            • #7
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Well, the key is mostly. It's only since GW II that they've had problems; they've been living there under Islam for what, 1300 years or so?
              Actually it started en masse in the 1930s. How about the long standing Jewish communities on the Arabian peninsula then?
              Last edited by rogue06; 02-09-2017, 11:06 AM.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Well, the key is mostly. It's only since GW II that they've had problems; they've been living there under Islam for what, 1300 years or so?
                Given that a lot of the middle east used to be entirely Christian, not well at all.
                "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
                  Here are our choices:
                  1: Fight off the influx of medieval peasants so that liberalism can continue to work towards the extinction of humanity.
                  2: Allow the influx of medieval peasants to eventually establish a caliphate, Islamic law, and the extinction of liberalism.
                  Eh, there are other choices. Not legal ones, but there are other choices. Inviting one crippled malignant post-civilization to deal with an existing civilization destroyer sounds counter-productive to me. Just about anything would get better results, including driving a fertilizer truck bomb into the CNN basement.

                  Also, a lot of muslim countries have their own childbirth problems. The ones who don't tend to be on the extreme end (IE: salafists, taliban). Not even "moderate" guys like Hezbollah with whom you can deal with.
                  "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                  There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Meh Gerbil View Post
                    I've not heard a Muslim claim that Jesus Christ never existed.
                    Jesus is a religious figure in Islam. And judging by the average church (even conservative ones) in the West, he increasingly seems to be co-opted as a religious figure by the progressive cult as well. The New Atheists like Richard Carrier are mostly persona non grata among progressives. Harris or Dawkins are only slightly less likely to be thrown in prison for hate speech than you are.
                    "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                    There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                      Actually it started en masse in the 1930s. How about the long standing Jewish communities on the Arabian peninsula then?
                      Mostly retaliation for the creation of the State of Israel, AFAICT.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                      Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                        Given that a lot of the middle east used to be entirely Christian, not well at all.
                        Given that Europe used to be entirely Christian, it's not as if the alternative seems to be any better.
                        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                        Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                        I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Given that Europe used to be entirely Christian, it's not as if the alternative seems to be any better.
                          Liberalism will cease being a problem almost overnight if Christians get over their self-inflicted quasi-pacifism. And judging by recent events liberals have been getting more and more bold about using violence, so they just might end up undoing themselves. It's not like Islam has some magic sauce for dealing with progressive social reforms. They just bomb, shoot, shank or behead the reformers.
                          "As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12

                          There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                            Eh, there are other choices. Not legal ones, but there are other choices. Inviting one crippled malignant post-civilization to deal with an existing civilization destroyer sounds counter-productive to me. Just about anything would get better results, including driving a fertilizer truck bomb into the CNN basement.

                            Also, a lot of muslim countries have their own childbirth problems. The ones who don't tend to be on the extreme end (IE: salafists, taliban). Not even "moderate" guys like Hezbollah with whom you can deal with.
                            It is purely a survival option.

                            Liberals do well to have a civilization last a couple of dozen years.
                            Muslims can keep it together for a couple of hundred years.

                            Our best survival tactic is probably Latin American Catholics.
                            Maybe they can take over while white people go play with cell phones instead of making babies.
                            Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Darth Executor View Post
                              Liberalism will cease being a problem almost overnight if Christians get over their self-inflicted quasi-pacifism. And judging by recent events liberals have been getting more and more bold about using violence, so they just might end up undoing themselves. It's not like Islam has some magic sauce for dealing with progressive social reforms. They just bomb, shoot, shank or behead the reformers.
                              The problem is that the liberal professors will simply turn around and raise another generation of lunk-heads.
                              Actually YOU put Trump in the White House. He wouldn't have gotten 1% of the vote if it wasn't for the widespread spiritual and cultural devastation caused by progressive policies. There's no "this country" left with your immigration policies, your "allies" are worthless and even more suicidal than you are and democracy is a sick joke that I hope nobody ever thinks about repeating when the current order collapses. - Darth_Executor striking a conciliatory note in Civics 101

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