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  • #2
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    It’s the role of the Media to act as watchdog to protect public interest against demagoguery, lying presidents, malpractice and create public awareness by balanced reporting and investigative journalism. If not for the media Nixon would have remained in power and Trump needs to be subject to the same scrutiny for the same reasons...as do all those in positions o power.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      It’s the role of the Media to act as watchdog to protect public interest against demagoguery, lying presidents, malpractice and create public awareness by balanced reporting and investigative journalism. If not for the media Nixon would have remained in power and Trump needs to be subject to the same scrutiny for the same reasons...as do all those in positions o power.
      So, what do you suggest for a media that has totally failed in the objectives in the role you have designated for them? They have been simply promoting detrimental unconstitutional activity in the US Government. They've been asleep since Nixon, and with Nixon maybe they woke up, still dreary eyed, before going back to sleep.

      The media envisioned by the founding fathers was where a variety of private view points would be espoused -- and that these viewpoints would reveal problems in the government. What we have ended up with is the large corporate media who is sponsored (and owned) by large corporations who seek their own agendas in the government. The media has begged to attend the Whitehouse press briefings and has printed WH PR without comment in previous administrations. Large unconstitutional power grabs (like Obamacare) have gone on unscathed by the keen eyes of modern media.

      Again I ask, what role do you envision now for the media?

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      • #4
        Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
        So, what do you suggest for a media that has totally failed in the objectives in the role you have designated for them? They have been simply promoting detrimental unconstitutional activity in the US Government. They've been asleep since Nixon, and with Nixon maybe they woke up, still dreary eyed, before going back to sleep.

        The media envisioned by the founding fathers was where a variety of private view points would be espoused -- and that these viewpoints would reveal problems in the government. What we have ended up with is the large corporate media who is sponsored (and owned) by large corporations who seek their own agendas in the government. The media has begged to attend the Whitehouse press briefings and has printed WH PR without comment in previous administrations. Large unconstitutional power grabs (like Obamacare) have gone on unscathed by the keen eyes of modern media.

        Again I ask, what role do you envision now for the media?
        I disagree with your assessment. It is not the media which has been lying continuously to the public and not supplying its sources, it’s Trump.

        http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

        And when you get reputable news organs such as the BBC, CNN and the NY Times excluded from WH press conferences it’s clear that Trump doesn’t like being called to account. But that’s the role of media whether Trump likes it or not. The alternative is authoritative government or dictatorship...which is certainly not what the founding fathers had in mind.
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • #5
          I'm in favor of a media who holds the US Government to the the constitution which delegates powers to the government. Our government has already been abusive and claiming authority it doesn't have. I'm hoping that Trump can disrupt that without himself becoming abusive -- it seems unlikely that he will be able to grab so much power as to become a dictator. There will not be full support toward that by Congress, the courts or the states.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
            It’s the role of the Media to act as watchdog to protect public interest against demagoguery, lying presidents, malpractice and create public awareness by balanced reporting and investigative journalism. If not for the media Nixon would have remained in power and Trump needs to be subject to the same scrutiny for the same reasons...as do all those in positions o power.
            That isn't what she said. It's the press' job to control what people think: "[Trump] could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that is our job." Not inform but control.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
              It’s the role of the Media to act as watchdog to protect public interest against demagoguery, lying presidents, malpractice and create public awareness by balanced reporting and investigative journalism. If not for the media Nixon would have remained in power and Trump needs to be subject to the same scrutiny for the same reasons...as do all those in positions o power.
              It's ironic, then, that the liberal media is guilty of demagoguery, lying, and other forms of journalistic malpractice. "Who watches the watchmen?"
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God


              From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                That isn't what she said. It's the press' job to control what people think: "[Trump] could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that is our job." Not inform but control.
                It was the controlling of facts, which was the context. I think the lady was referring to the media's job as being the correction of facts when they are incorrect...which is frequently with Trump. It is not up to anybody to "control what people think", that's '1984' territory, but the facts must be presented and that's the role of media.
                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
                  I'm in favor of a media who holds the US Government to the the constitution which delegates powers to the government. Our government has already been abusive and claiming authority it doesn't have. I'm hoping that Trump can disrupt that without himself becoming abusive -- it seems unlikely that he will be able to grab so much power as to become a dictator. There will not be full support toward that by Congress, the courts or the states.
                  It’s the role of the Judiciary to "hold the US Government to the constitution", not the media. The media’s role is to report the facts and it is the public's right to be informed. It is NOT the role of the Executive to control the flow of information to his own advantage as Trump is attempting to do.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    . . And when you get reputable news organs such as the BBC, CNN and the NY . .
                    CNN is reputable?

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Freudian Slip?

                      The media has been increasingly noticably engaged in that little game since the 1970s (as the earliest that I recall noticing the fact) - people older than I possibly noticed it sooner.
                      Last edited by tabibito; 02-26-2017, 07:42 AM.
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                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                      • #12
                        So basicly
                        Ahem
                        GOOOOOD MORNING MINDLEHS DROOOONES.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          It’s the role of the Judiciary to "hold the US Government to the constitution", not the media. The media’s role is to report the facts and it is the public's right to be informed. It is NOT the role of the Executive to control the flow of information to his own advantage as Trump is attempting to do.
                          What happens when the judiciary system fails to do its job?

                          And the media has failed to report needed information before Trump. Are you now attributing all previous failure of the media to Trump? What information has Trump stopped the media from finding?

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                            And when you get reputable news organs such as the BBC, CNN and the NY Times excluded from WH press conferences it’s clear that Trump doesn’t like being called to account.
                            Obama regularly shunned conservative news organizations. Where were your howls of outrage then?
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              It was the controlling of facts, which was the context. I think the lady was referring to the media's job as being the correction of facts when they are incorrect...which is frequently with Trump. It is not up to anybody to "control what people think", that's '1984' territory, but the facts must be presented and that's the role of media.
                              I'll let you play mind reader and just stick with what she said: [Trump] could have undermined the messaging so much that he can actually control exactly what people think. And that is our job."

                              It hearkens back to when New York Times columnist Paul Krugman grumbled about the 2002 mid-term elections in a November 8, 2002 op-ed that, "Talk radio and Fox News let the hard right gets its message out to its supporters." Excuse me. Let? “Let” the message get out? Never mind the fact that anything to the right of Marx is viewed by the MSM as the "hard right," it appears that to Krugman and his ilk that the purpose of the news is to screen the public from exposure to conservative opinion. The media is to act as a filter that allows only liberal-approved Politically Correct information to be passed on to the unwashed masses out in fly-over country.

                              You know, to control what people think.

                              Similarly, on the direct-to-video documentary "Outfoxed" (a supposed exposé of Fox News which even the moderate Chicago Tribune described as "neither fair, balanced nor especially effective") released in the summer of 2004, John Nichols of The Nation, worried that Fox News Channel "limits" and "narrows political discourse" by presenting conservative viewpoints. Needless to say Nichols doesn't bother to explain how decades of liberal TV news unanimity represented political diversity, and a conservative alternative somehow marks a narrowing in the spectrum of opinion.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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