Texas is facing the issue they in reality cannot solve, . . . unless there is a paradigm shift in accepting transgenders the gender of their physiology, and reject the Puritan Victorian view of gender.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostTexas is facing the issue they in reality cannot solve, . . . unless there is a paradigm shift in accepting transgenders the gender of their physiology, and reject the Puritan Victorian view of gender.
http://bahai-library.com/compilation_homosexuality_bwcLast edited by seer; 02-27-2017, 02:20 PM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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Originally posted by seer View PostThere is no issue, just have biological boys wrestle biological boys, the same with girls. And what is wrong with the Puritan Victorian view of gender? I mean your faith does not accept homosexual behavior - is that too a Puritan Victorian view?
http://bahai-library.com/compilation_homosexuality_bwcBlog: Atheism and the City
If your whole worldview rests on a particular claim being true, you damn well better have evidence for it. You should have tons of evidence.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostI think shunyadragon said Ba-bye to Bahai.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostThere is no issue, just have biological boys wrestle biological boys, the same with girls. And what is wrong with the Puritan Victorian view of gender? I mean your faith does not accept homosexual behavior - is that too a Puritan Victorian view?
http://bahai-library.com/compilation_homosexuality_bwc"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostThe problem occurs in this instance because the "boy" in question is a biological girl, but is receiving hormones (i.e. testosterone) that increases his strength and muscle mass giving "him" an unfair advantage over the non-transitioning girls that "he" is wrestling against. Of course the other girls (mostly their parents) are protesting that it's an unfair advantage (which it is) for someone on male hormones to be allowed to compete against girls.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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This is one of the places where I feel transgender rights issues become extremely difficult.
In general, advocates of transgender rights (myself included) like to note the distinction between biological sex and cultural gender roles. It is argued that one can perfectly recognize one's biology while still identifying with the particular cultural gender role of one's choice.
However, the division of sports is not a matter of cultural gender. It's a matter of biology. There are biochemical and morphological differences between biological males and females which make it appropriate to split competitions along these lines.
In general, I think that biological males should compete in Boys'/Men's divisions, while biological females compete in Girl's/Women's divisions. However, the question of testosterone treatments is a very important one.
In many-- if not most-- competitive sports, testosterone is treated as a regulated substance. My experience is particularly in Mixed Martial Arts, where quite a number of fighters-- including teammates and friends of mine-- have been put under a great bit of scrutiny for excessive testosterone levels. This is a well known issue in both Men's and Women's divisions, and even people who have legitimate medical reasons for high test are often pegged by the USADA or other anti-doping regulators. While I certainly feel compassion for someone like Beggs, the fact of the matter is that testosterone is most certainly a performance enhancer. I absolutely agree with the one father mentioned in the article who objected to Beggs' competing on that basis."[Mathematics] is the revealer of every genuine truth, for it knows every hidden secret, and bears the key to every subtlety of letters; whoever, then, has the effrontery to pursue physics while neglecting mathematics should know from the start he will never make his entry through the portals of wisdom."
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostIn many-- if not most-- competitive sports, testosterone is treated as a regulated substance. My experience is particularly in Mixed Martial Arts, where quite a number of fighters-- including teammates and friends of mine-- have been put under a great bit of scrutiny for excessive testosterone levels. This is a well known issue in both Men's and Women's divisions, and even people who have legitimate medical reasons for high test are often pegged by the USADA or other anti-doping regulators. While I certainly feel compassion for someone like Beggs, the fact of the matter is that testosterone is most certainly a performance enhancer. I absolutely agree with the one father mentioned in the article who objected to Beggs' competing on that basis.
The medical exemption was turned down and he stopped the treatment immediately, but for one race his levels were slightly above normal (the treatment he was on does a slow build-up) and got whacked with a two year ban.Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
1 Corinthians 16:13
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Originally posted by Boxing Pythagoras View PostThis is one of the places where I feel transgender rights issues become extremely difficult.
In general, advocates of transgender rights (myself included) like to note the distinction between biological sex and cultural gender roles. It is argued that one can perfectly recognize one's biology while still identifying with the particular cultural gender role of one's choice.
However, the division of sports is not a matter of cultural gender. It's a matter of biology. There are biochemical and morphological differences between biological males and females which make it appropriate to split competitions along these lines.
In general, I think that biological males should compete in Boys'/Men's divisions, while biological females compete in Girl's/Women's divisions. However, the question of testosterone treatments is a very important one.
In many-- if not most-- competitive sports, testosterone is treated as a regulated substance. My experience is particularly in Mixed Martial Arts, where quite a number of fighters-- including teammates and friends of mine-- have been put under a great bit of scrutiny for excessive testosterone levels. This is a well known issue in both Men's and Women's divisions, and even people who have legitimate medical reasons for high test are often pegged by the USADA or other anti-doping regulators. While I certainly feel compassion for someone like Beggs, the fact of the matter is that testosterone is most certainly a performance enhancer. I absolutely agree with the one father mentioned in the article who objected to Beggs' competing on that basis.
If so, then I agree with you. Because as you say, (like it or not) Testosterone is a performance enhancer.
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"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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There's nothing difficult about it, just bar them from competing. Problem solved."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
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Originally posted by seer View PostThere is no issue, just have biological boys wrestle biological boys, the same with girls. And what is wrong with the Puritan Victorian view of gender? I mean your faith does not accept homosexual behavior - is that too a Puritan Victorian view?
http://bahai-library.com/compilation_homosexuality_bwc
Also the Transgender issue is absolutely not an issue in the spiritual laws of the Baha'i Faith concerning homosexuality, and in reality not the subject of this thread.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-27-2017, 04:57 PM.
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Originally posted by The Thinker View PostI think shunyadragon said Ba-bye to Bahai.
The Baha'i view is a spiritual law forbidding homosexual acts ONLY. Letters from the Universal House of Justice are clear and specific. The Baha'i Faith does not advocate laws discriminating against homosexuals nor Transgenders in the secular world.
Also the Transgender issue is absolutely not an issue in the spiritual laws of the Baha'i Faith concerning homosexuality, and in reality not the subject of this thread.Last edited by shunyadragon; 02-27-2017, 04:59 PM.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThere's nothing difficult about it, just bar them from competing. Problem solved.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostThe problem occurs in this instance because the "boy" in question is a biological girl, but is receiving hormones (i.e. testosterone) that increases his strength and muscle mass giving "him" an unfair advantage over the non-transitioning girls that "he" is wrestling against. Of course the other girls (mostly their parents) are protesting that it's an unfair advantage (which it is) for someone on male hormones to be allowed to compete against girls.
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