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    I haven't thrown a grenade in a while.

    This thread is inspired by my observation that atheists seem to be overwhelmingly--or at the very least, majority--left-leaning. Obviously there are counterexamples, but the phenomenon seems pretty well-supported to me.

    Why is this?

    Note: if your answer is some variation of "because we're smart and you're stupid," then please don't bother posting. Heard that before, thanks.

    Would anyone disagree with this observation (I'd find this hard to understand, but maybe)? If I'm not grossly mis-perceiving something, why is this? Coincidence? Something else?

    Just spit-balling here...is it possible that atheists are still a small enough minority that the sample size is too small for any conclusion to be drawn? A fluke, in other words?
    I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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    Beats me.

    Why are US Christians so right wing?

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
      I haven't thrown a grenade in a while.

      This thread is inspired by my observation that atheists seem to be overwhelmingly--or at the very least, majority--left-leaning. Obviously there are counterexamples, but the phenomenon seems pretty well-supported to me.

      Why is this?

      Note: if your answer is some variation of "because we're smart and you're stupid," then please don't bother posting. Heard that before, thanks.

      Would anyone disagree with this observation (I'd find this hard to understand, but maybe)? If I'm not grossly mis-perceiving something, why is this? Coincidence? Something else?

      Just spit-balling here...is it possible that atheists are still a small enough minority that the sample size is too small for any conclusion to be drawn? A fluke, in other words?
      Funny, my old doctor was a rabid atheist and right winger. We had some great conversations over the years.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
        Beats me.

        Why are US Christians so right wing?
        Because Jesus was not a leftist...
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #5
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Because Jesus was not a leftist...
          What our Lord said is challenging to either party. I've yet to find any political party that will completely at east with everything that he said. Both sides have their favorite quotes.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
            What our Lord said is challenging to either party. I've yet to find any political party that will completely at east with everything that he said. Both sides have their favorite quotes.
            Well, no they don't. There is nothing in my belief system that counters the teaching of Christ, with the left there is. Things like abortion and homosexuality.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
              I haven't thrown a grenade in a while.

              This thread is inspired by my observation that atheists seem to be overwhelmingly--or at the very least, majority--left-leaning. Obviously there are counterexamples, but the phenomenon seems pretty well-supported to me.

              Why is this?

              Note: if your answer is some variation of "because we're smart and you're stupid," then please don't bother posting. Heard that before, thanks.

              Would anyone disagree with this observation (I'd find this hard to understand, but maybe)? If I'm not grossly mis-perceiving something, why is this? Coincidence? Something else?

              Just spit-balling here...is it possible that atheists are still a small enough minority that the sample size is too small for any conclusion to be drawn? A fluke, in other words?
              Start from how atheists are defiant rebels, against God Almighty. Not just like how we all sin, but shake-fist-against-sky kind of defiance, trying to deny existence of God.

              Then what are progs? Rebels against natural order, against marriage, against binariness of sex, against goodness of life, against family, against authority.
              Remember that you are dust and to dust you shall return.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by seer View Post
                Well, no they don't. There is nothing in my belief system that counters the teaching of Christ,
                You're you seer, a single member of a group called "Conservatives". I am a single member of a group called "Liberals". Neither group fully represent us. Maybe you're able to integrate all the messages Christ has about charity, giving, about helping the poor and compassion for them.

                I am not impressed by how conservative people tend to view poor people. And the few words we hear in evangelical sermons about greed, and the outright dangers of wealth spiritually. On the contrary wealth is seen as a sign of spiritual maturity in a lot of evangelical circles. There's a lot of talk about how you acquire wealth by planting the seed, etc... However ask the Church Fathers and they were dubious whether any rich person could ever be a saint. You can't serve two masters after all, its mammon or God.

                Personally I do believe its possible to be a conservative and a Christian. Just as I, obviously, believe its possible to be a "liberal" (though that word is a bit like taffy around here) and a Christian.

                I also believe its possible to be wealthy and a Christian.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
                  I haven't thrown a grenade in a while.

                  This thread is inspired by my observation that atheists seem to be overwhelmingly--or at the very least, majority--left-leaning. Obviously there are counterexamples, but the phenomenon seems pretty well-supported to me.

                  Why is this?

                  Note: if your answer is some variation of "because we're smart and you're stupid," then please don't bother posting. Heard that before, thanks.

                  Would anyone disagree with this observation (I'd find this hard to understand, but maybe)? If I'm not grossly mis-perceiving something, why is this? Coincidence? Something else?

                  Just spit-balling here...is it possible that atheists are still a small enough minority that the sample size is too small for any conclusion to be drawn? A fluke, in other words?
                  I think (at least on social issues) it's because in the absence of Christ many of them hang their hat on secular humanism which in a lot of ways is essentially Christianity without Christ. Basically in the sense that they want the radical love, freedom, and equality that Christ preached, but out of control and misdirected. The things they want are very often wanted with good intentions, but are potentially harmful when ignorant of the spiritual dimension behind the physical. Most of my liberal friends have some of the biggest hearts for people of anyone I know, but in my opinion often miss the forest for the trees in their passionate drive for others.

                  And a lot of issues are down to taking sides. Once you've decided that you're on this side of the barrier because you won't budge on issue Y, then when issue X comes along, and a few on this side have taken it up, it's easier to go with the flow than it is to check yourself and see if it's really an issue that's important to you. It helps that each side has their cheerleaders and demonizers so you know exactly why you're for X and why you're not.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                    Beats me.

                    Why are US Christians so right wing?
                    Because the values we hold as Christians are basically defined as "conservative values" - basically right wing conservative values are the same as most Christian values.

                    Sanctity of Life, Freedom of Speech, Traditional Marriage, Family, etc.

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                    • #11
                      I think you should modify your theory to be "Internet Atheists" - or "the New Atheists" are overwhelmingly left leaning. They are not your traditional atheist. more of a fundy/militant Atheist who like to go on the offensive and attack Christianity. Usually on forum boards like this. So the reason most (not all) of the atheist on tweb are left is because they are those New Atheist types. We have had a few conservative atheists. And in real life I think I know a pretty good mix of left and right atheists.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                        You're you seer, a single member of a group called "Conservatives". I am a single member of a group called "Liberals". Neither group fully represent us. Maybe you're able to integrate all the messages Christ has about charity, giving, about helping the poor and compassion for them.

                        I am not impressed by how conservative people tend to view poor people. And the few words we hear in evangelical sermons about greed, and the outright dangers of wealth spiritually. On the contrary wealth is seen as a sign of spiritual maturity in a lot of evangelical circles. There's a lot of talk about how you acquire wealth by planting the seed, etc... However ask the Church Fathers and they were dubious whether any rich person could ever be a saint. You can't serve two masters after all, its mammon or God.

                        Personally I do believe its possible to be a conservative and a Christian. Just as I, obviously, believe its possible to be a "liberal" (though that word is a bit like taffy around here) and a Christian.

                        I also believe its possible to be wealthy and a Christian.
                        You've been coming down on Protestant Evangelicals pretty hard lately. As I mentioned in another thread Christian Evangelism isn't a Political Party. I mean, if you want to talk about acquiring wealth, we could always look at 1700 years of the Catholic Church acquiring vast wealth, building ridiculously large and luxurious cathedrals, covering everything in gold, and glitz, the Vatican possessing millions and millions of dollars in assets. Who knows how much of their wealth could be melted down and given to the poor. Greed isn't just an Evangelical problem, unfortunately it's much broader than that.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          I think you should modify your theory to be "Internet Atheists" - or "the New Atheists" are overwhelmingly left leaning. They are not your traditional atheist. more of a fundy/militant Atheist who like to go on the offensive and attack Christianity. Usually on forum boards like this. So the reason most (not all) of the atheist on tweb are left is because they are those New Atheist types. We have had a few conservative atheists. And in real life I think I know a pretty good mix of left and right atheists.
                          Anecdotally, that's not been my experience. To a man, every single one of my many atheist friends are liberal, or even far far left (anarcho communist types).

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            I think you should modify your theory to be "Internet Atheists" - or "the New Atheists" are overwhelmingly left leaning. They are not your traditional atheist. more of a fundy/militant Atheist who like to go on the offensive and attack Christianity. Usually on forum boards like this. So the reason most (not all) of the atheist on tweb are left is because they are those New Atheist types. We have had a few conservative atheists. And in real life I think I know a pretty good mix of left and right atheists.
                            It could very well be a perception thing on my part: goodness knows I'm a weirdo with a weird perception of pretty much everything.
                            I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Leonhard View Post
                              Beats me.

                              Why are US Christians so right wing?
                              Ecclesiastes 10:2 The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.



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