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    I'm not sure if I'm permitted to post here, being atheist and all. I noted the Theism 101 was for theists only, but I didn't see the same limitation here. Here seemed more appropriate than Apologetics, but if this thread needs to be moved, please do so.

    Some of you know my wife is Christian (by some definitions), and I am not. She just sent me this link, which had me chuckling a bit. Then I found myself wondering what people here would say about it. It's a video of a minister, and it's just the beginning of his sermon on the rapture. It would have been interesting to hear the rest of it.
    Last edited by carpedm9587; 03-21-2018, 09:10 AM.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    Yes, you may post here. It is intended for more irenic discussion than Apologetics.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Yes, you may post here. It is intended for more irenic discussion than Apologetics.
      Wow - back to my dictionary you forced me! Thanks! Irenic... cool...
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • #4
        The "Left Behind" series was a good bit of fiction, but as a Partial Preterist, I found it IMHO, nothing more than a decent story coupled with questionable theology. IIRC many in the Disciples Of Christ denomination are also Partial Preterists so...
        "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

        "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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        • #5
          Caleb J. Lines, senior pastor, University Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). You can see the entire 20 minute sermon here.

          Although I agree with him on that one point, I wouldn't bother, though. He seems more like your type of pastor.
          When I Survey....

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Faber View Post
            Caleb J. Lines, senior pastor, University Christian Church (Disciples of Christ). You can see the entire 20 minute sermon here.

            Although I agree with him on that one point, I wouldn't bother, though. He seems more like your type of pastor.
            An atheist has a "type of pastor?"
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
              The "Left Behind" series was a good bit of fiction, but as a Partial Preterist, I found it IMHO, nothing more than a decent story coupled with questionable theology. IIRC many in the Disciples Of Christ denomination are also Partial Preterists so...
              For the record, I'm a panmillenialist.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                For the record, I'm a panmillenialist.
                And that is...?
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                  And that is...?
                  I believe it will all pan out in the end.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    An atheist has a "type of pastor?"
                    He means they are a very liberal church. Seems odd that they would be talking about "bad theology"

                    As far as the end-times goes, there are various orthodox views. amillennialism, premillennialism, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, partial preterism.

                    The left behind is premillenial/pre-tribulation rapture. God will rapture out the good Christians, then there will be a 7 year tribulation, after which Christ returns and sets up his 1000 year kingdom.

                    I don't really know which to believe. I studied all of them at one time and they all have good points to them and rational reasons to believe they are the correct view.

                    The conclusion I came to is... It doesn't matter. Everyone of us will come face to face with Jesus when we die. Whether he comes back before a rapture or after one, all of the Christians who have died or are alive will meet him in the air when he returns.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      For the record, I'm a panmillenialist.
                      me too.


                      What do you teach in your church?

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        He means they are a very liberal church. Seems odd that they would be talking about "bad theology"

                        As far as the end-times goes, there are various orthodox views. amillennialism, premillennialism, pre-trib, mid-trib, post-trib, partial preterism.

                        The left behind is premillenial/pre-tribulation rapture. God will rapture out the good Christians, then there will be a 7 year tribulation, after which Christ returns and sets up his 1000 year kingdom.

                        I don't really know which to believe. I studied all of them at one time and they all have good points to them and rational reasons to believe they are the correct view.

                        The conclusion I came to is... It doesn't matter. Everyone of us will come face to face with Jesus when we die. Whether he comes back before a rapture or after one, all of the Christians who have died or are alive will meet him in the air when he returns.
                        Yeah, I used to be pretty solid premillennial/pretrib, but I know a lot of guys who have studied this way more than I have, who believe otherwise. I concluded that we can spend so much time focusing on the end times that we don't do justice to the current times. I'm ready when He calls me! So, my current position is --- I just try to stay ready!
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          me too.


                          What do you teach in your church?
                          Pretty much what I said in my previous post - and that our focus should be on the "occupy til I come" aspect.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            My Grandson, SpongeBob, called me just last night, worried to death about Project Blue Beam, worried to death he was going to die on April 8th (18th?)

                            His friends at work had been doing "research" into Blue Beam, which is pretty much a roundup of all past conspiracy theories combined, with a dose of Rapture included for the Christians, and mass alien abduction for everybody else.... It's quite a convolution.

                            We ended up talking about the rapture quite a bit, and I told him my plan was to stay faithful to Christ, and I'm ready to go whenever He says it's time!

                            But, seriously, SpongeBob and his friends were terrified about this - cause it's "all over the internet" and it's "really going to happen".
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Pretty much what I said in my previous post - and that our focus should be on the "occupy til I come" aspect.
                              amen. I think to argue about such things falls under

                              Titus 3:9
                              But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and arguments and quarrels about the law, because these are unprofitable and useless.

                              It might be interesting on a debate site like Theologyweb, but it is not useful for a Christian to worry about in his Christian life. All you need to know is that God has always taken care of his people when he brings judgment.

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